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cml
12-10-2010, 11:07 AM
After any horrific accidents involving public transport our politicians would make all sorts of statements about doing this and that and this time the fella who is supposed to be in charge of transport says that the authorities would be given more power to prosecute drivers who are on substance abuse. Why is it that they cannot legislate that seat belts be made compulsory on buses just like in cars and planes. These buses are travelling at more than 100km/hr most of the time and passengers are just 'protected' by the seat in front of them and in the case of the front passengers by just the windshield in the event of an accident. An impact would see passengers flying out through the windows. Are the structures of our buses strong enough for seatbelts to be anchored to them. I see a lot of modern looking buses but it is all in the thin piece of aluminium or steel and glass which does not provide much structural strength in the event of a crash. Can we not have laws to legislate the construction of buses . To me these would be more effective than all the hot air generated every time an accident happens. Dont tell us that this will inflate the cost of public transport because lives are much more precious than that.

jimmyay
12-10-2010, 01:57 PM
Until the son of some big-shot politician is throw out of a reckless bus, all are just pushing blames and tai-chi only.

Sad but true, sigh.

Dervish
12-10-2010, 02:01 PM
Enforcement. That's all that is needed IMHO. You can strap everybody down but what's the point if the bus carry on speeding like there's no tomorrow?

cml
12-10-2010, 02:10 PM
WE have the laws but it needs enforcement. Those who have been summoned should acquire demerit points and these demerit points should make them ineligible to drive anything let alone a public bus. But there is no will to enforce the law because this and that bus company is owned by this and that person and they have the clout to make sure that their drivers are not severely treated.

Dervish
12-10-2010, 02:13 PM
... and thus began our troubles...Unfortunately Jimmyray's "son of some big-shot politician is throw out of a reckless bus" scenario will never happen.

cml
12-10-2010, 02:19 PM
Btw I think the guard rails may also be substandard. They are supposed to prevent vehicles from being driven over the other side. I am sure there are guidelines for their impact resistance and if they are not properly installed e.g. the foundations are not prepared or concreted properly then it would not serve the purpose of preventing cars from crashing over to the other side.

Yes you will never hear of vip children going anywhere on buses and I am sure some of them have never even been on a bus!!

USJ27Resident
12-10-2010, 03:42 PM
Btw I think the guard rails may also be substandard.

Yes you will never hear of vip children going anywhere on buses and I am sure some of them have never even been on a bus!!

well.... mebbe when a bus comes flying from the other side of the road into a car full of VIP young brats, sorry - I mean, kids... :eek: then something would kick in....!

joni
12-10-2010, 04:11 PM
Btw I think the guard rails may also be substandard. They are supposed to prevent vehicles from being driven over the other side.

For that hugh bus with full load passenger plus speeding easily exceed 110 km/hr in the fast lane ! The guard rail installed does not design for that kind of impact.
The bus just ramp over the guard rail, most of the g/rail pole are still there. The impact is too great for the guard rail to absorb dude :D

jimmyay
12-10-2010, 05:18 PM
wait till govt to do it, then too late!
Can we start a facebook group and then post the detail of bus (reg plate and company) that go on speeding.
Let public pressure the company. Boycott them.

Is their limit 110km/h or 90km/h?

REMEMBER THIS ONE? 20 DIED!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w4WyCokn3eI

:mad: :mad: :mad:

cml
13-10-2010, 10:33 AM
I still remember the old days when we used to squeeze into the buses when I was commuting from Seremban to KL. They were using the old Seremban trunk road and usually it was full from KL and by the time it reached Kajang we would be able to get a seat!! Those buses were built solid but pretty uncomfortable by todays standards , the old Foh Hup buses. I think the buses these days are travelling at far higher speeds, I know cos I have been overtaken by them when I am doing 120/130. I dont think the structure are any better than the buses of old.

Dervish
13-10-2010, 11:06 AM
... I think the buses these days are travelling at far higher speeds, I know cos I have been overtaken by them when I am doing 120/130. I dont think the structure are any better than the buses of old.
And if you make the mistake of overtaking some of them, they would tail you till they're really close, flash their headlights and when they overtake you, they'd even glare down properly at you for good measure. :mad: :mad:

The only way to humble them is to slow them down at parts of the highway going uphill. :D :D ~~~ I know. This is dangerous but when the opportunity arises.....:D:D

zinglicious
13-10-2010, 11:22 AM
It is not an act of Gods where accidents happen in Malaysia. I didnt own any car while I was in US and traveled extensively throughout with bus and train. Never once, did I observe the drivers taking risks with speedings. from short haul buses to long range buses like Greyhound which goes states to states.

isarahim
13-10-2010, 05:51 PM
One of the measures should be to mandate use of GPS/GPRS logger with backup FM radio device in every bus. The logger will give real time information about the bus' movements. It should be just as mandatory to have a fully functional such device as it is mandatory to have brakes.

cskok8
13-10-2010, 06:39 PM
Agreed. Now we just have to decide which company will be the sole distributor and installer of such a device. I propose cskok8 Sdn Bhd, a soon to be formed RM2 company.


Seriously, a similar solution was supposed to be implemented during the former, former transport minister's term of office. However after delaying a few times, it was finally abandoned.

bslee
13-10-2010, 07:16 PM
I ain't too sure about the fact whether heavy vehicles (other commercial vehicles included?) aren't allowed to overtake (obviously going to the right lane to do so) at anytime. They're supposed to stick to speed limit and just cruise all the way to their destination.
But then we see macam macam stunts on the road and making the situation more dangerous, especially going uphill where they're at crawling speed (especially normal aspirated commercial vehicles without turbo?, surely anyone have seen snail crawling ancient Merc 911 going uphill)
Imagine an uphill 2 lane highway or trunk road going uphill and you're trailing behind, suddenly a lorry attempts to overtake another slow crawler in front and you're just behind waiting to bypass them all on the left lane.
I should think ALL heavy vehicles must stick to the left lane all the time, stick within speed limits and forbidden to overtake at anytime. Any cars trailing behind these heavy vehicle MUST be very alert for any eventuality.

zinglicious
14-10-2010, 02:38 AM
Carrot or sticks, where it comes to Malaysians drivers, they turn into Dare Devils zooming from right to left, lack of sleep to zoombies pills, lorries to buses, 90km/j to 120km/j. Road safety campaigns from newspapers to toilet papers, Radio to TV media - all waste ways , monies and energy.
Not only they dont care, but they would give a hoot about other people safety.
Heck, I just got banged again at my bum yesterday. This time it was a trak sampah driver who was busy talking on the handphone. he got down to say " sorri, tak nampak". :mad: :confused: :mad:

zinglicious
14-10-2010, 08:47 AM
Safety belts for the passengers? I think it should be safety hancuffs for those drivers zoombies who have passengers lives under thier feet with Syabu. No wonder we can see them zooming away with more than 120km/j on the highways and byways. http://thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2010/10/14/nation/7218227&sec=nation

joni
14-10-2010, 12:44 PM
Its all up to 1Malaysia Authorities to enforce the Law and take stern actions against these HOPELESS bus companies to ensure safety of the passengers and the highway users. Should it be any reckless drivers, reported by passengers or road users with evidence, the Law should take aways the drivers' licence for life & imposed heavy fine against the Company say RM25,000.00 for each accident & compensate RM500,000.00 each for causing death to the passengers or road users. I opined most of the HOPELESS bus company will go 6 ft under ; and left only the serious companies to provide safety services to the public.

The question is, will it happen in this BOleh Land :(

cml
14-10-2010, 02:41 PM
The problem is a lot of these bus companies are owned by the politically well connected so their god fathers will take care of them and any action taken can be selesaied. So it goes back to square on. Whether or not we have the will to really enforce all the laws that we already have.There are sufficient laws already to take care of these companies and people.

jimmyay
18-10-2010, 10:10 AM
13th victim died. Which bus company is this again?

aursong
18-10-2010, 10:21 AM
2 witnesses came out and said it may not be the bus driver fault... the accident happen maybe because the bus hit another vehicle then cut into the middle lane...

Some witnesses and bus passengers also said the bus was driving along the bus speed limit 80/90km... in the middle lane...

"Eye witnesses and survivors said the bus, which was travelling along the middle lane of the north-bound stretch had suddenly swerved to the right and that the driver had tried to apply the emergency brakes but to no avail."

Quoted from newspaper...

jimmyay
18-10-2010, 05:42 PM
The pressure should be on Bus Company to minimise the risk.