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smoothead
12-06-2011, 09:56 PM
I might be mistaken, but since when did our roti naik harga? Just bought a loaf of bread this evening and paid the usual RM3 for the wholemeal but the shopkeeper said it's now RM3.20. Huh...electricity up 7%, bread also up by the same amount???

pokemon
12-06-2011, 10:25 PM
I might be mistaken, but since when did our roti naik harga? Just bought a loaf of bread this evening and paid the usual RM3 for the wholemeal but the shopkeeper said it's now RM3.20. Huh...electricity up 7%, bread also up by the same amount???

Gardenia bread is not controlled item. They can simply adjust their prices at their will.

DarkNite
13-06-2011, 06:58 AM
...electricity up 7%, ...
You are also mis-informed that electricity is up by 7%. That figure given is the average of the whole country and it includes those that never have to pay before. So far, most urbanites, that I know, experience a shock of 20 to 40% increase!

leonardchin
13-06-2011, 09:29 AM
Yes... :( I am equally shocked that the price of bread has increase overnight without any notice............ What next lar to naik...... everything also naik.....

I wish my gaji will naik overnight without any notice....... :rolleyes:

currymee
13-06-2011, 09:39 AM
I might be mistaken, but since when did our roti naik harga? Just bought a loaf of bread this evening and paid the usual RM3 for the wholemeal but the shopkeeper said it's now RM3.20. Huh...electricity up 7%, bread also up by the same amount???

Use industrial electrical OVEN right ? ;) and if I am not mistaken idsutry electrical rates are higher ?

Just accept that everything will be BARANG NAIK (BN) :mad: :mad:

smoothead
13-06-2011, 10:15 AM
Gardenia bread is not controlled item. They can simply adjust their prices at their will.

I see. So they do it quietly and nobody is the wiser! Next, the coffee shops increase the price of kopi and the gomen make a big fuss out of it! The big boys (industries) will always get away with their price increase without any whimper from the gomen, oh...correction, with the blessings even, example, the recent increases of sugar prices.

Naka
13-06-2011, 10:27 AM
Everything is up, up and up. Looks like the trend.

SiangMalam
13-06-2011, 11:12 AM
I see. So they do it quietly and nobody is the wiser! Next, the coffee shops increase the price of kopi and the gomen make a big fuss out of it! The big boys (industries) will always get away with their price increase without any whimper from the gomen, oh...correction, with the blessings even, example, the recent increases of sugar prices.
You're on the right track but lets explore further.... Gardenia Malaysia is privately owned by 70% QAF Limited (a Singapore-listed company) and 30% by BERNAS (yaitu Beras Nasional).

Guess who owns BERNAS? Its the same fella who now control Tradewinds Bhd which in turn controls Central Sugar Refinery and Malayan Sugar Mill (PRAI Sugar) and just got granted a licence to build a USD300 million new sugar refinery in Kota Kinabalu and allowed to increase sugar from RM1.40 per kilo to present RM2.30 per kilo last 9 months or so....

Its the same fella who got POS Malaysia and now all basic postage is 50 sen even for post card.... soon you will have to pay your maid's levy ONLY at Post Offices nationwide (just watch this!)....

Its the same fella who owns Malakoff who also owns the IPPs in Tanjung Bin Power Plant and the Manjung Power Plants (both coal-fired plants!)....

It's the same fella who owns DRB-Hicom which owns Proton and franchises to Mercedes and Audi...

leonardchin
13-06-2011, 12:56 PM
Just so you all know...... Gardenia is not the only one that raise the price... High Five bread also cost RM0.20 more.

Hopefull
13-06-2011, 01:24 PM
There are many who dont mind spending for 2 thin slices of toast bread for more than 2ringgit in one of the classy kopitimas but grumble at the cost of a loaf of bread :confused:

DarkNite
13-06-2011, 01:55 PM
There are many who dont mind spending for 2 thin slices of toast bread for more than 2ringgit in one of the classy kopitimas but grumble at the cost of a loaf of bread :confused:
This type of loti bakar wah chiak beh loh! :D

SiangMalam
13-06-2011, 05:25 PM
There are many who dont mind spending for 2 thin slices of toast bread for more than 2ringgit in one of the classy kopitimas but grumble at the cost of a loaf of bread :confused:
Hello, use your brain lah.... a loaf of bread on the dining table is a staple for the family and affects MAJORITY of the population. The toasted slice at classy kopitiams is an indulgence and only a small spectrum of the population. Make sensible comparison lah! :mad:

leonardchin
13-06-2011, 07:53 PM
Hello, use your brain lah.... a loaf of bread on the dining table is a staple for the family and affects MAJORITY of the population. The toasted slice at classy kopitiams is an indulgence and only a small spectrum of the population. Make sensible comparison lah! :mad:


I agree with SiangMalam. Bread is the staple diet of most families for breakfast. So this price increase will effect everyone. Sigh.... :(

smoothead
13-06-2011, 09:18 PM
SiangMalam, you sure know your stuff. BTW MSM is going for listing and I thump my nose at it. No way I am going to support this type even if it makes money for me. Tak boleh telan this type of money!!!
BTW SiangMalam, any good tips??? Hehehe, just kidding!

Oh...and Hopefull, don't hope to see me eating roti bakar at those fancy kopitiam anytime soon. I'll stick to my RM3.20 loaf of bread for now.
Otherwise anyone have any ideas to reasonable good and cheap bread?

zinglicious
13-06-2011, 10:10 PM
Good and cheap breads comes from non attractive bags made by small industrial baker. Small enough that they dont put funny stuff like A to Z enrichment and presservatives. One double size of Hainanese roti or buns cost me just Rm3.00.
And they dont last long as they get mouldy by day 3 ( i got them straight from the oven) as compared to Gardenia or High 5 which stays way past one week from production day. Nice enough to last so long - good ?

jan tomaswaki
14-06-2011, 07:17 AM
I agree with SiangMalam. Bread is the staple diet of most families for breakfast. So this price increase will effect everyone. Sigh.... :(
True or not? maybe they just put on the table in case you get hungry and lazy to go out to eat.If it's a staple diet how come so many families still eat their favorite food in the coffee shops? :confused:

Raikonen
14-06-2011, 10:07 AM
Should buy this.

http://www.kenwoodworld.com/uk/Products/Cooking--Baking/Breadmakers/BM450/

Have been eating home baked bread for ages and it taste so much better. And it is very easy to bake :D

Rhiga
14-06-2011, 10:45 AM
You're on the right track but lets explore further.... Gardenia Malaysia is privately owned by 70% QAF Limited (a Singapore-listed company) and 30% by BERNAS (yaitu Beras Nasional).

Guess who owns BERNAS? Its the same fella who now control Tradewinds Bhd which in turn controls Central Sugar Refinery and Malayan Sugar Mill (PRAI Sugar) and just got granted a licence to build a USD300 million new sugar refinery in Kota Kinabalu and allowed to increase sugar from RM1.40 per kilo to present RM2.30 per kilo last 9 months or so....

Its the same fella who got POS Malaysia and now all basic postage is 50 sen even for post card.... soon you will have to pay your maid's levy ONLY at Post Offices nationwide (just watch this!)....

Its the same fella who owns Malakoff who also owns the IPPs in Tanjung Bin Power Plant and the Manjung Power Plants (both coal-fired plants!)....

It's the same fella who owns DRB-Hicom which owns Proton and franchises to Mercedes and Audi...


Let’s explore more on this IPP rubbish..

I was told TNB can generate electricity at 6-9 sen per kwh, depend on the set-up of the power plant.

IPP presently sell 14-16 sen per kwh to TNB, a whopping 80-130% higher than the TNB rate..

Guess how much this fella got for his new 1000MW power plant…. 25 sen per kwh !! :eek: :mad: :mad:

I am speechless…

SiangMalam
14-06-2011, 06:13 PM
Let’s explore more on this IPP rubbish..

I was told TNB can generate electricity at 6-9 sen per kwh, depend on the set-up of the power plant.

IPP presently sell 14-16 sen per kwh to TNB, a whopping 80-130% higher than the TNB rate..

Guess how much this fella got for his new 1000MW power plant…. 25 sen per kwh !! :eek: :mad: :mad:

I am speechless…
And who is paying for the steam coal to generate the 1,000MW? :eek: TNB!

BTW the opposition party DAP brought up the issue of Tanjung Bin Power Plant in parliament today, let's wait for more info.

ivanhow
15-06-2011, 02:04 AM
Should buy this.

http://www.kenwoodworld.com/uk/Products/Cooking--Baking/Breadmakers/BM450/

Have been eating home baked bread for ages and it taste so much better. And it is very easy to bake :DSounds like a good investment to make.

