View Full Version : Ops Kelawar & closingdown of pubs: What's your criteria, MPSJ?
16-01-2003, 01:20 PM
<font size="+1">In the name of wiping out vice activities, some pubs in Subang Jaya in USJ will be closed. Reasons: Too near to residential areas, schools and places of worship.</font>
One wonders why Country Barn (USJ11), the one that Lee Hwa Beng frequents, is spared while House of Lords (USJ9 Business Centre), which doesn't have GROs, is clamped.
Answer please... MPSJ and the 24 Councillors + 1 President?
THE MALAY MAIL
Thursday, January 16, 2003
<font size="+1">520 To Lose License</font>
Harny Abu Khair and Badrolhisham Bidin
LICENCES for about 520 entertainment outlets in Selangor have been revoked because of the abuse of privileges or failure to follow guidelines.
State Executive Councillor for Local Government, Squatters, Housing and Environment Datuk Mohd Mokhtar Ahmad Dahalan said the offences included prostitution and providing guest relations officers (GRO).
Other reasons cited were the location of the outlets near schools, homes and places of worship.
...The highest concentration of entertainment outlets was in Subang Jaya, Petaling Jaya and Ampang Jaya.
Mokhtar said all local authorities in the State are carrying out the Ops Kelawar exercise to raid entertainment outlets which employed foreigners to work as prostitutes.
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PUB owners in Subang Jaya and USJ are worried they may have to close their businesses following a directive from the Subang Jaya Municipal Council (MPSJ) to limit only 22 entertainment outlets in the municipality.
They questioned the rationale as they have been toeing the line for years and have never caused trouble.
Several of them gathered at the House of Lords Pub in USJ9 yesterday, to discuss their fate, with a lawyer.
House of Lords owner Kesava Das and the 25 pubs in USJ and Subang Jaya were free of Ecstacy and other dadah activities.
"Why then must they close us down?" he asked.
He said each outlet employed between six and 100 staff and he wondered where they could go after this.
Tristano Soliano, of Tristano's Pub in Jalan Subang 4, said when they received a letter from the council early last year, they were promised a new guideline to follow.
But the latest letter they received early this week, was a "bombshell" and wondered how they were going to survive.
"Business is just picking up, and I think most of our customers are staying in the neighbourhood, who come for drinks and nothing else," he said.
Leow Chew King, of Bricks, in Jalan SS14/1, wondered how the council could choose the 22 which included eight from USJ and Subang Jaya.
"Were they chosen at random, or is there a list of criteria to follow?" he said.
S.T. Lee, of Halo Cafe in SS15 Subang Jaya said, "We don't employ guest relations officers and we are transparent in our operation. Why disturb us?"
The group plans to submit a memorandum to Selangor Menteri Besar Datuk Seri Dr Mohd Khir Toyo tomorrow.
"We hope the State Government will reconsider the move," he said.
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Subang Jaya State Assemblyman Datuk Lee Hwa Beng said the move to control pubs was good, but closing them down was not a wise move.
“They should stop new pubs and entertainment centres but allow the existing ones to continue,” he said.
17-01-2003, 09:56 AM
INTERESTING DEVELOPMENT. For strange reasons, Country Barn (USJ11), which a source said originally not in MPSJ closure list, is now reported to have been asked to close down.
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THE STAR Metro
Friday, January 17, 2003
<font size="+1">MPSJ’s closure notice shocks pub owners</font>
By K. Anuradha
MORE than a dozen pubs and restaurants that are classified as entertainment centres, in Subang Jaya and USJ have received notice to cease operations.
Pub owners, stunned by the notice that they received earlier this week from the Subang Jaya Municipal Council, are at a loss as to what to do.
The notice, dated Dec 31, 2002, says that a new guideline has been formulated to govern all entertainment outlets in Selangor.
MPSJ perhaps is one of the first local authorities in the state to start enforcing this new rule.
