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Dervish
15-07-2011, 02:19 PM
I bought the book a couple of years ago but never got around to reading it. Now it's available on Youtube. Here's Part 1 of Sun Tzu's The Art Of War. In total, there are 10 parts. Please proceed to all ten parts from there.

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zinglicious
15-07-2011, 02:26 PM
Is the voice over by Ipoh Mari Patrick Teoh. Sounds like it, looks like it. :confused:

Dervish
15-07-2011, 02:32 PM
Is the voice over by Ipoh Mari Patrick Teoh. Sounds like it, looks like it. :confused:
I donno Zing. Patrick Teoh is Ipohmali meh? :confused: I didn't know that.

I just listened to it again. Nope. The voice-over is not done by Patrick. :)

Naka
15-07-2011, 03:55 PM
That sound like an ah moh and therfore can't be Patrick Teoh

kwchang
15-07-2011, 04:57 PM
look guys, after Patrick made his name with his voice, almost every DJ in town copied his style and "voice". Actually, I believe a lot of them were actually groomed by his company which provided DJ services... like the ones you hear at shopping malls

kuma
15-07-2011, 05:12 PM
This series on 'The Art Of War' was produced by The History Channel.

zinglicious
15-07-2011, 05:21 PM
That sound like an ah moh and therfore can't be Patrick Teoh

Of course, he sound like Ah Moh. He schooled at St Michael Institution, watch English speaking movies to polish his English moves and accents. He hosted the Kee Huat's Facts and Fantasy over Radio RTM after his Rediffusion days internship. and read news at TV3. I think he was hosting a brief radio program in New Zealand way back then. In fact, he was so mean flamboyant in his own way, he was even hauled up to the polis for questioning, terminated without reasons, when he was in the mainstream media of Malaysia.In addition , this guy can act in live comedy and cook in restaurant.

Somehow the unmistaken accent and the style of voice over in the Sun Tzu, I am convinced that it is Patrick Teoh of Niamah infamous blog. If we have Jimmy Choo to make diamond studded shoes, it is a strong possibility to get a Chinese with great voice over for a Chinese Theme of American production. :)

The Art of war is being read and an important text for military leaders have been following its advice. In the twentieth century, the Communist leader Mao Zedong said that the lessons he learned from The Art of War helped him defeat Chiang Kai-Shek’s Nationalist forces during the Chinese Civil War. Other recent devotees of Sun Tzu’s work include Viet Minh commanders Vo Nguyen Giap and Ho Chi Minh and American Gulf War generals Norman Schwarzkopf and Colin Powell. In fact, at the US military academy, officers are suppose to express thier thoughts in Art of War. :cool:

And hopefully I wont get another banana for hijacking the Art ot war since I apply the tactics from it and lure the one eye to comment on it too. ;)

Subtle and insubstantial, the expert leaves no trace; divinely mysterious, he is inaudible. Thus he is master of his banana's fate - Sun Tzu ( Chef revised version ).

Rhiga
15-07-2011, 05:44 PM
No offence to anyone who doesn’t read Mandarin...

Somehow, I just find the English version of Chinese's ancient brainwork shucks… be it military strategy, literature, fengshui, etc..

The translated name of 孙子 as Sun Tzu, and 乒法 (which is more appropriate to call it as military strategy or combat mechanism) as “art of war” sound really weird…!!

To me, it is like reading Shakespeare in non-English... :eek:

SiangMalam
15-07-2011, 05:49 PM
I doubt its Patrick Teoh doing the voice over, not even close to him. Anyway, it is about Sun Tzu and let us stick to the Sun Tzu's principles, let us not always get digressed and hijacked into other topics.... :mad:

SiangMalam
15-07-2011, 05:52 PM
No offence to anyone who doesn’t read Mandarin...

Somehow, I just find the English version of Chinese's ancient brainwork shucks… be it military strategy, literature, fengshui, etc..

The translated name of 孙子 as Sun Tzu, and [B]乒法([B] (which is more appropriate to call it as military strategy) as “art of war” sound really weird…!!

To me, it is like reading Shakespeare in non-English... :eek:
Hey bro, if you want to split hair, then then let me ask you one simple straightforward question. What is the difference between "MILITARY STRATEGY" and "ART OF WAR"? :confused:

Dervish
15-07-2011, 06:00 PM
No offence to anyone who doesn’t read Mandarin...

Somehow, I just find the English version of Chinese's ancient brainwork shucks… be it military strategy, literature, fengshui, etc..

The translated name of 孙子 as Sun Tzu, and 乒法 (which is more appropriate to call it as military strategy or combat mechanism) as “art of war” sound really weird…!!

To me, it is like reading Shakespeare in non-English... :eek:
Thank you for pointing this out. You are an asset to those of us who doesn't read Mandarin. And I am sincere in my comment. :)

So, how should the translation read? The two sets of Chinese characters you wrote on top?

Rhiga
15-07-2011, 06:04 PM
Hey bro, if you want to split hair, then then let me ask you one simple straightforward question. What is the difference between "MILITARY STRATEGY" and "ART OF WAR"? :confused:

Bro,

It is just different in Mandarin.. art of war if literally translated in Mandarin carries a different meaning with the art of war in English.. and I haven’t come across such word in Mandarin, not to I know of the application of “art of war” in Mandarin.. War is ugly, there is no Mandarin word that describe the "art" of war... :confused:

Yes, sometimes you can use the word “art of xxx” like the art of dining (English) and it carries the same meaning in Mandarin…

Rhiga
15-07-2011, 06:13 PM
..So, how should the translation read? The two sets of Chinese characters you wrote on top?

First, I admit that I should not comment on the translated name of Sun Tzu, this is Pinyin and the word Sun Tsu has no meaning… it just helps to pronounce the name using Latin alphabet..

And for 乒法

乒is soldier and 法 is method/mechanism/strategy. Sun Tsu is a military strategist, so I think it is more appropriate to call his brainwork as military strategy...

SiangMalam
15-07-2011, 06:16 PM
Yes buddy, I think you're right if you look at it that way in terms of "direct" or "literal" translation of the two languages. My apologies because I look at the translation not from that point but rather the entirety of the Sun Tzu philosophy... thanks for your explanation, much appreciated.

zinglicious
15-07-2011, 06:21 PM
Similarly, a non Malaysian doctor with MBBS cant prescribe medication for Asian patient with "heatiness" or Yit Hei or Y factor syndrome due to foods consumption with too much Yin or Yang factor. ;)

zinglicious
15-07-2011, 07:19 PM
Likewise - the phrase - Keep your friends close, and your enemies closer.
This has often been attributed to Sun Tzu and sometimes to Niccolò Machiavelli or Petrarch, but there are no published sources yet found which predate its use by "Michael Corleone" in The Godfather Part II scene ," My father taught me many things here — he taught me in this room. He taught me — keep your friends close but your enemies closer.

To know your Enemy, you must become your Enemy is of Sun Tzu quotation in simplified version from the original translated from "It is said that if you know your enemies and know yourself, you will not be imperiled in a hundred battles...".

Confusing? It would be more confusing when English translation is done to extract the thoughts of Confucious. :eek:

Now that's another story where I am not gonna to quote , lest I would be thrown into Banana wonderland for hijacking. Confusing but I have to keep my enemies and friends very close. Keeping it close is another quote from Sun Tzu: Too frequent rewards indicate that the general is at the end of his resources; too frequent punishments that he is in acute distress. :D

Dervish
15-07-2011, 07:34 PM
Likewise - the phrase - Keep your friends close, and your enemies closer.
This has often been attributed to Sun Tzu and sometimes to Niccolò Machiavelli or Petrarch, but there are no published sources yet found which predate its use by "Michael Corleone" in The Godfather Part II scene ," My father taught me many things here — he taught me in this room. He taught me — keep your friends close but your enemies closer.

To know your Enemy, you must become your Enemy is of Sun Tzu quotation in simplified version from the original translated from "It is said that if you know your enemies and know yourself, you will not be imperiled in a hundred battles...".

Confusing? It would be more confusing when English translation is done to extract the thoughts of Confucious. :eek:

Now that's another story where I am not gonna to quote , lest I would be thrown into Banana wonderland for hijacking. Confusing but I have to keep my enemies and friends very close. :D
:D Thank you for this post, Zing. It was thought-provoking. :D

zinglicious
15-07-2011, 08:04 PM
Coincidentally, it was just this month when I actually read and try to understand the thoughts of Art of War as I was doing preparatory presentation for my business face off with a business corporation since the closure of restaurant at Subang. But I have to thank you for the same for the video link especially the difference of English knight chess and Chinese "Go" chess strategic moves in defining the success and failures of art of war strategy in Vietnam war.

One disadvantage of being English educated in a missionary school, we are reading stories of Julius Ceaser, Romeo and Juliet. We were deprived of classical stories of Romance of Three Kingdoms, Water Margin, Sun Tzu, or Confucious.

And it is quite difficult to comprehend especially Mandarin is like Jawi to me. :o

zinglicious
15-07-2011, 08:58 PM
:D Thank you for this post, Zing. It was thought-provoking. :D

You can thank me just like usj27 resident where he is offering free banana split. A chocolatey banana smoothies would make me jumping happy like a monkey. It is one of the lesson from SunTzu - Opportunities multiply as they are seized. :) :)

Dervish
16-07-2011, 11:18 AM
You can thank me just like usj27 resident where he is offering free banana split. A chocolatey banana smoothies would make me jumping happy like a monkey. It is one of the lesson from SunTzu - Opportunities multiply as they are seized. :) :)
Banana Split?

Aren't you the creator of the infamous Bananarama? :D Or have I got that mixed up too?

tupai
16-07-2011, 11:59 AM
serves me well thus far...esp. 'Asketh for no quarter, giveth no quarter' :cool:

and ' playeth possum but strike like a fiery dragon awakeneth' :p

finally, this i luv bestest: 'Maketh stealth love, not cacophonic war' :D

Yang Ada Belajar sket suntzu TIU xlatotupai :p

zinglicious
16-07-2011, 12:22 PM
Bukankah itu Hidden Tupai, Crouching Cat quote from John Woo academy award movie instead of SunTzu? :confused: :D :confused: