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currymee
11-05-2011, 08:10 AM
Don't blame Proton for high car prices, says Dr M

OK, fair enough ... WE BLAME THE BN GOVT !!!!! :D :D :p :p

http://star-motoring.com/News/2011/Don-t-blame-Proton-for-high-car-prices,-says-Dr-M.aspx

birdy
11-05-2011, 08:37 AM
Don't blame Proton for high car prices, says Dr M

OK, fair enough ... WE BLAME THE BN GOVT !!!!! :D :D :p :p

http://star-motoring.com/News/2011/Don-t-blame-Proton-for-high-car-prices,-says-Dr-M.aspx
He is the culprit for this mah .. sure he asks not to blame Proton. He was the BN GOVT and now Proton adviser... he must be laughing all the way to his SWISS BANK. :D :rolleyes:

cml
11-05-2011, 10:27 AM
Because of them the rakyat has to buy a 40k car for 60k and that has lasted for 30 years!!!.

Raikonen
11-05-2011, 10:45 AM
This time i have to admit the mamak is right.

Can't blame Proton for high prices...but i do blame proton for zero quality of cars so much so that i would call them disposable cars like disposable diapers.

To take the cake, the fellas at proton have their heads in the cloud with the thought that proton is a glc or regional champion and quality brand similar to the likes of coke... :eek: (from my past experience in attending glc conference)

Wahahahaaa....bodoh sombong punya orang

Firefly
11-05-2011, 10:55 AM
The rate of car sales "car sales in Malaysia had shot up to 570,000 units in one year, the highest in South-East Asia." do not justify the road development. Also our nice town planners and town councils are still implementation the 1 car per unit. You can see the cars in housing areas parked all over the place.

chewie
11-05-2011, 11:00 AM
The rate of car sales "car sales in Malaysia had shot up to 570,000 units in one year, the highest in South-East Asia." do not justify the road development. Also our nice town planners and town councils are still implementation the 1 car per unit. You can see the cars in housing areas parked all over the place.

i even seen before one house got 6 cars...one for each family members...

SiangMalam
11-05-2011, 11:33 AM
PROTON should be dissolved or sold to a foreign car company just VW, and there shall be no more excuse for APs! Cars will be cheaper lah, Tun Mamak Kutty!

lbn
11-05-2011, 12:04 PM
Blaming won't solve things. We, consumers hace choices. We just don't buy Proton. I've been supporting Proton since 1985 until I purchased Savvy AMT in 2006 for RM45K. Now it's not worth RM10K. No more Proton for me. :mad:

KahHeng
11-05-2011, 12:18 PM
yup.. agree that proton should be closed down! we dont need to keep 'feeding' a failed project!

birdy
11-05-2011, 12:36 PM
Do you think that foreign car price will come down by closing down Proton? If this will do, do you think everyone can afford a foreign car? IF no, then Proton still need to exist.

Fabe18
11-05-2011, 01:53 PM
there are many SMEs supplying parts and components to Proton, closing it down is not an option to consider. However, Proton can be a success story being an assembler for various car marques.

Quality issues aside, a carmaker can only earn money when its car can sell in big volume... If not, R&D cost per car would be high.... Not to mention unit cost of parts...

USJ27Resident
11-05-2011, 02:02 PM
there are many SMEs supplying parts and components to Proton, closing it down is not an option to consider. However, Proton can be a success story being an assembler for various car marques....

Isn't what they are doing NOW... by assembling the rebadged INSPIRA !! Even my 9 year old kid had asked "dad, isn't that a Misubisi Lancer!?" :p

DRB Hicom, Naza, even Perodua does it... so why can't Proton!

At the current rate, PROTON should just rename themselves as PROTEN - Perusahaan Otomobil Teksi Negara... :rolleyes:
All I see at their yards, are multi colored TAXIS waiting to be delivered...

zinglicious
11-05-2011, 02:12 PM
Maybe should be renamed Importen or Impotent Saga :D

Who is to be be blamed when even the govt officials refused to buy Impotent Perdana as the maintainance fees bukan main main? :confused:

Fabe18
11-05-2011, 02:19 PM
Isn't what they are doing NOW... by assembling the rebadged INSPIRA !! Even my 9 year old kid had asked "dad, isn't that a Misubisi Lancer!?" :p

DRB Hicom, Naza, even Perodua does it... so why can't Proton!

