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jeffooi
25-12-2002, 08:34 AM
<font size="+1">Khir Toyo wants all beer ads removed from all restaurants, coffeeshops and hawker centres by March 2003</font>
Food practitioners call for respect to multi-culturalism and not follow the footsteps of Terengganu and Kelantan


<a href="http://www.bernama.com/B2002/news.shtml?general/ge2412_3"target="new">BERNAMA.COM</a> reports: Selangor Menteri Besar Datuk Seri Dr Mohd Khir Toyo urged the beer companies to reduce and tone down on their advertisements by March 2003.

<img src="http://www.agendadaily.com/images/story/2002-12-21mb_1.jpg" align="left">December 23, Khir instructed restaurants, coffeeshops and hawkers centres to take down all signages that carried beer advertisements.

Khir said he found these advertisements offensive and he did not want foreigners to get the impression that Selangor was a haven for boozers based on the excessive number of posters advertisements plastered inside and outside the shops.

<a href="http://www.agendadaily.com/details_selangor.php?id=14"target="new">Agendadaily</a> reports: Dr Khir berkata, di kawasan pentadbiran Majlis Perbandaran Subang Jaya (MPSJ) perkara ini banyak berlaku dan pihak berkuasa tempatan itu sudah diarah mengeluarkan surat kepada pemilik kedai makan supaya menurunkan papantanda iklan minuman keras yang keterlaluan.

Meanwhile, Hua Zong criticised the Selangor government's decision as it did not reflect the multi-ethinicity and multi-cultural practices in the country.

The association also expressed its worries that this would not be a precursor to Selangor following the footsteps of Terengganu and Kelantan state governments.


<font size="+1">Nanyang Siang Pau:
<a href="http://www.nanyang.com/articledisplay.htm?article_rn=212862"target="new">Hua Zong criticises Khor Toyo's decision</a>
<a href="http://www.nanyang.com/articledisplay.htm?article_rn=212863"target="new">Restauranteurs association wants respect for multicultural society</a></font>

joker2107
26-12-2002, 01:12 PM
:D :D :D

is anyone compiling the goofers by this khir toyo fella?

i'm sure it could make big bucks once it gets into print. for me i'll still stick to my vending machines for condoms.

:cool: :) :cool: :) :cool:

luke
26-12-2002, 05:46 PM
ahhaahhaaaaaaaa

jeffooi
26-12-2002, 09:31 PM
<font size="+1">Ho ho ho ho... lain cerita across the border, in Perak.
Hope the politicians there are still sober...</font> ;)


NEW STRAITS TIMES
Thursday, December 26, 2002

<font size="+1">Restaurants can still carry beer ads</font>
V. Anbalagan

The Perak Government assures restaurant and coffeeshop operators in the State that they are free to display beer logos in their advertising signboards.

State Executive Councillor Datuk Ho Cheng Wang said Menteri Besar Datuk Seri Tajol Rosli Ghazali provided the guarantee when the matter was brought to his attention.

...He said this in reaction to Selangor Menteri Besar Datuk Mohammad Khir Toyo's warning to all food outlets, coffeeshops and hawkers in the State to remove beer logos from their signboards within three months.

The business community, especially the Chinese, have expressed concern over the directive.

Ho said it was a bad omen for the Chinese to remove such sighboards from their business premises as it could mean business was coming to an end.

"We appreciate Tajol Rosli's understanding as it put to rest any apprehension among the business community in the State," he said.

It is learnt that the cost of installing such advertisement boards were either borne fully or partially by beer companies in return for promoting their drink to customers.


FULL STORY:
http://www.nst.com.my/Current_News/NST/Thursday/NewsBreak/20021226170156/Article/

jeffooi
27-12-2002, 07:38 AM
STRAITS TIMES Singapore
Friday, December 27, 2002

<font size="+2">Rising Islamisation worries non-Muslims</font>
Penang, Perak: No shorts in libraries
Selangor: No beer ads in eateries

By Reme Ahmad

SELANGOR wants beer ads taken down from food outlets while public libraries in Penang and Perak are stopping women in shorts from using their facilities.

Enforcement of these sorts of rules in the past few weeks has given the impression that political Islam is slowly making its presence felt in public places.

One worry among non-Muslims is that the enforcers are government officials and not linked to the fundamentalist Islamic party PAS.

Another worry is that the enforcers run mainstream states outside PAS-ruled Kelantan and Terengganu.

'It is worrying as non-Muslims could be heading for another type of discrimination.

'After discrimination based on race, will there be discrimination based on religion?' asked a political analyst who declined to be named.

Non-Muslim groups have voiced their disapproval at the encroachment but have skirted direct reference to Islam for fear of broaching a sensitive subject.

They make their case instead on the basis of Malaysia's multicultural and multi-religious heritage.

To be fair, Selangor has always been known for its strong enforcement of Islamic laws - there are regular raids on unmarried couples in parks, for example, and a virtual ban on Muslim girls taking part in beauty contests.

State authorities, in their time, have even banned a concert by pop superstar Michael Jackson.

Officials deny the latest enforcements have been influenced by rivalry between Umno and Parti Islam SeMalaysia (PAS) as each tries to appear more Islamic than the other. They say the rules have been there all along.

