View Full Version : Ng Yen Yen: Bad example of Chinese Malaysians' loyalty?

15-03-2003, 01:38 PM
From Jeff Ooi's blog, <a href="http://jeffooi.blogspot.com/2003_03_09_jeffooi_archive.html#90748998"target="new">Screenshots</a>:

<font size="+1"><font color="red">Allegiance and loyalty in question</font></font>

<img src="http://www.usj.com.my/Upload/uploads/ng_yen_yen.gif" align="left" vspace="10" hspace="10"><font size="+1">"Are you with us or not with us?"</font> This is a side-dish to <a href="http://jeffooi.blogspot.com/2003_03_09_jeffooi_archive.html#90616629">intra-MCA squabbles</a>.

I expect to hear debates aroused among fellow Malaysians on the notion of "<b><a href="http://www.geocities.com/paris/parc/2713/sta1.html">Di mana bumi dipijak, di sana langit dijunjung</a></b>". It applies on a serving deputy minister upon whom we shall momentarily treat as a Chinese Malaysian.

Obviously to assert he meant business, <i>The Sun</i> deputy editor <b>R. Nadeswaran</b> put his byline on a Page 2 story yesterday:
<blockquote>Deputy Culture, Arts and Tourism Minister <b>Datuk Ng Yen Yen</b> was a permanent resident of Australia when she took <u>the oath of loyalty to King and country</u> when she was appointed a senator more than nine years ago.

She was a director from April 1992 until she resigned in May 1995. Ng took her oath of office as a senator in August 1993, but nine months earlier she had declared herself as a permanent resident of Australia in documents filed with the Australian authorities.

In her resignation letter to the board of directors, she gave her full name as "Senator Dr Ng Yen Yen". The 1992 profile of the directors describe Ng as "a Malaysian qualified and registered medical practitioner".

"She has been living in Australia for approximately three years... and has undertaken substantial business activities concerned with the import of intellectual properties and commodities," the documents said.</blockquote>

Apparently, Ng had first refused comment when confronted by <i>The Sun</i> on Tuesday night. After the expose by <i>The Sun</i>, she had also refused to reveal when she gave up her permanent residency when contacted by <a href="http://www.malaysiakini.com/news/200303140019505.php">Malaysiakini</a> yesterday afternoon for comment on a set of documents obtained by the online newspaper. It is understood that the documents showed she was an Australia PR between 1992 and 1995.

She had merely admitted to holding the status in 1995, but denied that she still has it. However, she promised to give all the facts at a press conference "to be held soon". Hours later, Ng decided to release a press statement last night, as reported by Malaysiakini:
<blockquote>"Dr Ng Yen Yen today denied she is a permanent resident of Australia following accusations from a rival party leader which questioned her loyalty to the country. She, however admitted to holding the status between 1990 and 1995.

"Ng said she had obtained the status to facilitate her frequent travelling to Australia to look after her three sons who were in their early formative years and studying there.

"My husband and I realised the need to be with them as frequently as possible to ensure the parental bonding within the family, as well as to ensure that they develop a strong value system and strength of character. The PR status enabled me to achieve this (need to be there for them).

"She said she revoked her permanent residency in 1995, in her second year of senatorship, as she need not travel to Australia that frequently anymore. Thus, she said the question of her 'dual citizenship' does not hold anymore."</blockquote>

Documents obtained by <i>malaysiakini</i> differs little from the one revealed by <i>The Sun</i>, which indicated that Ng was an Australian resident director of a New South Wales-based company, Indo Pacific Securities Limited, beginning April 1992. The other directors of the stockbroking firm were two Malaysian residents, businessman <b>Soh Chee Wen</b>, former Air Force chief (retired) <b>General Mohamed Ngah Said</b>, and two Australian residents, Phillip Winter and Perter McCulloch. (The Australian Corporations Law requires all Australian public companies to have at least three directors, with at least two being Australian residents.)

In the documents, Ng described herself as a businesswoman with her Australian address in Tusmore, a suburb of Adelaide in South Australia.