At the current rate, PROTON should just rename themselves as PROTEN - Perusahaan Otomobil Teksi Negara... :rolleyes:
All I see at their yards, are multi colored TAXIS waiting to be delivered...

Yeah, after so many years of trying to have their in-house designed cars (with shared platform from mitsu) ie Waja, Gen2, I guess they realised they can't recoup the R&D cost from those models. So it makes more financial sense to go back to rebadging...

Australia's Holden was in the rebadging business for years before their current crop of Holden cars. They have sold rebadged Toyota Camry (Holden Apollo) and Suzuki Swift (Holden Barina) back in the late 90s... Not sure what is Holden's business model now though...

SiangMalam
11-05-2011, 03:55 PM
there are many SMEs supplying parts and components to Proton, closing it down is not an option to consider. However, Proton can be a success story being an assembler for various car marques.
Do you know who the parts vendors are? Do you know their rpices to Proton for these parts even as simple as nuts and screws? Unless and until you know the truth, let me just say you are defending the indefensible! :mad:

SiangMalam
11-05-2011, 03:59 PM
Do you think that foreign car price will come down by closing down Proton? If this will do, do you think everyone can afford a foreign car? IF no, then Proton still need to exist.
The main reason why high tariffs and import duties are imposed on cars (even CKD models, mind you) is to protect the Proton motor industry. The minute Proton is removed, your Toyota Vios and your Altis will be same price as our Thai neighbors paying for their Vios and Altis, except RM500 more for transporting the car from the Pattaya plant down to USJ5! :D

Just look at the Proton OTR prices in UK and Australia and even in Abu Dhabi will tell you, Malaysian motorists are even paying more for their own Protons, bodoh betullah kita ni! :mad:

cml
11-05-2011, 04:42 PM
All these smes are still there because of the subsidy mentality. No one will buy their stuff at their prices in the open market. Potong are forced to buy because these are connected companies and their stuff cannot be rejected because of poor quality. so you see how can they ever improve?? Not in a million years.

SiangMalam
11-05-2011, 04:51 PM
Proton is a (silly) dream of one old man and that dream has sucked billions of public funds to support a car industry that is not supportable simply we do not have the critical mass to support a car industry (leave alone 2! - Perodua) and someone even said 3 (ie Naza Kia). Throwing money to buy Lotus and then the KTM/Agusta motorcycle (which they sold for 1 Euro!

That whole place is going to explode into another Perwaja, just mark my words!

usj18leong
11-05-2011, 07:21 PM
How can we blame Proton? Itis just a car.
We only blame the institution which started this venture and made decision on the duties and taxes.

SiangMalam
12-05-2011, 12:12 AM
How can we blame Proton? Itis just a car.
We only blame the institution which started this venture and made decision on the duties and taxes.
Of course lah, no one is blaming Proton the car here, isn't that obvious we are blaming the people and the institutions.... :mad:

cskok8
12-05-2011, 12:20 AM
Proton is a (silly) dream of one old man and that dream has sucked billions of public funds to support a car industry that is not supportable simply we do not have the critical mass to support a car industry (leave alone 2! - Perodua) and someone even said 3 (ie Naza Kia). Throwing money to buy Lotus and then the KTM/Agusta motorcycle (which they sold for 1 Euro!j

That whole place is going to explode into another Perwaja, just mark my words!
You forgot Inokom ;)

SiangMalam
12-05-2011, 12:28 AM
You forgot Inokom ;)
Oops... too obscure and definitely struggling quietly and low-profile so no one will take notice.... :(

cml
12-05-2011, 09:13 AM
Before we started proton, our car assembly operations were way ahead of any in thailand. Fast forward to today, in spite of their political troubles, their vehicle assembly industry is booming and they are the biggest exporter of pick ups aside from us, usa not us!!. Now we have a so called national car that is basically a mechanism to suck the rakyats money by forcing them to buy inferior products. Forcing may not be right but the alternative are cars costing 2 to 3 times the national cars.

