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silver_bird
02-01-2011, 07:50 PM
Selangor MB refuted the appointment of Khusrin Munawi as State Secretary by Federal PSC

# Palace had confirmed Khusrin as Selangor state secretary wef 01.01.2011.

# Ex-Perak MB Nizar suggested : MB Khalid has the power to stop Khusrin from entering his office. Make him miserable

# Constitutional law expert Abdul Aziz suggested : Take the dispute to court

http://www.themalaysianinsider.com/malaysia/article/nizar-pakatan-risks-malay-support-in-state-secretary-dispute/

http://www.themalaysianinsider.com/malaysia/article/selangor-row-heading-for-constitutional-impasse/

What is your take and prediction on the impasse ?

DarkNite
02-01-2011, 08:56 PM
What impasse!?!?
There is no impasse!
The powerful will rule!
Semua nya Boleh!
Semua nya OK!

Sentinel
02-01-2011, 11:19 PM
Why worry? If PKR takes so blardy long and submit name late and allow BN to curi the opportunity to do what they are doing now... I think PKR need to learn a lesson... they are more focused on whacking Zaid, a mess with their local elections, and Gobalakrishnan lagi, they deserve this. Sorry, no sympathy from me and I am not losing sleep over this. They have lost the plot... they are so immatured and behaved worse than UMNO fellas that they criticised... :mad:

silver_bird
03-01-2011, 12:58 AM
PM Najib's New Year's Message : "We are a government who is sensitive to the pulse of the people, we will not at all neglect the peopleís interests by making a promise or a decision which seems to be popular but is actually to the detriment of the interests of everyone"

Sensitive indeed to the extend of disappointing the people by challenging the Selangor MBís choice of SS thru back-door route and dragging royalty into this tussle. Why confused the rakyat in Selangor? Why has you gone against the peopleís wishes?

http://www.malaysia-chronicle.com/index.php?option=com_k2&view=item&id=5914:najib%E2%80%99s-new-year-message-i-don%E2%80%99t-want-to-lose-control&Itemid=2

DarkNite
03-01-2011, 07:12 AM
PM Najib's New Year's Message : "We are a government who is sensitive to the pulse of the people, we will not at all neglect the peopleís interests by making a promise or a decision which seems to be popular but is actually to the detriment of the interests of everyone"

Sensitive indeed to the extend of disappointing the people by challenging the Selangor MBís choice of SS thru back-door route and dragging royalty into this tussle. Why confused the rakyat in Selangor? Why has you gone against the peopleís wishes?

http://www.malaysia-chronicle.com/index.php?option=com_k2&view=item&id=5914:najib%E2%80%99s-new-year-message-i-don%E2%80%99t-want-to-lose-control&Itemid=2
In plain and $imple term$, "HARAP PAGAR, PAGAR MAKAN PADI"

zinglicious
03-01-2011, 08:09 AM
PM Najib's New Year's Message : "We are a government who is sensitive to the pulse of the people, we will not at all neglect the peopleís interests by making a promise or a decision which seems to be popular but is actually to the detriment of the interests of everyone"

Sensitive indeed to the extend of disappointing the people by challenging the Selangor MBís choice of SS thru back-door route and dragging royalty into this tussle. Why confused the rakyat in Selangor? Why has you gone against the peopleís wishes?

http://www.malaysia-chronicle.com/index.php?option=com_k2&view=item&id=5914:najib%E2%80%99s-new-year-message-i-don%E2%80%99t-want-to-lose-control&Itemid=2

