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Rhiga
15-08-2011, 01:46 PM
Well, I think the mod has deleted all my posts on “ students of lucky draw” from the thread – Malaysian boy injured in London riot..

I am re-posting them one by one (hopefully I can remember all of them)...

Rhiga
15-08-2011, 01:47 PM
Post 1

Well, there are people lucky enough to go to college/uni by lucky draw…They don’t know why they are selected (some don’t even apply) and their result certainly not fit for them to be there…

But, every year there are many deserving full A students rejected for a fair chance of higher education…

My sympathy for those who study hard but rejected by their own countries…..

Rhiga
15-08-2011, 01:50 PM
Post 2

This sad and unfair state has been there for more than 4 decades... We contributed tax money, but we continue to be disappointed by such lucky draw contest.. The worst is some institutions which were formed purely from our tax money.. are established with a clear mission – only for them...

Rhiga
15-08-2011, 01:55 PM
Post 3

Gomen even spend minimum half a million ringgit to sponsor each of the lucky winner to go to UK for courses which can easily be done here like CIMA, just for the purpose to have an environment for them to read and write in English …

The sad and ironic part is – most of these lucky draw winners will still communicate inside and outside the classroom using their hometown dialect…

Rhiga
15-08-2011, 01:59 PM
Post 4

Not to brag, when I studied engineering degree in local uni, I can complete the degree course in less than 3 years vs the minimum 4 years but the system/uni won’t allow.. because this will make those lucky draw winners look so silly… they normally need to extend their duration of studies..


Ps : Post 1 to 3 was sent 2-3 day ago, post 4 was sent this morning... all of them disappear after lunch today...

zinglicious
15-08-2011, 02:08 PM
Yikes, you may run into banana plantation as even I as a Mean Chef also cannot cook up all the banana to be dished to me as I too have numerous posting dissippating into thin air especially politically sensitives ones. :eek:
Or maybe I being an Olde Mean Chef, could not remember what spices and herbs I have put to cook my broth. :D

Rhiga
15-08-2011, 02:24 PM
Yikes, you may run into banana plantation as even I as a Mean Chef also cannot cook up all the banana to be dished to me as I too have numerous posting dissippating into thin air especially politically sensitives ones. :eek:
Or maybe I being an Olde Mean Chef, could not remember what spices and herbs I have put to cook my broth. :D

Yup, that’s why I created a “lucky draw’ thread for all the lucky draw-related posts…

Sensitive ?? my *F?@&

I am talking about my tax money being used for lucky draw….

SiangMalam
15-08-2011, 05:22 PM
I like your thread but I think it has been "killed off" by some silly distraction - thread hijacking, consciously or otherwise - and its happening too regularly now with ppl trying to coin terms (ala Lato Tupai) and think they are funny! :mad:

Rhiga
15-08-2011, 11:47 PM
Just read this piece of news from Sin Chew online...

http://www.sinchew.com.my/node/216149?tid=1

This twin sister from PJ Catholic High school got all A (5A) in STPM.

However, they failed to get their 1st choice (UM medicine) and were given 3rd choice (actuary science in UM and UKM). After appeal via MCA, they finally got their 1st choice… You can see their happy face holding the enrolment notice from UM..

What I don’t understand is (nothing to do with right or wrong choice) – both of them successfully obtained scholarship from UK, HK and Singapore to pursue economics or Finance but they still prefer to study medicine in UM..

I wish them all the best and good luck..

SiangMalam
16-08-2011, 01:37 AM
The question to be asked here is Sagamihara-san, why was their 1st choice to do medicine in UM rejected in the first place? They qualified for sure with that kind of results - why were they not given their first choice in the first instance?

Rhiga
16-08-2011, 07:35 AM
Exactly, Bro. ( I actually want others to highlight this point instead of me )

That’s the reason I post it to my “lucky draw” thread…

With 5A in STPM (Cambridge A level), they have no problem to be accepted to top medical school in UK, Republic Ireland, Singapore and Australia….

