One More "Fell Off" MACC Building....

[Sentinel]

I don't have the full details yet but just received info from StarOnline and on my Twitter that a custom officer being investigated for corruption died on Wednesday (today!) after falling off the 3rd floor of MACC Building at Jalan Cochrane, KL. :eek:

[bugbear]

I don't have the full details yet but just received info from StarOnline and on my Twitter that a custom officer being investigated for corruption died on Wednesday (today!) after falling off the 3rd floor of MACC Building at Jalan Cochrane, KL. :eek:
Wow, they literally fell like flies!! Looks like our MACC is trying very hard to be assosiated with the like of abu ghraib of iraq, stasis of east germany, kgb-lubyanka-gulag of russia and last but not least guantanamo bay of the USA. :cool:

[Sentinel]

They really need to overhaul MACC! Raise the bar of the recruits to be minimum "A Levels" and preferably with some accounting knowledge.... some IT qualified people... not some freaking Mamak freak downlowding smut during office hours, sick! Just give me 10 minutes alone with that Ashraf fella in a jammed elevator! :mad:

[ivanhow]

Any chance these are linked to the Gold bars and bags of cash containing up to RM600,000 (S$249,960) discovered in the homes of several Customs officers during raids by the MACC (http://www.asiaone.com/News/AsiaOne%2BNews/Malaysia/Story/A1Story20110403-271514.html)?? :D :confused:

[Sentinel]

Dunno yet... so I better not speculate. Lets wait for the news conference at 2pm.

[Sentinel]

One thing for sure, everyone now takut if called up by MACC "to discuss" especially after 5pm.... :eek:

[bugbear]

Another RCI in the offing. call in the pathologist and maybe porntip again? We are getting used to this now. Not a good thing for the image of the gov.

[bugbear]

here is the thread. (http://www.themalaysianinsider.com/malaysia/article/customs-officer-falls-to-death-during-macc-probe/)

[aursong]

One thing for sure, everyone now takut if called up by MACC "to discuss" especially after 5pm.... :eek:

Do like the Namewee fella... get reporters to take pictures and do small interview before being interview by the authorities...

'I'm very healthy physically and mentally... I won't commit suicide..."

lol... :D

[Raikonen]

Ini macam pun boleh???

MACC should be disbanded and all the officers sent to Taliban...

On another note, can i suggest that for the time being, all MACC interviews be conducted on the ground floor or basement floor if possible. Also the interviewees must at all times wear a parachute kit.

[cml]

Since he is a serving gomen officer lets see if the gomen will come out and insist on a rci to determine the cause of death. The rakyat would really like to know and get to the root of the problem in the macc.

[Hopefull]

This is going to be another case like Teohs that is going to drag for many years and incur taxpayers money!

Unless a few ppl saw him jumping out!

[currymee]

My condolences to the family of the deceased irrespective of whether he is guilty or not, no-one deserves to die like that .... :mad:

[gary yap]

Before stepping into MACC office better write your will... You don't know what you getting into...

[cml]

All the recent going ons does not really give anyone a good impression of what they are doing right? Want to be like icac (hk) dream on la!!

[Rhiga]

Condolences to the family of deceased.


Speechless....macc must be completely revamped.. :mad: :mad:

[waktu_senja]

To prevent future death, can we suggest that MACC building be located to Ground-floor & Basement only.

[tupai]

To prevent future death, can we suggest that MACC building be located to Ground-floor & Basement only.

...with anti-slip flooring. Its important that no 1 is allowed to eat banana on premises...we dont want any1 to slip on banana peel and mortally fall on their head lah... serious! :eek:

Yang Amat Banana makan T.U.I. xlatotupai :cool:

[jimmyay]

Now MACC have new enemy.

[cml]

The rakyat?

[waktu_senja]

MACC Suspect # 01 - Teoh Beng Hock - Suicide
MACC Suspect # 02 - Ahmad Sarbani Mohamed - Suicide

You mean to say Selangor & KL don't have higher building to commit suicide other than MACC building !!!

[Naka]

Why don't they fence up the balcony?

[cml]

Its a window .

[Naka]

Its a window .

Then fence up the windows with decorative bars........

