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SiangMalam
17-08-2011, 12:49 AM
As we all know. the 1PM has been surrounded by hardliners and hawks or what some people call the 'rightists'. But he has made two conciliatory moves over the last few days - one was to set up a Parliamentary Select Committee for Electoral Reforms and the other to review strict censorship of the media. Are these moves a sign he has shifted towards the middle or are they just temporary tactics to take the heat off him before the GE13? Read the debate here in The Malaysian Insider! (http://www.themalaysianinsider.com/malaysia/article/najibs-latest-moves-a-sign-of-returning-to-the-centre/)

Good Guy
17-08-2011, 11:06 AM
He is just doing a double talk and a triple twist. After that back to base. As far as the informed publc is concerned, he is what he is. :D

DarkNite
17-08-2011, 12:06 PM
And as far as me & my TT kakis are concerned, yup Good Guy quite aptly put "he is what he is".
Very susah for a leopard to change its spots. :D

Cakap tak serupa bikin.

cml
17-08-2011, 12:08 PM
He is doing all that to try to reverse the decline in his popularity. He has been only getting bad press for all the things that he did and did not do. The positive spins by the msm are turning out to be jokes that the people on the street does not appreciate nor care for. If he cannot see through or feel the sentiments of the rakyat but instead of having it told to him by his hangers on then he deserves to be isolated by all and sundry and he would indeed become the emperor with no clothes!!!

mykern
17-08-2011, 12:49 PM
Personally, he needs to win the Presidency through UMNO elections first before the GE13 .... then his hand will be firmer and less flip flop, conciliatory or not!~

Pai Khin Khao Khap!~

tupai
17-08-2011, 01:03 PM
i disagree.

najib is a spineless leader. He lacks the mettle of a leader, let alone that of an iron-fist big boss. If he really want to do the middle ground shift, correct all real or perceived inefficiency, corruption, racism, fanaticism that bog down this country, HE only need to wield the power he has in his hands.

Do it the style of apanama or even better like the lil red dot...

Govern, rule, prod, cajole, reward and punish with no fear of any other political warlords...assert that power. Get that done and other things (like expanded civil rights, greater freedom of expression etc) will eventually fall into place. The rakyak esp. those working their butts off for survival and prosperity, can and will appreciate such elusive statesmen.

Spineless 'leaders' aplenty. Most started on seemingly right footing, only to bend, buckle and surrender the ultimate power, to the dark evil hands of the racists, nationalists, corrupted warlords. :mad:

Mai pen rai!


Yang Amat Bossy ToonIstimewaUtama xlatotupai :cool:

CS Chua
17-08-2011, 01:23 PM
If you read today's Star, you will read that Nazri already said that the reformed election laws will be implemented AFTER the coming GE. I think by saying that he has just exposed the fallacy of having the parliamentary select committee. Najib is just pulling wool over the public's eyes. The rule in politics is survival. All BN is concerned about is surviving the coming GE. If this helps them to survive, why not? Hell, they will also promise to scrap the ISA and other draconian laws to win the GE. But after winning the GE, what they do is what counts most. And does anybody really think they will fulfill their promises? Maybe after all there is always a sucker born every minute, so they say.

USJ27Resident
17-08-2011, 01:57 PM
i disagree.

najib is a spineless leader. He lacks the mettle of a leader, let alone that of an iron-fist big boss. If he really want to do the middle ground shift, correct all real or perceived inefficiency, corruption, racism, fanaticism that bog down this country, HE only need to wield the power he has in his hands.

Do it the style of apanama or even better like the lil red dot...

Yang Amat Bossy ToonIstimewaUtama xlatotupai :cool:


Before he does that or anything else... he'll have to check with his wife first la... :p Silap silap, never check... he'd go to work wearing a blue black eye... oops, i meant, blue black tie.... :D

Rhiga
17-08-2011, 02:21 PM
Just look straight to his eyes, via picture, tv or eye contact..

