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DarkNite
30-05-2011, 05:19 PM
1Malaysia!

Power rates up 7%, gas price to be floated.
http://www.malaysiakini.com/news/165524


Officials said natural gas prices would also rise by RM3.00 per mmBtu each six months until it reached market levels, according to a report by Reuters.

Power prices would rise by as much as 2.3 sen per kilowatt hour.

Phres
30-05-2011, 05:32 PM
Expected. They have been talking about it for so long, finally it's here. There goes anor round of price hikes in foods etc...

jimmyay
30-05-2011, 05:55 PM
What does it mean that 75% of domestic consumer won't be affected?

pokemon
30-05-2011, 06:27 PM
What does it mean that 75% of domestic consumer won't be affected?

Means 75% of the domestic comsumers are using not more than 300kWH.

SiangMalam
30-05-2011, 07:09 PM
What does it mean that 75% of domestic consumer won't be affected?
My interpretation, bro Jimmy: 75% of people / households will pay same electricity bills, so they are shielded; these 75% however will pay more for their bread and flour and instant noodles and cooking oil and sugar and transportation and gas and....
RAKYAT DIDAHULUKAN, YES!

ng
30-05-2011, 08:02 PM
What does it mean that 75% of domestic consumer won't be affected?

The hawkers and other businesses are going to raise their prices so whoever said that don't know economics.

EVERYONE is affected.

DarkNite
30-05-2011, 09:27 PM
The hawkers and other businesses are going to raise their prices so whoever said that don't know economics.

EVERYONE is affected.
Yup everyone affected especially TNB and IPP, laughing all the way to the swiss bank!
Checkout TNB’s revenue and net profit for the last five years. (http://anilnetto.com/economy/energy-resources/tnbs-revenue-profits-for-last-5-years/)

zinglicious
30-05-2011, 09:30 PM
While the rakyat are tightening thier belts, the TNB and IPP are loosening thier ties and belts to party...with higher revenue and profits to be made. :p

jimmyay
30-05-2011, 10:15 PM
My interpretation, bro Jimmy: 75% of people / households will pay same electricity bills, so they are shielded; these 75% however will pay more for their bread and flour and instant noodles and cooking oil and sugar and transportation and gas and....
RAKYAT DIDAHULUKAN, YES!


TNB had calculated that those paying RM77 and below are not affected. I really have doubts in their report...75% are paying less than RM77.
:confused: :confused: :confused:

VeeJay
30-05-2011, 10:35 PM
Means 75% of the domestic comsumers are using not more than 300kWH.

Yeah right, I think average usage for KlangValley is around 600-900kwh

pokemon
30-05-2011, 10:58 PM
Yeah right, I think average usage for KlangValley is around 600-900kwh

It is quite misleading for the every customer usage. If the household is big say got 7 people then sure the usage will be much higher compared with 1 single person staying in a house.

tupai
31-05-2011, 12:18 AM
our canadian fren allurban & wife i believ only spent av. Rm40/mth.
I use more than 10x that but i do get the comfy of aircon dll convenience...so i pay lah for creature pampered, cool 22degree ambiance siang&malam :cool:

Truth be said, The multiplier effects caused by hawkers/shopkeepers/bizzmen will definitely affect >98.5% of the population. The <1.5% earning rm15K and above dont give a flying banana lah :eek:

Cest la vie... methink, Siang Malam mentioned something, somewher b4, 'the majority voted for this gomen anyway' :eek: so, apa nak komplain?

Yang Amat Bo-chup TIU xlatotupai :cool:

ivanhow
31-05-2011, 12:50 AM
What does it mean that 75% of domestic consumer won't be affected?

How much is a glass of coffee (susu) at the good-ol-coffeeshop now?
And, how much is a standard (1+1/2) 'ma' wantan mee?

The standard single portion of fried tai-chow is RM5.50 (gone up 10% just at begin of 2011. Wonder if it's going to go up further before the year is out?