This is another classic example of brilliant and deserving students become the victim in the lucky draw game for oversea studies…. and they don’t even given a fair chance in the first place to pursue their 1st choice to study medicine in local uni…. :mad:

hezron
16-08-2011, 10:19 AM
Exactly, Bro. ( I actually want others to highlight this point instead of me )

That’s the reason I post it to my “lucky draw” thread…

With 5A in STPM (Cambridge A level), they have no problem to be accepted to top medical school in UK, Republic Ireland, Singapore and Australia….

This is another classic example of brilliant and deserving students become the victim in the lucky draw game for oversea studies…. and they don’t even given a fair chance in the first place to pursue their 1st choice to study medicine in local uni…. :mad:

heard this over the morning news, felt really silly about the way our Gov operate nowadays...
like we are keeping those bureaucracy and little napoleons to ensure some inefficiency happen, hence some politikus got some merit to claim
:mad:

cskok8
16-08-2011, 11:32 AM
The question to be asked here is Sagamihara-san, why was their 1st choice to do medicine in UM rejected in the first place? They qualified for sure with that kind of results - why were they not given their first choice in the first instance?

Must give MCA something to do ma! ;)

currymee
16-08-2011, 11:41 AM
Must give MCA something to do ma! ;)

Aiseyman !!! I hope you are joking !!! :rolleyes:

SiangMalam
16-08-2011, 01:06 PM
Must give MCA something to do ma! ;)
Sometimes it makes me wonder if this is all a game.... UMNO makes the obvious rejection of top Chinese students from the JPA scholarships and MCA comes in and become a hero in the eys of the Chinese community.... walla! Chinese votes in the pocket! Just wondering if this is a sandiwara...

cml
16-08-2011, 01:47 PM
It is supposed to make them look like champions. I agree with our friend why they chose what they did. UM of today is no longer like the UM of yesteryears. Come out with a degree from an institution that has obviously seen better days in terms of world recognition is simply not a wise choice.

tupai
16-08-2011, 04:36 PM
it was deja vu...i sat thru, listened intently, absorbed each word like gospel truth for all 2-3hrs of his speech. I came away like a couple yrs ago totally impressed (and bought some more stocks there too! :p But i digressing lah. Xbaik.

PM Lee mentioned that SPore had only 8000U places in 2001 and now its 12000 and 14000 by 2015...Such controlled growth ensures meritocracy, high quality and grad employability...and also that 2000 applied for 300medic places and manywith As and other achievements to boot, were disappointed. And he took pain to emphasise that many parents appealed to him personally but he advised them all to go thru the system...*tabik lah*

It was very inspirational, logical, and engaging...

It almost make me wanna go back and study again :p

Yang Ada Belajar sket

cml
16-08-2011, 05:27 PM
Thats why all their universities have ranking in the world. They have many international students who are there by virtue of their academic abilities rather than their ability to pay unlike our institutions

ng
16-08-2011, 09:40 PM
Jus
After appeal via MCA, .

Then they will say MCA is good and 'vote' for them... :p

But isn't all this supposed to be automatic and based on meritocracy ? Why should they be begging MCA in the first place ? ;)

zinglicious
16-08-2011, 09:49 PM
Or is it MCA goes begging and comes back bragging - " See because of MCA, these girls got a place in UM. With 5 or 10 A 's, you go nowhere in Bolehland without MCA lah. :rolleyes:
Automatic gears not applicable in Bolehland , it is using shift gears. Many a time, policies made can go Gos-tan or flip flop without going systematic. :rolleyes:

SiangMalam
17-08-2011, 12:18 AM
Then they will say MCA is good and 'vote' for them... :p

But isn't all this supposed to be automatic and based on meritocracy ? Why should they be begging MCA in the first place ? ;)
I thought that was exactly my point in my post #15 above.... :confused:

Rhiga
17-08-2011, 10:53 AM
But isn't all this supposed to be automatic and based on meritocracy ? Why should they be begging MCA in the first place ? ;)

I thought my thread topic “lucky draw” is clear and loud enough…

If there is meritocracy, do I still need to call the selection of university enrolment and award of scholarship as lucky draw contest ...???

zinglicious
17-08-2011, 12:05 PM
Well, I think the mod has deleted all my posts on “ students of lucky draw” from the thread – Malaysian boy injured in London riot..

I am re-posting them one by one (hopefully I can remember all of them)...