Good idea to bake the bread myself if it's more economical. Can share your numbers here?

How much (400g loaf) of bread can I produce per bake, and how many KwH does it consume to bake a standard (400g) loaf of bread? Does the bake use wholemeal flour or normal plain flour? At the present RM3.20 per loaf, what might be the payback (units) look like? :D :p :)
Perhaps, it might still be cheaper to just buy the loaf after all. :p

Hopefull
15-06-2011, 08:09 AM
With this BREAD you will never be hungry again
http://odb.org/

currymee
15-06-2011, 08:12 AM
Sounds like a good investment to make.

Good idea to bake the bread myself if it's more economical. Can share your numbers here?

How much (400g loaf) of bread can I produce per bake, and how many KwH does it consume to bake a standard (400g) loaf of bread? Does the bake use wholemeal flour or normal plain flour? At the present RM3.20 per loaf, what might be the payback (units) look like? :D :p :)
Perhaps, it might still be cheaper to just buy the loaf after all. :p

That was what I was thinking as well ... I can understand if you live in a place far from shops and that baking your own bread becomes a viable/only option - the economies of scale is just not there UNLESS you factor in personal satisfaction, then that's another story ....

leonardchin
15-06-2011, 09:26 AM
I believe the only benefit of baking own bread is a healtier option. Nothing else. It takes way too long to wait for a bread to be baked. The bread maker machine itself is not cheap.

I personally know a couple of friends who bought this bread making machines, show off a couple of times, after that tao pao the machine, keep in cupboard. Hahahahah :-)

cutebanana
15-06-2011, 02:45 PM
Is bread a controlled food item in Malaysia. Is the recent price increase in bread indiscriminately done. Is the price increase in bread only for a few brands or is it across the whole range of bread. Is it justified. For the sake of calculation, lets say a family of four buys bread everyday of the week. A simple calculation would show that a price increase of 20 cents would dent the monthly household savings by RM 0.20 x 30 = RM 6.00. A yearly impact to household savings would be RM 6.00 x 12 = RM 72.00. My own conclusion is that the price increase of bread would not impact too adversely the typical household income / spending in Malaysia. The thing is that bread is the final end of the product, we do not use bread to make other product food or otherwise. This argument would be for the typical consumer. However, a business that sells bread as a product itself, 'roti bakar' for example would see things differently. Now the 20 cents increase per loaf of bread would be interpreted as a cost price increase, and it is. Say on average, a shop sells 10 loafs of bread to the customers, thus a total cost increase of RM 2.00. Now, increasing the price of a single piece of roti bakar would have offset the cost increase. The average consumer would be happily to eat a piece of roti bakar with kaya spread thinking only increase of 5 cents is nothing compared to the 20 cents increase. The thing here is perception. When a consumer is not adversely affected by the 20 cents increase in the price of bread would also be happy to see increase of only 5 cents in a single piece of bread at those kopi-tiams (also high-end kopi tiams which there are perhaps now more than the old traditional kopi-tiams). That above is my 2 cents opinion.

DarkNite
15-06-2011, 03:22 PM
Is bread a controlled food item in Malaysia. Not these kind of bread we are now talking about.

cutebanana
15-06-2011, 03:55 PM
In a kopitiam, can we differentiate between 'Gardenia' (or other 'branded' bread) or 'unbranded' generic bread being used as roti bakar, etc. Unless the price increase includes ALL bread, the consumers still have a choice to select the cheaper bread.

fRaNkY
15-06-2011, 08:30 PM
I love RT walnut bread!

SiangMalam
16-06-2011, 12:00 AM
If there is an Adventist Hospital in your area, there is an Adventist Bakery inside there. Try their wholemeal or if you like the 7 Grains Loaf or the Bran bread. Value for money! They also make beautiful cinnamon rolls! :D

DarkNite
16-06-2011, 06:41 AM
If there is an Adventist Hospital in your area, there is an Adventist Bakery inside there. Try their wholemeal or if you like the 7 Grains Loaf or the Bran bread. Value for money! They also make beautiful cinnamon rolls! :D
I'm addicted to their jacksprout.

cupofcoffee
16-06-2011, 08:12 AM
Any bread that is eaten FRESH from the oven taste the best and great !!!! :) :)

cskok8
16-06-2011, 10:47 PM
Actually it is more expensive to make your own bread, but you can control what you put in it. And the smell of freshly baked bread :eek:

kwchang
16-06-2011, 11:06 PM
If there is an Adventist Hospital in your area, there is an Adventist Bakery inside there. Try their wholemeal or if you like the 7 Grains Loaf or the Bran bread. Value for money! They also make beautiful cinnamon rolls! :D
No need to look for Adventist Hospital in KL ... you can buy their bread at TMC, Bangsar. Limited supply though.