[Hopefull]

Public confidence in the credibility and professionalism of the MACC has been
damaged seriously.
They should be embrassed as there has been 2 deaths in their premises so far.
Something is seriously wrong!

[Naka]

Public confidence in the credibility and professionalism of the MACC has been
damaged seriously.
They should be embrassed as there has been 2 deaths in their premises so far.
Something is seriously wrong!

At the current rate, there maybe a 3rd one on the way. :eek:

[aursong]

Would there be CCTV footage this time??

If MACC learn anything from TBH... they would have CCTV in every single corner of their building...

especially windows... lol...

[Naka]

Would there be CCTV footage this time??

If MACC learn anything from TBH... they would have CCTV in every single corner of their building...

especially windows... lol...


CCTV can corrupt and not reliable. ;)

[DarkNite]

CCTV can corrupt and not reliable. ;)
Hongkong's Independent Commission Against Corruption using a three-deck security system in the rooms where suspects and witnesses have their statements taken.

There is also a convex mirror placed in the corner of the room, which will clearly show all the people present in the room, to dispel any claims on intimidation by investigating officers.

The interviewee and the investigating officer are both given a copy of the recording, and a third copy sealed an kept in a vault. This third copy is considered the authentic copy if dispute arises on its contents.

Knowing kebolehan Bolehland I think this also will be abuse?

Err....come to think of it when they revamp ACA and told us it will be model after HK's ICAC, I hesitate to guess how much more was left out?

[bugbear]

With TBH's death, I believe it is the chinese community that was most affected but now this is a different twist. Sarbani is a malay. Already, many of his close friends have dicounted suicide just as what TBH's family have done before this. Then, the malays wasn't too concern but now this is their business. I believe, this will be the end of BN.

[fonzie]

Assistant Director woh.....came to MACC in a kapchai....?

Cheers!

[Raikonen]

With TBH's death, I believe it is the chinese community that was most affected but now this is a different twist. Sarbani is a malay. Already, many of his close friends have dicounted suicide just as what TBH's family have done before this. Then, the malays wasn't too concern but now this is their business. I believe, this will be the end of BN.
Yeah the malays wasn't too bothered abt tbh...my malay frens was saying suicide or stress...but this latest case, they were yelling bloody murder. Sometimes it is real sad that one only care abt their own race.
However this wun affect BN much. Most to most some Macc machai will be sacrificial lambs after a long drawn process. Look at altantuya murderers. Nobody cares. Life is cheap in bolehland if u r the wrong kind.

[bugbear]

Yeah the malays wasn't too bothered abt tbh...my malay frens was saying suicide or stress...but this latest case, they were yelling bloody murder. Sometimes it is real sad that one only care abt their own race.
However this wun affect BN much. Most to most some Macc machai will be sacrificial lambs after a long drawn process. Look at altantuya murderers. Nobody cares. Life is cheap in bolehland if u r the wrong kind.
I disagree with you. First of all, sarbani is a senior gov officer who is a humble man and also a pius muslim. This fact alone will turn most malay gov officer against BN. the second point is that MACC whether you like it or not will always be viewed as a BN entity and this is damaging. Did you notice tonight TV3 news? The MACC death only appear after 40 minutes and I was thinking that it should warrant at least headline or breaking news item. predictabily the sex video news grab the plaudit follow by the sarawak DUN.

[Sentinel]

Assistant Director woh.....came to MACC in a kapchai....?

Cheers!
I used to travel in KL on a scrambler too, Fonzie, no jam, easy to park, free parking etc and just get into the city, do your chores and get out... just a small backpack on your back carries everything... :rolleyes:

On the way back can detour to Bricksfield (just off the bike lane) and tapau 2-3 vadey home for tea! :D

[Sentinel]

With TBH's death, I believe it is the chinese community that was most affected but now this is a different twist. Sarbani is a malay. Already, many of his close friends have dicounted suicide just as what TBH's family have done before this. Then, the malays wasn't too concern but now this is their business. I believe, this will be the end of BN.
It will be "hangat hangat tahi ayam saja" and after a while the subject will die down, much faster than the TBH case, just watch and see... it won't bring about the end of BN lah, they have already started the spin on TV tonite, its a non-news, at the end of the news! :mad:

Remember the young teenager in Shah Alam who took his sister's Proton for a joy ride and got a whole sub-machine gun magazine pumped into his car? Forgotten oledi.... :mad:

[kuma]

I disagree with you. First of all, sarbani is a senior gov officer who is a humble man and also a pius muslim. This fact alone will turn most malay gov officer against BN. the second point is that MACC whether you like it or not will always be viewed as a BN entity and this is damaging.