I thought my thread topic “lucky draw” is clear and loud enough…

If there is meritocracy, do I still need to call the selection of university enrolment and award of scholarship as lucky draw contest ...???


Ssh.... not so loud...otherwise all your posts is gonna to fly away without a trace unless you have enough RAM memory in your hard disk to rewrtie the whole program again. :D

DarkNite
17-08-2011, 12:12 PM
Lucky draw contest?
Why do I get a feeling that it has more rigging than a schooner?

tupai
17-08-2011, 12:48 PM
Lucky draw contest?
Why do I get a feeling that it has more rigging than a schooner?

SOKONG! Its a rigged, fixed, predetermined, sudah kaw-tim 'lucky draw' favoring by-duh-thousands low standard, lower academic, low quality students...

but deep down in the bowel I LUV it! Dey all made me sounding, acting and smarty-pants like Albert Einstein+John M.Keynes+Neil Tyson put in 1! korek and korek? :D

Yang Amat Bersuka Zeromeritocracy TIU xlatotupai :cool:

Rhiga
17-08-2011, 12:57 PM
Lucky draw contest?
Why do I get a feeling that it has more rigging than a schooner?

Lucky draw can be said LOUD LOUD…

Riged, fixed shhs… I will quietly say after 3 big bottles of Tsing tau, ok.... :D

Darknite, what can I do !!…
Mod had deleted all my lucky draws posts in other thread… he may delete my thread and my nick entirely if I shout too loud… :eek: :D

Rhiga
20-08-2011, 10:41 AM
Another classic lucky draw... but this time, I think the lucky draw organizer kicked a thick steel plate...

http://www.sinchew.com.my/node/216513?tid=1

The lucky draw victim via his lawyer father sued the Khazanah Cambridge Scholarship which is under the purview of Yayasan Khazanah.

He was offered a place in Cambridge to study chemical engineering, and he asked for RM1 million damages from Khazanah.

Fyi, the Khazanah Cambridge scholarship opens to all Malaysian regardless of financial needs. I think and I hope he can win.

Even though he cannot win , I hope the legal process will expose the " blackbox " selection criteria, and open a can of worms...

cml
20-08-2011, 12:47 PM
I dont think that it is the intention to 'win' but rather to expose their cock and bull story about meritocracy or mediocrity now issit? I cannot understand how by having meritocracy you will end up with mediocrity. Maybe i need Einstein to enlighten me!.

DarkNite
20-08-2011, 03:36 PM
.... I cannot understand how by having meritocracy you will end up with mediocrity....Any sane & educated person will also not understand.
That bovine manure is for the naive & gullible masses....humm, maybe that's why our education system is structure as such - numero uno, from the bottom?

tupai
20-08-2011, 05:03 PM
Only in bolehland that "meritocracy leads to mediocrity" :eek:

and I can say this: "it takes a mediocre person to view the concept of meritocracy adversely different". Syabas!

it takes only a politician to suggest "to do one's best will lead to mediocrity' :confused:

And to put it simply (only in bolehland):

1should NOT work hard, study hard, do 1best because all these positive values & attributes will make 1 very smart,very rich and v successful.

Such success will breed mediocrity. It will make 1 a mediocre person, leads 1to be less ambitious, to be a lazy beach bum and worst, dont wanna work anymore.

So, no work means no money. No money means no food. No food means die lah. :eek:
And all should not strive for meritocracy cos it can lead to hunger and death!


M= S (MxS - W)
. D

Quod erat demonstrandum.

Yang Amat BeachBumming TIU xlatotupai :cool:

wongjie90
21-08-2011, 12:02 AM
Just read this piece of news from Sin Chew online...

http://www.sinchew.com.my/node/216149?tid=1

This twin sister from PJ Catholic High school got all A (5A) in STPM.

However, they failed to get their 1st choice (UM medicine) and were given 3rd choice (actuary science in UM and UKM). After appeal via MCA, they finally got their 1st choice… You can see their happy face holding the enrolment notice from UM..

What I don’t understand is (nothing to do with right or wrong choice) – both of them successfully obtained scholarship from UK, HK and Singapore to pursue economics or Finance but they still prefer to study medicine in UM..

