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pokemon
19-05-2011, 08:44 AM
Not all SPM achievers who scored all A+ will be given full scholarship as promised by BN.

http://thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2011/5/19/nation/8714415&sec=nation

zinglicious
19-05-2011, 08:53 AM
1 Malaysia 10 Flips 100 Flops. 1 Malaysia 2 Laws 3 Implementations
Therefore, different strokes for different folks in Bolehland with Sapu Malaysia. :p

cml
19-05-2011, 09:33 AM
I just saw a pig fly past my window just now. Its true I swear !!

DarkNite
19-05-2011, 11:52 AM
Not all SPM achievers who scored all A+ will be given full scholarship as promised by BN.

http://thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2011/5/19/nation/8714415&sec=nation
Now we know who is actually running the country!
From the statement most definitely not the Cabinet!

Rhiga
19-05-2011, 01:19 PM
Read their lips carefully...

They said – all full A achievers will be given JPA scholarships.

They skip the most important part of the “promise” – no mention of overseas or local scholarship !! :mad:

I can assure you – they will be many full A achievers (surprisingly most of them come from a specific race) being awarded JPA scholarships but in local varsities, and worse is in the 2nd grade local varsity like those varsity branches in other states…

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For those top achievers who can’t finacially afford overseas studies, my sincere advice to you is - if you still want to pursue in local varsity for undergraduate course, pls bite the bullet for financial difficulty. It is less than RM10k per year, apply study assitance from charitable foundation like Kuok Foundation, or apply a loan to finance yourself.

DO NOT ACCEPT THE JPA SCHOLARSHIP AND BONDED IN YOUR GOLDERN YOUNG AGE.

With the undergraduate degree (it will be better if it is a 1st class or at least an honors degree), you can explore opportunity to further post-graduate degree overseas, either fully funded or partially funded.

zinglicious
19-05-2011, 05:04 PM
When these students are graduated when funded by private or foreign institutional, do you think they would come back?
One of my ex staff sister, got fully frunded by the Singaporean Govt for her brilliant SPM result and economic condition. She has just graduated this year and Her Father advice - Stay Put for career there and just come back for holidays!

zinglicious
20-05-2011, 09:23 AM
http://thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2011/5/20/nation/8722693&sec=nation

I wonder how come officers can ignore directives from the govt as civil servants.

cskok8
20-05-2011, 12:01 PM
This is just the annual wayang kulit to show how good the MCA is in helping Chinese students get scholarships. :mad:

pokemon
20-05-2011, 05:04 PM
Why so much of frustration over such scholarship? It shows how inefficient the current practice of scholarship awarding process. Those KPIs showing the govt bodies are doing well in meeting KPI are all bullshit then.

burntan
20-05-2011, 06:00 PM
This is just the annual wayang kulit to show how good the MCA is in helping Chinese students get scholarships. :mad:

Yup, it is sad that the only channel open to appeal is via MCA.

zinglicious
21-05-2011, 12:49 AM
That is why is called MCA - Malaysian Chinese Agency to submit forms for appeal.

zinglicious
24-05-2011, 10:47 AM
Now MIC join into the wagon with the appeals with 300 complaints. http://thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2011/5/24/nation/8744682&sec=nation

cml
24-05-2011, 11:02 AM
Actually no need to appeal. go and apply to study in spore. I think spore can easily take a few hundred of the top scorers with open arms.

zinglicious
24-05-2011, 11:47 AM
Just thinking aloud. What happen to the His Education Minister? This is the time he should be the first to come up with statement regarding this fisaco of 1 Malaysia Rakyat didahulukan, Respond diutamakan. Hello? :confused:

DarkNite
24-05-2011, 11:58 AM
Actually no need to appeal. go and apply to study in spore. I think spore can easily take a few hundred of the top scorers with open arms.
If S'pore ensure & continue sponsoring these Top SPM candidates a place in tertiary institute the brain would be torrential! :D

cml
24-05-2011, 01:18 PM
PSD not under him so there is nothing he can do like what he said of the head master who made racists remarks. He dont have power it seems!

Hopefull
24-05-2011, 02:26 PM
Lots of complaining and whining, so have you got a solution for this issue?

zinglicious
24-05-2011, 03:31 PM
Yes, the power of vote the befitting people to sit in the office. And it starts with get being a registered voter and ensure we are able to cross the ballot paper. ;)

burntan
25-05-2011, 09:01 AM
Hmm... the merit consideration is only based on the top 9 subjects, so if student A score 13A+ while student B only score 9A+, they are consider equally good. In this case the award selection will based on some other criteria... like rich/poor, urban/rural ...etc

Fair?

jimmyay
25-05-2011, 02:22 PM
Hmm... the merit consideration is only based on the top 9 subjects, so if student A score 13A+ while student B only score 9A+, they are consider equally good. In this case the award selection will based on some other criteria... like rich/poor, urban/rural ...etc

Fair?

