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jimmyay
08-09-2010, 08:35 AM
Higher Education Minister Datuk Seri Mohamed told The Star it was normal to see fluctuation in the rankings.

“We do not want to be obsessive about world rankings,” he said.

It is sad that UM ranking is going downwards. It is even more depressing when our Minister don't think we have a problem....still living in katak bawah tempurung mentality. double sigh

currymee
08-09-2010, 08:38 AM
Hahaha ... I rather watch Man Utd, Arsenal, Chelsea and the other 17 teams fight for the RANKING OF INTEREST to majority of Malaysians .... :rolleyes: :D :D :D

We all know that as long as the politicans are meddling and local universities are not permitted to select students and lecturers based on MERIT .... it is nowhere, just like Malaysian football team ... so why waste more precious time and breath, might as well watch some good footie ... :D

PS: I am being sarcastic ... :rolleyes:

mick123
08-09-2010, 09:21 AM
he is in a state of denial. anyway, he did say that the survey was comparing apple to orange...... :confused: :rolleyes:

Active Koala
08-09-2010, 10:30 AM
[QUOTE=currymee]
.... it is nowhere, just like Malaysian football team ... so why waste more precious [QUOTE]

ya la, looking at the situation, our national university is heading down the similar path as our national football team. sigh!

Rhiga
08-09-2010, 10:43 AM
“We do not want to be obsessive about world rankings,” he said.

It is sad that UM ranking is going downwards. It is even more depressing when our Minister don't think we have a problem....still living in katak bawah tempurung mentality. double sigh

It is even sadder that UM is the preferred choice for almost all the brilliant students who opt for local varsities (they failed to get JPA overseas scholarship due to apanama reasons).. :mad:

jimmyay
08-09-2010, 11:16 AM
today it drop out of 200....soon it is out of the 300, we will see.

akiyoshi
08-09-2010, 11:45 AM
It is sad, year after year, the ranking slides.
Where is that national pride ??
The existence of our national Unis are not
to compete in the global education industry, but for satisfying our National
objectives so our Minister is quite happy at that, and the ranking is
understandably so.

Hence, don't be too obsessed about it.

Sentinel
08-09-2010, 11:53 AM
Higher Education Minister Datuk Seri Mohamed told The Star it was normal to see fluctuation in the rankings.
Yes, of course Mr Minister, Sir, whatever you say!

Tell me then, why are those in the Top 10 then consistently stay in the Top 10? If you as a Higher Education Minister talk like a village bumpkin, how can you actually be the "developer of minds" of our youth?

What kind of mentality is this for a Minister in charge of tertiary education? Bikin malu sahja...

bslee
08-09-2010, 11:58 AM
What kind of mentality is this for a Minister in charge of tertiary education? Bikin malu sahja...

This is exactly one of those things. I reckon most will merely hear this as just as any other passing comment and not see the big picture nor any problems lurking beneath. Few have any analytical thinking.

mykern
08-09-2010, 12:05 PM
FDI drop ... so the rankings also drop la!
Those world 10 ten are well funded by large corporations and philanthropists who value education and research and developement .... kita takda cukup wang ...
Top 10 in South East Asia ... mebbe BOLEH ...
Watch and see if UM's (and others) ranking drop below 300 ....

Phap!~

Raikonen
08-09-2010, 01:19 PM
Has anyone been inside NUS in spore recently? Am very impressed with their infrastructure, facilities and lecturing staff...Professors who really knows their stuff and funnily quite a number of Chinese Malaysian teaching staff!!

gtl
08-09-2010, 04:27 PM
Has anyone been inside NUS in spore recently? Am very impressed with their infrastructure, facilities and lecturing staff...Professors who really knows their stuff and funnily quite a number of Chinese Malaysian teaching staff!!

i was there last year for an executive course, i am impressed!

you shd check out SMU too, very impressive and progressive.

SingaporeEhSai!
08-09-2010, 05:07 PM
Has anyone been inside NUS in spore recently? Am very impressed with their infrastructure, facilities and lecturing staff...Professors who really knows their stuff and funnily quite a number of Chinese Malaysian teaching staff!!

no need to go to NUS to be impressed...go to any polytechnic also can liao....better still, try one of the primary schools... :D

drtwewe
08-09-2010, 05:22 PM
most of us know the reasons why our universities drop in their ranking. Nobody in power want to do something about it.
Together we sink!

patrick
08-09-2010, 05:38 PM
Yes, of course Mr Minister, Sir, whatever you say!

Tell me then, why are those in the Top 10 then consistently stay in the Top 10? If you as a Higher Education Minister talk like a village bumpkin, how can you actually be the "developer of minds" of our youth?

What kind of mentality is this for a Minister in charge of tertiary education? Bikin malu sahja...

got malu meh? what malu? sudah biasa lah!! :rolleyes:

bslee
08-09-2010, 06:26 PM
got malu meh? what malu? sudah biasa lah!! :rolleyes:

Lets be polite, MUKA TEBAL leh? :rolleyes: THEY ALWAYS KNOW BEST!..so it seems.

Raikonen
08-09-2010, 07:06 PM
No need to be obsessed with the drop of Msian Unis...

Personally , I think local unis are all nothing but crap.

cml
09-09-2010, 01:32 PM
They are only a pale , very pale shadow of what they were maybe 25 to 30 years ago. Doctors were real doctors who were recognised through out the commonwealth. If you look at the current crop of 'graduates' coming out from our local universities you can really laugh at their quality . Damn shy la

bslee
09-09-2010, 02:31 PM
If you look at the current crop of 'graduates' coming out from our local universities you can really laugh at their quality . Damn shy la

I really think this isn't entirely true. Have met many of them (including dental faculty) there at UHKL and I think they're professional enough. Not that grim lah! At least I could be confident that medical degrees can't be bought here and with doctor quacks running around.

xaviers
09-09-2010, 02:40 PM
Minister : "The bigger the number the better it is, we are in the middle of our development plan to increase the number. We are looking to spend RM20billion to increase the number"

zinglicious
09-09-2010, 04:33 PM
I really think this isn't entirely true. Have met many of them (including dental faculty) there at UHKL and I think they're professional enough. Not that grim lah! At least I could be confident that medical degrees can't be bought here and with doctor quacks running around.
You mean you are proud to hire that kind of MACC top lawyer quacking around the bushes to represent you in legal proceedings? He is recognized as the quack quack here and quack quack there attorney in action with his qualification or is it kulitfication?

bslee
09-09-2010, 05:46 PM
You mean you are proud to hire that kind of MACC top lawyer quacking around the bushes to represent you in legal proceedings? He is recognized as the quack quack here and quack quack there attorney in action with his qualification or is it kulitfication?

Do you mean to compare an under graduate doctor (and I precisely singled out medical doctors from local U) with a lawyer (or any for that matter) who utilise or implement their skill in a very different manner.

fonzie
10-09-2010, 12:22 PM
Just digressing a bit...

Anyone realise that Harvard university has lost billions of their endowments during the recent financial meltdown in the US? They have the best business school and best brains (right?) and didn't see the storm coming? How so...?

Not only Harvard alone was hit, other notable universities on the list as well....interesting, sad but true..!

Cheers!

Mat Bruce
10-09-2010, 01:07 PM
Who is really surprised? I can even predict that it will drop some more...
This topic is as stale as old bread...and we are late by 20 years..this is a case of government policy. Who cares if English is used as the world's most scientific community? The politicans have already send their children overseas to study..they are in power and they don't even practice what they preach and we keep voting for hem hoping there will be a change of heart.
If we hit our head on a low beam, we called that an accident. If we keep hitting our head on the same beam, we call it stupidity. If we are in a dream state,it is time to wake up..
1) Can you change the situation ? -no
2) Is it under your control ? no
3) Is there something you can do about it - yes.
3a) Can you change them - no
3b) Can you change yourself - yes
You have personal choices and you have the right to vote.

Mat Bruce
10-09-2010, 01:13 PM
Higher Education Minister Datuk Seri Mohamed told The Star it was normal to see fluctuation in the rankings.

“We do not want to be obsessive about world rankings,” he said.

It is sad that UM ranking is going downwards. It is even more depressing when our Minister don't think we have a problem....still living in katak bawah tempurung mentality. double sigh

What is he talking about? Does he even know what he is talking about?
Isn't it his job to do something about it? Does he even know his responsibilities?

Mat Bruce
10-09-2010, 01:18 PM
Minister : "The bigger the number the better it is, we are in the middle of our development plan to increase the number. We are looking to spend RM20billion to increase the number"

I am rolling on the floor, you are so sarcastic!

bslee
10-09-2010, 02:16 PM
and didn't see the storm coming? How so...?


Errrr.. they didn't provide crystal balls in their syllabus. :D

zinglicious
10-09-2010, 05:41 PM
I am sure most would agree that graduates from MU yesteryear command respect not just from high rankings or ratings, also the command of language, flair, knowledge, competence and highly sought by employers.
Today, either local or foreign may think twice about whether the graduates are able to take on the task of daily responsibilities entrusted to them especially they way they project themselves in the job interview.
Just think about it - you have Higher Education Minister said " we do not wanna to be obsessed with world ranking '! Then what should he be obsessed about? Getting high with 1 Malaysia slogan by churning out rakyat with toilet paper certifications didahulukan, Pencapaian ke taraf nombor 299 diutamakan?
Yes, while there some graduates who are graduates with honors, there are also plenty churned out to be Bachelors - without suitable jobs.

bslee
10-09-2010, 06:45 PM
Errr.. perhaps its another same model Proton vs import Mitsubishi syndrome. Yang impot lebih quality dan bagus daripada local? :rolleyes: Of course it just doesn't apply about cars only.