My intuition tells me I can’t trust this guy…. period.

cml
17-08-2011, 04:14 PM
He has been flip flopping all over the place and expect people to buy his stories. Now they are going all over the country arranging for talks and seminars by the various gomen departments to 'inform' the rakyat how their lives would be transformed with all the kra/kpi/what have u's. All these are done with the rakyats money and it is being done in hotels under the guise of programs organised by the various ministries. I attended one recently and basically the whole hall stood up to greet the yb minister when she arrived but I just sat there . Why should i give her any respect when she does not respect the time and can you imagine even if she was 15 minutes but if you times that by the number of attendees which amounted to like 700, the amount of time wasted would be tremendous and they got a assistant director of a gomen department to start the ball rolling and she couldnt even speak proper English. Damn pai seh .

StonTemplePilot
17-08-2011, 04:52 PM
If you read today's Star, you will read that Nazri already said that the reformed election laws will be implemented AFTER the coming GE. I think by saying that he has just exposed the fallacy of having the parliamentary select committee. Najib is just pulling wool over the public's eyes. The rule in politics is survival. All BN is concerned about is surviving the coming GE. If this helps them to survive, why not? Hell, they will also promise to scrap the ISA and other draconian laws to win the GE. But after winning the GE, what they do is what counts most. And does anybody really think they will fulfill their promises? Maybe after all there is always a sucker born every minute, so they say.

U really believe that the PSC on election reforms will yield any results??

It is just talk only and nothing positive will ever come out of it..All form but no substance...the story of malaysia!!!! Wooohohoooo!!!!

SiangMalam
17-08-2011, 05:26 PM
Leslie Lau just Twitted a while ago that the gomen will be briefing foreign investors of the electoral reforms and I think its all just sandiwara lah... PAS just announced they found 14,000 voters in Penang registered who are "foreign-born" and PKR also announced today there are 3,500 voters in Sabah more than 100 years-old!

I guess the words of the 1PM "we will defend Putrajaya at all cost" has more meanings that just going into an election... :mad:

Rhiga
17-08-2011, 06:47 PM
I guess the words of the 1PM "we will defend Putrajaya at all cost" has more meanings that just going into an election... :mad:

This is the part I worry the most of the coming GE..... rakyat and PR practically can't do anything to stop them.... :mad: :mad:

CS Chua
17-08-2011, 07:06 PM
Actually we can. If enough of the masses vote, things can change. When the South Sudan voted for their independence, more than 90% voted. When you consider their situation like poor transportation, desert like environment, hostile enforcement personnel, militia, etc you got to admire them for their steadfastness and desire to have a say in their future. Likewise, the Malaysians must discard their apathetic attitude and take charge of their future through the ballot boxes. If we can get 95% turn out, the future is ours. And no amount of phantom voters can outnumber the voters.

BTW, I am predicting that PR will take 7 states. What about you?

mykern
17-08-2011, 07:37 PM
BTW, I am predicting that PR will take 7 states. What about you?

Hallelujah!~ Penang, Perak, Selangor, Negeri, Kelantan, ........ two more which ones, CS??
Kedah should go back to BN .... the rice bowl needs protection and developement... if Pahang can grow rice .... yahooooooo!~
(Hope the "eye" does not stop this thread!~) ...

Sabaidee .... khap!~

CS Chua
17-08-2011, 10:33 PM
Hallelujah!~ Penang, Perak, Selangor, Negeri, Kelantan, ........ two more which ones, CS??
Kedah should go back to BN .... the rice bowl needs protection and developement... if Pahang can grow rice .... yahooooooo!~
(Hope the "eye" does not stop this thread!~) ...

Sabaidee .... khap!~
phom kit wah Kedah, Sabah reu Terengganu. Dai mai?

USJ27Resident
18-08-2011, 12:41 AM
BTW, I am predicting that PR will take 7 states. What about you?

7 states?

Not when we still have IDIOTS out there that still believe in fairy tales and IDIOTS in PR ~ who thinks that the RAKYAT and PR owes them for being a part of PR ....

