Which Auto car has best FC?

[CS Chua]

With the rising price of petrol, it is prudent to have a 2nd car with good FC. Can anyone suggests the top 3 cars with the best FC? Auto and not manual. I am thinking the Kelisa is one of them. Any others?

[currymee]

With the rising price of petrol, it is prudent to have a 2nd car with good FC. Can anyone suggests the top 3 cars with the best FC? Auto and not manual. I am thinking the Kelisa is one of them. Any others?

Budget ? If local - I suggesy Perodua MyVi - with airbags and ABS etc ... nice good car almost can use as main car, main drawback, small boot - I don't recommend Kelisa - too light, can be dangerous .... no major safety features ...

Foreign ? - go for the hybrid - Honda Insight - got mileage etc ... drawback 2X MyVi price ...

[jimmyay]

I don't think MyVi had good FC. Vios can get better FC.

Do you travel a lot? Good FC are important when you travel a lot. and i mean like 20,000-30,000km per year. It is more important to find a car with good safety feature and low depreciation.

Let's do a quick calculation on a Myvi.
If you travel 25,000km per year. You will pay petrol of 25,000 x 0.15/km = RM3,750. Say petrol price increase around (hopefully not happen) 20% (RM1.90 to 2.30). Effect is RM750 per year.

However, depreciation of a car below RM100,000 varies all the way from RM2,500 to RM7,000 per year. This is crucial.

I understand Myvi had one of the best resale value in market now.

[gary yap]

If new car go for Myvi, cheap maintenance. If 2nd hand Vios. If boot is not an issue(for 2nd car), Yaris cos 2nd hand is cheap.

[CS Chua]

I read in the Kelisa forum that they can get 600 km on a full tank for a manual. That means 10 cent per km. For auto, it fluctuates so it is not consistent. I sat on both Kelisa and Myvi and I like Kelisa better. Maybe I should opt for manual and ask wifey to get used to it.

[gary yap]

Estimated around 1L-15km. Maybe highway at constant speed but if town(stop & go) can get 500km is good enough.

[CS Chua]

Oh, 500 km is very good. When fuel price is US$200 a barrel, 500km per full tank is king. :D

[gary yap]

Change fuel filter, transmission oil, coolant. Put in V-Power Racing to digest the deposits and bring your car on a ride along the NSE to 'rejuvenate' it. Check tire pressure.

[jimmyay]

I read in the Kelisa forum that they can get 600 km on a full tank for a manual. That means 10 cent per km. For auto, it fluctuates so it is not consistent. I sat on both Kelisa and Myvi and I like Kelisa better. Maybe I should opt for manual and ask wifey to get used to it.


Sure wanna go back to manual? Not suitable for USJ's traffic condition. Cost are important, and so are practicality in driving.

[CS Chua]

The whole purpose is lower FC in view of the coming high petrol prices. Practicality will have to take a back seat. :) Otherwise, will buy an Alfa Romeo as 2nd car. Wifey will love it. Anyway, still got Camry to use if comfort and safety is needed.

[currymee]

The whole purpose is lower FC in view of the coming high petrol prices. Practicality will have to take a back seat. :) Otherwise, will buy an Alfa Romeo as 2nd car. Wifey will love it. Anyway, still got Camry to use if comfort and safety is needed.

Suggest you go and test drive the Kelisa and MyVi - then I bet you you will take MyVi - even better get wifey to test drive - big difference :D

[CS Chua]

I already tested the Kelisa. Myvi no but sat at the back and was horrified at the bad suspension. Moreover Myvi costs more than RM12K to the cheapest (oldest) Kelisa. So, do not feel like paying so much for a 2nd car which hardly covers 500 km a month. I prefer to put the money into the 1st car, my car. :D Thinking of the newer Camry (ACV30) or the older big eye, small eye Mercedes (W210).

[currymee]

I already tested the Kelisa. Myvi no but sat at the back and was horrified at the bad suspension. Moreover Myvi costs more than RM12K to the cheapest (oldest) Kelisa. So, do not feel like paying so much for a 2nd car which hardly covers 500 km a month. I prefer to put the money into the 1st car, my car. :D Thinking of the newer Camry (ACV30) or the older big eye, small eye Mercedes (W210).

True , MyVi cost more - but for airbags and ABS and better safety features than Kelisa ... I have driven both for donkey years ... my experience, minimum MyVi - more stable and safer ... not because of you as a bad driver but the other CRAZY drivers :p

[CS Chua]

True , MyVi cost more - but for airbags and ABS and better safety features than Kelisa ... I have driven both for donkey years ... my experience, minimum MyVi - more stable and safer ... not because of you as a bad driver but the other CRAZY drivers :p
Point taken. An airbag is good. I did not know that Myvi has airbags. No wonder they are speeding on the highway.

[jimmyay]

Point taken. An airbag is good. I did not know that Myvi has airbags. No wonder they are speeding on the highway.

Seat belt saves more live than airbag. :o

[mick123]

two important factors are one's driving style and traffic conditions. for eg. wifey does about 10% higher in fuel consumption than i do on both our cars. it also depends on what you want to do with the 2nd car. if just for running around subang then it makes sense to get a smallish car. if this is the case, the mileage that you will cover will be low and the fuel savings would be small. so getting a car with better safety features will be more important.

[CS Chua]

two important factors are one's driving style and traffic conditions. for eg. wifey does about 10% higher in fuel consumption than i do on both our cars. it also depends on what you want to do with the 2nd car. if just for running around subang then it makes sense to get a smallish car. if this is the case, the mileage that you will cover will be low and the fuel savings would be small. so getting a car with better safety features will be more important.
If safety features are more important, than I will prefer the Sentra B14 model around 1996/1997. FC is good, it is auto, fuel injection with the variable valve thingy, cheap and available spare parts. The price is about the same as the Kelisa, 2000 model.

[gary yap]

B14 is a normal DOHC 16V engine with no variable valve timing. I used to have it(manual) and FC is fantastic if you control your gas pedal.

[CS Chua]

B14 is a normal DOHC 16V engine with no variable valve timing. I used to have it(manual) and FC is fantastic if you control your gas pedal.
I think you are wrong. A search in the B14 forum confirms that it has. But it does not have much significance because it only comes in at high rev.

[gary yap]

There are several trim line & engine specs of the B14 but the one you referred to with similar price as the Kelisa is without the NVTCS(variable valve). Perhaps the face-lift B14 has it.

[CS Chua]

Actually, even the B13 has VTC, if I am not mistaken. Anyhow, this car is very elusive. Apparently, together with the Corolla 1.6 SEG, these 2 are the most sought after 2nd hand car. So sad that you sold yours. I hope your current car is a better car than the B14.

[gary yap]

Current not so better la, quality-wise. It's a Toyota with all those niggling issue. My B14 was 10 years old when I sold in 2005. No issue at all. I wanting something auto so I sold it(it was manual). Most of the Nissan came with VTC from the B13(Genting taxi if not mistaken) but the ones in M'sia got the naturally-aspirated 1.6DOHC. Get the SEG if I were to choose between this 2.

[CS Chua]

Current not so better la, quality-wise. It's a Toyota with all those niggling issue. My B14 was 10 years old when I sold in 2005. No issue at all. I wanting something auto so I sold it(it was manual). Most of the Nissan came with VTC from the B13(Genting taxi if not mistaken) but the ones in M'sia got the naturally-aspirated 1.6DOHC. Get the SEG if I were to choose between this 2.
Aiyoh, the SEG is almost $20K. Over priced lah. I will rather buy the face-lift Sentra with air bag for the same sum or a Camry. The Camry is as good as the SEG.

[mick123]

Seat belt saves more live than airbag. :o
yes you are right and hopefully other drivers realise this too :) airbags are only the SRS.

[CCY]

yes you are right and hopefully other drivers realise this too :) airbags are only the SRS.
ABS will assist in preventing accident by preventing spin and improves braking . If one drive like shoemaker on normal road...unless one is in an abrams ...will surely meet the maker.

Prefer ABS more than Airbags anytime given a choice....

Low FC.....hmmm...the first thing that comes to mind is to makan less exercise more.....reduce weight whichever way...no?
...Else get the lightest car....

[CS Chua]

yes you are right and hopefully other drivers realise this too :) airbags are only the SRS.
What do you mean SRS? What does it stand for?

[gary yap]

Self Restraining System or something...

[CS Chua]

Self Restraining System or something...
I wonder how it self restrain when it will practically blow up in front of your face. :D Not a very restrained thingy.

[mick123]

SRS stands for Supplemental Restraint System. Mr Wiki defines it as "designed with the intention of supplementing the protection of an occupant who is correctly restrained with a seat belt." So the airbag doesnt mean one doesn't need to wear seat belt. I'm sure many who don't wear seat belt thinks airbag is better than seat belt ;)

[jimmyay]

NGV is a good option if you travel around Shah Alam/Klang. Quite a lot of station without the long queue in KL area.

[gary yap]

When petrol price is not high no ones thinks of NGV. By right should install now, don't wait till petrol price skyrocketed then pasang, it'll be expensive then.

[Raikonen]

Honda city

[CS Chua]

Can someone give the price of installation? And is it true that only Petronas station has NGV?

[mick123]

some time ago, some taxi drivers using sentra (n16 FL) told me it costs them 5k. naza quoted me 6k for citra. only petronas/gas malaysia has the licence to sell natural gas in any form.

[CS Chua]

some time ago, some taxi drivers using sentra (n16 FL) told me it costs them 5k. naza quoted me 6k for citra. only petronas/gas malaysia has the licence to sell natural gas in any form.
Wow, how long will it take to recover this expense? If I am not a heavy user, it is pointless. Moreover, the average Joe changes his car every 5 years so it might not be long enough to justify it.

[mick123]

Wow, how long will it take to recover this expense? If I am not a heavy user, it is pointless. Moreover, the average Joe changes his car every 5 years so it might not be long enough to justify it.
they mentioned they can do an average 100km on rm8-rm9 of NG.

[gary yap]

With current petrol price at RM1.90(RON95), assuming your car consume 12km/litreRM1.90=RM0.158/km. For NGV 100km/RM9=11km/RM1(acc to Mick)RM0.09/km, your savings maybe RM0.068/km. Say you spend RM300/mth. Maybe you have a savings of RM20+? Something like that? Not so worth it if you ask me unless our RON95 is RM2.70(as in 2008) then should be worthwhile.

[mick123]

Yeap or that you do very high mileage like the taxis then it is worth considering. also not forgetting you will still need petrol as NG is still not that widely available and will be a problem when you go long distance.

[CS Chua]

With current petrol price at RM1.90(RON95), assuming your car consume 12km/litreRM1.90=RM0.158/km. For NGV 100km/RM9=11km/RM1(acc to Mick)RM0.09/km, your savings maybe RM0.068/km. Say you spend RM300/mth. Maybe you have a savings of RM20+? Something like that? Not so worth it if you ask me unless our RON95 is RM2.70(as in 2008) then should be worthwhile.
No lah. If you are currently spending $0.15 per km and the NGV is $0.06 per km, you are saving 60% lah. That means, from the $300.00 your new bill will be $120 only which means you save $180 every month. :)

[currymee]

From what I can see about the discussion on NGV, there is ONE FLAW - no-one has factored in the possible RISING COST of NGV in tandem - only rising cost of petrol .... :p

My cylinder of cooking gas has gone up .... so logic says NGV should also go up ...

[CS Chua]

Inevitably, yes, but it will still be substantially cheaper than petrol. The negative factors are the costs of installation, the insufficient refilling stations and the space it takes in the boot. The first 2 factors indicate to me that the government is not serious about providing cheap NGV to the public. As usual it is all talk for cheap publicity. If they really wanted to, they can remove the tax on the kit, ask the manufacturers to provide NGV-fitted cars as options, and allow all petrol stations to sell NGV. There will be an instant explosion of NGV-fitted cars on the road. But no sir, they will then complain that the subsidy is getting too high. The truth of the matter is, they are not willing for many people to use this highly subsidised NGV gas.

[termibait]

Been using NG for the past 3 years and it is still running.
Cost of installation. Rm6300. Recovered in 11months as i travel 160km-200km a day. Rm0.07/km compared to rm0.20/km for my waja.most petronas in Klang valley and southern provides refilling. Not seeing any after rawang and up north.

[cskok8]

NGV is cheap because it is highly subsidized. The most efficient internal combustion engine is a modern common-rail turbo-diesel. But these engines run well only on Euro 4 Diesel. We are not even at Euro 2 yet. :o

[Fabe18]

NGV doesn't provide the cooling the normal fuel does when it's injected into the combustion chamber.... Injected fuel, whether petrol or diesel, is still in liquid form when it entered the combustion chamber and when it made contact with the hot piston crown will have cooling effect, unlike NGV, which is gaseous when it entered the combustion chamber...
So a NGV engine tends to runs hotter and drier.. There are engines running NGV ended up with damaged piston crowns when the engine is opened up for overhaul....

And yes, the most efficient engine currently is the turbo diesel engines.. And also most Euro manufacturers like BMW, VW, Audi are going to the turbocharging route as it is more efficient compared to normally aspirated engines.

[mick123]

anybody looking at hybrid for better FC?

[Fabe18]

Hybrid seem like a good option especially now with tax exemption.
The only drawback is the cost to replace the battery when time comes.... If it needs to be replaced after warranty period ends, it'll be 5 figure to have it replaced. So whatever savings would have been offset.

[mick123]

you are right..............i went to test drive a hybrid. warranty for the cell is 5 years or 140,000km while for the electric motor is 100,000km. the cost of the cell is rm13k, not too sure how much the motor is though. so this works out to be rm0.09/km assuming the cost of the cell remains and breaks down at 140,000km. on top of that, the test drive car shows a FC of 14.5km/l which translates to roughly rm0.13/km based on ron95. so in total, you pay rm0.22/km :eek: so after the test drive, i struggle to find any justification that it is more environmentally friendly or fuel savings coz this FC can be achieved by some of the small cars in the market. unless of course, one sells the car before the cell goes kaput. not too sure about the other supposedly "older" hybrid car. will go test drive and see.

[CS Chua]

At current prices the hybrid cars do not make sense to me. If I can afford or willing to pay more than $100K for a car, I will not care less if my car's FC is 20 or 25 cents per km (10-13lit/100km)

[cupofcoffee]

Hybrid are for us to SAVE THE ENVIRONMENT and reduce carbon footprint - it is not about saving you $$$$$$ :p :p This is the misconception many people have on the purpose and aim of hybrid and environmental friendly car SAVE THE EARTH NOT YOUR MONEY !!! ;)

[CS Chua]

Hybrid are for us to SAVE THE ENVIRONMENT and reduce carbon footprint - it is not about saving you $$$$$$ :p :p This is the misconception many people have on the purpose and aim of hybrid and environmental friendly car SAVE THE EARTH NOT YOUR MONEY !!! ;)
In that case, I am all for hybrid cars!! But it takes 2 to clap and I only see the consumers doing the clapping. What about the auto industry? They can reciprocate by making the cars much cheaper. And the government too. Reduce taxes to 0% including the spare parts. At the end of the day, everybody is after the consumers' pocket only. There is not much sincerity.

Btw, I will prefer electric cars over hybrid cars. Initial tests have been positive. The motorcycle industry has been very progressive than the car industry in using electric vehicle. When I was in Kunming, China, it was so pleasant not to hear motorcycle noises. Thousands of electric motorbikes roam the city.

[currymee]

you are right..............i went to test drive a hybrid. warranty for the cell is 5 years or 140,000km while for the electric motor is 100,000km. the cost of the cell is rm13k, not too sure how much the motor is though. so this works out to be rm0.09/km assuming the cost of the cell remains and breaks down at 140,000km. on top of that, the test drive car shows a FC of 14.5km/l which translates to roughly rm0.13/km based on ron95. so in total, you pay rm0.22/km :eek: so after the test drive, i struggle to find any justification that it is more environmentally friendly or fuel savings coz this FC can be achieved by some of the small cars in the market. unless of course, one sells the car before the cell goes kaput. not too sure about the other supposedly "older" hybrid car. will go test drive and see.

Like what cupofcoffee said - hybrid cars are not for saving money but saving the environment and Earth.

The fuel cells and batteries can be FULLY RECYCLED - hence you save The environment and use little fossil fuel / petrol and reduce carbon footprint.

Problem is in Malaysia, the car makers only promote the FUEL SAVING part - hence, when you do the detailed maths, does not make cents (sense) :p ... bodoh promoters !!, and totally lost the environmental aspect thinking Msian don't give a hoot ...

[ignatio103]

anyway its almost too early as taxation is on the HIGH side and
profiteering always cost in to consumer as early privilege user.. :confused:
will stick with carbon fuel till this technology is as common as flat tv ;)

[mick123]

true true that hybrids are meant more to reduce the carbon footprint. but for this particular model, 14.5km/l as indicated on its meter doesn't really help ;) so i don't see the logic of it as it still emits roughly the same amount of CO2 compared to it's sibling or other models in similar segment, right?

anyway, we can contribute to reducing the carbon footprint and at the same time save ourselves some money by reducing the idling time such as waiting in the car, with the aircon blasting, to pick up the kids or waiting for OH; go easier on the right foot; stop doing 100m sprints at the lights etc, and the best part is all these come at no extra costs and we don't enrich certain quarters through ridiculous APs :cool:

[birdy]

Anyone has any idea how the new Kia Forte 2.0 performed? I was surprised to see that the OTR price is about RM94k and it comes with 5 airbags plus all high tech features like push button to start and reverse camera on the mirror itself!

[VeeJay]

Forte is definitely on of the best value for money compared to toyota/honda of its range.

Check in Lowyat forum, there are many users and a thread dedicated there.

[mick123]

my colleague has the 2.0 Forte. his is the 4 speed auto. not too sure if you are referring to the newer 6 speed model. we went to JB in his car recently. he was flying all the way and it's quite a powerful car. gear changes is smooth, sound insulation is good and build quality is nothing to complaint about at that price. only thing is with the standard 17" 45 series rims, the ride was very bumpy.

[birdy]

Yes. I am referring to the new 6 speed Forte. Wonder how is the fuel consumption. Is the car noisy when you travelled on the highway? I mean how is the sound proof ?

[mick123]

The car was doing on average 30 to 60 kph over ;) and the FC was around 8.5L/100km. So I guess that's a pretty good FC. Sound proofing was reasonable ;)

[gary yap]

Average 30 - 60 km/hr, FC around 8.5/100km? High isn't it? At a speed of 60km/hr most cars will have good sound dampening.

[VeeJay]

Thats good fuel consumption level, at 11.7km/L The optimum FC is reached when you are driving from 90-100km/h in a highway drive.

[CS Chua]

Korean cars are cheap to buy but expensive to maintain and their resale value is very bad. Be careful.

[mick123]

Average 30 - 60 km/hr, FC around 8.5/100km? High isn't it? At a speed of 60km/hr most cars will have good sound dampening.
...........The car was doing on average 30 to 60 kph over ;) ............

.........as in over the speed limit ;)

[VeeJay]

Korean cars are cheap to buy but expensive to maintain and their resale value is very bad. Be careful.

I think the maintainance part is just a misconception, I would say the part price is pretty much the same as in its class.

[jimmyay]

Korean make second hand price value is very disappointing...sigh. If you still keen, don't buy first hand. Buy those after 2 years, and u still get the warranty.

[birdy]

Korean cars are cheap to buy but expensive to maintain and their resale value is very bad. Be careful.
It seems to me that the maintenance is reasonable. They even dare to publish out their periodic maintenance charges! Ask proton to do that if they dare.
http://www.nazakia.com.my/sedans/forte/maintenance

[jimmyay]

http://paultan.org/2011/05/02/ford-focus-tdci-1365-5-km-done-on-one-tank-of-diesel/

The winning car (Ford Focus-diesel) clocking 1,365.6 km on a single 53 litre tank

[VeeJay]

In terms of fuel economy, diesel engine gives almost double of gasoline's mileage.

[gary yap]

As reported in Motoring Quarterly Review in NST on Wed, diesel gave better mileage than hybrid.

[VeeJay]

When I was in ZA (South Africa), I would say almost 80% of my office staff was driving diesel car, and fuel consumption was just amazing, as I said its almost double, in average a full tank gives about 1-1.2km, audi, vw, etc

Really wonder why there is no such a push in Msia? :confused:

[gary yap]

New gen diesel requires a higher Euro X than our sulphur laden Euro 2. Audi S'pore warned their customers who bought their diesel unit to becareful when filling in M'sia. Anything wrong warranty is void. Volkswagon Polo BlueMotion engines returns at 3.x litres/100km.

[cskok8]

When I was in ZA (South Africa), I would say almost 80% of my office staff was driving diesel car

Really wonder why there is no such a push in Msia? :confused:

Because Proton does not have a diesel car :mad:

[ceo684]

Because Proton does not have a diesel car :mad:

There was an attempt before.. with the Hero 2.0D

[CS Chua]

Which SUV gives the best FC? Seems like all SUVs are drinkers. CRV, Trails, RAV4 are nice cars but they drink. Even my wife's Kembara thinks I own a petrol station. Time to sell off the Kembara. Naughty girl.

[SiangMalam]

For retirement, fuel consumption is important but not used as the absolute criteria. Reliability and low running maintenance is more important in a car than fuel consumption alone coz maintenance repairs and breakdown will hit your retirement fund much more impactful than another 0.5 km per litre consumption.

[bslee]

Overhearing a buddy's huge support from someone who converted from petrol to NGV gas. If you insist on long term savings, convert to NGV is a logical recommendation. There's also a 25% discount from Road tax.
My buddy is quite convinced the cost of LPG conversion on his aging Land Cruiser may be a very viable option. That tank drinks petrol and very costly to drive outstation and back, not to mention the toll duty.
I'm going to accompany my this friend to see this LC fuel conversion and of course monitor its performance. My fren very very calculative one!...in other words KHon! The other fler tokking about it even typically more calculative when comes to any expenditure!
Myself? I PAY and fill in RON97, whatever the price BECAUSE THAT CAR IS REALLY UNDERUSED! less than Rm60/month on petrol. My other banger is Kancil!...no ploplem!

[CS Chua]

For retirement, fuel consumption is important but not used as the absolute criteria. Reliability and low running maintenance is more important in a car than fuel consumption alone coz maintenance repairs and breakdown will hit your retirement fund much more impactful than another 0.5 km per litre consumption.
You are absolutely right. That was also in my mind but I was warned that the Kembara has a known issue with the GB and it costs RM3K to fix. So, since it is in good condition, I should get rid of it first. Moreover, it is so underpowered, it is really frustrating. However, we both enjoy the elevated position that a SUV gives. That is the fun part of driving a SUV. Anymore, am thinking of selling it for a Wira 1.5 Auto. About the same price anyway and the Wira is more comfortable and has slightly more power. FC is only slightly better, I think unless I get the fuel injection model.

[CS Chua]

Overhearing a buddy's huge support from someone who converted from petrol to NGV gas. If you insist on long term savings, convert to NGV is a logical recommendation. There's also a 25% discount from Road tax.
My buddy is quite convinced the cost of LPG conversion on his aging Land Cruiser may be a very viable option. That tank drinks petrol and very costly to drive outstation and back, not to mention the toll duty.
I'm going to accompany my this friend to see this LC fuel conversion and of course monitor its performance. My fren very very calculative one!...in other words KHon! The other fler tokking about it even typically more calculative when comes to any expenditure!
Myself? I PAY and fill in RON97, whatever the price BECAUSE THAT CAR IS REALLY UNDERUSED! less than Rm60/month on petrol. My other banger is Kancil!...no ploplem!
If I am a high mileage driver, I will definitely consider that. All the KLIA budget taxis use LPG. However when the mileage is so low, to spend $3K-$7k is not wise. We probably use about $100.00 per month on the Kembara since the wifey use it when I am not around.

[bslee]

We probably use about $100.00 per month on the Kembara since the wifey use it when I am not around.

Of course, of course, you know best! NGV is merely a suggestion for anyone to think about. Of course there's just as many people who INSIST on saving every sen in wherever they can save/stinge! doesn't matter RM50/month current petrol expenditure.