Maybe someone shud start a price-watch of cost of standard foodstuff at the supermarket and compare prices as a function of time to watch inflation.

ivanhow
31-05-2011, 01:03 AM
Yeah right, I think average usage for KlangValley is around 600-900kwh


Must be fully aircon-ed bungalow house to wrack up 600~900 KwH. Maybe better to occupy another two house to divide the cost to bring it below 300KwH - for cost savings :)

Am already screaming out loud if my e-energy consumption shoots beyond 200KwH. Is there an aircon that uses solar power to save my e-bill?

ivanhow
31-05-2011, 01:31 AM
Is it the price of LNG or LPG that is being raised due to subsidy cut that is causing the price of electricity to go up, that the gormen is now trying to 'save'. Come to think of it, it was the gov that encouraged the public including TNB to use GAS (whether it's LNG or LPG) because it was 'cheap'. And, if you remembered, cars, taxis were encouraged to convert (switch) to gas instead of using petrol/diesel to save cost because it was 'cheap', again because of gormen 'subsidy'.

LNG which was in abundance, had to be disposed off and the price of LNG was low because of low demand. Hence, there were gov provided incentive to convert use of petrol to LNG. That same 'cheap' LNG/LPG seemed to have been 'cheat' GAS (http://thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2011/5/23/nation/8736396&sec=nation), now that world price of LpG has gone up, and local demand from TNB has also gone up due to high price of COAL, the ratio of utilisation between GAS (http://thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2011/5/23/nation/8736396&sec=nation) and coal naturally had shifted in favour of GAS (http://thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2011/5/23/nation/8736396&sec=nation), and now gormen is seeing it as runaway subsidy... eyeing on that 'substantial' 'pie' because of gormen 'deficit' spending, not so much as to really use the money to 'social' purposes. That's just an excuse... What subsidy (http://thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2011/5/23/nation/8736396&sec=nation) is the gormen talking about?

Are we beginning to believe what the gormen term as 'subsidy' in a bid to 'eyewash' public opinion??? :D :confused:

Or, is it basically that the gamen had not been transparent enuff about the price of LNG or is it LPG that is being subsidised ??? :confused: How cud it be gamen tryin to encourage use of LNG as an alternative fuel for cars if it wasn't something low in demand, high in supply?

So, if the garmen continued to subsidise the power producers such as TNB, and the IPP by wilfull means, who is to be blamed?

DarkNite
31-05-2011, 08:14 AM
...So, if the garmen continued to subsidise the power producers such as TNB, and the IPP by wilfull means, who is to be blamed?
The gullible and naive voters?

To think that we are paying for EXCESS electricity!

Nobody produces excess electricity like Malaysia and it goes to waste because there are no batteries to store that power. TNB only needs a reserve of 15% to 20%.

fonzie
31-05-2011, 08:45 AM
Electricity usage a consumer can calculate and make adjustments...thanks to TNB's quick dissemination to the ordinary consumers.

However, not much info has been disseminated about gas usage for households. How much would a gas tank now cost..? I think consumers are entitled to know the extent of adjustments/planning one has to take.

The public info so far on gas is something like RM3 per mmBtu....all very Greek to an ordinary bloke. But it is NOT Greek when the words were "increase every 6mths....until it reaches market level". This should be the main concern.

Can some relevant authorities give us the short and simple details...ala TNB's explanations. That's part of corporate responsibility.....I am looking at you Petronas.

What then is the govt's inflation fighting strategy on this? In details please, not just some generalised public announcements that smack of insincerity and incompetence!

Cheers!

VeeJay
31-05-2011, 10:56 AM
Must be fully aircon-ed bungalow house to wrack up 600~900 KwH. Maybe better to occupy another two house to divide the cost to bring it below 300KwH - for cost savings :)

Am already screaming out loud if my e-energy consumption shoots beyond 200KwH. Is there an aircon that uses solar power to save my e-bill?

Hahaha, how I wish! :eek:

Whats your monthly power usage? Mine is normally around 700kwh (household count=4)

termibait
31-05-2011, 11:17 AM
To be exact, how many households in Klang valley is utilizing electriity power which less than 300kwh a.ka. Below Rm77?

M staying in d/s hse wit air conditioning turns on 8-10 hrs a day(panasonic 1.5th inverter), wifi 10hrs, 1 2-door fridge. To save on electricity bill, we are switching on livid hall's light at night when at home. No tv. Only laptop for 4 - 5 hours a day.

My monthly bill is rm160-180.