Fact is - there are A LOT of BN/UMNO "has-beens/rejects" in PKR that would (at the drop of the hat/right incentive/right blackmail!) jump back into BN or become a BN friendly toad... :rolleyes:

How many toads jumped since the last GE ? :rolleyes:

How many more will jump, in the next GE !!?? :mad:

cml
18-08-2011, 10:09 AM
The problem is in the distribution of voters which are skewed towards the bee end. Otherwise how can you account for a seat only for an area with 100k voters and a seat for an area with less than 10k voters. It would be easier for them to 'take care' of the 10k voters than the 100k voters. The rural voters still have a very feudalistic thinking, they worship the yb's queing up to shake their hands and they feel damn good about it after than and that feeling would last for a long time. Most of the time the ybs dont even look at them when they are shaking their hands. I once sat next to the porn star when he was still an exco in jb. He wasnt even a federal minister but yet the rural folks were queing up to shake his hands and the joy in their faces was genuine. I 'swear' , no kidding. I was asking my friends whats wrong with those fellas. Not that he did anything for them.

chookyan
18-08-2011, 11:01 AM
Look at the picture in this article - http://thestar.com.my/metro/story.asp?file=/2011/8/18/central/9300522&sec=central. Do we have this so called guy by the name of GAN as our Subang Jaya Assemblyman??????? :confused:

cml
18-08-2011, 11:04 AM
They wish.

CS Chua
18-08-2011, 12:05 PM
[QUOTE=cml]The problem is in the distribution of voters which are skewed towards the bee end. Otherwise how can you account for a seat only for an area with 100k voters and a seat for an area with less than 10k voters./QUOTE]
I think this can be a double-edged sword. What if these seats of 10K voters vote for PR? The Malay vote is divided now and there is nothing to say that these 10K voters will not vote for change. Many Malays are finding out that the alternative is not necessary bad.

mykern
18-08-2011, 12:08 PM
CSL called them lazy ... so they have to show they are not "lan duo"!~ 懒惰
:rolleyes:

mykern
18-08-2011, 12:39 PM
phom kit wah Kedah, Sabah reu Terengganu. Dai mai?

Mai Dai ... Mai dai!~ Tammai?

Rhiga
18-08-2011, 01:47 PM
Keep on dreaming...

I suppported them because I expect changes... if they still cannot manage people like the selangor hassan fella, if they still allow stalls to open indiscrimately every specific month in a year without even bother to think of the residents who live there, if they still deny others right to participate in tender worth less tha 200k, if they still think other religions can practice their faith in a shoplot/warehouse....etc, etc, etc.

Don't tell me that things won't change overnight... I have been patient since they were given the mandate... at least show some political willingness to address those "tough and sensitive issue".. :mad:

PR fellas, pls remenber you are given mandate because I expect and demand you are better than those be end fellas... and don't forget you need to earn it this time from me...

tupai
18-08-2011, 02:31 PM
gerry mandering is everywhere lah. Just hav to accept this western practice as part of the skewed democratic process. Cest la vie.

saga, for 51yrs many things aledy changed leow, many also arent changed or still in process of changing or hv completely forgotten the need to change...what do we expect from a motley crew from coalition of the unwillings in just <3years?

There is no instant in this world lah...Heck! even nestle instant maggie needs 3 minutes to cook! :p

I will just take a babystep by a babystep. I will start with adun and then mp of my area...heck, if i can i will also push for local election and elect the councillors (esp those living in, say, usj 4 & ss18 :p

The freedom to practise own faith is enshrined in the constitution...but no where did it state, a place of worship must be a majestic building on 5acres of land! Yes, the local itsybitsy but powerful lil' napoleons screwed up the approval/implementation, but tats anuther cerita lah!

In my view, Those who think Tian Gong/Jesus/Allah/Kwan Yin/Lord Buddha/Mighty nibokaniszer/Zeus/Hanuman/Siva need to have marble domes, jati flooring, diamond studded walls, big brass bells, loud speakers, humongous jossticks to be recognise as Almighty are silly, ignorant and blind to material things.
if you believe in your own God, u only need to pray sincerely anywhere and softly in your heart. He/She is God mah! and can surely hear & see ye...else, how to be such God Almighty?

Yang Amat Bersembayang Minnie Mouse TIU xlatotupai :cool:

StonTemplePilot
18-08-2011, 02:40 PM
7 states to PR?!! Ambitious...

I think BN will win the albeit with a smaller majority...PR would do well to win 90 seats and we have another 5 years of politicking again!!!!

tupai
18-08-2011, 02:48 PM
7 states to PR?!! Ambitious...