# Of course , we wouldnt be satisfied with the critics. We would try to put more frogs in our dishes and sambal belacan and kacau kacau until pedas for the coming election.
# The power lies in the hand of ISA , PDRM or SPRM. Either thr4ow them in Kamunting, or arrest them for lighting candles and if no case , just buang kes by throwing people off the roof!
# To the present and future generations, we would be more Berjaya with legalised gamblings.
# The govt plans would be berjaya our way either you like it or not. Here comes the next 100 Towers and more jets without engine. Who said we have to buy submarine to submerge?
# mana ada experiment? As long there is X on the ballot papesr by blurred sotongs, or no X by unregistered voters, there is a renew chance we repeat what has been done since TDM era.
# The govt is always reponsibled to the economy where cooking stories where cooking palm oil , sugar and flour is out of stock. Toll would be going upjust like the energized Tenaga of TNB.
# Of course we are sensitive and would arrest anybody who try to light up a candle though it is not popular and peaceful way because it is detrimental to the interest of people in Be End.
# Korek, korek, korek. That is exactly what happened to Malaysia while other countries in the regions has gone leaps and bounds while we are still like katak di bawah tempurung.
# yes, we learnt a lot from 2010, that is why from katak dishes, we going to have more exotic fusion dishes to create more illusions and confusions to achieve our vision back to 2/.3 majority where we would be more stimulated by doing it our way or the Semi Value highway. Now, we probably renamed it Par Value by the way.

From the Mean Chef can be a wannabe YB ( Yand Bercerita ) or YAB ( Yang Amat Berbohong ) politician leaders who can cook up boleh stories in this Bolehlandwith artificial flavorings or enhancers.Or I can sweetened it with aspartamate without sugar and without you knowing it.

The above was quoted from the thread about Najib message New Year 2011 wishes and reminders.

PM Najib wish Malaysians "HAPPY NEW YEAR 2011" and reminds you of these .....

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# Letís not be satisfied and just sit back to be mere critics. Letís mould a better future for the coming generations

# The power to build lies in the hands of the people. Fulfill this responsibility as best as you can

# To the present generation, do not gamble away the future of the coming generations by making wrong decisions

# The Governmentís plans and programmes would not be successful without the support and cooperation of the people

# This is not the time to experiment, but a time to renew and strengthen the trust in what has been proven to be effective

# The Government always adopted full responsibility in the management of the country, especially the economy

# We are a government who is sensitive to the pulse of the people, we will not at all neglect the peopleís interests by making a promise or a decision which seems to be popular but is actually to the detriment of the interests of everyone

# Any government which promised or formulated popular but irresponsible policies would gain recognition or support in the short term, but in the long term it would be the people who would suffer

# We have learnt from mistakes, throughout 2010, so we'll built a strong foundation to ensure that the nationís potentials and resources can be stimulated and mobilised towards achieving the national vision


http://thestar.com.my/news/story.as...1511&sec=nation

Dear Mr PM,
The Alliance & National Front had ruled & govern our county since we gained Independence in 1957 but Malaysians unity & solidarity is getting from bad to worst. Your reminder is timely, therefore I would like to give other parties a chance in the next GE 13. Hopefully Malaysians will be one united community and respect each and everyone's religion, culture & tradition irrespectably of creed & colors.

silver_bird
03-01-2011, 10:39 AM
Good morning Selangorean .....
http://www.themalaysianinsider.com/malaysia/article/khusrin-begins-duties-as-selangor-state-secretary/

Circus came to town, the show is about to start shortly.

Firefly
03-01-2011, 10:50 AM
Interesting..Maybe PKR should accept this and use this as a opening for a free and open state.

zinglicious
03-01-2011, 11:52 AM
I wondering is it for show as he was all awaken to show up for photographs by the press or it is a norm for him to be a shinning example of a civil servant to clocked in at 6.30 a.m. :confused: ? http://thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2011/1/3/nation/20110103103334&sec=nation

silver_bird
03-01-2011, 12:14 PM
Former Court of Appeals Judge Datuk N.H. Chan cautions against court action in Selangor State Secretary stand-off
http://www.themalaysianinsider.com/malaysia/article/ex-judge-cautions-against-court-action-in-state-secretary-tiff/


Meanwhile, a former Federal Court Judge said both the Malaysian and Selangor constitutions empowered Selangor MB Khalid Ibrahim to override the ruling BN (Federal governmentís) pick for SS and come up with his own man for the job. The crisis started because the PSD did not follow proper procedure; instead of handing its list of candidates to the MB for consideration and waiting for confirmation, the Federal Commission bypassed the state and approached the palace for approval & appointment.
http://www.themalaysianinsider.com/malaysia/article/khalid-has-constitutional-right-to-choose-state-secretary-says-ex-jurist/

ivanhow
03-01-2011, 03:06 PM
Looks like the Federal Govt has a hidden agenda in recommending the appointment for the SS and to have the royalty endorse the appointment. At best, the appointment can be seen as done not in good faith.

If the recommendation for the appointment was not done in good faith, perhaps the consent to the appointment be withdrawn by the Royalty to protect His integrity.

The state government is of utmost important, and the consent by the royalty to the appointment must be that carefully reconsidered, or suffer in the end as a result of such an action, and may lead to confusion and anger by the Rakyat. It is hoped that the learned Royalty be able to do the right thing for His State.

tupai
03-01-2011, 04:25 PM
L... It is hoped that the learned Royalty be able to do the right thing for His State.

I thought today is Jan 3..din know time really flies and its already April 1. :eek:

Yang BerLOL latotupai :cool:

DarkNite
03-01-2011, 04:30 PM
I have yet to see such action that benefits the Rakyat and not just a particular segment.
BTW Boleh percaya ke? >> Sultan says no power in state secretary row (http://www.themalaysianinsider.com/malaysia/article/selangor-sultan-says-no-power-in-state-secretary-row/)??
Siape ade?

tupai
03-01-2011, 04:42 PM
Yang Biadap went for a short nap...woke up, read Darknite's link and now prep to be corrected.

For once a leader can see that he is nothing but justa elcheapo blur sotong, to be played by those with vested political interest...By taking a neutral stand, he effectively becomes the Rakyak's champion.

If the link was true...then its deservingly Daulat Tuanku! :)

Yang Baru Bangun latotupai :cool:

Sentinel
04-01-2011, 01:41 AM
Yeah sure, Muhyiddin also said as DPM/Minister of Education, he has no power over the action of the headmistress from Kulai who allegedly made racist remarks... yeah of course, Sir!

Anyway, can BN retake Selangor? If they could, it is because some PR assemblymen cross over... if that is the case and we have frogs waiting to hop (and collect cash on the way), then I think BN should take it back, coz PR would not be deserve of the state in the first place, no?

ivanhow
04-01-2011, 11:52 AM
If the State Secretary issue is not resolved, it may end up with another constitutional crisis as we have seen in another state.
The fall of Perak was partly contributed by the State Secretary who summoned the police to prevent Nizar Jamaluddin from entering his office. The SS can be so powerful as to prevent the MB from doing this and that... :eek:

ivanhow
04-01-2011, 11:55 AM
Yeah sure, Muhyiddin also said as DPM/Minister of Education, he has no power over the action of the headmistress from Kulai who allegedly made racist remarks... yeah of course, Sir!

He must have meant that his machai has more power... (than him).

Mat Bruce
04-01-2011, 05:02 PM
Yeah sure, Muhyiddin also said as DPM/Minister of Education, he has no power over the action of the headmistress from Kulai who allegedly made racist remarks... yeah of course, Sir!

Anyway, can BN retake Selangor? If they could, it is because some PR assemblymen cross over... if that is the case and we have frogs waiting to hop (and collect cash on the way), then I think BN should take it back, coz PR would not be deserve of the state in the first place, no?

Incorrect..it is premature to judge PR and only because of PR wins in Selangor,Perak,Penang, we can see a more relenting and a more rakyat focused BN. We have to continue to work towards a 2 party systems.
Yes, we are equally surprised at the shortcomings of PR, but it is nearest to the 2 party system that most developed countries have. This is a rare occurence in our Malaysia history and opportunity like this will not come easily our way in another century.. without violence.

This is a very hard-earned victory for the country and not just PR or BN. I think PR deserve a chance to rule because we want a 2 or more party systems with a good balance of power- these leads to squabbles between the parties but hey...at least everyone is trying to please the rakyat..isn't that the ploy? Let me reminds everyone of this phrase "absolute power absolutely corrupts", so if one party is strong forever, it builds arrogance and mati-lah the ordinary people like you and me..

If you think I could be right,please say so..

Sentinel
04-01-2011, 05:20 PM
Mat Bruce, you are trying to convince one who is already converted. I am openly said I am a supporter of PR and I am for the 2-party system. But having seen what happened in PKR (not PR), I am really wondering if ever this party is ready for Putrajaya. Imagine, a guy like Gobalakhrishnan actually sulking and caused a huge dent to the party by publicly ranting on Tweeter, thinking he is Vice Presidential stuff... I shudder thinking about it! Don't this people know no shame? I have personally crossed path with Gobalakrishnan in Permatang Pauh, Bagan Pinang, K Trengganu and Hulu Selangor by-elections... no lah, he is not even suitable to be an MP to be honest and he wants to be VP? Why, to be a Minister should PR takes Putrajaya? Aiyoyo...

silver_bird
04-01-2011, 07:54 PM
The Selangor palace has hit out at MB, State Speaker, Sri Muda & Kampung Tunku ADUN, who had made inaccurate, misleading and treacherous statements over the appointment of new SS. Emergency state assembly meeting cannot be convene without the consent of the Sultan.

http://thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2011/1/4/nation/20110104182524&sec=nation

What's happening now !!!

ivanhow
04-01-2011, 08:25 PM
Is this a prelude to another constitutional crisis? :eek:

shthang
04-01-2011, 10:21 PM
another man made political crisis.........thanks to the loctor spin in putra-tak-jaya

Sentinel
04-01-2011, 10:53 PM
The Selangor palace has hit out at MB, State Speaker, Sri Muda & Kampung Tunku ADUN, who had made inaccurate, misleading and treacherous statements over the appointment of new SS.Who are you to decide what is accurate and what is inaccurate or which is leading or otherwise and which is treacherous?

compounding
04-01-2011, 11:07 PM
another man made political crisis.........thanks to the loctor spin in putra-tak-jaya

if the MB accepts that he has no prerogative in choosing Selangor state SS in the 1st place then there will be no man made crisis. :o

Sentinel
05-01-2011, 12:36 AM
if the MB accepts that he has no prerogative in choosing Selangor state SS in the 1st place then there will be no man made crisis. :o
Would a CEO of a state forego such prerogative in selecting the No. 1 administrative officer of his state? :confused:

bslee
05-01-2011, 01:19 AM
Too busy, overlooked, thought it would be just another department's or kuncu's task, thought it would be silky smooth no ploplem process BUT then, sneaky flers stealthily sneaked in that ONE chance and beat them to it...BAD luck! Just have to be ontop of EVERYTHING and keep ahead of enemies in this filthy game, This ain't some soccer match, its for REAL!

silver_bird
05-01-2011, 02:06 AM
Balai collecting more & more Police reports
http://thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2011/1/4/nation/20110104194715&sec=nation

silver_bird
05-01-2011, 12:01 PM
Selangor joining Singapore ?
http://www.themalaysianinsider.com/malaysia/article/utusan-calls-for-malays-to-defend-selangor-in-khusrin-row/

What a racist remark !!!

Sentinel
05-01-2011, 01:11 PM
What the report said was Selangor joining the likes of Singapore in becoming a Chinese-controlled place, it never stated Selangor is joining Singapore per se... aiyoh....

cml
05-01-2011, 01:25 PM
The spin is all by the local msm. You and i were not there so how would we know what transpired. I think Khalid was trying to play the same game as umno, make the statement first because no one will know if the sultan is really angry with them for making such a statement. It is not like they would flog him in public. Reminds me of someone who was given a right royal greasing by a royal who at that time was not sultan. The person came back and told us that tuanku praised him and commended him for what he had done. I checked with one of the hangers on who was there and was informed that he was given a greasing by tuanku so there you see my friends. It is all in what you dare or dare not say. Let it be published and take the consequences as they come. Anyway i think that the bee end gomen is trying to get people to fight their wars.

silver_bird
05-01-2011, 02:05 PM
What the report said was Selangor joining the likes of Singapore in becoming a Chinese-controlled place, it never stated Selangor is joining Singapore per se... aiyoh....

That was a teaser caption.
Does a professional football player work or play for the club?

ivanhow
05-01-2011, 03:59 PM
..You and i were not there so how would we know what transpired.
How true.
How do we know whether the palace's private sec was not under the influence of some unseen hand and might have been prompted to make such statements to start a crisis?

isarahim
05-01-2011, 04:16 PM
The Selangor palace has hit out at MB, State Speaker, Sri Muda & Kampung Tunku ADUN, who had made inaccurate, misleading and treacherous statements over the appointment of new SS. Emergency state assembly meeting cannot be convene without the consent of the Sultan
I think it's important not to confuse the Sultan's private secretary and the Palace.

In the latest statement; the private secretary seems to speak for himself and not on behalf of the Palace.

He's taking a clear political stance which I think is upsetting the Sultan very much.

aursong
05-01-2011, 04:19 PM
http://www.themalaysianinsider.com/malaysia/article/utusan-calls-for-malays-to-defend-selangor-in-khusrin-row/


...Hindus in India enjoyed supremacy in their countries...

Some facts the Utusan author should know before taking India as its argument...

India has a number of Sikh religious President and Prime Minister throughout the years...

Out of the twelve Presidents of independent India, three were Muslims...

Chief Justice of India also being held by Muslim on several occasion...

Btw... India is the only country in the world where the government subsidizes the airfare for the Hajj pilgrimage...

read-lah some Wikipedia...

bslee
05-01-2011, 04:33 PM
...Hindus in India enjoyed supremacy in their countries...


Sorry man!. This is Malaysia... and things don't work the same here and history records that those in power will do ANYTHING to stay in power even if it defies logic, reason or relative comparisons elsewhere. It all started when that former PM stood up to the world and told them practically go to hell with what you think about this land and how its governed.
They'll continue to exercise and taunt supremacy issues and there's NOTHING anyone can do except at any GE, meanwhile you tolerate it all as long as you agree to exist here as a citizen. I can't see any fortunes change in my lifetime at least. Its all rosak to the core and the rakyat are now at the loosing end. Only personal material wealth becomes a thick buffer between your personal frustrations and enjoying life where capable.
Everyone in the mid to lower income (regardless of race) WILL SUFFER or be VICTIMIZED (like harga barang naik for no damn good reason) to any extent at the rate this kind of politics and dirty games continue its course.

Sentinel
05-01-2011, 07:30 PM
That was a teaser caption.
Does a professional football player work or play for the club?
Dunno... you tell me lah...

silver_bird
05-01-2011, 07:57 PM
Dunno... you tell me lah...

Perhaps,the correct answer is : " play for the club "

ivanhow
05-01-2011, 08:29 PM
According to the Chief Secretary to the Government, Tan Sri Mohd Sidek Hassan there was no law or procedure requiring the PSD to consult the Sultan or the MB in selecting the State Secretary, as reported by the StarOnline (http://thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2011/1/5/nation/20110105193817&sec=nation). It was done out of courtesy said Tan Sri Mohd Sidek in the report.

Sentinel
05-01-2011, 09:03 PM
Perhaps,the correct answer is : " play for the club "
I dunno what you are saying, to a player, play is work because he gets paid to play. So what are you trying to say to me or the forumers here? What has this metaphor got to do with your so-called teaser of Selangor joining Singapore? :confused:

KahHeng
05-01-2011, 09:48 PM
Why worry? If PKR takes so blardy long and submit name late and allow BN to curi the opportunity to do what they are doing now... I think PKR need to learn a lesson... they are more focused on whacking Zaid, a mess with their local elections, and Gobalakrishnan lagi, they deserve this. Sorry, no sympathy from me and I am not losing sleep over this. They have lost the plot... they are so immatured and behaved worse than UMNO fellas that they criticised... :mad:


yup, their mistake and us rakyat suffers from it.. >.<

ivanhow
06-01-2011, 10:23 AM
yup, their mistake and us rakyat suffers from it.. >.<
Not exactly, it's a learning curve for the PR as these are new to them. How things work out in the past were never of concern to anyone except to the garmen of the day. Now that it is of their concern, they have to act it out like it or not. After knowing that the selection of the SS is not in the hands of the state this becomes an issue if the state is not ruled by the same party at the federal level. If this is not resolve, it may lead to another crisis as we see in the silver state. This example must serve as reminder. They shud have realised it and make it an issue much earlier to have a sitting to ammend it with the consent of the sultan.

isarahim
06-01-2011, 11:41 AM
Actually it wasn't a mistake. It wasn't even late.

The mandate of the previous SS is running out in March 2011.

The PR state government just followed a fair and transparent procedure.

ivanhow
06-01-2011, 12:13 PM
..The mandate of the previous SS is running out in March 2011.

If this is the case, how is it reported that his last day of office is Friday 30th of December 2010. Wasn't the MB informed of this much earlier, otherwise he (the previous SS) can be assumed to report to someone else other than the MB? It would be natural to assume that the previous SS opted for an early exit (or retirement) or else was asked to take an early exit/retirement. Nice to hear your bit as always.

compounding
06-01-2011, 06:00 PM
quote from the Sultan :o

"Beta ingin menegaskan bahawa pelantikan Setiausaha Kerajaan Negeri Selangor ini adalah mengikut peraturan-peraturan serta prosedur yang telah ditetapkan oleh Undang-undang Tubuh Kerajaan Selangor dan Perlembagaan Persekutuan," titahnya.

http://news.mylaunchpad.com.my/local/BM/article?Key=0dd948ac-148e-45f0-8209-19f196590555

isarahim
06-01-2011, 07:02 PM
If this is the case, how is it reported that his last day of office is Friday 30th of December 2010.
The way I understood it is that he was offered earlier retirement by the CS. But I could be wrong.

Khalid said that the previous SS was due for retirement in March 2011 and I do tend to believe him rather than Sidek and - evenmoreso - Munir.

isarahim
06-01-2011, 07:07 PM
And back to the title of this thread:

How will Selangor State Secretary dispute be settled ?

I don't think it should be settled.

I think it should linger on; as a reminder that the Federal and State constitutions are under persistent attack; and gradually shredded to pieces by certain parties.

The Perak coup is not yet settled so why should this one?

Sentinel
06-01-2011, 10:49 PM
Aye! Aye! YB IsaRahim... (thumping the table)... :D

Honestly, if this neww SS is not trusted by the government of the day, does it matter if he is around or not because I believe the MB and EXCO would not trust him with anything. Having said that, his presence is required in State EXCO meeting, so how to overcome that impasse? :eek:

ivanhow
07-01-2011, 05:39 AM
The way I understood it is that he was offered earlier retirement by the CS. But I could be wrong.Most probably so.

If it is true that the CS has asked the previous SS to make an early exit, so can the new SS be removed or transfered to another position elsewhere.

If what Kim Quek's argument (http://www.themalaysianinsider.com/breakingviews/article/khusrins-appointment-void-without-mbs-acceptance-kim-quek/) is correct, then the state could have the option to reject the candidate on grounds the state exco cannot work with the candidate 'seconded' to the state from the federal level and since this secondment need not obtain the approval of the sultan, in which case the consent by the sultan is merely an exercise of 'blessing' and not an act of approval nor an act of appointment as these acts are regarded as executive in nature (http://www.themalaysianinsider.com/malaysia/article/sultan-has-no-executive-powers-say-law-experts/) whereas the sultan is regarded (as having no executive powers), only a figure head.

The ball should now be in the Chief Secretary's court to transfer the candidate elsewhere, and to second a new candidate acceptable to the state.

cml
07-01-2011, 10:24 AM
I suppose it is better to know who stands where now rather than later, when there is a real and proper constitutional crisis. Remember the tin state when everyone was wishing and hoping (ala Dusty Springfield) that the so called enlightened one would do the right thing and even the son who at that time was seen to be a beacon of hope in the messages that was sent out by him. At the end it was a bitter disappointment. So it is better to know it now that in the event of something like that do not place too much hope on them so it is better for the rakyat to do the right thing and give the alternative enough space so that they do not get manuvered into a tight corner. If they cannot do it then tell them to fly a kite. As it is now their hands are tied.

currymee
07-01-2011, 10:30 AM
All these events have led me to conclude that if Pakatan is going to win - it better win with a CLEAR UNASSAILABLE MAJORITY as it seems that most of the "institutions" that are supposed to be independent are actually pro-BN and UMNO - like cml said, fair enough, better to know now than later ....

