opportunist postings split from other threads

[ksj_cool]

Hannah has messed up the issue of private security implementation in Subang Jaya..that may be one of the reason, the councillors have to go!

many have complained but no action was taken by the councillors and the Adun!

[SonOfSoil]

Hannah has messed up the issue of private security implementation in Subang Jaya..that may be one of the reason, the councillors have to go!

many have complained but no action was taken by the councillors and the Adun!

And as always, we get opportunists like this turning the issue towards the ADUN and g&g?! Are u so shallow that u need to politicize everything? We scream at politicians doing this, but it looks like certain usj.com.my forumers are better at it. The oxymoronic thing is that your grouse is "private" security implementation and you somehow think ADUN, a public rep is responsible. Private, public??!!

[Shaneburger]

Hannah has messed up the issue of private security implementation in Subang Jaya..that may be one of the reason, the councillors have to go!

many have complained but no action was taken by the councillors and the Adun!

pray tell ksj cool, how has our Adun messed up? and how is this related to the councillors?

[Sentinel]

Hannah has messed up the issue of private security implementation in Subang Jaya..that may be one of the reason, the councillors have to go!

many have complained but no action was taken by the councillors and the Adun!
Since when is an ADUN responsible for making arrangements for private security for residents?

She is an elected representative of the whole of SJ and I don't see why she should care for private security? She might be a liaison with the cops for public security but private security? Nah, you shouldn't blame her, its not her tanggungjawab.

[jan tomaswaki]

Hannah has messed up the issue of private security implementation in Subang Jaya..that may be one of the reason, the councillors have to go!
many have complained but no action was taken by the councillors and the Adun!
I sokong U ! Recently the MPSJ presiden say that 99% of all GnG are illegal,and not doing anything on it. :mad:

[ksj_cool]

For those of you who have blasted me...thank you, you are probably from that from that group of people who are have been setting up private security on public access roads, that's why it is so hurting...

Nobody asked her to set up security for anybody but when there are issues related to G&G they should be there to reolve them.. thats what I was saying..

Soon Theresa, would be history, in comes next councillor ...the issues are still pending...

When the state rep & councillor are from Pakatan and being the people advising the MPSJ on G&G projects why shd'nt they be held responsible?

[Sentinel]

For those of you who have blasted me...thank you, you are probably from that from that group of people who are have been setting up private security on public access roads, that's why it is so hurting... I might still own a house in USJ4 but I don't remember feeling good or bad about G&G, its the majority of the residents' wish to go G&G or not. Not one individual trying to impose his personal wish on others.

I don't even stay in USJ anymore. So, please don't go shooting your mouth accusing people without any basis...

[tupai]

ksjcool ~
I am in SS17 and we do not have an gng.

I do not support gng for the simple fact that the job falls upon the PDRM.
The pdrm shortcomings aside. ~ Go pest/bug/scold/remind/beg our mr Potato mp for not harping on and demanding public security at the Parliament level! This is mr potato's job!

The residents know jolly well that GnG is technically illegal in the eyes of the law (and until such law is changed, it remains illegal to block/fence up public road) and wanting a Councillor or JKP Leader or an ADUN(?) to 'legalise' it, is making 2 wrongs! It smacks of sheer selfish hypocrisy & stupidity lah.

Are we so used to willingly and openly commit an infringement, an illegal act and then get the 'leaders/authorities' to tutup 1mata? We praise,espouse the goodness of the laws of other developed countries and we still want this 'crooked ways' for our future gen?

Are we to condone 2 sets of laws? 1 for the big&rich and 1 for the small & meek? Try building a rear extension without permit and see? Or u wanna know For instance: The ss16gallery? it correctly and properly submitted 1 master plan for construction..2(?)yrs later quietly modified the whole structure, lowered the ceilings, built an extra mezzanine shopping floor illegally, :eek: then it* lobbied to have the state government overruled the local authorities' refusal for CF? U wanna this kinda thingy? To continue breaking the law, to tutup 1mata....Then we are truly damned!