Firstly...my condolences to the family.

As at Midnight....MSM is typically ignoring this news.

http://i.imgur.com/8n3SLs.jpg (http://imgur.com/8n3SL)http://i.imgur.com/W5QQws.jpg (http://imgur.com/W5QQw)http://i.imgur.com/7LLbws.jpg (http://imgur.com/7LLbw)

If history repeats...sadly this will be forgotten :(

Edit...
Wow...Sentinel...we were both on the same thought at the same time :cool:

[cml]

It is for them to rise up to the challenge and not treat the tbh case as something that does not concern them. If they can allow the case to be swept under the carpet then they deserve the gomen they voted in. good luck to them

[cml]

I dont think he went in a kapcai, a motorbike it was mentioned. It could be a bmw or a harley but anyway it does not matter.

[CS Chua]

Now, all we need is another senior person, maybe from UMNO or the Police, to do their "suicide thing" at the MACC building to complete a trilogy sequel to this unfortunate series of events. Good stories tend to have 3 sequels, right?

[tupai]

Assistant Director woh.....came to MACC in a kapchai....?

Cheers!

so? wats wrong with cubchai? I too ride bike from 150cc upwards to KL, kota bharu and some say kunming :cool:
But we r digressing from topic lah!
.......

Regardless of current situ, macc is not after the obvious corrupted case like for e.g. the multimillion$$ balinese bungalow belonging to a certain supposedly high income rm50000/mth dentist from a certain ulu selangor and how he took his whole family including a maid for a Rakyak fully paid disney trip dll enjoyment!...rumors have it this heavily botox'd guy is also a 1st generation indon pendatang. :eek:

Yang Amat Benggang Toon Utama Istimewa xlatotupai :cool:

[xaviers]

A suggestion from my friend

"all MACC offices should be moved into a single story building. with immediate effect"

[Raikonen]

A suggestion from my friend

"all MACC offices should be moved into a single story building. with immediate effect"

I think all the customs officers to be interviewed next should wear full parachute gears to the meeting as a statement!

[currymee]

Hahahaha ... I think it is MUCH CHEAPER and EASIER for every MACC building to be surrounded by those "stunt" movie landing/falling safety net :D :D :D - then EVERYONE CAN FLY !!! (out of the MACC windows) :rolleyes: :p :p :D :D

[Kinabalu]

all MACC buildings have to redesign their floorplan. Apparently the exit for those being interrogate are always not located at the groundfloor.

[Hopefull]

Teohs death caused lots of anger and sympathy but this death seems to turn to be laughing matter. :confused:

[zinglicious]

MACC is Malaysian Agency of Conviction and Condemnation. They convict you in the building and throw you out of the same building after passing judgement by condemnation within the Malaysia Boleh Law and Order. :p

[cml]

I dont think that this has turned into a laughing matter. It is just that we may have unleashed a monster in our midsts. In the guise of weeding out corruption they may have taken it upon themselves to be the judge,jury and executor of the punishment if they deemed the accused guilty and that is something that should not be vested in any one agency. There has to be checks and balances. The problem is their work is very much driven by their political masters who will decide who and when to investigate and in this case they probably felt that it was necessary (during a state election, especially where the head of the state has been widely accused of corruption )to show that their masters are serious in weeding out corruption and in doing so they appear to be sincere. They have to have something which appears to be bigger fish than the one that is accused in the easten state. In trying to please their masters, they may have overstepped their boundaries and became over zealous in their attempts to extract confessions. This is just my take on whats happening maybe worth only 2 sens.