cml
07-01-2011, 10:34 AM
We should endeavour to give them a clear majority so that these partial institutions cannot do anything to reverse the results. If they screw up after that then they cannot blame anyone else but themselves.

ivanhow
07-01-2011, 11:14 AM
Option now is to have a strong message sent to the Federal level and to have the CS removed from office if he does not act to the request of the State since the sultan does not directly involve in the selection and appointment, but merely bless the candidate in a ceremony. Also, since this does not directly involve the sultan, the problem had to be resolved between the state and the federal level, and not drag the ruler into the problem. Attempting to amend the state constitution at this point in time without a clear two-thirds majority will be an exercise in futility. Relying on the independents and the opposition to support the ammendment is wishful thinking.

KahHeng
07-01-2011, 11:24 AM
We should endeavour to give them a clear majority so that these partial institutions cannot do anything to reverse the results. If they screw up after that then they cannot blame anyone else but themselves.

yup, call for a state election immediately, us rakyat will do our part (i hope) and give the appropriate team the 2/3 they need to revert the state constitution back to before (or may be enhance it to make it better than before) and return the state administration to the direction of the state's rakyat... :D

ivanhow
07-01-2011, 11:28 AM
yup, call for a state election immediately, us rakyat will do our part (i hope) and give the appropriate team the 2/3 they need to revert the state constitution back to before (or may be enhance it to make it better than before) and return the state administration to the direction of the state's rakyat... :D
Fat hope. Haven't we learnt that the ruler may not consent to the dissolution of the State Assembly, we had seen it played out in the silver state? Moreover, it isn't a situation that warrants a dissolution of the Assembly.

isarahim
07-01-2011, 07:14 PM
Haven't we learnt that the ruler may not consent to the dissolution of the State Assembly, we had seen it played out in the silver state?
I'm not a constitutional expert. But there is one major difference. In the silver state - after the three frogs were paid off - there was no majority. And after the frogs declared loyalty to BN, BN was in majority.

In the pewter state, however, PR is still in clear majority.

So we can only hope that PR has learnt from the mistakes and have better quality Aduns - with no gambling or along debts - and that don't jump just because Vincent Tan or Mohktar or whoever dangles a cheque in front of them....

bslee
07-01-2011, 07:28 PM
Just hope PR retains it next term, if not..

cml
08-01-2011, 11:44 AM
If the numbers are overwhelming then the loyals cannot refuse to recognise unless they think that they can become absolute again but who would want that?

Sentinel
08-01-2011, 10:22 PM
I also want a new Mayback like the ones driven by my counterpart in the silver state, hey I am the pewter state you know... my Roll Royce Phantom only not enuff leh...

USJ27Resident
08-01-2011, 11:36 PM
As always, what makes common sense (logic) to most, is often disregarded by those that find themselves above the rest... of the minions... !! :rolleyes:

NIce Interpretation / Logic (http://www.freemalaysiatoday.com/2011/01/08/khusrin-ni-bekerja-untuk-siapa-sebenarnya/)

anyway - as 'they' say, who gives a sh**.... most would have forgotten this mini-drama when the next one comes... :rolleyes:

ivanhow
15-01-2011, 02:24 AM
Looks like there is still no clear resolution in sight, even with a special sitting of the State Assembly. In such a case, might be a special parliament sitting to get this resolve at the Federal level will need to be sought but this does not even come easy, as we can foresee. The CS must take responsibility for the impasse and not brush the issue aside as he as done. He as not done justice to his good office of serving the needs of the state. That being the case, he should step down from office.

ivanhow
24-01-2011, 05:50 PM
Dr.M says, "the federal constitution was never changed (http://themalaysianinsider.com/malaysia/article/constitution-was-never-changed-says-dr-m/) despite the 1993 ammendments that limited the powers of the monarchy", and hence "there is nothing to go back [to]".

Since the ammendment will fail to be passed, Selangor may take Khusrin after all (http://www.themalaysianinsider.com/malaysia/article/selangor-may-take-khusrin-after-all/). The state will have to adapt and accomodate him.