Change, my friend starts from a baby step, from an individual. :cool:

Thank God its 220pm...only 3more hr to Happy hours! :D

Yang Bo-Chup by d minit latotupai :rolleyes:

p/s * Betcha apamana Loaf is better tasting for the oafs... :D

[jan tomaswaki]

I might still own a house in USJ4 but I don't remember feeling good or bad about G&G, its the majority of the residents' wish to go G&G or not. Not one individual trying to impose his personal wish on others.
I don't even stay in USJ anymore. So, please don't go shooting your mouth accusing people without any basis...

GnG problem is these so call illegal committee use high hand tactics to collect funds e.g giving stickers "non member" to those who don't pay.Sorry to say they haven't encounter Mr Me :eek:

[SCCheah]

Hannah has messed up the issue of private security implementation in Subang Jaya..that may be one of the reason, the councillors have to go!

many have complained but no action was taken by the councillors and the Adun!


About 14 residents of USJ 2 met ADUN Hannah Yeoh on June 25, 2010 at about 6.30pm. They roped me in to attend this meeting as they know I am against the illegal fencing up of USJ.

During the hour-long meeting, we informed Hannah of our concerns. I also handed her and Rajiv a copy each of my points against FnG.

Some of us gave her a piece of our mind. She explained that she is not behind the FnG as rumoured.

While most of us will agree that she is a hard working ADUN, I feel many people think that the issue has been messed up by our ADUNS and the councillors.

Hence, I agree with you ksj-cool.

[SonOfSoil]

About 14 residents of USJ 2 met ADUN Hannah Yeoh on June 25, 2010 at about 6.30pm. They roped me in to attend this meeting as they know I am against the illegal fencing up of USJ.

During the hour-long meeting, we informed Hannah of our concerns. I also handed her and Rajiv a copy each of my points against FnG.

Some of us gave her a piece of our mind. She explained that she is not behind the FnG as rumoured.

While most of us will agree that she is a hard working ADUN, I feel many people think that the issue has been messed up by our ADUNS and the councillors.

Hence, I agree with you ksj-cool.


This thread's title is living up to its name. Yet another opportunistic posting. Allow me to explain why I say so. Being opportunistic is when one grabs a chance or situation to further one's own cause, interest or even disinterest. And in this case, ksj_cool and sccheah are both being blatantly opportunistic by using their personal objections against the GnG schemes to blame the ADUN and the councillors, and in so doing, hope to exert pressure on the ADUN and councillors into fulfilling their personal demands.

If you are not opportunistic, then why no finger pointed against the rightful parties, i.e the police!!! When did our ADUN and councillors made responsible for security & crime? If you're going to blame, at least blame the right people. If police is up to mark, there wouldn't be a need for GnG in the first place! If you're really concerned with improving security but don't want to do anything about it, then go and blame police, Home Ministry and Federal govt who are the rightful parties responsible for this mess, not just in Subang Jaya but in every urban centre in this country.

[jan tomaswaki]

If you are not opportunistic, then why no finger pointed against the rightful parties, i.e the police!!! When did our ADUN and councillors made responsible for security & crime? If you're going to blame, at least blame the right people. If police is up to mark, there wouldn't be a need for GnG in the first place! If you're really concerned with improving security but don't want to do anything about it, then go and blame police, Home Ministry and Federal govt who are the rightful parties responsible for this mess, not just in Subang Jaya but in every urban centre in this country.
Correction ! correction! if the ADUN do not assist in the complain who else? Everybody says it lies on the polis but when they ask you all to form RT,then you all say " have to cari makan",boss don't give leave,not fair .....and all donkey reasons.KWChang did his RT but ppl rather not cooperate,they rather pay money to do things for them.

[SonOfSoil]

Correction ! correction! if the ADUN do not assist in the complain who else? Everybody says it lies on the polis but when they ask you all to form RT,then you all say " have to cari makan",boss don't give leave,not fair .....and all donkey reasons.KWChang did his RT but ppl rather not cooperate,they rather pay money to do things for them.

That's precisely my point. The ADUN is indeed assisting in doing something, and not in doing nothing. Many opposing cos they don't want to do anything, just blame anyone who tries to do something. Some places got active RT, others employ guards, now USJ got VPU. I'm saying, pick one which works for u, don't just complain about GnG.

[jan tomaswaki]

That's precisely my point. The ADUN is indeed assisting in doing something, and not in doing nothing. Many opposing cos they don't want to do anything, just blame anyone who tries to do something. Some places got active RT, others employ guards, now USJ got VPU. I'm saying, pick one which works for u, don't just complain about GnG.
Ppl who complain GnG becoz of 3 things.:
1- they do not want to pay :mad:
2- they do not want others to control them :mad:
3- It is illegal as certified by MPSJ but do nothing about it :mad:

[SCCheah]

This thread's title is living up to its name. Yet another opportunistic posting. Allow me to explain why I say so. Being opportunistic is when one grabs a chance or situation to further one's own cause, interest or even disinterest. And in this case, ksj_cool and sccheah are both being blatantly opportunistic by using their personal objections against the GnG schemes to blame the ADUN and the councillors, and in so doing, hope to exert pressure on the ADUN and councillors into fulfilling their personal demands.

If you are not opportunistic, then why no finger pointed against the rightful parties, i.e the police!!! When did our ADUN and councillors made responsible for security & crime? If you're going to blame, at least blame the right people. If police is up to mark, there wouldn't be a need for GnG in the first place! If you're really concerned with improving security but don't want to do anything about it, then go and blame police, Home Ministry and Federal govt who are the rightful parties responsible for this mess, not just in Subang Jaya but in every urban centre in this country.


Ahem, is this name calling? Why no banana for you? Maybe another banana for me again? Anyway, during that meeting, the USJ2 delegation informed Hannah that 430 residents have petitioned against having FnG in USJ2 and if I heard correctly Hannah may call a press conference to announce no FnG for USJ2. In fact, the number of those against FnG in USJ 2 is rising.

Well, God or Heaven will know the truth whether there are invisible hands in messing things up.

I hope SonofSoil will spend some time reading some of the past comments about this issue.

[SonOfSoil]

Ahem, is this name calling? Why no banana for you? Maybe another banana for me again? Anyway, during that meeting, the USJ2 delegation informed Hannah that 430 residents have petitioned against having FnG in USJ2 and if I heard correctly Hannah may call a press conference to announce no FnG for USJ2. In fact, the number of those against FnG in USJ 2 is rising.

Well, God or Heaven will know the truth whether there are invisible hands in messing things up.

I hope SonofSoil will spend some time reading some of the past comments about this issue.

I don't intend to get into a personal argument here, but please do us all a favor and point me to this name-calling which u alleged to have occurred? Maybe that's precisely why u attract bananas.

You are obviously not serious on discussing the issue at hand as you're choosing to further indulge in conspiracy theories by referring to some invisible hands. Come on, if you want to go that way, we all can devise 100s of conspiracies as to why some residents like yourself are so dead-set against GnG. And let me tell you, I have heard a few!

As I've stated earlier, I don't have a problem if you or anyone else don't like GnG or FnG as u call it. I live in a neighborhood without GnG/FnG. I just detest your finger-pointing attitude of blaming the ADUN and councillors for you not wanting GnG. From all your complaining, you still went to see the ADUN to resolve your problem. That's too much hypocrisy for me to handle. Thank you very much.

[SCCheah]

I don't intend to get into a personal argument here, but please do us all a favor and point me to this name-calling which u alleged to have occurred? Maybe that's precisely why u attract bananas.

You are obviously not serious on discussing the issue at hand as you're choosing to further indulge in conspiracy theories by referring to some invisible hands. Come on, if you want to go that way, we all can devise 100s of conspiracies as to why some residents like yourself are so dead-set against GnG. And let me tell you, I have heard a few!

As I've stated earlier, I don't have a problem if you or anyone else don't like GnG or FnG as u call it. I live in a neighborhood without GnG/FnG. I just detest your finger-pointing attitude of blaming the ADUN and councillors for you not wanting GnG. From all your complaining, you still went to see the ADUN to resolve your problem. That's too much hypocrisy for me to handle. Thank you very much.


You just called me "opportunistic"...is this not name calling? I've got all kinds of bananas -as for the quality of bananas dished out by kwchang, ha! ha!

Me not serious about FnG issue? Why shouldn't I blame the ADUNs and councillors? The MPSJ seems to turn a blind eye on the whole matter. Yes, indeed I have blamed the police in my past comments. In fact it took them weeks after my police report before they removed the silly oil drums at USJ2.

Of course we went to see Hannah to voice our concerns, get some feedback and clarifications. What hypocrisy are you talking about?

[SCCheah]

"Hypocrisy, opportunistic, detest..." wah, you like to use strong words and yet in the same breath you claim you do not want to argue. And, should I use the same words as you, I again kena bananas. And when I respond,I again kena bananas. My stomach is so full of bananas already.

Fair or not?

Anyway, you don't seem to know the law at all and no wonder many people like you merely think of their safety and barricade here and there.

Do visit usj11 (as an example) - every road has a gantry and some oil drums. So if you are staying there you have to make a big turn every time you go out. The argument is: it is for the good of everyone and everyone should co-operate.

Why everyone? How can one assume that everyone want this form of arrangement? I don't have any ulterior motive as you try to insinuate.I just do not want to see an open concept township that I have been living for the past 20 years turned into a 'prison'. What's worse, it's not even a deterrent but actually attracting even more crimes - like challenging the hard core criminals to come in.

Yesterday I drove to usj 11/3 and us 11/4.

I spotted the twisted wreck of a gantry there. Wonder what happened. Maybe someone living there can tell me.

Anyway, to educate you, all the barricading is unlawful. The MPSJ or for that matter any municipal council must remove them - they cannot sit still. In fact, in the case of usj 2, a group had gone to see the mpsj officials and TV had carried the news and shown the group on TV.

How would you like people putting oil drums right in front of your house? So how can people say that the local council/police etc cannot deal with private security matters when the law is broken.

When one makes an illegal extension to a house, what happens? It can be demolished isn't it? By who? The municipal council? Right?

So why are people blaming our ADUN? She claimed that she merely gives some support to the RAs like helping them to set up and giving some small items. But like it or not, the fact that many of their politically appointed councillors like Rajiv sits on the decision making mpsj committee (correct me if I am wrong), the perceived notion is there.

Using your own words: I absolutely DETEST your use of strong words.

[SonOfSoil]

"Hypocrisy, opportunistic, detest..." wah, you like to use strong words and yet in the same breath you claim you do not want to argue. And, should I use the same words as you, I again kena bananas. And when I respond,I again kena bananas. My stomach is so full of bananas already.

Fair or not?

Anyway, you don't seem to know the law at all and no wonder many people like you merely think of their safety and barricade here and there.

Do visit usj11 (as an example) - every road has a gantry and some oil drums. So if you are staying there you have to make a big turn every time you go out. The argument is: it is for the good of everyone and everyone should co-operate.

Why everyone? How can one assume that everyone want this form of arrangement? I don't have any ulterior motive as you try to insinuate.I just do not want to see an open concept township that I have been living for the past 20 years turned into a 'prison'. What's worse, it's not even a deterrent but actually attracting even more crimes - like challenging the hard core criminals to come in.

Yesterday I drove to usj 11/3 and us 11/4.

I spotted the twisted wreck of a gantry there. Wonder what happened. Maybe someone living there can tell me.

Anyway, to educate you, all the barricading is unlawful. The MPSJ or for that matter any municipal council must remove them - they cannot sit still. In fact, in the case of usj 2, a group had gone to see the mpsj officials and TV had carried the news and shown the group on TV.

How would you like people putting oil drums right in front of your house? So how can people say that the local council/police etc cannot deal with private security matters when the law is broken.

When one makes an illegal extension to a house, what happens? It can be demolished isn't it? By who? The municipal council? Right?

So why are people blaming our ADUN? She claimed that she merely gives some support to the RAs like helping them to set up and giving some small items. But like it or not, the fact that many of their politically appointed councillors like Rajiv sits on the decision making mpsj committee (correct me if I am wrong), the perceived notion is there.

Using your own words: I absolutely DETEST your use of strong words.

After all the bananas that you've received, I would think that you would have learned what not to do and what is permissible. Using strong words as you have put it, will not attract bananas. Name-calling would. And me referring to certain posts as opportunistic does not amount to name-calling. Kindly look up definition of name-calling. If I've seen it correctly, you are the most banana-ed forumer this year. Wonder why?

I am not debating the law here. Nor have I said that GnG is lawful. The issue that I have is with the finger-pointing. And the incessant complaining without offering any solution. And you're doing both. I know for a fact that the police are supporting the GnG initiatives as whether you like it or not, it does help in controlling crime for the area which it covers. If you strongly feel that GnG is such an illegal activity, why don't you lodge a report with the police who has the rightful authority to dismantle it? But no, it's easier for you to blame somebody for it.

I rest my case. I wouldn't want to see you getting more bananas.

[SCCheah]

Looks like you talk only and don't bother to read.

Wah, so kind of you lecturing me. Frankly despite me being civil, it is forumers like you that starts calling people names and using strong words. What hypocrisy! Yeah, I also wonder why I get bananas - lucky thing the moderators are not judges in High Courts.

I have already lodged a police report about those barricades.

Offering solutions? Again, you must be a newcomer. There have been months of debates - at one stage the pro-FnG folks came at me - but vanished after more pro-FnG forummers found their voice and speak up. I do not wish to repeat what I have said because I have been called an old record player.

Well, the way bananas were dished out in the past on me was very lop-sided in many ways. So no need to pretend or using your own words again "hypocrisy".

There are always attempts in certain blogs to cow people. But truth will prevail and the brave are not afraid of people who literally yell down on you.

Kindly tell your friends that barricading is and will not be the solution in an open concept township. As for the ready-made gated and guarded communities (eg high-end homes), I am not against it for the simple reason purchasers know from Day 1 what they are getting. It was their choice from Day 1.

However, these residents have to pay a high price for the monthly maintenance charges. Have you not read about the upmarket GnG enclave in Sri Hartamas was broken in- an entire family was gagged and robbed despite having a dozen guards?!

[SCCheah]

Correction to last posting.

...after more anti-FnG (and not pro-FnG) forumers.

[kwchang]

Both SonOfSoil and SCCheah get the bananas for violating the Rules -

2. Be Civil

a. No attacks, threats, insults, name-calling or inflamed speech for the sake of argument.
b. Personal arguments must be carried out away from the public discussion forum and dealt with in private. Please use the Private Messaging (PM) and email systems instead. please see the highlighted text above

[SonOfSoil]

Both SonOfSoil and SCCheah get the bananas for violating the Rules -
please see the highlighted text above

See, this is what one gets for engaging a banana-prone forumer. Sama-sama kena!

[SCCheah]

Immune already. ha! ha!

:)

[jan tomaswaki]

Immune already. ha! ha!

:)
clap :D clap :D congratulation to both of you :p :p :p

[SCCheah]

Ha! Ha! Thanks Jan. Clap,clap to you.

Expected lah. The style is always the same: I make a comment, someone uses harsh words and you all know me- I won't sit down and get whack. Read the last few postings and you know what I mean.

When others can use instigating words, no bananas, then when I "argue" kena again. Okay Man! Throw your lorry-loads of bananas at me. The notoriety of usj.com is known far and wide.

:D :D

[ksj_cool]

Wow, there has been so much of discussion which I just caught up on. Son of Soil says that the ADUN is not responsible to resolve the issue. When there is crisis between the pro_F&G and non_pro_Fng whos shd mediate? This is happening in her area with her blessing, surely she must be responsible for it!


I called on my councillor to arrange a meeting of all residents , but she passed the buck to the the person who did the setting up F&G in my area. I asked for a meeting but said no way! He said he is not the head of the RA but merely part of a team who is organising security. This guy just secures the lane in front of his (end to end) and cares a damn for the rest!

This is why I posted in the earlier topic, my posting was related to my councilor and I think it shd not be regarded as 'opportunistic'!

My councillor said she would talk to them but now she has retired.

Hannah says she gave support which means she is for it, so when there is a problem, should'nt she intervene?

[SCCheah]

Hey bradder (must also use the youngster's style of talking),

Better not talk too much otherwise some people engage you in an argument and you also kena bananas like me.

Unless of course you haven't got one yet.

[chsum]

err...beh tahan aledi,

ksj ah, can't u see this is a no win situation for our cute adun, do die, no do also die, how? play dead loh. don't understand? put ur self in her shoes. ;)

SCCheah, let's say u win, all fng, gng r banned, all barrier taken down,
what would u do when every few days u hear neighbours hse get robbed?
what would u do when every few days a neighbour get samun walking outside?
what would u do when the neighbourhood watch night patrol u set up failed?
what would u do when all complaints to Police, Adun, MP came back nato?
what would u do when daytime patrol did not stop most crime?
what would u do when guards u hire to patrol ur neighbourhood did not stop crime?
I will tell you what happen when u can't find an answer to all above questions, sj will be labeled crime city, price of houses go down, those can afford to move will move, more n more empty houses, business will move out, police will think twice b4 coming to sj, familiar? u r a well traveled man, USA, the land of free ave plenty of those neighbourhood n don't tell me it wont happen here. :(

my 2 sens

[SCCheah]

err...beh tahan aledi,

ksj ah, can't u see this is a no win situation for our cute adun, do die, no do also die, how? play dead loh. don't understand? put ur self in her shoes. ;)

SCCheah, let's say u win, all fng, gng r banned, all barrier taken down,
what would u do when every few days u hear neighbours hse get robbed?
what would u do when every few days a neighbour get samun walking outside?
what would u do when the neighbourhood watch night patrol u set up failed?
what would u do when all complaints to Police, Adun, MP came back nato?
what would u do when daytime patrol did not stop most crime?
what would u do when guards u hire to patrol ur neighbourhood did not stop crime?
I will tell you what happen when u can't find an answer to all above questions, sj will be labeled crime city, price of houses go down, those can afford to move will move, more n more empty houses, business will move out, police will think twice b4 coming to sj, familiar? u r a well traveled man, USA, the land of free ave plenty of those neighbourhood n don't tell me it wont happen here. :(

my 2 sens


I am busily munching bananas but can't help replying.


Even without Fng or GnG, crimes will still be there.
I have said umpteen times that PDRM, the legislature and government must do more.
By tis I mean, the police must not sleep but be really pro-active. How many times have people lodged police report but no action, no results. Am I again making unfounded allegation?

Yes, the police have claimed certain victories in solving certain crimes. But there are many, many other crimes especially burglaries, robberies that seem to be open and shut case.

Take my case as a good example. A few years ago, (I said this a few months ago when I took part in this blog), that I lost RM35k (jewellery, cash, brand new cameras even two new pair of my CNY leather shoes) when my USJ 4/1 house was ransacked.

And yet,I don't go for FnG! My Rawang bungalow was also ransacked (but lost just a brand new portable DVD player) but I still refused to subscribe to the FnG that has now been implemented in my Bandar Country Homes area.

Why? I don't believe this is a solution nor even a deterrence. In fact I fear the guards more than the burglars because I don't trust them. Time will vindicate me.

So please don't say things as if I have never been a victim. In fact my wife was robbed right outside our USJ house. Won't go into details. I attended an inquiry at PJ Civic Centre with DAP top guns and BN top gunas there. I asked the audience present at the auditorium to show their hands those who have been robbed thrice. None. I was the only one but I don't and will never believe in turning my beloved USJ into a caged community.

There was no follow-upeach time I checked with the police.Case closed as usual!

I wish to reiterate that I am not against GnG (ready-made ones). But you simply can't hijack roads etc and create animosity among your neighbours who have been living so many years in an open concept township.

Got it?

Why are you all so scared. When my house was burgled I partly blamed myself because my backyard merely had chain-linked fencing and so does my front yard. Since then, I have put 6 more doors and built walls. this is my own protection and does n ot disturb or inconvenient anyone.

So you may ask. Why not add another level of security with CCTV,oil drums,guards, etc? You yourself once said that you initiated the move to put up back-lane gates.

Indeed I initiated the back lane gates and people now can come out to the back to stroll and potter around with their plants.

But blocking roads here and there is simply crazy and I have said many times that residents have isolated themselves and even cause a seismic shift in neighbourhood harmony. We have surrendered our security to the charge of others. In some areas like USJ 11 neighbours can't even speak up for themselves but refer matters to the RA.

If you are doing fencing, then you may as well build 10-ft high walls all around you. Please read and rte-read the USJ 11 Trees blog - see the arrogant way their moderator/committee talks to the residents - such condescending manner. It angers people and deepens animosity.

Small wonder, that blog reported that many cars were splashed with paints and burglaries still occur.I didn't say it. They confessed to it.

CCTVs can help and so does RT. I have said in the past that I was a commanding officer in the mid 1970s when I was working in the NST. I enjoyed it and now in the evening of my life, I would stilldo ronda if called upon.

Trouble with many of today's youngsters, they relegate their responsibilities to others (house work to the maid) and security to paid guards. I help my wife to do 80 per cent of the house work myself.No kidding.

We all can be robbed anywhere, anytime. So why shudder behind FnG? Who is benefiting from this? Who is planting more horror stories.I am not denying crimes still happen but hey, if I am a robber, the more you barricade, the more I will rob you!

The legislature - meaning the courts must impose severe penalties - from whipping to long jail terms. I can debate until the cows come home but kwchang has given me so many bananas I am still busy chewing them.

BTW it's not a case of winning or losing. It's logic and plain common sense and ultimately be brave and exercise due care as best as you can.

As for politicians - we must vote in people who are matured and wise and more importantly have the guts to push the authorities and PDRM - not merely do gotong royong, family day, solving CF problems etc. We musn't have ADUNS who are fence sitters and double-speak.

sj/usj crime city? There are crimes everywhere - even snatch thefts at Taipan - are you going to barricade Taipan as well?
Kick the police in the butt and make them walk and work!

In fact, the sight of all the fencing, oil drums already is the main cause of property price drops. Don't forget you are talking to a property expert - I am a property columnist of 20 years standing. USJ now looks like the suburbs of Johannesburg. Have you been there. I have.

There is a life out there man!

[ksj_cool]

You are right, the guards can't be 100% trusted!!!

I saw a guard peeping into houses and bathroom windows...they do it because they feel secure, nobody will check them..right?

We understand, as an ADUN she is busy but she has to coordinate these projects. Should you really need do it properly, block the main enterance to your taman, thats ok. Don't block every single lane, its ridiculous.

I've told the people who have set up security not to stop me , they can take down my number and details once, thats fine, but they need not stop me each time i pass thru.

Should I be subjected to do so, I will probably park my car in the middle of the road and demand to see them! So far so good, so no issue yet!

[SonOfSoil]

err...beh tahan aledi,

ksj ah, can't u see this is a no win situation for our cute adun, do die, no do also die, how? play dead loh. don't understand? put ur self in her shoes. ;)

SCCheah, let's say u win, all fng, gng r banned, all barrier taken down,
what would u do when every few days u hear neighbours hse get robbed?
what would u do when every few days a neighbour get samun walking outside?
what would u do when the neighbourhood watch night patrol u set up failed?
what would u do when all complaints to Police, Adun, MP came back nato?
what would u do when daytime patrol did not stop most crime?
what would u do when guards u hire to patrol ur neighbourhood did not stop crime?
I will tell you what happen when u can't find an answer to all above questions, sj will be labeled crime city, price of houses go down, those can afford to move will move, more n more empty houses, business will move out, police will think twice b4 coming to sj, familiar? u r a well traveled man, USA, the land of free ave plenty of those neighbourhood n don't tell me it wont happen here. :(

my 2 sens

I concur. This is a nation-wide problem, but certain people are making it seem to be like it's specific to Subang Jaya. You see the same GnG schemes all over PJ, Puchong, KL, Penang, Johor Baru and many other urban areas in this country. And I'm referring to the ones put up by resident groups in the "open township" areas.

If it's a national problem, you can't expect our MPSJ councillors or even our ADUN or MP alone to solve. Such macro-level problem indicates a flaw in the national legislation. That's the root cause. If we don't fix that, we will forever be reacting in an ad-hoc manner to this issue everywhere.

I actually find it very strange that some people are complaining as though this is a new phenomenon. Go to USJ 16, 17, 20+, almost all are employing its own GnG scheme, and these schemes have been in place for many years now, started during BN's time. And mind you, those parts of USJ are in DUN Kinrara, not Subang Jaya. Go to PJ, same thing. Let's focus our energy on root cause and not on personalities just because they're accessible.

[jan tomaswaki]

hey everybody i'm getting sick of all those funny excuses to implement FnG later GnG then BnG (brickwall and guard) BnBnG (brickwall,barbwire and goard)and last resort BnBnGnG (brickwall,barbwire,guard and gun)Ask yourself a question-Has USJ/SJ ever happen trigger happy ?

[SCCheah]

I concur. This is a nation-wide problem, but certain people are making it seem to be like it's specific to Subang Jaya. You see the same GnG schemes all over PJ, Puchong, KL, Penang, Johor Baru and many other urban areas in this country. And I'm referring to the ones put up by resident groups in the "open township" areas.

If it's a national problem, you can't expect our MPSJ councillors or even our ADUN or MP alone to solve. Such macro-level problem indicates a flaw in the national legislation. That's the root cause. If we don't fix that, we will forever be reacting in an ad-hoc manner to this issue everywhere.

I actually find it very strange that some people are complaining as though this is a new phenomenon. Go to USJ 16, 17, 20+, almost all are employing its own GnG scheme, and these schemes have been in place for many years now, started during BN's time. And mind you, those parts of USJ are in DUN Kinrara, not Subang Jaya. Go to PJ, same thing. Let's focus our energy on root cause and not on personalities just because they're accessible.

Who is that someone?

Of course it goes without saying that it's a nation-wide problem. However, it seems that this FnGs suddenly exploded soon after the last GE and people can see that certain political parties and politicians seem to be supporting this illegal matter.

There is also a tendency to challenge people like me like what would happen if FnGs are dismantled. What would I do if people are robbed every day and houses are burgled every day. Hey, crimes are happening everyday inside and outside FnGs etc.

I have already given USJ 11 as an example - that despite all their fortified efforts, burglaries still happen. So stop finding excuses.

With or without FnGs crimes will happen if the police do not do their job. The government must control and reduce the number of foreigners in Malaysia. Although not all crimes are committed by foreign workers like Indonesians etc, their rising numbers have resulted in a host of social ills and problems.

Let me just give you another simple example. When I told the police at Bukit Sentosa that my office unit has been vandalised (I bought a nearly 800 sq ft auctioned office unit for only RM10,000), guess what the police woman told me?

Go and get a guard.

This is the kind of lackadaisical attitude that has emboldened criminals. Block after block of offices in Jalan Seroja were vandalised wave after wave. They took away the aluminium window frames, pulled out all the wires/cables and finally even carted off with the metal staircase railings. Of course it is happening everywhere - even at USJ playgrounds.

I am not and have never said the BN government is blameless - I was discussing our very own issue in USJ and what our ADUN and councillors have or have not done.

Ultimately it is back to the police to do their job. You try to do it yourself by having your own private guards in an open concept township is fraught with problems and this is made worse when certain RAs and individuals continue to deride fellow neighbours who choose not to participate.