[zinglicious]

It is not just a non laughing matter . It is a matter of mockery of law and order. Abuse of power and no accountability. Either it is suicide or being condemned by a push from the officers under orders, it is simply a jungle law which cannot be accepted at all. Whatever happen, somebody got to take responsibility.:mad:
Even if any of my guests found slipped at my restaurant premises because it is slippery, I have to acknowledge the responsiblity and liability as a caterer. ;)

[Justme123]

I think it is high time MACC move all its
interogation offices into single-storey buildings.

[fonzie]

It's a simple matter of surveying their office areas and plan interview rooms/holding rooms at the CENTRE of the room - with no windows but with thick plexiglass walls. You go and make it soundproof. Leave window areas for your MACC officers to use - and jump down from the windows if wants to....just kidding!

At the first contact point - lobby - secure it so that no unauthorised people can just "wave a hand" and go to every nook and cranny of the office building. At the same time, recce the outside surroundings and secure these areas as well. Have your own people in uniforms or at least have a (smart) standard jacket - must be worn in dept's premises, indoors and outdoors - no exceptions!

Non-MACC personnel - persons involved in on-going investigations - wanting to see any officer would have to be in these secured areas. ONLY the concerned/involved officer is allowed to meet them and be ready with the necessary documents - no exceptions! Don't care if the officer is held up in another work situation.

Just do a SWOT and you would certainly come up with some incremental improvements. Understand the impact of interactions with the public in your office premises - not every Tom, Dick and Harry who come pay you a visit, can be in your office. Have a separate reception area for non-essential visitors. Hey! You are 'entrusted" with a heavy but noble duty - give your professional best! This is no play-play! HODs should be leading, coaching their men/women and walk their rounds of the office premises more frequently.

Duh!....comes elections we hear millions of ringgit being disbursed like nobody business. Now this happens, no one take the trouble to disburse a few thousand ringgit towards renovations costs!

Perception is everything in politics! There are good and bad people out there. But very few honest people! Sad but true!

Cheers!

[Sentinel]

It's a simple matter of surveying their office areas and plan interview rooms/holding rooms at the CENTRE of the room - with no windows but with thick plexiglass walls. You go and make it soundproof. Leave window areas for your MACC officers to use - and jump down from the windows if wants to....just kidding!

At the first contact point - lobby - secure it so that no unauthorised people can just "wave a hand" and go to every nook and cranny of the office building. At the same time, recce the outside surroundings and secure these areas as well. Have your own people in uniforms or at least have a (smart) standard jacket - must be worn in dept's premises, indoors and outdoors - no exceptions!

Non-MACC personnel - persons involved in on-going investigations - wanting to see any officer would have to be in these secured areas. ONLY the concerned/involved officer is allowed to meet them and be ready with the necessary documents - no exceptions! Don't care if the officer is held up in another work situation.

Just do a SWOT and you would certainly come up with some incremental improvements. Understand the impact of interactions with the public in your office premises - not every Tom, Dick and Harry who come pay you a visit, can be in your office. Have a separate reception area for non-essential visitors. Hey! You are 'entrusted" with a heavy but noble duty - give your professional best! This is no play-play! HODs should be leading, coaching their men/women and walk their rounds of the office premises more frequently.

Duh!....comes elections we hear millions of ringgit being disbursed like nobody business. Now this happens, no one take the trouble to disburse a few thousand ringgit towards renovations costs!

Perception is everything in politics! There are good and bad people out there. But very few honest people! Sad but true!

Cheers!
First, someone say build a fencing at the balcony, then do a railing, now you say renovate the room. Why not just give the visitors free parachute when they go to MACC Building, why spend all this money to do this and that?

C'mon lah, if people want to commit crime, whatever you build or renovate or fence up, they will commit the crime, simple logic. :mad:

[Jennylim]

Healthy person died in Police Station!

Healthy people became dead body in Nasional Service

Now, there's a new way to die...... MACC compound!

Sadly, only minority think this is unacceptable! What happen to the mind set of majority? Do they see anything wrong? If they don't, what moral value do they subscribe? Why are they thinking differently? Is there something wrong with our education system?

[cml]

The silent majority just do not care. When it affects them personally then only would they wake up. That is how the majority of our voters have been. Once every few years they get thrown a few scrapes and goodies and they are happy for a few years. It is that easy to buy them and for that they deserve all the corrupt and despicable people who represents them.