Fairness is really a difficult thing to judge.
We have to go back to our initial Objective of Scholarship. Once objective is right, then the implementation is fairer. It should gives to well-deserving smart students with the need of assistance for further studies. Multiple criteria with point system need to be cover to come out with ideal situation.

cml
25-05-2011, 03:06 PM
If there is a point scoring system which is very transparently administered then it can resolve most problems but it has to be made known by everyone concerned and publicised. Academic performance may form 70 percent of the points. family background, another 10 percent, race another 10 percent, and extra curricular activities another 10. Whatever the criteria made it be known so that people will know exactly where they stand but i guess if that day happens malaysia will be a different place from what it is today,

leetickseng
25-05-2011, 03:42 PM
To me, only and only the needy poor who has shown outstanding academic results deserve these scholarships/loans, and certainly not to every top student in the country. These days you can see many wealthy ones also enjoying these public funds.

jimmyay
25-05-2011, 03:47 PM
Objective, Law, Criteria, Enforcement, Transparency.

Currently, the rakyat is like at their mercy. Every year complain, appeal, complain, appeal. They want to show you who is in power. As if, we complete our monthly job, but still we have to beg for our salary every month again...and again.

zinglicious
26-05-2011, 04:30 AM
The govt much talk about transparency in Pemandu. But where is the transparency in the selection? Is there any list of scholarships names being published? I think the names should be published for the records of achievement in getting the monies. Who knows, it might be some Datuks off springs who are in dire needs of such funds?

Jennylim
26-05-2011, 02:10 PM
To me, only and only the needy poor who has shown outstanding academic results deserve these scholarships/loans, and certainly not to every top student in the country. These days you can see many wealthy ones also enjoying these public funds.

sadly, there are rich ones who got the scholarship but gave up because the offer not good enough! These peoples denial the ones who really need the money. During my Uni days, I came across course mates whose parent provide trishaw transportation for a living. To the poor, even RM1000 is a big amount.

cml
26-05-2011, 02:26 PM
Thats where the criteria for giving out the scholarships have to be made known. If the scholarships are only to be given to the needy and the gifted then it should be made known from the start. For some of these 'well to do' types it is not so much about the money but rather than the fact that they are able to get it because of their abilities. There may be some scholarships given by companies who may expect to get candidates who are exceptional in their abilities and they may not have their parents means as a criteria. Some may even prefer to have their scholarship holders come from stable families, not necessarily wealthy. But by and large the number of scholarships coming from the private sector are measly to say the least. For a big corporation giving out 5 scholarships are nothing if they have employees running into thousands or even tens of thousands. Instead of recruiting from the market they should try to develop their own resources in the long run and not many of them are actively doing that. Corporate malaysia will only do things to get into the limelight. A ytl or genting or hong leong can easily sustain 10 foreign scholarships and maybe 50 local scholarships. I dont know what they actually give out now but i am pretty sure it is not even near those numbers.

SiangMalam
26-05-2011, 03:06 PM
You deserve the government you voted for! Vote wisely the next time, that is, if you are registered lah, if you are not, only God can help you....

You get humiliated, insulted, downtrodden, your children get shot at, your man get beaten up at road blocks, they call you pendatang and si sepet and si botol, and all deragotary names, and you still year in year out vote for them!?

I think you deserve the government you pangkah for! :mad:

leetickseng
26-05-2011, 03:57 PM
What is the only purpose of awarding public scholarships in the first place? I can't see any other reason other than to assist the needy and gifted ones to fulfill their dreams. I don't think it's right to waste public funds purely as free rewards for all top scorers. Year in and year out for too long, the same old issue re-appears. If the selection process is not re-engineered for greater transparency, then I can bet we will face the same problem again. Only in this country, if you think you deserve one and yet rejected for no apparent reason, you need a PM or some MCA or MIC minister to champion it, why?

Jennylim
27-05-2011, 09:51 AM
According to one of the local newspapers, 42 bumi or Malay given scholarship based on result, 258 were given to non-bumi/Malay in the same category.

Now I see why MOE can only allow 0.3% Chinese language candidates get A+ in the exam. This is the only way to reduce the number of straight A+ students from minority group!

chookyan
27-05-2011, 10:02 AM
You deserve the government you voted for! Vote wisely the next time, that is, if you are registered lah, if you are not, only God can help you....

You get humiliated, insulted, downtrodden, your children get shot at, your man get beaten up at road blocks, they call you pendatang and si sepet and si botol, and all deragotary names, and you still year in year out vote for them!?

I think you deserve the government you pangkah for! :mad:

Well said - SiangMalam - for some just for RM50 and a umbrella and a bottle of water - sells away their future for CHANGE :rolleyes:

SiangMalam
27-05-2011, 12:24 PM
Lots of complaining and whining, so have you got a solution for this issue?
If you understand the issues behind the abuse of the PSD / JPA scholarships, you will not call it complaining and whining! Pls be more responsible in your comments. If you have a kid with 9A+ and get offered to do Diploma in English at Sultan Idris College at Kuala Kangsar and her classmate with 4A+ goes to the USofA to do Medicine, how would you feel?

I don't have kids at this age but I feel it is also my duty to fight this abuse of the PSD/JPA scholarship abuse by the Little Napoleons who year-in and year-out undermine the educationa system and destroy the dreams of parents and their deserving children alike!

I am fighting for the JPA scholarhsips to be rid of racial considerations! Selections based on meritocracy! Why not join me? :rolleyes:

Rhiga
27-05-2011, 12:45 PM
I just get too pissed of this annual affair.. seriously, too F#^ing mad.

I personally felt this F#^ing discriminating policy in 1985.

I got 7A (6A1 and 1A2) in SPM. Not to blow my own trumpet, to get more than 6A in the 80s is something..

I failed to get any scholarships, local or abroad from JPA and the Melaka state gomen (Yayasan Melaka). I applied a study loan from Kuok Foundation which eventually became a grant as I obtained honors for my undergraduate degree.

The anger of this unfair, distorted and discriminated policy continue until now… and I believe those who are denied by this gomen will know what to do when they are capable to stand on their own..

SiangMalam
27-05-2011, 12:55 PM
And year in year out there are so many idiots out there who think this is a small issue, no point complaining and whining, these are the ppl who perpetuated this problem.

I too Sagamihara-san! I got 2As, a B and a C plus a 2 for my GP for my HSC and couldn't even get a JPA or NS state scholarhip and my buddy Sudirman (yes the singer Sudirman) who has worse results was in law faculty and enjoying a Petronas scholarship.... and not to mention the many hundreds of others I get to know later in campus.

I finally became a Boustead scholar with a scholarship from them and they released me from a service bond later because of my 2nd Upper Class honours!

jan tomaswaki
27-05-2011, 05:25 PM
I totally sokong you,those buggers in charge of awarding the schlarship should be SACK,so that next time it would not happen again.

SiangMalam
27-05-2011, 07:28 PM
I totally sokong you,those buggers in charge of awarding the schlarship should be SACK,so that next time it would not happen again.
They have been doing it for years actually, those Little Napoleons wouldn't dare risk their Superscale G Job Grades without some greenlight / instructions from higher-ups lah.... some racist fellas are pulling the puppet strings.... MCA only try to capitalise as the hero in the appeal process but some Tuan (as in keTUANan) must be calling them shots!

Imagine thousands of shattered dreams and disappointed parents and destroyed future of the non-Bumiputra brightest kids over so many years! :mad:

zinglicious
28-05-2011, 02:10 AM
Nobody is gonna get sacked or punished. Maybe just a slap on the wrist. Anyone with the blessings of higher up would gets promotion on transfer eventually either they are civil servants or not. it is the ugly truth. :p
On the scholarship woes, why is that hard to publish the list of names of successful applicants in the newspapers? We would then find out how many A's they have and where they are send too. More important, we would know who are the parents either thery are Datuks or Mentri would cant afford to send thier offspring without scholarships fundings.

zinglicious
28-05-2011, 02:31 AM
Here comes the Flips from the Flop man himself. - Not all on sekolahship would be sent to overseas. But I beg to ask who are the ones sent to over the seas to East malaysia universities and those who are sent to overseas?
Students that are likely to excel based on thier results or based on hunches or lunches by the officers at PSD?
http://thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2011/5/27/nation/20110527203907&sec=nation
If the Grades are used to determined excellence in the studies, what are the grading systems used for those who are send to over the seas or overseas?

cml
28-05-2011, 08:49 AM
Their exit strategy is always the interview. They can always say that the applicants did very badly in the interview and that is mighty subjective. They can then say anything they want. Because of that they have the right and authority to reject any applicant irrespective of their results. No one will be punished, not even a slap on the wrist because it is all sanctioned from the top. The reason why they need or have to lower the standards is so that instead of 300 brilliant students who would score straight a's , and them coming mostly from one race, they would lower the standards and have 20 thousand students with straight a's which would then increase the pool from which they can choose. The 300 will still get their straight a's but now they have anopther 19700 to choose from and those 300 would not stand a chance if the interviews are to be taken into consideration. Thats how they have been doing it so parents dont get too excited about your children getting straight a's, no dispect to those who are really good but it is a strategy no doubt to 'justify' their award of these scholarships and they have covered their rears in doing so. They can announce anything but they have the means to circumvent the political bull. I suppose many would not realise this and take whatever they say at face value but with people like that, do not ever take them at their words.

Hopefull
28-05-2011, 12:01 PM
Only children of members of bn political parties will get scholarships, so you know what to do if you want your child to recieve a scholarship even with poor grades.

tupai
28-05-2011, 12:20 PM
all of us are in the same boat. Mai pen rai!
My DINOSAUR MCE of 6As 3Bs = 9 0'levels (kwailoh in london tot i was Einstein's asian brudder lah! serius tu :p and HSC results of 3As and 2 Bs got me nothing but 2 years of working as a junior Motoring Journo (Asian Auto & then Auto International) before saving up enuff to go to UK@ own steam. :cool: but tats anuther cerita lah.

And my other privileged classmates? HHAHAHA...they my friends lah...they got the benefit$, as many ikut-perintah-idiots in the Ed Dept under the unwritten instructions of the political masters, gave 'em what to me was a 1st tiket to financial & no-responsibility freedom. wat2do then?

So, how now? We (the not so privileged to get freebies) do what we can and push for a MAJOR change lah. In mindset, in governance, in perspective and in life. Q.E.D. :cool:

Yang Amat Bertuah T.I.U. xlatottupai :D

SiangMalam
28-05-2011, 01:20 PM
Only children of members of bn political parties will get scholarships, so you know what to do if you want your child to recieve a scholarship even with poor grades.
Thats not the right advice to dish out... asking ppl to join BN just for the kids to get scholarships, you are going to join the abuse and the robbing the rakyat blind? I am sickened by attitudes like this esp from one who fought to hard about the bibles to be released from Port Klang customs! :mad:

We must all fight tooth and nail and correct the abuses even if it means we have to sacrifice something! Cheh, how can join such despicable scam to fleece the rakyat! :mad:

zinglicious
28-05-2011, 05:52 PM
What have political parties go to do with disatisfaction scholarship dispensing? Why are they holding the meeting for these tea parties? Are the mentri son or dato daughter not getting the oversea sekolahship or what?
I thought scholarships are meant to ensure poor students get financial aids to pursue further studies and they would be an assets to the country in future by becoming leaders to pay the income taxes and continue to aid the scholarships program to ensure sustainability of such scheme.
Why is a scheme for ruling political parties in the taxpayer monies to dispense sekolahships in favour or fears of political parties unhappiness? http://thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2011/5/28/nation/20110528171050&sec=nation
Yang tak bersekolahslip jadi yak tak paham. :p

zinglicious
02-06-2011, 12:22 AM
An update on the sekolahship where 86 students with excellent results are given tp pursue courses across the seas if there are from East Malaysia or vice versa if they are from West Malaysia.
Womdering aloud what happens to the rest where there is at least 300 more who have excellent results? Meanwhile, those having x rated results still gets over to overseas to study animation at Disneyland or to study drama school at NYU where Lady Gaga graduated from.

zinglicious
07-06-2011, 01:46 PM
Academic Aces is suppose to go places but they end up at here at home through 1MDB grants isntead of the PSD scholarship. http://news.asiaone.com/News/AsiaOne%2BNews/Malaysia/Story/A1Story20110607-282680.html

While the rest who go places to NYU or Disneyland would return home after graduation after the sekolahsip grants may be part of statistic of 90% unemployed graduates. Why are the Black Jacks of Spade gets these perks and who are they? :confused:

Rhiga
07-06-2011, 02:46 PM
I have said many times - not getting what you want sometimes can be a blessing..

Enjoying overseas campus life at tax payers money certainly is something to be proud of, but not getting it is not end of the world...

I fell so sad and cannot understand why those who failed to get their desired course willing to accept second choice..

It is a matter of patience, the most is a few years later...

Many of them just accept what the gomen give to them and THE WORST PART IS - they are bonded with easily 5-7 years after the undergraduate course, for the second choice (the degree choice and the varisty choice) given to them as a mercy... :mad:

You all deserved better future, be patient and get it from somewhere else, or thru other ways..

SiangMalam
07-06-2011, 02:59 PM
Yeah Sagamihara-san.... like slogging it our out 3 hours a day as a barista at Starbucks.... its big money and a wealth of experience and exposure! :D

Jennylim
08-06-2011, 10:22 AM
her classmate with 4A+ goes to the USofA to do Medicine, how would you feel?

:rolleyes:

That's a lot of money, 4 years for first degree, another 4 years for medicine!1 mil also not enough!

Naka
08-06-2011, 10:30 AM
With all your A's go down South to that little dot and apply their scholarship & prepare to work there for a certain period after graduating.

I know of people who did this & are successful.

zinglicious
13-06-2011, 08:58 PM
http://thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2011/6/13/nation/20110613134913&sec=nation

Nazri said the showlist torreveal who are the recipients of sekolahship would not be made public as it does not served much purpose. The transperancy dose not mean much as there are many criterias being used who gets to go overseas or just over the seas to Penang, and East Malaysia or vice versa.
Now for the scholarship contestant question? - How do you work toward to get the prize? How to you play the game without knowing the rules and regulations of the game? Do you kick it or throw it with your hands?

ivanhow
14-06-2011, 01:30 AM
When you have too much of something it become less of a value. Just like diamond when every piece of stone you walk on is a piece of diamond, then it's value diminishes.

Therefore, when you can find it just anywhere, it's value diminishes.
The number of "9A" graders have increased year-after-year till it's become a valueless commodity. Just like inflation when there is too much wealth chasing after too few goods, we have too much "9A" graders chasing too few scholarships. One wonders whether all the "A" graders really deserve an "A" or only a portion of it really deserve an "A". Or is it because of trying to award "A" grades lavishly?

When we have two different systems of marking, one wonders whether the two system of marking is really equivalent, hence the value of one over the other too will be in question.

Although this guy who wrote about the real challenge in the scholarship issue (http://thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2011/6/12/focus/8883236&sec=focus) do make some sense, yet I wonder whether it could be implemented 'lock-stock-barrel'?

zinglicious
14-06-2011, 08:17 AM
It seems that the govt refused to change the MAS syndrome instead of creating a flat aerodrome runway to clear pathway and avoid any misunderstanding or abuse of power from tenders to sekolahships.
It is always MAS - Mana Ada Sistem or Mesti Ada Saudara. :mad:

Rhiga
14-06-2011, 11:03 AM
When we have two different systems of marking, one wonders whether the two system of marking is really equivalent, hence the value of one over the other too will be in question.



There is no need to wonder..

It is not equivalent .. that's why it is used.

Period.

ivanhow
14-06-2011, 12:42 PM
There is no need to wonder..

It is not equivalent .. that's why it is used.

Period.If it's 100% equivalent, why have two.
Although it cannot be 100% equivalent, yet it is has never been admitted by those in charge. Hence Malaysians must ask that the two systems be removed in favour of a single system of evaluation. But non of our parliamentarians are even touching on this aspect.

Jennylim
14-06-2011, 05:24 PM
Therefore, when you can find it just anywhere, it's value diminishes.
The number of "9A" graders have increased year-after-year till it's become a valueless commodity. Just like inflation when there is too much wealth chasing after too few goods, we have too much "9A" graders chasing too few scholarships. One wonders whether all the "A" graders really deserve an "A" or only a portion of it really deserve an "A". Or is it because of trying to award "A" grades lavishly?



What's wrong with some Malaysians, just because PSD can not do a proper job, the poor hardworking students get insulted for doing well?

BTW, the issue was about 9A+ , not 9Alah! There are not that many of them. I believe only those have done well in school exams are able to get A+ in SPM. And the number of oversea scholarships available is more than enough to cover all of them, yes all of them!

Jennylim
14-06-2011, 05:45 PM
A friend's daughter got straight As for her SPM, but only 4 of the subjects are A+. She said it took her 7months to prepare for the exam. She was very very serious, did a lot of past year questions and exercises, pasted notes all over the house and with her goal statement pasted on the windows. She attended tuition for almost all the subjects. She believe she didn't get the As by luck. She worked for them and deserved the result.

Another candidate I knew, he gets A+ for SPM English, under GCE O level grading standard, he gets 1A, under American standard, he gets something around 88%.

I think A+ is a respectable result.

ivanhow
15-06-2011, 01:25 AM
What's wrong with some Malaysians, just because PSD can not do a proper job, the poor hardworking students get insulted for doing well?

BTW, the issue was about 9A+ , not 9Alah! There are not that many of them. I believe only those have done well in school exams are able to get A+ in SPM. And the number of oversea scholarships available is more than enough to cover all of them, yes all of them!OK 9A+ :p
Students who did A+ in all subjects certainly deserve credit as much as students who did A+ in all subjects including additional non-core subjects.

But, does the criteria for scholarship distinguish between a student who scores A+ in 8 of the core subjects, and an A+ in a non-core subject (such as religion for example), against a student who scored A+ in all nine core subjects? :confused:

DarkNite
15-06-2011, 09:33 AM
But, does the criteria for scholarship distinguish between a student who scores A+ in 8 of the core subjects, and an A+ in a non-core subject (such as religion for example), against a student who scored A+ in all nine core subjects? :confused:
It is the number of subjects vs number of A+ obtained, no consideration for core or non.
Example
Student Sam takes 10 subjects (9 core + 1 religion paper), he scores 9 A+ and obtained an A for his religion paper will not be better (9 over 10 is 90%) than Student Bee who score 9 A+ out of 9 subjects, ( 9 over 9 is 100%)
Which is why we have many complaints on the standard of marking for certain subjects.
Read the 4th comment >> http://www.malaysia-today.net/archives/archives-2011/40212-psd-scholarships-for-spm-top-scorers

ivanhow
15-06-2011, 01:46 PM
It is the number of subjects vs number of A+ obtained, no consideration for core or non.
Example
Student Sam takes 10 subjects (9 core + 1 religion paper), he scores 9 A+ and obtained an A for his religion paper will not be better (9 over 10 is 90%) than Student Bee who score 9 A+ out of 9 subjects, ( 9 over 9 is 100%)
Which is why we have many complaints on the standard of marking for certain subjects.
Read the 4th comment >> http://www.malaysia-today.net/archives/archives-2011/40212-psd-scholarships-for-spm-top-scorers
In as much as 9/10 is no better than 9/9, yet someone might argue that the denominator is of no significance and can even be 9/17. It's really difficult to please everyone. If I'm in the MOE I will also pengsan liow!! :confused:

Now, one might argue that taking too may subjects is like giving someone more darts to throw at the board. Chances are one might get more strikes at the bull's eye with more darts. Fully agree. But then someone may say, those who take more subjects have more capacity and hence is able to master them and score while another may argue that it gives him/her more choices when making an application to the institution of higher learning.

Both arguments are just as valid. But then how do you draw a line as to what is the right number of subjects one shud take, or what shud the criteria be based on?