<b>Ling - Soh - Yen Yen Alliance.</b> None of the reports in (The People's Paper) <a href="http://thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2003/3/15/nation/llngf&sec=nation">The Star</a> and (All The News That Matters) <a href="http://www.nst.com.my">New Straits Times</a> mentioned about Ng's business ties with Soh. But for once, interesting things seem to pop out that will whet the appetite of those trying to piece together the complex web of relationships among present and former MCA leaders.
<blockquote><b><a href="http://www.usj.com.my/bulletin/upload/showthread.php?s=&threadid=3163">The Sun January 24</a>:</b> Transport Minister Dr Ling Liong Sik offered to procure the country's original survey maps as part of a business deal involving his former political protege, Soh Chee Wen. Austrian businessman, <b>Franz Christoph Heldwein</b>, 50, made this and other allegations in a police report he lodged against both Ling and Soh yesterday. The deal, he said, also involved Ling's son, <b>Hee Leong</b>.

<b><a href="http://www.nst.com.my/Current_News/NST/Friday/Frontpage/20030314065537/Article/">New Straits Times March 14</a>:</b> MCA Youth head <b>Ong Tee Keat</b> said today he will not quit the party because he has not committed three wrongdoings which would justify him leaving the MCA. Earlier, Ling sent an <a href="http://www.nst.com.my/Current_News/NST/Wednesday/Frontpage/20030312170933/Article/">ultimatum</a> to Ong, challenging him to prove <a href="http://www.bernama.com/B2002/news.shtml?general/ge0903_7">triad politics</a> existed in MCA or get out. In an apparent reply to the ultimatum, Ong said he had decided to stay put as he had not committed the three offences:
<ul><li>He did not attempt to sell classified information to foreign businessmen for personal profit;</li>
<li>He has never been a permanent resident of a foreign country even before he was appointed deputy minister; and,</li>
<li>He did not have assets worth hundreds of millions of ringgit</li></ul></blockquote>

So, first two of Ong's revelations have come to pass, and we are anxiously looking forward to know who the millionaire is. Meanwhile, the Ling - Soh dispute has yet to settle, and the Yen Yen - Soh business ties are being unearthed. The plot thickens.

Ng must be brought to task on a pertinent point that Nadeswaran raised: Was Ng's taking the oath of loyalty to King and country morally and legally valid when she had held an Australian PR at the material time as she was being sworn in as a Malaysian Senator?

Other developments in the MCA <i>wayang</i>:
<ul><li>NST: <a href="http://www.nst.com.my/Current_News/NST/Saturday/Frontpage/20030315115227/Article/">Stop it, Abdullah tells Ling</a></li>
<li>Berita Harian: <a href="http://www.bharian.com.my/m/BHarian/Saturday/Mukadepan/20030315002026/Article/">Dakwaan politik kongsi gelap: Pak Lah panggil Ling</a></li>
<li>Utusan Malaysia: <a href="http://www.utusan.com.my/utusan/content.asp?y=2003&dt=0315&pub=Utusan_Malaysia&sec=Dalam_Negeri&pg=dn_01.htm">Konflik MCA: Abdullah mahu penjelasan Ling</a></li>
<li>The Star: <a href="http://www.thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2003/3/15/nation/wnmca&sec=nation">Stop squabbling, Pak Lah tells MCA</a></li></ul>

And this one from Straits Times Singapore: <a href="http://www.straitstimes.com/asia/story/0,4386,177176,00.html?">Chair thrower to enforce discipline in MCA</a>

We have not seen the last yet, have we?

19-03-2003, 09:35 AM
Obviously Ng Yen Yen gave up her Australia PR status for vested political interests. It is most unfortunate to have her as the Deputy Minister of Culture, Arts, and Tourism. She will only become a liability to the non-Malaysa in general and Chinese in particular. Others will be skeptical of our loyalty to our beloved motherland. Please, Yen Yen, would you just step down?

15-09-2003, 04:29 AM
I am an Englishman, married to a Malaysian and I keep an eye on political events in Malaysia.

This particular episode seems to me to have been blown out of all proportion, but partly I think that is because many of Malaysia's own immigration and nationality rules informs Malaysian ideas on these matters.