[Justme123]

I think it is high time MACC move all its
interogation offices into single-storey buildings.

As I had thought so........

MACC directs all questioning on ground floor only
http://www.themalaysianinsider.com/
KUALA LUMPUR, April 8 — The Malaysian Anti-Corruption Commission (MACC) has ordered all interrogations or interviews to be done on the ground floor only with immediate effect, two days after a Customs officer fell to his death at its Kuala Lumpur office building.

[cml]

I tyhink that is a knee jerk reaction. If they do not stop anyone from taking a lift up to the higher floors, people can still go up and jump or be thrown out!

[Justme123]

That is more of basic problem solving technique
of elimination and reducing the number of problematic variables
for diagnosis, speculation, :confused: etc.

At least that action (ground floor) remove the possibility of the convenience of MACC officers throwing people from the higher floors, and eliminating any easier means for anyone wanting to commit suicide if they has that tendencies after being interogated or for various reasons.

Of course the above will not prevent any perverted MACC officers torturing suspects or the suspects committing suicides by other means.

[cml]

They can still bring someone up to the higher floors and say that they jumped on their own accord.

[Hopefull]

Some chief police officer said his wounds is consistent with a fall, how does he know, has he seen many who have died this way from the third floor. Just because his wounds are consistent with a fall does not mean he cant be pushed over.!

[Naka]

Aiseyman, becareful, becareful.

[Sentinel]

Some chief police officer said his wounds is consistent with a fall, how does he know, has he seen many who have died this way from the third floor. Just because his wounds are consistent with a fall does not mean he cant be pushed over.!
U should see how the Chief Editor of The Star Wong Chun Wai try to spin the incident to reflect a suicide in his twitter posts (@chunwai09) by saying "he shouldn't be left unattended" and "he should not have been left alone" - hentam him back on Twitter kau kau! :D ... and now this spin, well, Malaysia Boleh!

[jimmyay]

PETALING JAYA: Family members of late Selangor Customs Department assistant director Ahmad Sarbani Mohamed do not believe that the deceased was corrupt.

His younger brother Hassan, 53, said Ahmad Sarbani was a respectable man who would never have taken a bribe.
http://www.thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2011/4/9/nation/8447319&sec=nation

[aursong]

After months long Police Investigation...
Result of the investigation:-
the victim died from head injuries due to the fall at the MACC building

lol :confused: :eek: speechless
I thought we already knew that...

[cupofcoffee]

After months long Police Investigation...
Result of the investigation:-
the victim died from head injuries due to the fall at the MACC building

lol :confused: :eek: speechless
I thought we already knew that...

Looks like the PDRM is a bit "slow" .... or to rule out that he walked out of the MACC building alive and then was mugged and hit on the head ....

[Raikonen]

Wahahaaa...Of course anyone would have died from the fall..But why did he fall? Was he pushed? Was he threatened and dangled from the window? Was he helped out the window?

And the police have the gall to rule out foul play already!!!

Cekap, Amanah Tegas or whatever...my foot..

[Naka]

What a press statement from these ppl! :mad: :mad:

[cskok8]

This is like one of those "sudden death" verdicts.

[Raikonen]

These gestapos should be hung from the top of the petronas towers and dropped of the building! :mad:

[tictactoe]

My sis fell from 2 1/2 storeys and only broke her arm. Wonder how a grown man can die from a 3-storey fall?

[clfoo]

After months long Police Investigation...
Result of the investigation:-
the victim died from head injuries due to the fall at the MACC building

lol :confused: :eek: speechless
I thought we already knew that...

ic so now they can 100% confirm he is dead is it. these bugger never fail to make themselve a laughingstock. the cock is talking, talk like not talking. Here another free finding dun need to wait for another month, he is dead also bcos of stop breathing and heart stop beating.