Rhiga
15-06-2011, 02:19 PM
In as much as 9/10 is no better than 9/9, yet someone might argue that the denominator is of no significance and can even be 9/17. It's really difficult to please everyone. If I'm in the MOE I will also pengsan liow!! :confused:

Now, one might argue that taking too may subjects is like giving someone more darts to throw at the board. Chances are one might get more strikes at the bull's eye with more darts. Fully agree. But then someone may say, those who take more subjects have more capacity and hence is able to master them and score while another may argue that it gives him/her more choices when making an application to the institution of higher learning.

Both arguments are just as valid. But then how do you draw a line as to what is the right number of subjects one shud take, or what shud the criteria be based on?


Do you have personal experience being rejected by JPA or other government agencies in scholarships application, and you possessed all the necessary academic requirements, and you are in the top 3% of the students in your state ??

If you have, mind sharing how you felt at that moment when you failed to get what you want, and how you feel now after so many years ??

If you don’t have such experience (maybe due to your academic result or you can afford the tertiary education fee yourself), then perhaps it is good you don’t write something that yourself are not sure..

Cheers

ivanhow
15-06-2011, 03:38 PM
Do you have personal experience being rejected by JPA or other government agencies in scholarships application, and you possessed all the necessary academic requirements, and you are in the top 3% of the students in your state ??

If you have, mind sharing how you felt at that moment when you failed to get what you want, and how you feel now after so many years ??

If you don’t have such experience (maybe due to your academic result or you can afford the tertiary education fee yourself), then perhaps it is good you don’t write something that yourself are not sure..

Cheers
Hello Sagamihara san :) , why get so worked up just over a question for discussion? It's just for discussion. Of course if you are one of the top 3%, you would be very upset and dissatisfied, just like anyone else would. Here, we try and put our rational thinking minds to reason out what are the causes of the dissatisfaction, and perhaps make some proposals for the MOE to consider in order that such dissatisfaction do not arise. Kawan, we just discuss lar!

Rhiga
15-06-2011, 03:54 PM
Hello Sagamihara san :) , why get so worked up just over a question for discussion? It's just for discussion..... Kawan, we just discuss lar!


ivanhow,

I am not stressed up because of your question, I just want to tell you that this never-ending yearly blunders, whether administrative blunders or selection/award errors have been there for decades, and all these blunders are the symptoms of a root cause – an unfair and a non-merit based educational policy..


Cheers :)

tupai
15-06-2011, 04:10 PM
Many As so what? More than enuff students are scoring string of As..the bolehland standard is SOOOO embarassingly LOW lah. G

Wanna be a real smart aleck? GO study 'O' or 'A' level and compete against the rest of the world . And the top wolrd colleges will pursue your precious with grants, schilarship etc... Else, be jaguh kampong with worthless String of bolehland 'A's?

BTW, The fees will drop soon for this...there are now 31 medical colleges in bolehland...MORE than UK! :eek:

Any halfbaked, 'A'-regurgitating, zero EQ spm or metric or stpm students can now be doctor in a country with 26million population!

so its BETTER some of the poor sod parents get their precious to be a scholarship'd dentist lah! Better $$$ prospect$ :cool:

A vvvv respectable specialist doctor (his wife also doctor. 2 sons also doctors. Daughters in law also doctors) single-malted and chatted with me that he told his teenage grandchildren NOT to be a doctor anymore! And that soon in the future, there will be el-cheapo low standard doctors paying touts to solicit business in the streets! :eek: :eek:

Yang Ada Berhormati Old School doctors TIU xlattoupai :cool:

currymee
15-06-2011, 04:22 PM
Many As so what? More than enuff students are scoring string of As..the bolehland standard is SOOOO embarassingly LOW lah. G

Wanna be a real smart aleck? GO study 'O' or 'A' level and compete against the rest of the world . And the top wolrd colleges will pursue your precious with grants, schilarship etc... Else, be jaguh kampong with worthless String of bolehland 'A's?

BTW, The fees will drop soon for this...there are now 31 medical colleges in bolehland...MORE than UK! :eek:

Any halfbaked, 'A'-regurgitating, zero EQ spm or metric or stpm students can now be doctor in a country with 26million population!

so its BETTER some of the poor sod parents get their precious to be a scholarship'd dentist lah! Better $$$ prospect$ :cool:

A vvvv respectable specialist doctor (his wife also doctor. 2 sons also doctors. Daughters in law also doctors) single-malted and chatted with me that he told his teenage grandchildren NOT to be a doctor anymore! And that soon in the future, there will be el-cheapo low standard doctors paying touts to solicit business in the streets! :eek: :eek:

Yang Ada Berhormati Old School doctors TIU xlattoupai :cool:

Hehehee ... better be a TUITION TEACHER to teach all these rich kids lah ... :D :D :D

ivanhow
15-06-2011, 05:05 PM
ivanhow,

I am not stressed up because of your question, I just want to tell you that this never-ending yearly blunders, whether administrative blunders or selection/award errors have been there for decades, and all these blunders are the symptoms of a root cause – an unfair and a non-merit based educational policy..


Cheers :)
Your anger over such injustice is justified. Yet, it will still continue to persist, giving excuses like number increased, etc... etc...