kwchang
16-06-2011, 11:14 PM
Actually it is more expensive to make your own bread, but you can control what you put in it. And the smell of freshly baked bread :eek:
I am not sure about home-made bread being more expensive. The ingredients are pretty cheap and there are so many bakery supplies outlets in the Klang Valley nowadays. Perhaps the cost of the bread maker or oven adds to the whole cost but if your family consumes a loaf or two a day, it probably is cheaper on the long term ... I am too lazy to do the math.

However, by making your own bread, you have the option to use the best ingredients and avoid putting in preservatives and other unnecessary chemicals. I make at least one loaf every 2 days using a bread-maker. Home made bread is real solid stuff ... unlike commercial bread bought off the shelf which are too light in comparison. With the timer function, I am free to set up the ingredients and the bread maker starts at the set time during the night or early morning and we have a hot fresh loaf when we wake up

SiangMalam
17-06-2011, 12:44 AM
Any bread that is eaten FRESH from the oven taste the best and great !!!! :) :)
Not recommended for gastric patients coz the yeast is still alive and active for most breads just fresh from the oven. That was what Uncle Slocum (or Art Slocum, the American baker who "invented" the Gardenia White Sandwich Bread) told me years ago. :D

aerobax
17-06-2011, 08:11 AM
Not recommended for gastric patients coz the yeast is still alive and active for most breads just fresh from the oven. That was what Uncle Slocum (or Art Slocum, the American baker who "invented" the Gardenia White Sandwich Bread) told me years ago. :D

That is interesting to know .... thanks :)

Raikonen
17-06-2011, 09:29 AM
I am not sure about home-made bread being more expensive. The ingredients are pretty cheap and there are so many bakery supplies outlets in the Klang Valley nowadays. Perhaps the cost of the bread maker or oven adds to the whole cost but if your family consumes a loaf or two a day, it probably is cheaper on the long term ... I am too lazy to do the math.

However, by making your own bread, you have the option to use the best ingredients and avoid putting in preservatives and other unnecessary chemicals. I make at least one loaf every 2 days using a bread-maker. Home made bread is real solid stuff ... unlike commercial bread bought off the shelf which are too light in comparison. With the timer function, I am free to set up the ingredients and the bread maker starts at the set time during the night or early morning and we have a hot fresh loaf when we wake up

Hehe...changster says it all :D

bzjude
17-06-2011, 09:36 AM
Not recommended for gastric patients coz the yeast is still alive and active for most breads just fresh from the oven. That was what Uncle Slocum (or Art Slocum, the American baker who "invented" the Gardenia White Sandwich Bread) told me years ago. :D

Thanks, good to know. Would you also have info on how long it takes for the yeast to die/become inactive?

cskok8
17-06-2011, 11:13 AM
Not recommended for gastric patients coz the yeast is still alive and active for most breads just fresh from the oven. That was what Uncle Slocum (or Art Slocum, the American baker who "invented" the Gardenia White Sandwich Bread) told me years ago. :D

Yeast can survive temperatures of >200 deg C?

SiangMalam
17-06-2011, 06:23 PM
Yes, the sponge-and-dough method used by commercial bakeries like Gardenia and High 5 normally ferment their sponge and "feed" the yeast in cold temperatures for 4-5 hours before making the proper dough. The time the dough is in the oven is just 200 degrees celcius for a quick 15 minutes or so, just to "kick" the dough up to fill the baking pans and hit the lid (for that squarish / rectagular loaf shape! Yeast are still very much alive when the bread leaves the oven guys... laboratory tested too!

SiangMalam
17-06-2011, 06:25 PM
Thanks, good to know. Would you also have info on how long it takes for the yeast to die/become inactive?
12-18 hours Bzjude....

ivanhow
17-06-2011, 11:24 PM
Interesting to now that yeasts can survive temperature 200 deg C.
I was thinking that if it can survive 200 deg C in the oven, then it shud still continue to survive at room temperature after the bread is out of the oven. No? :p

Is that why the hakka bread goes mouldy in 3 days because of the yeast? I'm so blurr... can someone please throw some light here pls.