“In the notice sent to us, it was explained that the number of entertainment outlets is to be reduced, and only one outlet is allowed for every 20,000 people,’’ said Tristano Soliano, whose pub Tristano’s is one of those affected.
Since the population under MPSJ jurisdiction is about 450,000, only 22 outlets are allowed to operate as per the guidelines.
Pub and restaurant operators are in a quandary since they had been ordered to close down effective immediately.
Kesavadas Pillai (Das) who runs the House of Lords pub in USJ 9, felt the notice was unfair to the operators for a host of reasons.
First, all these operators have employees as well as food and beverage suppliers to pay, and without opening shop they could hardly raise the money to pay them.
Second, the affected parties say some of them have established themselves quite long and have regulars too, in which case moving elsewhere would not be a sound proposition, investment-wise.
The Bricks Ladies Pub in SS14, for instance, has been around for over 20 years, and its owner Leow Chew King said they have had a good track record.
In a memorandum that they will hand over to the Selangor Mentri Besar soon, they said that their pubs hardly have any complaints against them, something that the police could testify to.
“We don’t have GROs here. Those who come here are usually the middle-aged men and they come after work for a drink and to chat with friends,” said Tristano.
He said as a result of these informal get-togethers, a lot of activities had been organised to benefit the community and the underprivileged.
“We are just picking up on business after the 1997 slump, now this happens,” said Das, who suggested that the local authority should have really surveyed the nightspots closely before deciding to close them down.
Most of the affected owners, said they had each invested between RM200,000 and RM400,000 in this business and to be asked to cease operations would really hurt them badly.
Hedley Westerhout of Country Barn, was another operator affected, and he failed to see why. “We are just another neighbourhood pub trying to make a living, we did not do anything wrong,” he said.
Musician Aziz Dahalan of Factor 7 band said this ruling would eventually affect musicians too. It means there will be far fewer places for the musicians to perform.
“Already, there are very few outlets for us to perform in, and we have to compete with foreign bands as well. Now this. I believe this ruling will make it even more difficult for local musicians to survive.”
His manager Adrian Doshi said more music students would graduate this year and eventually they would have nowhere to go since there would be a limited number of places where they could perform.
Subang Jaya assemblyman Datuk Lee Hwa Beng, when contacted, said he too felt the ruling was a little harsh on existing pub and restaurant operators.
He said he would appeal to the state government soon, as the livelihood of the operators would be badly affected.
“I understand the state government’s policy is to reduce such entertainment outlets, but these are legitimate businesses that have been around some years,’’ he said.
He felt that the existing ones should be allowed to continue, while the local authorities should stop all new applications.
CAUTION: You have to know for sure whether - this time - Lee Hwa Beng is wearing his hat as the Subang Jaya ADUN or an MPSJ Councillor. Can he plead his ignorance of the MPSJ rule when he is still effectively an MPSJ councillor?
17-01-2003, 11:24 AM
aiyah......somone ass kena exposed already. So gotta go for damage control tactic........
17-01-2003, 12:36 PM
watch this space ... we had 24hr eateries under fire, "entertainment outlets" r on the way out. won't b long b4 there's too many coffee shops and restaurants around. writing's already on the wall - the latter are bearers of evil (ads). fellas in the biz, sorry, but i'd suggest that u start saving for the day when the rain won't stop, and start learning another trade. prompto.:( :mad:
17-01-2003, 02:27 PM
maybe i should start invest in a proton arena and fill up the back with cans of beer.
a mobile pub comes with loud speakers with the latest hit songs
17-01-2003, 02:46 PM
I am trying to organise a pub-hopping around USJ-Subang Jaya tonight, just to:
( 1 ) SEE which are the special 22 outlets that have been allowed to survive, and why;
( 2 ) SEE which are the outlets that have been asked to close down and have really closed down;
( 3 ) ASK the pub owners why they are asked to close down - GRO's? Ecstacy? Unpaid MPSJ coompounds?
I can't imagine why House of Lords and Tristano's (USJ9 Business Centre) are classified as "entertainment outlet" when they don't have bandstand or even karaoke. They do have pool table. But which pub is a pub without pools and darts?
And people who patronise pubs are not all young. Yuppies go to Starbucks nowadays, the punkish will go club-hopping (that's where Ecstacy flows). Pubs are boring normally. But they are now made the first to go... not vice dens ;(
You know, House of Lords serves set lunch at RM9.90 with a soup, fish-and-chips and coffee. Mana mau cari?
We plan to start our rounds after 8.30pm. Anyone interested please call me at 012-2956356.
If you have lawyer friends, drag them along. All pubs serve juices.
17-01-2003, 04:54 PM
Most of the vice activities concentrated at karoake and disco. Where got people "feng tau" at a pub (with kenny rogers' song ???). Have you seen one ?
Most pubs do not have GRO but waitresses. And I know one in USJ where the waitress also acted as GRO but only chit chatting with the patrons and no hanky panky going on.
Before they (MPSJ) try to clean up the mess (GROs, Prostitutions, Estacy and etc....), I think they should clean up the mess in their own house first. Most of the establishments that condone the vice activities got informer or proctection within the council. so the root of the problem lies in their own backyard !
18-01-2003, 10:08 AM
THE MALAY MAIL
Saturday, January 18, 2003
<font size="+2">'Come see for yourself' invite to MB, Mokhtar</font>
By Badrolhisham Bidin
FOURTEEN pubs and cafe owners in Subang Jaya and USJ, Selangor, have extended an invitation to both Selangor Menteri Besar Datuk Seri Dr Mohd Khir Toyo and State Exco member Datuk Mohd Mokhtar Dahalan to their premises.
The two VIPs can walk in anytime and see for themselves how the outlets are being operated, the group said after handing over a memorandum to Mohd Khir's personal assistant Hasna Abu Hassan.
"We want to show them we are more of a family-oriented business. No hanky-panky, no prostitutes or drugs as claimed by Datuk Mokhtar," said Kesava Das who represented the group.
Das, who runs House of Lords pub in USJ9, said they became the butt of jokes among regular customers who jokingly asked for GROs (guest relations officers).
"We have been doing business for years and it will be difficult for us to change in a short time," he said.
"The Menteri Besar should come and see for himself. Sometimes birthday parties are held at our places."
They were among 520 pubs and cafes in Selangor whose licenses were not allowed to be renewed.
Mokhtar was reported to have said that most of them were involved in prostitution and providing GRO services.
Das also said each outlet had spent up to RM500,000 and revoking the licence is not a fair move.
"We have never been caught by police or the Subang Jaya Municipal Council for any offence. They can verify this with the authorities," he said.
Tristano Soliano, who runs Pub and Bistro Tristano's, also in USJ9, said the DAP has approached the group to offer their assistance.
"But we had to reject the offer as we do not want the issue to be turned into something political," said Soliano.
"But reconsider the move, Menteri Besar. Our future lies in your hands."
DAP national publicity bureau assistant secretary John Chung deemed the move ill-devised and unreasonable.
18-01-2003, 04:23 PM
CASSA Chief Dato' Dr. Jacob George was on the Subang Jaya circuit last night interacting & monitoring this issue after been invited by several pub owners and concerned citizens after this unreasonable and unpleasant act.
There are reports and allegations too that a certain official refused to shake the hands of the owners and concerned group at a meeting saying - "your hands are dirty and I do not know what you have touched"!
Since when does shaking once hand cause one to be defiled?
Certain quarters seem to have a wrong version of "holiness!"
A "Holiness" that is not affected by them indulging in "RASUAH!"
Now back to CASSA - I am sure there will be adequate data been collected and this will certainly embarrass certain quarters if they insist on seeing this ridiculous action through ....but please look out for a just and fair "outburst" from our Dr.JG soon on this issue and the way certain agencies are handling it.
Puan R. Shukor
20-01-2003, 01:54 PM
THE MALAY MAIL
Monday, January 20, 2003
Action Against Entertainment Outlets:
<font size="+1">Reconsider action, says Karyawan</font>
KARYAWAN, the Malaysian Artistes' Association, has called on the Selangor Government to reconsider their on-going action against pubs and clubs which hire mainly local acts.
The association fear that 15 of their members performing solo or in groups in such entertainment outlets would be affected by the current crackdown, and more if the action widens.
"There seems to be a "conspiracy" to destroy the local music industry and the careers of all musically-talented people," Karyawan spokesman Freddie Fernandez told The Malay Mail.
"The music album market has all but been killed by piracy. The hotels are dominated by Filipinos armed with work permits provided by an ever willing Ministry of Culture. The concert market has been destroyed by the high entertainment tax.
"The only place of refuge left for local entertainers seemed to be the little pubs and clubs which hire mainly local acts. But that too is now under attack, the latest development being the move by the Selangor Government to close down 520 pubs and clubs in Selangor.
"Not only are the owners of the pubs affected but also the hundreds of entertainers who make a living by performing at these outlets. Many of our members are affected and will be out of work as a result of this move.
"We fear that about 15 Karyawan members performing solo or in groups would be affected by the crackdown, more if the action widens. And each pub or club could have staffing ranging from 10 people to over two dozen.
"We hope the Selangor Government will reconsider this harsh action and be more selective in ordering clubs and pubs to wind up. Most of the clubs at which our members perform are clean and well run, free of drugs and GROs. They should be exempt from this kind of action," he said.
"If social ills are the cause, then this is certainly not the way to deal with it. Drug enforcement activities should be stepped up and awareness campaigns carried out on a regular basis to alert kids to the dangers involved. Closing down clubs is just going to drive the problem deeper and enforcement will become even more difficult.
<FONT SIZE="+1">"It is very easy for Datuk Mokhtar Dahlan to ask those affected to find other jobs. I wonder how he would feel if someone told him the same thing."</FONT> Mokhtar is the Selangor executive councillor in charge of local government.
Fernandez also lamented the lack of anti-drug campaigns in the local media and offered the services of Karyawan's members to help in the campaign.
"Eariler, we got artistes involved in an anti-piracy campaign. We could use artistes in anti-drug campaigns too as they have a great influence over the young people in this country," he said.
20-01-2003, 02:03 PM
THE MALAY MAIL
Monday, January 20, 2003
Action Against Entertainment Outlets:
<font size="+1">Mixed reaction from public</font>
THERE was mixed reaction from thepublic concerning the Selangor Government's action againsts entertainment outlets inthe State, some 520 of which mayhave to close shop.
Some felt there was a lot of confusion and urged the State Government to be more transparent before coming out with such a policy.
While some applauded the action and felt it would minimise social ills, they also wanted the authorities to get tough on enforcement as well.
Since last month, action against such entertainment outlets in Selangor were being carried out by the police under an operation called Ops Kelawar, with the aid of the local authorities.
Apparently, the authorities feel that many of such entertainment outlets are a front for prostitution, drugs, gambling and other vices.
<img src="http://www.usj.com.my/eSpeak/getdata.php3?table=eSpeak&id=35" align="left">USJ Subang Jaya e-community president Jeff Ooi wanted the authorities to be more transparent on its policy towards entertainment outlets.
"There appears to be no clear guideline on the matter," said Ooi, who also questioned why licences for established pubs like House of Lord and Tristano, both in USJ, were not renewed.
"These particular outlets are not pubs with cubicles. They are neighbourhood pubs which don't even have karaoke nor GROs (guest relation officers). On what basis did the authorities decide to deny them licences?"
Due to the crackdown, Ooi said he and colleagues went ‘pub-hopping' last Saturday in USJ to have a first-hand look at the situation.
"We visited some so-called entertainment outlets denied licences although some has never been compounded before, and also outlets which are allowed to go on with their business," he said.
"Everything seemed to be above board at those outlets. We still don't understand the rationale of the State's action.
"We commend the authorities for cracking down on prostitution and other vices, but the latest policy to drastically cut down on entertainment outlets is not the best solution to the problem."
Consumers Association of Subang and Shah Alam, <img src="http://www.usj.com.my/LifeStyle/getdata.php3?table=LifeStyle&id=423" align="left">Selangor (CASSA) president Jacob George said many people are confused with the authorities' latest policy on such entertainment outlets.
"We support the State's action against businesses linked with prostitution, drugs and gambling. We do not condone unhealthy and illegal activities that destroy families," he said.
"However, in the interest of fair play and justice, proper procedures and investigation must be done first by an independent panel to identify business outlets that are linked with unhealthy activities that threaten society before action is taken.
"Business oulets not linked to unhealthy activities should be allowed to operate. However, the manner in which the notices are given leaves much to be desired and smacks of selective prosecution." Jacob said the public needs to know on what basis the policy was made.
"The policy is unfair, especially to non-Muslims. The Government must go to the ground to explain this," he said.
To get more feedback on the matter, he said, Cassa would be organising a public forum next week.
"We will inform the public on the date and venue through leaflets," said Jacob.
A parent, M. Ghazali of Puchong is glad the State Government is getting tough on such unhealthy activities.
"It is good. These places cause a lot of social problems and it is time for the Government to address the situation," said Ghazali.
"There is no need to have so many entertainment outlets at any one place. Such outlets should be restricted to commercial areas.
"However, cutting down on entertainment outlets is not the only way to curb social ills." Another parent, S. Ramasamy said the authorities must be tough on enforcement.
"It is good that the authorities are minimising the number of such outlets, but it is not enough without regular enforcement," he said.
20-01-2003, 06:38 PM
b4 they deprive genuine bread winners of their next meal could toyo and co pls take a first hand look at the night scene (or more accurately, "nite sin") of streets and back lanes in many a housing estate. they are littered with lost souls, even in the wee hours of morn, hanging around with nothing positive or constructive to do, having the least idea that a new day behests... they litter the place, scribble graffiti, stone street lamps, disable telecommunication equipment, etc. they give other the jitters and send the chills down one's spine. once upon a time there was a term widely discussed, i.e. lepak. where is that word today? u can't solve one very serious problem - that of getting the youths of today who have no values in life to see new light - and u want to act against legitimate biz. i guess his religion scorns drinking but has no mention of lepak so the latter is ok. if anybody feels sensitive about the last comment, sorry, but if somebody intentionally steps on your toes for irrational reasons and refuses to disembark, u'r gonna yell all the obscenities u know till he get his off u. its fair play.
What in Pete's name is happening to Selangor? I thought we were a modern state with mature and forward thinking people. Looks like I'm wrong - our state is being run by people who want us to remain backward, submissive and without rational thinking.
Fistly it was the 24 hour open issue, then the beer advertisement thing and now the closure of entertainment outlets. What's next? Before anything is implemented, studies and opinions must be considered first. And most importantly transparency, transparency, transparency. Do these people know nothing, are they stupid or what?
I used to be proud to say that I am born and bred in Selangor. But now, with the state being run by idiots who do what they feel without consideration ..... I am no longer proud.
22-01-2003, 11:45 AM
You forgot to mention condom as well. How can you forget such an important thing? Pleave leave home without it . That is my advice. Or else your wife will round up other people's wives and sent a petition to Khir Toyo and our friend will wear his underwear on the outside again and champion this cause - "Operasi check condom in unfaithful husbands"
22-01-2003, 12:16 PM
At this rate, I reckon pretty soon even meeting up at your neighbourhood mamak stall for you TT fix will also be a no no. Who knows, when some all knowing someone decides that this practice also leads to "social ills".
Sigh ...... sorry guys looks like all future TT sessions would have to be reconsidered !
22-01-2003, 03:34 PM
<font size="+1">Hold your breath!
The pub-hopping exercise we did in the last few nights bear fruits.