So, we keep giving them ideas on how to handle them till they are fedup with ideas. Hopefully they will then reveal all the 'secret' criteria. This year they revealed the breakdown of scholarships. Let's just keep up the pressure for more transparency...

But, I believe it's not 'blunders' per se. More like a sickness.. or a syndrom .. or a systemic disease probably. There are many variables that are left undefined, and it's up to those in charge to decide on the criteria, so much so, it's 'not wrong' whenever it surfaced. Even the cabinet seems powerless at times when making policy changes, and appear to not punish those in charge for those 'blunders'. So, we need to keep probing till they reveal the existing criterea in full, and then hopefully some smart person can prescribe the remedy to the sickness we have been living with.

DarkNite
15-06-2011, 09:19 PM
so its BETTER some of the poor sod parents get their precious to be a scholarship'd dentist lah! Better $$$ prospect$ :cool:
Yang Ada Berhormati Old School doctors TIU xlattoupai :cool:
Bbbbetul! The prospect is so good that can even buy multimillion mansion!
Semua nya ok!
:D

zinglicious
15-06-2011, 11:29 PM
People get worked up because of unfairness in sekolahsip where they have worked so hard to achieve academic excellence - only be told they are not good enuf while those less deserving candidates get overseas dates.
It is the same as for those particularly in civil service. Work so far, yet the juniors get promoted!!! This is evident from PDRM to Kementrian Kesihatan, GLC to State Privatised Companies.
This is too widespread to ignore - not just Sekolahship but Kerja Raya.
Injustice or unfairness can only stiffled the raykat ambition to produce motivational results and ambitions to build the country.

ivanhow
16-06-2011, 02:56 AM
People get worked up because of unfairness in sekolahsip where they have worked so hard to achieve academic excellence - only be told they are not good enuf while those less deserving candidates get overseas dates.
It is the same as for those particularly in civil service. Work so far, yet the juniors get promoted!!! This is evident from PDRM to Kementrian Kesihatan, GLC to State Privatised Companies.
This is too widespread to ignore - not just Sekolahship but Kerja Raya.
Injustice or unfairness can only stiffled the raykat ambition to produce motivational results and ambitions to build the country.
Sounds very much like 'Ketuanan' mentality... doesn't it?

zinglicious
17-06-2011, 02:07 AM
Look what Ketuanan Mahathir has had done to the multinational companies - arms were twisted and demands were made for quota from 51% equity to employing saudara saudari. Even the missionary schools were not being spared, resulting into decline Inglish even among the graduates.
Inglish and basic foundations of education were not being cultivated and nourished resulting in decline in competitive edge, productivity and excellence.
Bottom line investment in factories or business being shifted to other regional couintries , even Indonesia!
Up the line, we have the head of UM giving excuses from time to time why MU has fallen from the eltie top 10 to way bottom pit of 300! Yet safely tucked in the chair so far.

aerobax
17-06-2011, 08:20 AM
This problem will never be resolved so long as BN is in power ... go for the ROOT CAUSE .... and remove it !! :D

zinglicious
18-06-2011, 01:43 AM
It has been reported that those scored below 2.0 GPA would have thier sekolahship withdrawn. Between JPA, PM and God knows.
But aint it amazing that these students were given sekolahship in the first place whereas those who scored above that were rejected without valid reason!!!
And they still dont think it is advisable to release the names on sekolahships to show accountability and transperancy. Maybe the list would revealed some names of sugar daddy offsprings who had scored less than 2.0 but yet have to rely on public funds and facilities!!! So far, we still dont know !!!
http://thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2011/6/17/nation/20110617212943&sec=nation

fonzie
18-06-2011, 09:53 AM
It is not scholarship but PTPTN loan....

Can someone explains is it difficult to achieve a 2.0 CGPA score...? What is the universal average score for a person pursuing tertiary education to target for..? Is this new measure good or should have been taken long time ago...?

Sorry....never went to uni and a blursotong on present education standards with all its acronyms. Ony know A, B or C and F.....;)-

Cheers!

kwchang
18-06-2011, 12:06 PM
...Can someone explains is it difficult to achieve a 2.0 CGPA score...? What is the universal average score for a person pursuing tertiary education to target for..? Is this new measure good or should have been taken long time ago...?...Ony know A, B or C and F.....
Go have a look at this explanation (http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/505789)

CGPA was never used in my time (and that was a long time ago)... so I do not know how it works. From the link I gave, it can be assumed that typically, A = 4.00, B = 3.00 and C = 2.00 .... so CGPA of 2 is a pretty lousy score. If You are familiar with university degrees, I guess 4 = 1st Class, 3 = 2nd Class Upper and 2 = 2nd Class Lower.

USJ27Resident
18-06-2011, 12:27 PM
Maybe the list would revealed some names of sugar daddy offsprings who had scored less than 2.0 but yet have to rely on public funds and facilities!!! So far, we still dont know !!!

THAT (my friends!) is probably the VERY reason why the list is considered a national security secret... and needs to be classified under OSA. :p

Now you know why the former minister Sabah Mojuntin is on a 'hunger' strike... his reasons for doing a Gandhi is because HIS kids could not get scholarships... can someone tell him, mebbe a hunger strike (abstinence & fast) would do good for his health and BMI.... :p

DarkNite
18-06-2011, 02:31 PM
.... so CGPA of 2 is a pretty lousy score. If You are familiar with university degrees, I guess 4 = 1st Class, 3 = 2nd Class Upper and 2 = 2nd Class Lower.
Local Uni CGPA scoring standards from the candidates that we interviewed are much lower. For that reason we filter out those that doesn't achieve a CGPA score of 3.5 & above. BTW we also see a lot of PERFECT scorers too!
In my time there is no such thing as perfect scores! Today everything is mark up!
Guess that's how we get inflation also!

Rhiga
20-06-2011, 03:59 PM
Can someone explains is it difficult to achieve a 2.0 CGPA score...? What is the universal average score for a person pursuing tertiary education to target for..? Is this new measure good or should have been taken long time ago...?

Sorry....never went to uni and a blursotong on present education standards with all its acronyms. Ony know A, B or C and F.....;)-

Cheers!

Based on my experience 25 years ago in a local varsity when I pursued an undergraduate engineering degree which followed the semester system.

I managed to get 3.49 (2nd upper honours) and honestly I was having a good time, not really studied that hard.

To get 2.0 CGPA, I only need to do 2 things:
1) I need to attend class (to obtain the minimum attendance % to be eligible to sit for exam), and
2) I need to submit the course’s project and assignment.

And I don’t need to study at all i.e. no need to do any revision or preparation for final semester exam. I can say for sure I will get more than 2.0 in CGPA.

This is 25 years ago.. I believe studies life is much easier now… :rolleyes:

My point is – it is practically impossible to get less than 2.0 in CGPA unless the wrong stocks of people are put into varsity as students.

This is exactly the problem – worst case scenario people are everywhere in the institution of higher learning now..

fonzie
20-06-2011, 07:31 PM
Thank you folks for the clarifications....

So my understanding now is that the authorities' measures are nothing more than eyewash...? Sad but true....

No wonder people are saying we have incompetency all around....sad but true...

Cheers!

DarkNite
23-06-2011, 08:06 AM
In case you miss out on reading this article from the Sun
In a letter to the NST, the chairman of the Centre for Public Policy Studies, Tan Sri Ramon Navaratnam, stated the criteria as follows: academic achievement (20%), racial composition (60%), East Malaysia bumiputra (10%) and socially disadvantaged (10%). (http://www.thesundaily.my/news/57989)
Click on the above text for more details.

zinglicious
23-06-2011, 10:53 AM
That is what Scholarship is all about - for those who earn it and need it!.
In the Bolehland, the Sekolahship is given like freebies to those with Kulification.
Mana boleh to build nation with all these undeserving students who dont earn it or need it while those qualified students, only to be told they cant get the Sekolahship and expected to work for Kopitiam or MCD because they cant afford to pay for the course.
1Malaysia 2Concepts 3Confusions - 4 - Forget about it!

SiangMalam
23-06-2011, 07:43 PM
In case you miss out on reading this article from the Sun
In a letter to the NST, the chairman of the Centre for Public Policy Studies, Tan Sri Ramon Navaratnam, stated the criteria as follows: academic achievement (20%), racial composition (60%), East Malaysia bumiputra (10%) and socially disadvantaged (10%). (http://www.thesundaily.my/news/57989)
Click on the above text for more details.
So, if you are an Iban from Sarawak and top scorer, you will only have:
20% - for academic achievement;
10% - as East Malaysian Bumiputra;
10% - socially disadvantaged.
or total 40% ONLY!

That KETUANAN fella based on racial background already beat you with 60%!!! hands down!!! Level playing field??? Still donwan to register as a voter??? Still donwan to come to the July 9 street party???? Then, dun complain... :mad:

zinglicious
24-06-2011, 01:27 AM
Total review of the PSD in 2012 announced the PM. Total review with action of implementation or just rewind and review without action?
http://thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2011/6/23/nation/20110623092935&sec=nation#13087979387791&if_height=535
Then why put the cart before the cow with 1 Malaysia theme? aint it cow scent. oops sense? :p

Jennylim
24-06-2011, 04:42 PM
Is it a good news?

Who do you think are likely to get GPA of 4.0 among the following candidates:

1) STPM
2) A -level
3) Matriculation?

DarkNite
24-06-2011, 08:58 PM
Is it a good news?

Who do you think are likely to get GPA of 4.0 among the following candidates:

1) STPM
2) A -level
3) Matriculation?
Ha ha ha ha ini ya lah Bolehland!

Jennylim
26-06-2011, 12:32 AM
Guess you know what I meant.

Actually, it is going to be a tough decision for the poor. If they are offer scholarship to do A-level and they don't do well enough to get JPA scholarship, where are they going to get sufficient money to further their study? I heard you can't apply local U with A-level(not sure if true), if so no money how to further study?
If stick to STPM, you can't get into TOP 10 uni in the world even if you do well!