I think BN will win the albeit with a smaller majority...PR would do well to win 90 seats and we have another 5 years of politicking again!!!!

hv u gys diskauned Wilayah??? :confused:

ada chanc? :confused:

U know at the future coming GE ceramah, If given the opportunity, i will stand up and ask the Adun & MP this question:

" Are you prepared to swear to me or better yet, to all of us here who are spending precious time listening to you, that you PERSONALLY WILL not sell your soul, your name and Katak to the other party for money? Do you dare to swear on your family name?" :cool:

And if he/she did, its Ok. Their ancestors will surely curse 'em...unless of course they came from generations of thieves and conmen. Cest la vie. :cool:

Yes, i do take it that personal. My future & honorable generations are at stake in this bolehland.

Yang Ada Bersumpah TIU xlatotupai :cool:

CS Chua
18-08-2011, 03:01 PM
Keep on dreaming...

I suppported them because I expect changes... if they still cannot manage people like the selangor hassan fella, if they still allow stalls to open indiscrimately every specific month in a year without even bother to think of the residents who live there, if they still deny others right to participate in tender worth less tha 200k, if they still think other religions can practice their faith in a shoplot/warehouse....etc, etc, etc.

Don't tell me that things won't change overnight... I have been patient since they were given the mandate... at least show some political willingness to address those "tough and sensitive issue".. :mad:

PR fellas, pls remenber you are given mandate because I expect and demand you are better than those be end fellas... and don't forget you need to earn it this time from me...
This is politics. If you want to hire and fire whom you like, then choose capitalism over democracy. However, I have never seen technocrats running a country at every levels. Even though Manmohan Singh is a PM and a technocrat, he still has to work within the political India system, which is far more complex than ours. So, you may sack a person like that Hasan fella and any others but what are the consequences? All they have to do is to quit PR and move to the other side and cause the state government to collapse. In politics, it is not about what we want now but how we can achieve it without a high political cost. It is about long term goals vs. short term goals. And in the long term goals, there is no place for that Hassan fella. He belongs to the opposition and their outdated principles. Let PR run the show for another 2 terms before we pass judgement. That is my humble opinion.

Rhiga
18-08-2011, 03:03 PM
Tupai,

Yup, agreed and admire your wisdom and patience… :p

Sometimes, all this nonsenses just cause the body patience hormone to malfunction….

Still remember the hassan fella wanted to ban my favorite “western tea” to be sold from 24 hours store like7-11, 8-12, 9-13….!!! :mad:

Having said that, dap will always occupy a special place in my heart... :)

Rhiga
18-08-2011, 03:11 PM
This is politics. If you want to hire and fire whom you like, then choose capitalism over democracy. However, I have never seen technocrats running a country at every levels. Even though Manmohan Singh is a PM and a technocrat, he still has to work within the political India system, which is far more complex than ours. So, you may sack a person like that Hasan fella and any others but what are the consequences? All they have to do is to quit PR and move to the other side and cause the state government to collapse. In politics, it is not about what we want now but how we can achieve it without a high political cost. It is about long term goals vs. short term goals. And in the long term goals, there is no place for that Hassan fella. He belongs to the opposition and their outdated principles. Let PR run the show for another 2 terms before we pass judgement. That is my humble opinion.

Fully aware of this...

Cheers

CS Chua
18-08-2011, 03:33 PM
Fully aware of this...

Cheers
No worries, man. We are all in the same boat. We have may different opinions but we share the same goal, right? A better future for our children and grandchildren. Amen.

tupai
18-08-2011, 03:48 PM
Tupai,

Yup, agreed and admire your wisdom and patience… :p

Sometimes, all this nonsenses just cause the body patience hormone to malfunction….

Still remember the hassan fella wanted to ban my favorite “western tea” to be sold from 24 hours store like7-11, 8-12, 9-13….!!! :mad:

Having said that, dap will always occupy a special place in my heart... :)

HAHHAHAHH! wisdom & patience? :eek:
Whoa! By Jove! dont lah zap me liddat! I have NEVER been called this worst! :eek:

back in the ranch, as SiangMalam advised me umpteem x: there is more than 1way to skin the cat... and he got my full attenshen, he knows i luv pussies! :D and dont fret, just in case u donno ah, beer and single malt can balance the yin&yang of 1body too!