[ivanhow]

This is like one of those "sudden death" verdicts.
A certain life insurance company recently had a telemarketing sales campaign to offer a certain type of insurance policy which covers a four times insured sum if the insured died of "accidental death". Now, with this type of classification, one wonders whether such an insurance policy have any good. "Sudden death" can either be 'willful' death or 'accidental' death. Classifying a death as "sudden death" is really of no value in such a circumstance at all. :eek: :confused:

Wonder why such an insurance policy ever being coined in the land of 'possibilities'. Anything is 'possible' here. Malaysia 'boleh'!!! Semuanya OK!

[ivanhow]

ic so now they can 100% confirm he is dead is it. these bugger never fail to make themselve a laughingstock. the cock is talking, talk like not talking. Here another free finding dun need to wait for another month, he is dead also bcos of stop breathing and heart stop beating.
Perhaps, the investigating team was trying to say he (victim) did not die from suffocation (asphyxia), but from a physical injury, the fall. But the reason for the fall is yet to be established... Well, now the MACC wud be happy to assist in establishing the reason for the fall via an RCI. :D to clear it's name. ;) especially when there are no witnesses for the incident/accident.

[ivanhow]

Sarbaini’s friend says he told police what MACC officer ordered him to say. (http://thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2011/7/8/nation/20110708192831&sec=nation) :eek:

Ahmad Sarbaini admitted receiving monthly bribes, MACC officer tells court (http://thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2011/7/7/nation/20110707142855&sec=nation) :confused: :eek:

But then, CCTV recordings tampered with, says witness (http://thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2011/7/7/nation/9047696&sec=nation) :eek: :confused:

[USJ27Resident]

But then, CCTV recordings tampered with, says witness (http://thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2011/7/7/nation/9047696&sec=nation) :eek: :confused:

Strange to know that CCTV recordings which is set on automatic recordings for up to many days, some up to 2 weeks can suddenly get "erased/stopped/tampered" , coincidentally at the vital timeline which could have cleared MACC... sure as heck, would raise suspicions too....

[ivanhow]

Strange to know that CCTV recordings which is set on automatic recordings for up to many days, some up to 2 weeks can suddenly get "erased/stopped/tampered" , coincidentally at the vital timeline which could have cleared MACC... sure as heck, would raise suspicions too....
The fact that all that is within the compound of the MACC building is in the control of the MACC org. MACC knows how to question and query 'suspects' to extract information and to piece them together to 'nail' a person of an offence. How can anyone just take their words when all the staff within MACC investigators are 'trained' to be experts, they will also know how to 'manufacture' evidences or 'tamper' with evidences to make it look and sound believable.

[SiangMalam]

All these inquests and RCIs are just plain sandiwaras... especially after the VK Lingam RCI where findings were disregarded.

I am more interested in the open court trial in the French courts starting 3rd week July on my favorite subjects: Submarines, red Ferrari in Malta, diamond shows in Singapura-pura and a dead pretty model from Ulaanbaatur.... ala James Bond Jilo Jilo Jeven! :D

[aursong]

http://www.themalaysianinsider.com/malaysia/article/investigator-rules-out-suicide-homicide-in-sarbaini-death/

Apparently... he JUMPED and MISSED... :eek: :confused:

[ivanhow]

http://www.themalaysianinsider.com/malaysia/article/investigator-rules-out-suicide-homicide-in-sarbaini-death/

Apparently... he JUMPED and MISSED... :eek: :confused:
Was he drunk, seeing the window thinking it's a door, or looked like as if it's a door? :D :p :)

[USJ27Resident]

Was he drunk, seeing the window thinking it's a door, or looked like as if it's a door? :D :p :)

hypothetically speaking: perhaps (for whatever reason!) he was locked in the pantry... thus forcing himself to 'escape' through the window before the MACC officers got back to him....

... sad but seems the outcome of the inquiry, ruling the unfortunate incident as an 'accidental' death, is imminent... :(

[zinglicious]

Maybe it was the " Hand of God " which scored the goal in the World Cup that pushed both of them out of the window. :p

[mick123]

the first case was an open verdict. can this be a different result? answer is simple - no.

[ivanhow]

If he wasn't drunk, then he must have been under the influence of some unseen forces, that led him to walk through the window...