We should give time to Ahmad Fuad Ismail and let MPSJ tell us which are the six pubs allowed to survive. And the criteria used in deciding who should close shop.
Your jaws will drop!</font>
24-01-2003, 07:22 AM
Jumaat, 24 Januari 2003
BISIK-BISIK -- AWANG SULUNG
Awang sudah muak membaca tentang pusat hiburan haram berleluasa di Selangor. Semua orang tahu. Pihak berkuasa pun tahu dan mengulang-ulanginya.
Tapi apa yang dibuat?
Terbaru, kita dimaklumkan oleh polis Selangor semalam bahawa hanya 30 peratus sahaja pusat hiburan di Selangor beroperasi secara sah. Ertinya, 70 peratus lagi beroperasi secara haram, termasuk menawarkan kegiatan maksiat.
Polis meminta pula orang politik atau NGO berhenti mempersalahkan polis, sebab pihak polis sentiasa menjalankan operasi terhadap premis berkenaan.
Awang sedar tindakan yang polis ambil. Pun begitu, kita tidak dapat menahan orang ramai daripada bertanya, kenapa kegiatan haram itu masih berleluasa jika pihak polis sendiri sudah mengenal pasti 226 premis tanpa lesen. Apa yang sukar sangat hendak menghapuskan mereka?
Pihak Majlis Tempatan turut sama bertanggungjawab. Penguatkuasaan terletak di tangan mereka.
Sebenarnya, semua ini dapat diselesaikan dengan mudah jika terdapat kesungguhan - hentikan bekalan air dan elektrik!
Kenapa ini tidak dibuat?
-- Awang - Sekadar bertanya
24-01-2003, 11:20 AM
It merely boils down to the state govt leadership wanting to be seen to be more halal than the opposition...since action does speak louder than words, closing haram joints can be the most visible and most appealing for a certain segment of the voting popluation...
(Haram here is interpreted as having a drink with more than 1% alcohol content. Never mind the other haram issues...thats another topic.)
we r being 'encourage' to evolve into frogs living under the coconut shells...
24-01-2003, 04:12 PM
THE STAR Metro
Friday, January 24, 2003
<font size="+1">State's decision on pubs too harsh</font>
I agree with Datuk Lee Hwa Beng that it is too harsh to terminate the licence of 15 pubs classified as entertainment outlets in Subang Jaya and USJ, especially when they have been operating within the law for umpteen years.
I also agree that the Selangor Government should freeze only new applications for entertainment outlet licence.
It is grossly unfair to pub owners to be ordered to close down despite having abided by the regulations all this time.
Closing down these pubs and entertainment outlets in townships like Subang Jaya and USJ is not a good idea in view of the present sluggish economy.
If the state government proceeds to implement the law regardless of appeals, there will be a glut of shops to let in the township and unemployment besides other direct and indirect losses.
This is not what shopowners would expect to happen to a model township like Subang Jaya.
As it is now, there are too many empty shops and unoccupied residential houses here.
Certainly, Subang Jaya residents don't want the township to turn into a ghost town.
By the way, what is so wrong about having a neighbourhood pub as long as there is no hanky panky?
It is a convenient place for residents to unwind and still be close to home. And there will not be any drink-driving because some of these pubs are within walking distance.
The bottom line is that the Selangor Government should review its decision on the licensed pub owners in Subang Jaya and USJ and allow them to continue with their businesses, in view of their good track record till date.
28-01-2003, 09:33 AM
NEW STRAITS TIMES
Tuesday, January 28, 2003
<font size="+2">Pub operators' plea for help</font>
I AM appealing to any authority than can help me and my fellow pub operators who risk losing our livelihood due to the directive issued by the MPSJ/Selangor Government instructing us to cease operations with immediate effect.
Mine is a 20-year-old neighbourhood pub with regular mature patrons (no youngsters) who come for a drink twice of thrice a week with no GROs to serve them.
There are many pubs with foreign GROs and yet they are operating.
LEOW CHEW KING
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