I wish them all the best and good luck..
Saga, understand that Doctor can make more money than others.............

currymee
21-08-2011, 07:56 AM
Saga, understand that Doctor can make more money than others.............

If you want to MAKE A LOT OF MONEY (legality of gain is a different issue) in Malaysia, go and become a leader in the BN GOVT .... I have yet to meet one who is NOT a multi-millionaire/billionaire BN division leader. :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Noble professions like doctors and teachers should be done by those with high degree of social and community service desires and not for making lots of money per say.

Rhiga
21-08-2011, 08:32 AM
Saga, understand that Doctor can make more money than others.............

Well, I am not too sure about this…

The twin sisters are offered a place in HK to study finance..

Fyi, fresh salary for top finance graduate from HK University working in investment bank (Goldman Sachs, etc) and management consulting firm (Mckinsey, etc) is around HKD 30-40k which is more than RM20k.., This was last year, not sure about this year.

I think I mentioned before field engineer working in offshore oil & gas services company like Schlumberger, Halliburton etc , the monthly take home pay (salary+rig allowance+hardship allowance+job bonus) can be more than the annual income of a fresh graduate…..I spent considerable time in this industry many years before and the crude price durimg my time was less than USD30... Now with the skyhigh crude price, offshore O&G pay even more...

A finance graduate in overseas can complete the degree before 23 years old, an engineering graduate can complete before the age of 23/24....

A UM graduate by the time he completes his MBBS, I think is at least 26 years old. Plus 3 years compulsory horsemanship, she can only be a GP when she is 29/30 years old. How much a young GP can earn ?? She needs to become a specialist and this mean another 2-3 years in varsity (loss of income) and by the time she can start to earn real $$, easily above 35 years old !!

35 years old !!....Many had started to plan retirement or in a solid financial position when reaching 35 years ++....

Nowadays, for the purpose of $$$, medicine is not the right choice..

cskok8
21-08-2011, 01:10 PM
Soon there will be NO jobs for medical graduates. Do you know how many medical colleges are there in Malaysia and how many graduates they will produce once all of them are in "full production"?

New GPs starting up now are struggling to survive. So save your RM 1 million and set them up in some business.

wongjie90
21-08-2011, 02:13 PM
If you want to MAKE A LOT OF MONEY (legality of gain is a different issue) in Malaysia, go and become a leader in the BN GOVT .... I have yet to meet one who is NOT a multi-millionaire/billionaire BN division leader. :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Noble professions like doctors and teachers should be done by those with high degree of social and community service desires and not for making lots of money per say.
I agreed with you that "doctors and teachers should be done by those with high degree of social and community service desires " but how come there are so many top scorer still choose medicine as their 1st choice instead of Finance, Engineering, Science, Maths and etc..........?
As for those politician, that is not a secret anymore.

burntan
22-08-2011, 04:59 PM
If the uni only got 1000 places for medical students and there are 1500 qualify applicants (all with similar qualification), then there must be 500 disappointed applicants. Doesn't mean that those 500 are less qualify nor being discriminated, but just have to accept the fact that it is not enough places, first come first serve.

cml
23-08-2011, 02:03 PM
We can respect that if and a very big if, provided that those who are taken in have better results that those rejected but in our case, that is simply not true. Because of all the quotas and what nots, some of those rejected have better, much better results that some of those who were accepted. I am pretty sure there is a reason why standards have been lowered to create a greater pool of straight a students. So instead of having 500 straight a students in the entire country there is suddenly 30000 straight a students. So whilst the original straight a students remain straight a students, suddenly there are 29500 more people to compete with them for places in the universities and where do these people come from? They are the people who would normally have a few a's less but because standards have been lowered they suddenly become straight a students. That is also the reason why many have gone to study in egypt with straight a's and after the first year flopped and they either have to repeat or they come back to bolehland where they join one of the bests universities in the world and pass with flying colours. I know someone whose son was in that situation and i was told that more than 10 of his coursemates also came back with him and are now all in our famous universities.

StonTemplePilot
23-08-2011, 02:07 PM
If one's objective's is to earn $$$, be a businessman...No point work as a pro i.e. engineer, doctor, lawyer...Only the very top of these pros earn good $$$..

cml
23-08-2011, 02:13 PM
Even doctors join politics if they want to earn more money in bolehland.