KahHeng
12-05-2011, 10:42 AM
Do you think that foreign car price will come down by closing down Proton? If this will do, do you think everyone can afford a foreign car? IF no, then Proton still need to exist.

without Proton, there would not be an need for 'protection' tax on imported cars.. cars will be much cheaper and affordable.. imho (and many others), it is because the Govt wanting to protect Proton that we are tax exorbitantly today...

rakyat
12-05-2011, 10:56 AM
Ai-ya that Mamakthir was lying through his teeth-la.

- 'b/4 proton cars were also expensive in M'sia' really-ah? I remembered my friend bought a brand new nissan sunny (sentra) for below RM20k and brand new BMW 3 series was below RM100k in the early 80s (just before proton)

- 'power window problem is exaggerated' ; 'He uses the toll roads and do not see proton owners opening their doors to pay toll' - maybe in Seri Kembangan toll!!! But for NPE/Kesas/ Federal which I use OFTEN* I see relatively new protons owners opening their doors instead of winding down their windows.

- "Proton is providing jobs to the rakyat' didn't we read recently that protons production workers are paid RM750 per month? A toll collector earns more while most factory workers are assured at least RM1,+++

SiangMalam
12-05-2011, 10:58 AM
All cars like Vios, Altis, Latio and every car in that class (usually a favorite family saloon of around 1300-1600 cc) are all priced high so that it wont affect the cheap low quality tin cans Potong cars!

Pls lah, go study the excise and import duty structures lah before arguing here....

jimmyay
12-05-2011, 11:16 AM
Only those katak-bawah-tempurung will listen to him. And also those beneficiary from the project.

cskok8
12-05-2011, 12:36 PM
Ai-ya that Mamakthir was lying through his teeth-la.



- 'power window problem is exaggerated' ; 'He uses the toll roads and do not see proton owners opening their doors to pay toll' - maybe in Seri Kembangan toll!!! But for NPE/Kesas/ Federal which I use OFTEN* I see relatively new protons owners opening their doors instead of winding down their windows.


If close both eyes sure cannot see. :mad:

cml
12-05-2011, 01:07 PM
He is probably sitting at the back of a panamera catching his 40 winks.

rakyat
13-05-2011, 08:26 AM
He is probably sitting at the back of a panamera catching his 40 winks.

Nope he is just plain bald faced liar. but because of M'sians culture of honoring the elders & respecting the 'titled' he knows he can get away with it.

Came on, am I the only one old enuf to remember how cheap japo cars were before proton? If he really think that proton is world class then why is he going around in a Porche or VW instead of a Persona?

currymee
13-05-2011, 08:28 AM
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Came on, am I the only one old enuf to remember how cheap japo cars were before proton? If he really think that proton is world class then why is he going around in a Porche or VW instead of a Persona?

Hehehe ... battery dead or "Campro" engine cannot start :p :p :D :D

cml
13-05-2011, 09:55 AM
I remember many many years ago when a cousin brother gruduated from um, his dad bought him a toyoto corolla for 7 or 8 k and his first job paid him 8 or 9 hundred ringgit. Now an altis costs 120k and a fresh graduate would probably earn 2k!! if he can find a job that is!!

ivanhow
13-05-2011, 01:15 PM
When Proton was born, we have been supporting by buying the Malaysia car. We have given Proton many years to be our proud local car. But, we have been short changed, duped many times. The second-hand value plummetted, the car just get rusts on the bonnet, boot, ceiling, the windows stopped working, the pilot lights fell off from it's holder and much more. My friends reported the drive-shaft fell off when on the highway. The windows shatter few times without rhyme or reason at the parking lot.

What else can we expect. It's somethine that will be etched in all our minds for a long time. Probably for a generation or two. When the trust placed on it's customers get misplaced, the outcome can be disastrously punishing. I owned a Wira, but I also said, "no more proton". Not again! Haven't we given Proton sufficient time to buck-up?

I know of someone who supply parts to Proton, now have given up supplying parts to them citing harrassment as a reason.

Raikonen
13-05-2011, 01:48 PM
No need to support this bleeding company la...kononya brand as good as Coke...the only similarity is the their car built is as good as Coke's tin can!!! Buy a bicycle is better and safer...Dont subsidise these blood suckers... :mad: