Mosque reduced Azan volume after resident/s complaint

[silver_bird]

Azan @ Kpg Kerinchi Mosque in KL was too loud.
Following complaint, they had to reduce the volume after after receiving 'orders from the top'.

http://www.malaysiakini.com/news/153366

How about your area especially at 6.00 am ?

[USJ27Resident]

Azan @ Kpg Kerinchi Mosque in KL was too loud.
Following complaint, they had to reduce the volume after after receiving 'orders from the top'.

http://www.malaysiakini.com/news/153366

How about your area especially at 6.00 am ?

dude,

in this matter, sorry to say this but non-muslims got no say in this - better no... best leave it to the muslim residents to complain to the imam of the mosque in the area....

if silap, salah cakap - you might end up in the same guestroom that Teresa Kok used, after the BN/UMNO/Gomen/PDRM/Home Ministry was given the impression that TK had instructed the mosque/surau to tone down... :eek:

having said that - I betcha tmrw Utusan would wayang and putar belit the story!!!

[Raikonen]

Many years back used to stay in USJ 12...where the volume got so bad that I actually moved out to avoid the din....Dunno whether it is still bad now...Pity the toddlers who needed to zzzz

Maybe the telco players can do some CSR and give the wakeup call via the mobile phones?

[cml]

Yes we have to accept that as a matter of fact. In our 1country we do not have any say at all in matters like this. Only their own kind can make noise/complain. If we do then we will be accused of disrespecting their religion so we shut the what up and bear with it. We can learn to live with it I am sure or we move away to another place where the sound is less intense. Anyway it is quite difficult to get away to a place where you simply cannot hear it. We can be very resilient creatures if we have to.

[tupai]

Azan @ Kpg Kerinchi Mosque in KL was too loud.
Following complaint, they had to reduce the volume after after receiving 'orders from the top'.

http://www.malaysiakini.com/news/153366

How about your area especially at 6.00 am ?

for a glorious mo, i tot Allah commanded it...
cheh! a lawyer can do that too? Actually, also *tabik spring* to him lah.

Allah/God/Jesus/Buddha/Deva/Deus/Yahwey/Nibokanizer/Kuan Yin/Thing Ah Kong/Dato Kong and all masters of the universe said this ...not in same words lah...but same same meaning:

"Ye Faithful, thou only need to whisper and i can hear thee..."

What it meant for ANY blur sotong puny humans is actually this ~"You can damn well scream, shout, yell with even the latest SONY loudest speakers, and back up with B&O sound breaking loud hailers...but if your thoughts and intentions are not sincere, You best go shout to the mountains, and leave the rest of us in peace!"...Ameen.

Yang Bersuara ringan latotupai :cool:

p/s Assalamualaikum. In the biggest SJ mosque, the volume like now (friday 2pm) is NOT intrusive. I resent the loud fiery oratory (like instigator igniting emotions to go to war!) at times...but i love the soothing azan in the evening. The dawn call can be disruptive to my beauty sleep but not all the time...

btw, as a matter of curiosity, Do they have a guideline for the mosq official to follow? Or just suka hati aje? :confused: :confused:

[Dervish]

It is far, far, far, far worse if it is loud and out of tune.

[bslee]

Do they have a guideline for the mosq official to follow? Or just suka hati aje? :confused: :confused:

In this issue, I think not, never had, never really an issue, generally accepted that mosque authorities know best, as far as Muslims are concerned.
Trouble is, I reckon every mosque would have different quality PA equipment installed, and can be anything from cheap to nasty to acceptable or the megaphones not installed properly, malfunctioning that result in distorted sound or worst case overdriven that it produces distorted sound to irritation.
Some prayers and recitals are likely played or amplified in the most basic fashion of mini tape player and mic. Obvious sound quality if not done properly.
I reckon the people who operate it just turn up the volume and thats it, carryon with their job, no technical adjustments, no sound tests, it serves the purpose everyday. They couldn't care less. I live in USJ9 and within short distance of Masjid Al Falakh. Its on many occasions that different volume levels are heard over a more than a decade I've lived here. Even distorted sound but no one cares and just tolerate it all, perhaps await some kind soul to rectify the problem. Yes, tolerate (so do all the people living nearby), I don't want to pick any potential fight or argument with them authorities holding the fort. You meet the right guy and talk sense, it could turn out beneficial. Talk to a wrong guy and it may flare up for nothing. Susah lah!
Trouble is, especially in Klang Valley or Subang/USJ area, we're living in a very densely populated residential area and it just happens mosques or suraus are smack in the thick of it all. I can only plead or suggest to anyone who's in charge of this to take note and be very sensitive to volume adjustments. It'll cost you nothing to be kind and sensitive to residents who may feel irritated by loud volume. Just turn it down a lil more. Tentu ada pahala kalau buat baik untuk masyarakat. Betul tak?

[tupai]

In this issue...Tentu ada pahala kalau buat baik untuk masyarakat. Betul tak?


"Our true wealth is the good we do in this world. None of us has faith unless we desire for our neighbors what we desire for ourselves..." ~ Prophet Mohammed PBUH.

My kinda man! *tabik spring* :cool:

Yang Bersetuju with HIM latotupai

[Firefly]

Me thinks that it's acceptable for the Call to prayers to be heard..but is it necessary to even broadcast the sermon? I can tolerate a loud call to prayers if it's only 1 minute but a 60min sermon at full blast is hard to take.

[tohca]

Me thinks that it's acceptable for the Call to prayers to be heard..but is it necessary to even broadcast the sermon? I can tolerate a loud call to prayers if it's only 1 minute but a 60min sermon at full blast is hard to take.
Ditto that. It's not only an earache if you live near the mosque, but they have to now installed repeaters every few roads. So there is very little chance of escape.

[bslee]

I'm just wondering if MPSJ (or other town councils) have a department handling this kind of issue tactfully. I think it'll be beneficial if there was and to absorb residents complaints and help act as a middleman to ease of any issues. I think this issue can be under the jurisdiction of a Majlis Perbandaran.
But then again, "how loud" is subjective and can't please everyone.

[Firefly]

Ditto that. It's not only an earache if you live near the mosque, but they have to now installed repeaters every few roads. So there is very little chance of escape.
You sure? If that the case, then they did not increase the volume but actually brought it closer :mad:

[Good Guy]

It all boils down to having the sensitivity and responsiblity of doing things. We need to take into consideration of others' well-being and comfort as well. That's why we have such law to curb "public nuisance".

Given the present state of mentality of some groups, and being "encouraged" to always displaying a confrontational stance, it is my oipinion that it is better to be a bit wise to ignore such "sensitive" noise problem. Hope with a change of some regime, the mentality of some people may improve to be more responsible, showing goodwill and be more tolerant towards others.

At this moment it is better just to tolerate.

[jimmyay]

Now protestor start burning 'the puppet' of the complainant. Then shout "Allah-u-akbar".
They should burn the "tops" since the order is from top.

Who is being disrespectful?
The complainant goes to the law as proper channel for resolution. Does law still exist in this country? Religion are supposed to guide us to be better and not like this.

[IanQ]

this is very funny. I think I wish to comment that certain activities by anyone living in a dense area should be moderate.

I live in Klang, and I really hate certain days of the year where they are super noisy at night. Does this make it ok just because I am of the same decendants as the others who perform the activities? I know I am super annoyed and yet...
We all should be considerate. Nothing to do with religions or race.

[Justme123]

I think, to be reasonable, there should be a standard time (precisely to the minute) and duration (as short as possible) of the call for prayer.
Normally, it appear another prayer would start after the ending of a prayer
from another mosque and this could go on for more than 5 minutes.
Preferably, the government should record a standard prayer on disk and all mosques to play the same tune.
Sermon, imo, should be banned, especially the one done early in the morning.
In terms of effectiveness, our modern mode of transmission of information via various medias (TV-specific religious channels, Internet, Newspaper) are very effective, why resort to such olden methods of using loudspeakers.
I think we must do a survey to find out whether people ever listen to those sermons at all.

I guess we have no choice but to understand and tolerate the needs of others, but we the 'tolerator' should also be given the opportunity to voice our opinions on the above for a win-win outcome.

For a start, they should apply something like the above to the morning prayer, as a sudden burst of sound out of the morning silence do give many a jolt on their system.
Not sure about others, but the prayer calls other than the morning one do not really bother me as it is buffered by various assortment of noises from our normal daily activities.

[silver_bird]

Protestors displayed name & h/p of complainant :-
http://www.malaysiakini.tv/video/20827/protesters-burn-effigy-of-azan-complainant.html

[USJ27Resident]

Protestors displayed name & h/p of complainant :-
http://www.malaysiakini.tv/video/20827/protesters-burn-effigy-of-azan-complainant.html

Not only name & phone number - even the place where he stays....

Probably preparing to migrate now... :eek:

Hmmm... it confirmed - say the wrong things and better be prepared to face the consequences...

[jimmyay]

where is the law? would ISA be taken on them since they are so aggressive? :eek:

[Raikonen]

Christians, Hindus, buddhists also pray but not hoo haa.
What's the fuss actually? If u create noise pollution, tone it down. EOS

[Jennylim]

How they response to the issue show what they have learnt from god! That is their religion's teaching.

Most people would not complain for fun, especially sensitive issue. You never know if someone is suffering from the pollution. Me and my baby were victims before, the impact is permanent. When I was suffering, I can't stop asking, do the God have a heart for people who needed rest? people who have insomnia just managed to sleep? people who is sick and just managed to get into sleep? babies who would be awaken by noise? ....

[cml]

The message is very clear to me. If I dont like I can move away, or I can move to another place or country where they do not have this issue, if i cannot take it. There is no room for discussion and thats it. I would like to thank this fella for putting me in my place and letting me know for a fact where i stand in this country whom they call 1Malaysia. Have a good weekend my friends and think about it.

[bslee]

The message is very clear to me. If I dont like I can move away, or I can move to another place or country where they do not have this issue, if i cannot take it. There is no room for discussion and thats it. I would like to thank this fella for putting me in my place and letting me know for a fact where i stand in this country whom they call 1Malaysia. Have a good weekend my friends and think about it.

I've always guessed this is all due to extreme nationalist dominance (ketuanan) that started way back in the 70's and 80's and gave root to racial and religious tensions where tolerance is probably at the lowest level felt.
Very sorry state of affairs here in this land. I really don't know how 1Malaysia is to be achieved to the highest level and superficial at best. Its becoming a case of "you adapt, not the other way around". That demo or burning of effigy is really uncalled for and the worst event that can actually happen.
France have Equality, Liberty and Fraternerty, WE HAVE NOTHING NEAR that in practice!
If PM were to be fair, those flers who demo and make a huge issue out of it should be all charged for sedition and illegal gathering. Would that happen? I think not. Malaysia mudah lupa!

[tupai]

the issue is NOT the azan...

Its always the seemingly on & on & on and agonising hour long sermon or the ceramah delivered in a 'war-like' tone & manner.

Fiery oratory and foamy rabid delivery on religious teaching is already passe lah...
]
God speaketh in a whisper to your heart. :)

Yang BerSUBSTANCE over FORM latotupai :cool:

[bslee]

the issue is NOT the azan...
Its always the seemingly on & on & on and agonising hour long sermon or the ceramah delivered in a 'war-like' tone & manner.


I believe thats a norm at most, if not all Islam dominant countries. I doubt it'll change as its always nearly like that. For purpose and intent, its very serious and straight talking, no frills no sweet conversation, get the message through and through..chisel it all in.

[tupai]

...For purpose and intent, its very serious and straight talking, no frills no sweet conversation, get the message through and through..chisel it all in.

...akin to a frustrated father screaming blue murder, threatening disowning, wielding big rottan to a wayward, loose moral, conniving, disobedient, thieving, bodoh sombong ignoramus hypocrite for a son? :confused:

if i ever had such misfortune. karma and bad fung sui to father such an evil ... i would just simply keep quiet and whisper to God to kau-tim him on the quiet. the quicker the better for all mankind.

Yang BerSUBSTANCE over Form latotupai :cool:

[DarkNite]

Not only name & phone number - even the place where he stays....

Probably preparing to migrate now... :eek:

Hmmm... it confirmed - say the wrong things and better be prepared to face the consequences...
Complaint moves out.
http://www.themalaysianinsider.com/malaysia/article/azan-dispute-solved-as-mca-man-moves-out/

[pucman]

where is the law? would ISA be taken on them since they are so aggressive? :eek:

It is supposed to be MCA/DAP responsibility.

[bslee]

Its another woe with people living in very densly populated residential areas. Can't really help it and its to be tolerated somehow in this land.
I know any rectification of some sort can't please everyone but perhaps those megaphones positioning should be looked into with more care, pointing up a bit, but that doesn't really solve any problem with high rise buildings multiple storeys higher than highest point of the mosque. Megaphones rarely have any hifi sound quality and thats one problem too. You're not going to get sweet tonal qualities from megaphone type loudspeakers.
Anyway, those demo is really a SAD and non beneficial event! I say again, sad state of affairs. I don't think there's an end to all this. Sometime in the future it'll probably crop up again.

[silver_bird]

The complainant who was awaken in the mornings by the mosque’s call for prayers allegedly wrote :-

# Several months ago, I hear the sound from the mosque to be very loud until it woke me every morning at 5.45am

# I respect the position of Islam as the country’s official religion under the Federal Constitution but my right to sleep, rest and pray in peace should also be respected.

# I am of the view that loudspeakers in any house of worship of any religion should be controlled by the authorities through clear and scientific rules like the calculation of decibels, and should not flout the law.

# Like in my hometown of Seremban, the sounds from the mosque are softer and more controlled

http://www.themalaysianinsider.com/malaysia/article/putrajaya-denies-order-to-lower-azan-volume/

This poor guy could have been you or me who has valid & legitimate reasons to raise the above points.
Instead, PEKIDA & PERKASA demanded that he be arrested under ISA. How come his appeal for peace became a threat to national harmony.
Sadly, his frustration & ill-experience can only happen in Malaysia !!!

[jimmyay]

We are not living in stone age where religion rules. We are in Msia, a democratic country with laws & order. The sad part is bias, racist, inequality practise by our govt. The complainant should be protected and the aggressor should be capture and warning them.

:mad: :mad:

[USJ27Resident]

Hmmm... after all the details that was leaked and so forth, mebbe there is another story behind the whole story (http://www.malaysia-today.net/mtcolumns/37451-october-1987-revisited)

Highly possible...

Remember - TK was stuffed in Kamunting for the very same accusations... :mad:

[silver_bird]

An MCA vice-president has urged the prime minister and religious authorities to use the present “azan” dispute to regulate the use of loudspeakers at all houses of worship.
http://www.themalaysianinsider.com/malaysia/article/mca-vp-wants-all-prayer-volumes-regulated/

Rightfully, the issue of whether sound of Azan prayer from mosques should be broadcast over P.A. System in residence should have been seriously discussed & dealt with between MCA, MIC & other non-Muslim coalition partners with UMNO when out country gain Independence in 1957. Even if it's allowed, they should have stipulated on decibel level from the loudspeakers because today's amplifiers could produce a few mega-watt of deafening sound. Perhaps, co-founders like Tan Cheng Lock, Tan Siew Sin, Sambanthan, Samy Vellu. LLS, LKY and all previous party Presidents of non-Muslim parties should stay in a residential areas next to a mosque for a week to feel whether the Azan from the loudspeaker will disturb their sleep especially at 6.00 am. After more than half a century of convenience & taken for granted attitude, even requesting the mosque to reduce the volume will end up into street protest and they demanding those complainant to be held under ISA. If Malaysia is a developing & democratic country, we'd like to ask a simple question : Where is our human right ?

[bslee]

I don't know if its out of the consequences of recent events or merely coincidental but the megaphone volume of USJ9 Al Falakh mosque have toned down the volume quite substantially past 2 days or so. It have been quite loud at times. My personal observation seems to tell me its toned down.
Hard to say what may have happened, maybe different people operate the amplifier equipment, so different volume settings can occur.
Nope..its been NO issue to me, but personally I appreciate if its not too loud. Anything too loud is unpleasant to the ears.

[aursong]

How they response to the issue show what they have learnt from god! That is their religion's teaching.


:mad: :confused: :mad: :confused:

God don't teach them to act this way...
Their religion don't teach them to act this way as well...

Don't blame god... don't blame the religion...
Blame the individuals!!!

[Hiliary]

Is it just the volume or the quality of the voice?
Some sound quite melodic, some sound like finger nails across the blackboard.

My understanding is that the call to prayer should be entrancing / inviting etc

[cml]

To me they can take the tanah and stuff it up their (where the sun does not shine) .

[Nick Chia]

We have to be tolerable to our other brothers , however notice that the prices of properties near to place of any worship is not a wise investment.

[cml]

Respect is mutual and that is something that all parties have to recognise. If one is on the receiving end all the time, there will be an eventual straw that would break the camel's back like in the case of the tunisians.

[DarkNite]

....there will be an eventual straw that would break the camel's back like in the case of the tunisians.
The Tunisians problem resolved?

[tupai]

The Tunisians problem resolved?

what the ikan the tunisian uprising gotta do with the Azan???
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Back to the mosq thingy:

"Our true wealth is the good we do in this world. None of us has faith unless we desire for our neighbors what we desire for ourselves. " Prophet Mohammed pbuh.

I am sure the good prophet meant controlling/eliminating sound pollution too. No?

Yang Berharap agama latotupai

[DarkNite]

what the ikan the tunisian uprising gotta do with the Azan???
================

Back to the mosq thingy:

"Our true wealth is the good we do in this world. None of us has faith unless we desire for our neighbors what we desire for ourselves. " Prophet Mohammed pbuh.

I am sure the good prophet meant controlling/eliminating sound pollution too. No?

Yang Berharap agama latotupai
the same stinky ikan lo.


http://www.magharebia.com/cocoon/awi/xhtml1/en_GB/features/awi/features/2010/12/26/feature-01
In response to her critics, Zghal said, "My comment focused on the need for planning for distribution of mosques so that the sounds of adhan do not intervene with one another with a clear difference from one mosque to another."

"Unfortunately my comment was misunderstood and not well taken; it was as if I were saying that the adhan was not suitable, which I never said. My comment was rather based on the idea that God is beautiful and loves what is beautiful," Zghal explained.

As far as being accused of takfir, the councillor said: "We mustn't give the opportunity to those people because they represent the enemies of common sense".

"I think that what's taking place now is some sort of exploitation by obscurantists," agreed media technician and blogger Hmida Ben Jemaa. "I don't see any justification for this violent reaction by some people to what the councillor said."

After all, he noted, Zghal did not say that she supported the abolition of adhan. Rather, she called for lowering the sound, "which is a legitimate demand even in religious terms for preserving the sanctity of this ritual", he told Magharebia.

"During the Prophet's time (God's peace and blessing be upon him), there were no loudspeakers," Ben Jemaa pointed out. "Dealing with the multiple voices of muezzins that vary in tones, sounds and readings, and different timings, would enhance the value and status of adhan and prayers," he said.

Television director Habib Jomni also supports Zghal's call to lower the volume: "Without any prejudice or anger, I would like to ask you what's wrong with a call to make the muezzin's voice beautiful and melodious that softens hearts? What's wrong with making the adhan in Tunisia capable of penetrating hearts to soften them and make souls devout?"

"For God's sake, try to ask for adhan sounds that are respectful and worthy of the sanctity of adhan instead of insulting and cursing that MP or councillor," Jomni said.

"Let's try to forget the culture of attacks and curses and establish a culture of persuasion and search for what is beautiful in a religion that God has made extremely beautiful," he added.

[tupai]

the same stinky ikan lo.

I hear ye 'loud & clear' above this cacophony of ear splitting sound :p

“The proud will not enter Paradise, nor a violent speaker.” ~Prophet Muhammad pbuh.

Yang Bersuara madu latotupai :cool:

[silver_bird]

MCA lawyer apologises, says azan row a ‘misunderstanding’

http://www.themalaysianinsider.com/malaysia/article/mca-lawyer-apologises-says-azan-row-a-misunderstanding/

He made a complain, then the Muslims protest & finally he apologise and claim it's a misunderstanding. All took place less than a week. By the way, he's a lawyer.

[zinglicious]

The lawyer had apologised, saying he could not differentiate between the call to prayer and a religious sermon.

[silver_bird]

The lawyer had apologised, saying he could not differentiate between the call to prayer and a religious sermon.

The lawyer's explanation is puzzling & confusing.
As far as loud sound is concern, what's the difference between "Call of Prayer" and "A Religious Sermon" ?

[zinglicious]

What would we expect from the retraction of statement from a practising lawyer who pleaded ignorance of dinstinctive difference and an politician wannabe from the MCA who shout aloud and later with a shuddup endings?

[currymee]

The BEST PART of this episode, coz he is an MCA leader and BN people - so "ka-kee lang", issue and matter closed asap !!! HAHAHAA ... HYPOCRITES .... if he is a Pakatan or DAP, already kena lockup with 100+ police reports NATIONWIDE and charged under SEDITION and ISA ACT !!!

Here is a clear demonstration of the BN Govt DOUBLE-STANDARD at play ... I mean the police did not even go and question him .... :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

[Hopefull]

I see it as another Bn drama to frighten the non malays and surely it worked!

[cml]

It did not work for me. I am not frightened.

[currymee]

I know this sound strange, but I really do kind of "appreciate" the azan, as it helps me to cut short dragging meetings- I will tell the other parties, time for prayers , go, go, go .... :) , excellent time-keeping and wake-up alarm call .... my house is within one-loud speaker call from the local mosque ;)

[cml]

I think all these so called ngo who protested are controlled by them. If they want to prolong the issue they will get these fellas to protest. If they want them to stop, these fellas will stop. They are all hired to do the bidding of their masters. Basically these fellas got no brain and morals. They are driven only by who pays them.

[currymee]

I think all these so called ngo who protested are controlled by them. If they want to prolong the issue they will get these fellas to protest. If they want them to stop, these fellas will stop. They are all hired to do the bidding of their masters. Basically these fellas got no brain and morals. They are driven only by who pays them.

Looks like it .... :mad:

[tohca]

You sure? If that the case, then they did not increase the volume but actually brought it closer :mad:
Absolutely. My house is at least 1KM away from the nearest mosque. When I first moved in years ago, I can hardly hear any azan or sermon issuing from the mosque. Now, they have installed a speaker on the next road (lucky thing it is not right in front of my house) near my house.

so it does not matter if your house is near a mosque or not. My brother's house in Melawati is worse. They have a few mosque there and all of them have overlapping speakers around the taman. It takes extreme level of tolerance to live there...

[kwchang]

Time to close the discussion. This issue had been debated many times in the past in this very website. I remember that in the past we had agreed that there is no problem having the call to prayer. I lived for 12 years in a flat where my bedroom was facing the loud-speaker tower ... I lived across the road from the local mosque. It never disturbed me and no one in the neighbourhood complained.

I was sent for a short course in Bogor (near Jakarta) and in that town, the mosques blare out the azan and Friday prayers and on Sundays the Catholic church blare out (equally loud) their sermons. Everyone lived happily in Bogor.