One theory goes like this... here (http://www.themalaysianinsider.com/malaysia/article/rpk-sarbaini-expose-prompts-new-police-report/)
Cud that explain why the CCTV footage suddently went missing??? :confused: :D :eek:

[cskok8]

The only possible reason CCTV recordings go missing is when somebody erase or stop the recording. It cannot be yact of god

[cml]

With technology being what it is now, even erased can be recovered. The point is whether the autorities really want the recordings to be recovered. They are all on titanic.

[ivanhow]

Incidentally... Fell he did, but...
RCI rules Beng Hock committed suicide (http://www.themalaysianinsider.com/malaysia/article/rci-rules-beng-hock-committed-suicide/). :eek: perhaps, more like 'caused to commit suicide' :eek: :confused: :eek:

[jimmyay]

Sad yet angry with the whole thing. They can write all they want, and we can believe what we want too. So what gonna happen to those 3 aggresive officer? Are they protected by some sort of system too.

[SiangMalam]

If the RCI can conclude the MACC officers acted against interrogation guidelines and acted as bully and aggressor... shouldn't they be charged and dismissed? What about that Azhar fella caught downloading pornography halfway interrogating TBH? :mad:

Walk the talk Najib, let us see whether you cakap serupa bikin when you promised the TBH family justice... :mad:

[USJ27Resident]

If the RCI can conclude the MACC officers acted against interrogation guidelines and acted as bully and aggressor... shouldn't they be charged and dismissed? What about that Azhar fella caught downloading pornography halfway interrogating TBH? :mad:

Doesn't make sense - why was he interrogated when MACC has always said that TBH was a witness and not a suspect... does this mean that witnesses also can get "whacked" kaw-kaw... somewhat like a suspect :confused:

Doesn't make sense either, that a person on the dawn of his marriage would also want to commit suicide.... :confused:

God knows, and I am sure that these fellas (if they are involved) would never sleep easy.... :rolleyes:

[jimmyay]

Did they reveal what is the intimidating content? Did they threaten to bring harm to TBH family, future wife and children?

[zinglicious]

It has been said that the RCI in a unanimous decision found that TBH had been driven to commit suicide by “aggressive, relentless, oppressive and unscrupulous” interrogation by three MACC officers.
So in the context of law and justice, the 3 MACC officers had the pushed
him off the wall.
In the context of finding out the real sense, unless these officers are being paid dollars and cents under explicit or expressive orders, I find it hard to believe civil servants can prepare to grill or cook the suspect alive. :p
What's more the person is supposely the key witness, not the culprit of corruption. Therefore, it is the MACC job to push these suspects whether there is any elements or corruptions by somebody who offered RM & sens for the push Teoh. :mad:

[ivanhow]

A similar pattern might be seen elsewhere where witnesses are being 'forced' to admit. When you are outnumbered by the police (or persons with intimidating powers), you can feel threaten, and may do 'stupid' things a normal person may not do, such as 'obeying threatening orders' out of fear.

TBH's handphone holds vital clues, but it was destroyed. Why??? :confused:
The CCTV recordings at the Cheras MACC compound which hold vital clues at those critical moments went missing. Why??? :confused:

Can these be cited for obstruction of justice, destruction of evidence at the highest level?? :confused: Can we trust the MACC??? :confused:

[zinglicious]

But can we trust the govt? from the headmissy who is suppoesely to be punished for sedition act, we have hear nothing from it though the ministry has promised action to be taken after the last Hari Raya. It is ordei coming another raya and it seems that the protected missy is either scot free or probably on promotion.
Now, we are supposely to believe these 3 fellas who acted under authority of higher up be punished for zealous enforcement? :confused:

[cml]

Brothers please get anyone and everyone who can vote to register to be a voter. They can vote for whoever they like but please make sure they vote. They will know who to vote for.

[SiangMalam]

Brothers please get anyone and everyone who can vote to register to be a voter. They can vote for whoever they like but please make sure they vote. They will know who to vote for.
Hmmmm.... Pek Moh still there ah, Ming?