PR is not the same as citizenship or nationality. My wife and I live in London. She is proud of her nation and does not aspire in the slightest to be "British". She would like to return to Malaysia one day.

Meanwhile in order to remain in the UK for an indefinite period she has the UK equivalent of PR status. She has the right to remain here, subject to her not being deported for some crime, indefinitely. This does not make her British, nor loyal to Britain. It merely means she can live in Britain. She could, if she chose to, apply for British Citizenship, but she does not want to.

I do not see how anyone can equate having PR status in another country with disloyalty to ones own.

I understand that as the foriegn spouse of a Malaysian I could obtain PR status in Malaysia (although I do appreciate that in practice the Malaysian Government does not make life particularly attractive for incoming foriegners). If I were to do so in order to live with my Malaysian wife would that make me any less British? Any less loyal to my homeland? Of course it would not.

18-09-2003, 03:10 PM
I do not profess to be an expert in politics or the way a politician should behave. I only see things merely as a normal citizen.

What I see and do not quite like about this whole episode is that she was not honest from the start about what she has done.

It is now obvious that she was not merely an Australian PR to facilitate the ease of being with her sons (as she insists). She had some business dealings there and she declared herself to the Australian government as an Australian resident. (as pointed out in the earlier article posted)

To me, she is obviously hiding something or trying not to admit something and now she is trying to bring in her sons to win some sympathy.

It is pointed out quite rightly that you can be a PR in another country to facilitate not being deported when staying for an extended time an still remain loyal to your home country. But the question here is : to what extent?

would the people accept it if the PM were to hold a PR in another country? I honestly do not think so especially in a country which does not allow dual citizenship.

Then there is the whole issue of not coming out clean when confronted and buying time to think of a story. This is a clear sign of not telling the whole truth.

Somewhat like ' i did not do it with Monica..and later saying; yes, we did'

So, honestly i do not think that one can stand before the king and pledge allegiance to the state and promising to serve the country and then declare yourself a resident of another country for personal commercial gain.

She should come out and say sorry for misleading the people, even resign if necessary instead of being a coward and say it's no issue at all. Perhaps she's got more to hide?

but the biggest issue is: we voted for her, didn't we?

This is just my rambling and if you have to critisize me, critisize for my personal views and not my knowledge or lack of how a politician should act.

I am just the normal 'rakyat' on the street and I feel bad when i think I have been cheated.

19-09-2003, 04:44 AM
I really don't know about the broader issues, like whether she exploited this just to get cheap education for her kids, or whether she has been honest.

I am simply trying to make the point that having the right to live permanently in a country does not make one loyal to it, nor disloyal to ones own country. So I do not see that a politician who has the right to live elsewhere is automatically disloyal.

Bear in mind that I look at this from my perspective as a Brit. We have a different attitude towards politics, so I am bound to see it differently.

I can only try to explain that by example. Every year thousands of Malaysians, Indians, etc etc....people from all over the commonwealth come to Britain to work or study. So long as they are over 18 years old they have the right to vote in all of our elections, they have as much say in who governs us as I do. The same goes for people from any part of the EU and from Ireland. Not only do they have the right to vote, they can stand for election if they wish. You do not have to be British to do so.

If I were to live in Germany or France etc, I would have the same rights as a German or a Frenchman. Theoretically I could become the Chancellor of Germany or the President of France. In fact there are a growing number of Brits living in France who hold elected office as Mayors etc.

I could not even imagine a similar situation in Malaysia as foriegners are too useful for when Malaysian politicians need to blame things on "outside influences". Can you imagine Malaysians allowing foreign residents to vote? Can you imagine Malaysia allowing a foreigner to stand for election? After all you have as good as been told that even a non Malay Malaysian can't be prime minister. Race and Nationalism run deep in the political psyche in Malaysia. My point being that the whole political culture in Malaysia is different, so you aren't going to think like me.

Nonetheless I hope you see my perspective.

24-09-2003, 01:48 AM
If she is going to be in charge of culture and arts, shouldn't she be educating her kids in Malaysia?

What sort of role model is she trying to be? Malaysian education will not improve until those in high office choose to improve it--for EVERYONE.