Electricity, water, and public transport suppliers should be a non profit organization. Just my 2cents worth.

Firefly
31-05-2011, 12:17 PM
Well..time to switch lights off. Aircon will now be a no no. I wonder if there is a diesel powered aircon in the market? :eek:

Where can I get a rebate when those jokers come 40 days instead of 30 days to read the meter?

zinglicious
31-05-2011, 12:46 PM
Mini ster said Mini mal impact only lah - http://thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2011/5/31/nation/8791220&sec=nation

cml
31-05-2011, 01:20 PM
For them of course minimal impact. But for the rest of the population and that includes everyone irrespective of their race, religion, colour and creed will be negatively affected. Even if you are not in the 25% (who will be affected) costs of most things will increase as a result of the people who are affected passing on the increase to the ordinary consumers and that would be practically everyone!!.

RGRaj
31-05-2011, 01:35 PM
Well..time to switch lights off. Aircon will now be a no no. I wonder if there is a diesel powered aircon in the market? :eek:

Where can I get a rebate when those jokers come 40 days instead of 30 days to read the meter?

Diesel oso soon to increase la... ;)

DarkNite
31-05-2011, 01:46 PM
Whilst independent power producers (IPPs) continue to enjoy subsidies, the Rakyat are told can not & are made to pay for the increased cost of gas!

Hopefull
31-05-2011, 04:20 PM
Previously the hike would be on tolls now it is all about subsidies just before the election..the rakyat again are the suckers!.
Its your hard earned money that goes to BNs campaigning. Do please keep voting for the daching :(

Firefly
31-05-2011, 04:29 PM
Ok...will do just that hopefull. At least will know what's coming.

fonzie
31-05-2011, 05:13 PM
Wah...what happened..?....they are having a party at the bursa today....!! :D :D :D

Happy days are here again...?

;) ;) ;)

Cheers!

clfoo
01-06-2011, 11:21 PM
http://thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2006/6/6/business/14432852&sec=business


".....You are entrusted with this responsibility and you carry it out to the best of your ability. I do not want somebody to come and urinate on my grave. In the Malay culture, that is about the worst insult they can do to a man."


ya apanama, ready to take helm as janitory of country most popular public toilet? ... :o

zinglicious
01-06-2011, 11:57 PM
Who are the owners of the IPP? Why are they given the perks especially under the ecomomic planning unit directly under TDM? My salute to Ani for standing up with his principles and powers entrusted to him that was carried out with due responsibility and dililigent. TAbik Spring for a civil servant who should be a leader of the people instead of being put down to makan rumput instead of makan suap. :cool:
Anyway, for the current leadership that the Malaysians choose to elect instead of elak, who is to be blame whenever there is rounds of toll , gas, electrik naik lagi? :rolleyes:
Until today, the current PM said the IPP have noting to gain technically but they cannot reveal anything - probably because that it is under OSA - Official secret Act - SO technically anyone revealing it would get the risk of imprisonment . :eek:
At the same token, I would like to Tabik srping to another distinguised civil servant - Tan Sri Salleh Abbas - the judge for upholding the laws instead of standing down to TDM whims and fancies. Alas, he too was put to makan rumput soon after. :o

ivanhow
02-06-2011, 12:36 AM
...Until today, the current PM said the IPP have noting to gain technically but they cannot reveal anything - probably because that it is under OSA - Official secret Act - SO technically anyone revealing it would get the risk of imprisonment . :eek:

Shud we or shudn't we sack those who manage the country irresponsibly, giving excuses after excuses for not having the done the right things for so many donkey years? :D

zinglicious
02-06-2011, 12:52 AM
Technically - YES! But so far, from sub to plane, Highland Tower to latest landslide, racisr headmitress to cow kicking, who really get sacked? Instead, they are being reposted and even get promoted. :mad:
Instead, those who are doing a good job as illustrated above, are given the sack!!! :mad:

USJ27Resident
02-06-2011, 01:24 AM
http://thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2006/6/6/business/14432852&sec=business :o

Read the article carefully - and be amazed to ONE GLARING POINT that the former PM, the Govt and EPU had actually 'forced' (arm twisted) Tenaga to accepting the EPU/Govt terms as in pruchase pricing from the IPPs...