How to tell us who to vote when you guys in Sarawak voted to still retain Pek Moh? Cakap tak serupa bikin, you guys want to keep your NCR lands, want to prevent the Penan girls from being raped, want to maintain the rainforest, want to prevent land-grabs by cronies.... but you guys still retain Pek Moh??? Apa lah.... :mad:

[zinglicious]

But can we trust the govt? from the headmissy who is suppoesely to be punished for sedition act, we have hear nothing from it though the ministry has promised action to be taken after the last Hari Raya. It is ordei coming another raya and it seems that the protected missy is either scot free or probably on promotion.
Now, we are supposely to believe these 3 fellas who acted under authority of higher up be punished for zealous enforcement? :confused:

Back of the commercial break - now the headlines from the Star - http://thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2011/7/23/nation/20110723192036&sec=nation

But still thinking aloud - Are the officers suspend? Or are they excluded?And why is there no Heads stand up to be accounted for - directly or indirectly responsibled for the mishap?
BTW, why was that Hisham who was the Deputy Director who was directly and the ones grilling TBH in the pressure cooker was promoted to Negri Sembilan head director while his status was unclear and in the midst of investigation?
World of difference when it comes to Global gold standard Accountability and Bolehland i-Akaun. :p

[USJ27Resident]

It has been said that the RCI in a unanimous decision found that TBH had been driven to commit suicide by “aggressive, relentless, oppressive and unscrupulous” interrogation by three MACC officers.
So in the context of law and justice, the 3 MACC officers had the pushed
him off the wall.

Could it be that Raja Petra allegations is true :eek: (in his blog on the Malaysia Today) website that Ahmad Sarbani also (accidentally) fell to his death after being forced onto the ledge by a senior MACC investigator....

How la like this.... I wouldn't be suprised but sure as heck, is very plausable .... :eek:

[DarkNite]

This is very uncanny! Like it's a SOP for them.

[SiangMalam]

Could it be that Raja Petra allegations is true :eek: (in his blog on the Malaysia Today) website that Ahmad Sarbani also (accidentally) fell to his death after being forced onto the ledge by a senior MACC investigator....

How la like this.... I wouldn't be suprised but sure as heck, is very plausable .... :eek:
Would a deputy director of a state customs climb up a window ledge on the 3rd floor and jump down to the badminton court when he has children and a family at home and religiously devout as a surau imam (prayer leader)? It just doesn't make sense....

Would a 30-year old guy with a pregnant bride-to-be and getting married the next day even think about suicide? C'monlah... it all doesn't make sense!

All these so-called experts of psychology should watch the old shows from the 70s like Armegeddon Now or The Deer Hunter and see how those American soldiers were tortured in cages dipped into the Mekong.... human spirit are stronger than what these so-called psychology experts conclude... :confused:

[Rhiga]

Nothing much can be done as far as the outcome is concerned.... sad but true.

It is a well-planned and brilliantly executed development and conclusion.

I actually waited until today to post – after the Bar Council's official response to the verdict.

Legally, RCI is the highest independent inquiry in this country and the conclusion is final and difficult to quash.. (otherwise, why the heck everyone calling for RCI each time there is an incident of injustice)

The whole episodes are well-planned : you want RCI, I gave it to you…..you want independent foreign expert/opinion, I allow you…..you want to expose every single moment before and after the “fell” in the building, I gave it to you.. etc, etc

Sad to say this time they win.. the truth is no longer the focus… the process that led to the RCI conclusion give them the upper hands..

:mad: :mad:

[ivanhow]

Nothing much can be done as far as the outcome is concerned.... sad but true.
Not quite... The RCI only provided recommendations. The recommendations cud be taken up depending on willingness of those parties involved. Such as charging those who have breached the laws and such... But then again, this will depend on those charged with the task of unravelling the truth about what had transpired in the MACC officer's investigation and interogation on TBH. Though the RCI cud not pin the cause of death to murder, but at least it had establish the cause to 'driven to suicide' whatever that means.



Sad to say this time they win.. the truth is no longer the focus… the process that led to the RCI conclusion give them the upper hands..

:mad: :mad:Questions as to whether the RCI had extracted the 'whole truth and nothing but the truth' from persons involved the investigation had not been easy to come by given that "Officers lied in the spirit of brotherhood" (http://thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2011/7/22/nation/9153103&sec=nation). And this had plunged public confidence in the MACC to a whole new level.