Yang Amat Berdahaga leow TIU xlatotupai :cool:

SiangMalam
18-08-2011, 05:56 PM
And now that San Miguel Corporation of the Phillipines has bought over the entire ExxonMobil downstream business in Bolehland, perhaps you can enjoy your "Drink & Drive" promotions, hic!, yeah San Miguel... Send Me Gal!

p.s. there you go, another big company has sold and pick up and go... donwan to let him open more stations, only Petronas can open, so he sells and cabut lah! :mad:

Rhiga
18-08-2011, 09:11 PM
And now that San Miguel Corporation of the Phillipines has bought over the entire ExxonMobil downstream business in Bolehland, perhaps you can enjoy your "Drink & Drive" promotions, hic!, yeah San Miguel... Send Me Gal!

p.s. there you go, another big company has sold and pick up and go... donwan to let him open more stations, only Petronas can open, so he sells and cabut lah! :mad:

Bro,

I digress a bit from the thread topic... :p

It has been a long time (more than 7 years, easily) that XOM wanted to divest their downstream assets ....

Petronas certainly interested to absorb their retail stations, but not interested to take their 30 years old refinery in PD..In downstream petroleum retail, over-capacity in refining is definitely a suicidal act..

BHPetrol [formerly BP, after BP PLC sold their entire downstream fuel retail business in SEA (Malaysia, Singapore & Vietnam)] also interested to acquire XOM and this is the reason behind the Esso share price up from less than rm3 Dec last year to more than rm5 around March this year.

BP exited from SEA with a clear objective in mind – BP always wants to be No. 1 or No.2 in the industry that they are in. If not, they will exit from the market.

I believe ExxonMobil think the same way too when they decided to divest XOM, but their operations is a lot more bigger and complicated than BP in this region and that’s why it took such a long time to meet the right buyer.

Seriously, downstream retail in Malaysia is just too small for big boy like Exxon after Petronas & Shell Trading take away more than 70% of the market share..


PS: Esso Malaysia price drop 90 cents in bursa today ..

isarahim
19-08-2011, 07:51 AM
7 states?
Not when we still have IDIOTS out there that still believe in fairy tales and IDIOTS in PR ~ who thinks that the RAKYAT and PR owes them for being a part of PR .... Fact is - there are A LOT of BN/UMNO "has-beens/rejects" in PKR that would (at the drop of the hat/right incentive/right blackmail!) jump back into BN or become a BN friendly toad...
I don't think this is much of an issue anymore. PKR expanded very fast after 838 and unfortunately a lot of rent-seekers slipped in through the open net. But most if not all of these are gone now.

Despite UMNO's badmouthing, the PKR internal election, in hindsight, has had a very positive effect in that only those who had really worked at grass-root level were identified, and the rent-seekers were filtered out.

Take note that after Gobala, PKR has become very stable. I think the quality of PKR's new young leaders is very high.

We should also remember that if PR wins federal, the whole game changes. Any surviving 'frogs' in PR will not have any incentive to jump. For bad or for good. We might prefer that they reveal themselves early.

TDZ thinks PR can capture 10 states.

fonzie
19-08-2011, 09:40 AM
I don't think this is much of an issue anymore. PKR expanded very fast after 838 and unfortunately a lot of rent-seekers slipped in through the open net. But most if not all of these are gone now.

Despite UMNO's badmouthing, the PKR internal election, in hindsight, has had a very positive effect in that only those who had really worked at grass-root level were identified, and the rent-seekers were filtered out.

Take note that after Gobala, PKR has become very stable. I think the quality of PKR's new young leaders is very high.

We should also remember that if PR wins federal, the whole game changes. Any surviving 'frogs' in PR will not have any incentive to jump. For bad or for good. We might prefer that they reveal themselves early.

TDZ thinks PR can capture 10 states.

Yes...my sentiments as well.....PKR does has great potential winnable AND workable candidates...! Time to bring back honesty, integrity and trust into politics in this 21st century. Throw out the race and religion cards..

Cheers!

StonTemplePilot
19-08-2011, 10:20 AM
I don't think this is much of an issue anymore. PKR expanded very fast after 838 and unfortunately a lot of rent-seekers slipped in through the open net. But most if not all of these are gone now.

Despite UMNO's badmouthing, the PKR internal election, in hindsight, has had a very positive effect in that only those who had really worked at grass-root level were identified, and the rent-seekers were filtered out.

Take note that after Gobala, PKR has become very stable. I think the quality of PKR's new young leaders is very high.

We should also remember that if PR wins federal, the whole game changes. Any surviving 'frogs' in PR will not have any incentive to jump. For bad or for good. We might prefer that they reveal themselves early.

TDZ thinks PR can capture 10 states.

PKR is still plagued with the UMNO mentality...so I wont hope too much from them...

Daim thinks PR can win 10 states!?? Maybe in the next century but I think BN will continue to rule with the advantage of incumbency and foul play.

ivanhow
19-08-2011, 10:48 AM
And now that San Miguel Corporation of the Phillipines has bought over the entire ExxonMobil downstream business in Bolehland, perhaps you can enjoy your "Drink & Drive" promotions, hic!, yeah San Miguel... Send Me Gal!

p.s. there you go, another big company has sold and pick up and go... donwan to let him open more stations, only Petronas can open, so he sells and cabut lah! :mad:
On a similar note, think BP (in bolehland) was also probably forced to sell of. Now, some of those BP (now BHP) stations seems gobbled up by Petronas too. So, will Esso in Malaysia face the same fate? :confused: Check it out. :D But again this is digressing.

DarkNite
19-08-2011, 02:13 PM
....
We should also remember that if PR wins federal, the whole game changes. Any surviving 'frogs' in PR will not have any incentive to jump. For bad or for good. We might prefer that they reveal themselves early...
Quite right.
It is very naive of us to expect QUALITY politicians in abundance after 53yrs hegemony?

DarkNite
19-08-2011, 02:17 PM
Today I read in HERE (http://www.themalaysianinsider.com/malaysia/article/najib-says-100pc-meritocracy-will-breed-mediocrity/) that quotes Najib Razak saying a system based 100 per cent on meritocracy would only breed “a nation of mediocrity”. :eek:
Question in my mind now is that which type of center is Najib moving into?

currymee
19-08-2011, 02:23 PM
The way I see it - 1Najib is steadily moving towards THE EGDE AND FALLING OFF THE CLIFF - GOOD RIDDANCE !!! :D :D - jiayu, jiayu !!! :D

cml
19-08-2011, 03:45 PM
I thought one of the tun's son bought a controlling stake in san miguel. There was some ho hah at the beginning but the msm all have to look the other way i think so its no big deal because it is only business. Just like the x igp can be a director of a gaming company.

Rhiga
19-08-2011, 03:53 PM
On a similar note, think BP (in bolehland) was also probably forced to sell of. Now, some of those BP (now BHP) stations seems gobbled up by Petronas too. ..

Forced to sell, really ??

Obviously, you did not read post #34..

Bolehland is too small a playground for BP PLC, and BP Malaysia local partner was Boustead Holding.. Hence, when BP PLC wanted to sell the assests in Malaysia, Boustead is given the 1st choice rather than Petronas...

BP PLC also sold their retail business in Singapore and their JV in Vietnam..

What left in this region for BP is chemicals and lubricants...

SiangMalam
19-08-2011, 07:36 PM
I agree strongly with TDZ's predictions that PR will take Putrajaya. No if no but and its time BN and their apple polishers and rent seekrs take flight!

StonTemplePilot
19-08-2011, 11:10 PM
I agree strongly with TDZ's predictions that PR will take Putrajaya. No if no but and its time BN and their apple polishers and rent seekrs take flight!

Wahahaaaaaa...

SiangMalam
20-08-2011, 12:35 AM
Wahahaaaaaa...
You have been posting your one-sentence ridicule of Pakatan Rakyat and no one laughs at you.

You have also subtly warn voters of the trouble if BN loses and no one in this forum bothers you.

But a few of us know your stance and in a democratic society we all believe in we let you post peacefully.

Now, learn to respect others stance too in a democratic society and stop your bullying like a typical BN leader.