Best part - EPU is allegedly mentioned as fixing the purchase price of power sold to TNB... :confused: Why is that....

Like hell - we voted the Govt into office only to bleed us [taxpayers] dry...

zinglicious
02-06-2011, 01:32 AM
Nobody knows as it is under OSA - OfficiaL Secret Acts. Those who knows, wont tell because it is no telling when they would be detained. :rolleyes:

Joe Gomez
04-06-2011, 02:40 PM
Hi Guys,
Can help or not?

If I run some electric 1000 W thingamajig for a 24 hrs stretch for a whole month, what will I pay TNB?

Is it realistic to use similar calculations when choosing between a 60W and a 150W bulb?

Thank you

cskok8
04-06-2011, 05:35 PM
1 kw x 24 hour x 30 = 720 kwh

Joe Gomez
04-06-2011, 10:16 PM
1 kw x 24 hour x 30 = 720 kwh
TQ cskok8
but 2 questions if u dont mind pls.
1 ) why multiply by 30?
2 ) 720 kwh translates to what in terms of "units" as shown in TNB bill?

Thanks for yr patience sir.
Allah will reward you abundantly in this life itself for helping to educate a clueless guy like me :D

DarkNite
05-06-2011, 08:35 AM
TQ cskok8
but 2 questions if u dont mind pls.
1 ) why multiply by 30? Cos you've mention 'whole month' aka 30 days
2 ) 720 kwh translates to what in terms of "units" as shown in TNB bill?

Thanks for yr patience sir.
Allah will reward you abundantly in this life itself for helping to educate a clueless guy like me :D
As per the new tariff for residential > http://www.tnb.com.my/tnb/residential/pricing-and-tariff/tariff-rates.html

For the first 200 kWh@0.218sen is RM43.60 and
next 100kWh@0.334sen is RM33.40
next 100kWh@0.400sen is RM40.00
next 100kWh@0.402sen is RM40.20
next 100kWh@0.416sen is RM41.60
next 100kWh@0.426sen is RM42.60
so total for 700kWh is RM241.40
Balance 20kWh@0.437sen is RM8.74
Total bill payment is RM250.15 (+1sen for round up!) :D

My calculation korek or not?

Naka
05-06-2011, 11:11 AM
Domestic power is getting more and more expensive too here.

[WA households to pay $215 more for power
Wednesday, March 10th, 2010

Following last year’s staggering 25 per cent increase in residential electricity prices, the WA Government this week announced a 7.5 per cent rise in electricity tariffs from 1 April 2010 followed by a further 10 per cent increase on July 1st.]


http://www.switchwise.com.au/blogs/index.php/tag/perth/

DarkNite
05-06-2011, 12:20 PM
Domestic power is getting more and more expensive too here.

WA households to pay $215 more for power
....
To me, if the gomen is efficient & not profiteering at the expense of the consumer I'm ok with the increase.

BTW this round of increase is not 7% to my household but in the range of 38%, how about yours for those staying in Malaysia?

tupai
05-06-2011, 12:41 PM
2 aircon x 8hr, 2fridges x24 hr, energy saving lights all around av 5hrs/nite, 2 fans x 14hrs, 3x/wk ironing (i think), internet x 3pcs average 6hrs each, Tv hardly on maybe 3hrs a day, every morn washing mach...so agak agak
Between 400-800+/-kwh - so btw Rm110-250/mth. ( this 1 ah, depending & no counting the days & weeks when every1&1dog lepak in LOS leh:p

bottom line, ayam suppose ayam can afford the 7% increase by...hmmmm... merely drinking 1 less pint of Guinness stout per nite lah :cool: Ok, mai pen rai...

But waitaminit, waht about the multiplier effect and the escalating profiteering culture of MOST bizzmen/hawkers/cofishop...barang semo naik harga OoOooOooo....
:eek: :eek: :eek: gaji xlak naik ooooOOOooooo! :eek: :eek:

Yang Amat Broke leow T.I.U. xlatotupai

cskok8
05-06-2011, 12:58 PM
TQ cskok8
but 2 questions if u dont mind pls.
1 ) why multiply by 30?
2 ) 720 kwh translates to what in terms of "units" as shown in TNB bill?

Thanks for yr patience sir.
Allah will reward you abundantly in this life itself for helping to educate a clueless guy like me :D

1 kwh = 1 "unit". 1 month = 30 days (4 x a year)

DarkNite
05-06-2011, 01:10 PM
...
Between 400-800+/-kwh - so btw Rm110-250/mth...

bottom line, ayam suppose ayam can afford the 7% increase by...

Yang Amat Broke leow T.I.U. xlatotupai
Yang Amat Broke leow T.I.U. xlatotupai, sure boh you increase is only 7%?

tupai
05-06-2011, 02:44 PM
Yang Amat Broke leow T.I.U. xlatotupai, sure boh you increase is only 7%?

Darknite...not sure lah..gotta wait for next month punya bil...then adjust lah...better NOT be more than cutting down 2 guinness stouts per outing X 3 x/week! :eek:

~ Being sober wont take away the co$t-mi$ery even for a mo ~ Unquote from a poor Sage. :p

on a serious note, methink agakagak, this 7% electric bill increase will compound to approx 10-20% cost-push inflation/increase in price of finished goods & services, anything from fresh produce to chup fun! Dont play play. :eek: :eek: I REALLY kesian those with MPI <rm2000/mth with kids in tow.

Yang Amat Bloke ToonIstimewaUtama xlatotupai :cool:

ng
06-06-2011, 04:30 AM
2

But waitaminit, waht about the multiplier effect and the escalating profiteering culture of MOST bizzmen/hawkers/cofishop...barang semo naik harga OoOooOooo....


The problem is ... the govt hire people who don't study economics. ;)

Joe Gomez
06-06-2011, 01:52 PM
As per the new tariff for residential > http://www.tnb.com.my/tnb/residential/pricing-and-tariff/tariff-rates.html

For the first 200 kWh@0.218sen is RM43.60 and
next 100kWh@0.334sen is RM33.40
next 100kWh@0.400sen is RM40.00
next 100kWh@0.402sen is RM40.20
next 100kWh@0.416sen is RM41.60
next 100kWh@0.426sen is RM42.60
so total for 700kWh is RM241.40
Balance 20kWh@0.437sen is RM8.74
Total bill payment is RM250.15 (+1sen for round up!) :D

My calculation korek or not?
Thank you very much DarkNite

Joe Gomez
06-06-2011, 01:53 PM
1 kwh = 1 "unit". 1 month = 30 days (4 x a year)
Thank you very much cskok8

ivanhow
08-06-2011, 12:15 AM
Hahaha, how I wish! :eek:

Whats your monthly power usage? Mine is normally around 700kwh (household count=4)
TNB waited till last day of May to issue me the e-bill, and for the last 42 days, the e-meter clocked 394 KwH. Hence for 30 days, my e-meter pro-rated usage might look like 281 KwH. 81 units above my target. Looks like I must be more concious of my e-usage to clock it below 200. :) :p That's without air-cond :D M looking for solar-power air-cond to install. :cool:

ivanhow
08-06-2011, 12:17 AM
Hi Guys,
Can help or not?

If I run some electric 1000 W thingamajig for a 24 hrs stretch for a whole month, what will I pay TNB?

Is it realistic to use similar calculations when choosing between a 60W and a 150W bulb?

Thank you
Is it cheaper to boil the same amount of water with Gas or with TNB's e-nergy?

DarkNite
08-06-2011, 07:21 AM
Is it cheaper to boil the same amount of water with Gas or with TNB's e-nergy?
Most definitely with gas!

aursong
08-06-2011, 09:48 AM
Most definitely with gas!

Water heather for bathing too if you have one :D :D :D

DarkNite
08-06-2011, 06:58 PM
Water heather for bathing too if you have one :D :D :D
Gas water Heater...ah yes. Reminds me of my studies days in oversea, wet & shivering to feed the gas meter cos didn't remember to feed it before take a bath!
Hardly see these things being sold around any more.

SiangMalam
08-06-2011, 07:07 PM
China has cut electricity supply in the day time by 3-4 hours because of power shortage due to coal supply shortfall. Price of steam coal has not come down despite the fact it is now summer, which is usually the case! And coal supply from the coalmines in Queensland is still not back to normal after the recent flood....