Rhiga
23-08-2011, 02:21 PM
We can respect that if and a very big if, provided that those who are taken in have better results that those rejected but in our case, that is simply not true. Because of all the quotas and what nots, some of those rejected have better, much better results that some of those who were accepted. I am pretty sure there is a reason why standards have been lowered to create a greater pool of straight a students. So instead of having 500 straight a students in the entire country there is suddenly 30000 straight a students. So whilst the original straight a students remain straight a students, suddenly there are 29500 more people to compete with them for places in the universities and where do these people come from? They are the people who would normally have a few a's less but because standards have been lowered they suddenly become straight a students. That is also the reason why many have gone to study in egypt with straight a's and after the first year flopped and they either have to repeat or they come back to bolehland where they join one of the bests universities in the world and pass with flying colours. I know someone whose son was in that situation and i was told that more than 10 of his coursemates also came back with him and are now all in our famous universities.


Can’t agree more…..we can esily find solid examples...

Those who excel in overseas universities.. those who are awarded best student of the university, be it in Singapore, Australia, UK, US, etc. When these students are from Malaysia, I can only see them from a common group…..I hardly (in fact, so far none) find them from the privileged/ special right group....

So, are all the straight A students identical in quality of their A ??

The solid examples above are the best answer...

tupai
23-08-2011, 03:27 PM
If one's objective's is to earn $$$, be a businessman...No point work as a pro i.e. engineer, doctor, lawyer...Only the very top of these pros earn good $$$..

Wah! liddat i aso wanna b a bizzman lah! I and 1000000 others are wondering What business can to do to earn BIG $$$? :confused: *think*tink*tink*

there will be a glut of bolehlander doctors in next 5-7years. hence, there will be a big need for touting or some would call, Professional Consulting Advisers for doctors and even specialists.
Insyallah, i can open an agency, start recruiting & training a pool of such agents nationwide. Prepping them to professionally recommend the best GP for cough, cold, fever and some say, butt ache. :p

Yang Ada Bizzness TIU xlatotupai :cool:

p/s how come nowadays i see GPs also selling stuff like crow's feet smoothener, botox, goat placenta, slimming pills, special dieting tea leaves, hair treatment gel and all sorta vanity thingy...is it a sign that doctors are line-extending? or going into other business?? :confused: :confused:

aursong
23-08-2011, 05:39 PM
Malaysia is looking to generate 60K Phd by the year 2023

Lucky draw or not... no harm trying out for those that are interested...

http://research.mmu.edu.my/ips/node/348

Cheers... :D

SiangMalam
23-08-2011, 06:24 PM
If the uni only got 1000 places for medical students and there are 1500 qualify applicants (all with similar qualification), then there must be 500 disappointed applicants. Doesn't mean that those 500 are less qualify nor being discriminated, but just have to accept the fact that it is not enough places, first come first serve.
As long as the 1000 that got in are better qualified than the 500 that were rejected. Otherwise, its pure discriminasi! First come first serve is not merit-based! :mad:

cskok8
23-08-2011, 08:26 PM
p/s how come nowadays i see GPs also selling stuff like crow's feet smoothener, botox, goat placenta, slimming pills, special dieting tea leaves, hair treatment gel and all sorta vanity thingy...is it a sign that doctors are line-extending? or going into other business?? :confused: :confused:

What to do? So many "professions" are intruding into what was formerly the doctors "domain". Sinsehs, chiropractors, pharmacist, beauticians, snake oil sellers, etc ;)

burntan
24-08-2011, 09:34 AM
As long as the 1000 that got in are better qualified than the 500 that were rejected. Otherwise, its pure discriminasi! First come first serve is not merit-based! :mad:

Merit-based doesn't mean purely based on the number fo A's one scored. Let say there are 2 students A & B, while A score 13 A's (9 standard subject + 4 religious studies papers) and B only score 9 A's, both apply for medical school. Now, who is more qualify? I would say they are both equally qualify, because medical studies does not required good religious knowledge.

Jennylim
25-08-2011, 09:34 PM
It pains us to read such news, but we can not run away from the fact that incompetent leaders afraid of smart peoples. They would find ways to get rid of the smarter ones. Better still u migrant and don't come back.