PAS, in its bid to outdo Umno, has banned karaoke outlets, pubs, unisex hair salons and gaming outlets.

It has also restricted liquor sales since it came to power in Kelantan and Terengganu in 1990 and 1999 respectively.

So when Selangor Mentri Besar Khir Toyo told all hawker centres and coffee shops to remove beer logos within three months, eyebrows were raised.

The ads were offensive and could give tourists the impression the state was a haven for drinking, he said.

'We advise shopowners to replace their signboards voluntarily with those that do not display any beer advertisements - subtle or otherwise.

'Sooner or later, the government will have to launch enforcement drives against outlets with such signboards and advertisements.'

His comments have raised a ruckus.

'The ads have been here all these years, why have these rules now?' asked one restaurant owner in eastern Selangor, pointing to the large beer ads on his walls.

The Federated Chinese Associations of Malaysia has described the directive as 'inappropriate for a multicultural country'.

A spokesman said the Mentri Besar was only referring to liquor ads in restaurants that did not sell liquor.

'This is not about fighting PAS and has nothing to do with introducing Islamic rules. It is about healthy living and influencing children.

'If non-Muslims want to drink in public, it is their right, the Mentri Besar is liberal about this, but the eateries that do not sell beer should not have the ads,' he said.

Datuk Seri Khir was only reminding the outlets of existing rules, he said.

Women in public libraries face another challenge, according to a letter sent to The Star newspaper.

'I have been told that I cannot wear shorts. I do not see anything wrong in wearing shorts, that is my personal right and I do not see what authority the librarian has to decide what I should wear,' said Dr Sarah Verghis about her recent visit to a Penang library.

Another writer from Ipoh, Dr Yoong Sao Chin, said a library in the Perak capital also frowned on shorts.

A National Library spokesman said the rules to 'dress decently' were not new and it had only on rare occasions turned away visitors due to their dressing.

'Unless they dress like they are going to a beach party, we normally leave them alone,' she said.

'We don't want them to dress up in a way that attracts attention to themselves instead of the books.'


SOURCE:
http://www.straitstimes.com.sg/asia/story/0,4386,162776,00.html?

jeffooi
28-12-2002, 08:46 AM
Please mull over the premises for argument/justification
used by the Chinese press.

There is the Dumb and there is the Dumber.
Don't you think so?

Make one wonder whether Nanyang has lost the
intellect or the courage to put forth a reason.


THE STAR
Saturday, December 28, 2002

<FONT SIZE="+1">Mohd Khir urged to rethink liquor ad ban</FONT>

TWO leading Chinese dailies have urged Selangor Mentri Besar Datuk Seri Dr Mohd Khir Toyo to reconsider his order to owners of food outlets to remove signboards that carried liquor advertisement, pointing out that it would cause inconvenience and financial losses to small-time operators.

Nanyang Siang Pau, in its editorial, said the Mohd Khir’s order meant that tens of thousands of small time operators in Selangor would have to fork out a small fortune and go through the tedious process of making new signboards to replace the ones they got for free from liquor distributors.

From the political point of view, said the daily, Mohd Khir’s order was reminiscent of the ban on the open selling of liquor in PAS-led Kelantan and Terengganu.

The editorial added that there were currently adequate legislations to regulate the liquor business and that the removal of signboards that carried liquor advertisement appeared to be unnecessary.

Sin Chew Daily criticised the Mentri Besar for issuing the order without prior consultation with the parties concerned.

“The order, which was made without going through the democratic process, only reflected the Mentri Besar’s sense of his own values and his personal wish,’’ said the daily in its editorial.


SOURCE:
http://www.thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2002/12/28/focus/learner&sec=focus

joker2107
28-12-2002, 09:32 AM
"There is the Dumb and there is the Dumber. "
... and there is competition for the dumbest :D :D :D

jeffooi
28-12-2002, 02:10 PM
The Dumbest may go to The Star after all. ;)

The Sun (28.12.2002) recaps the editorials of the two Chinese
dailies rather differently. It even runs a blurb on the front page:

"Dailies slam MB's ban on beer logos".

I haven't said anything about the "Man in the News" yet. :)

Loke
28-12-2002, 02:29 PM
hhmm, I wonder which part of the ad is offensive to Toyol - the beer itself or the pair of boobs starring at onlookers!!

wahh - the missing link - beer ads (the second part) and vice activities in Selangor!!??!

jeffooi
29-12-2002, 12:29 PM
NEW SUNDAY TIMES
Sunday, December 29, 2002

<font size="+1">No ban on sale of liquor in Selangor</font>
Azura Abas

SHAH ALAM, Dec 28: The Selangor Government has no intention of banning the sale of liquor at restaurants and eating outlets.

A statement today by State Local Government chairman Datuk Mohd Mokhtar Ahmad Dahlan and State Information Technology chairman Datuk Ch'ng Toh Eng stated local authorities were concerned over the growing number of liquor advertisements displayed without approval.

They said brewers and liquor manufacturers should advertise only after approvals were obtained.

Mokhtar and Ch'ng will discuss the matter with the brewers, liquor manufacturers and their sponsors.

Restaurant and eating outlet operators who have not applied for permits to put up liquor advertisements have three months to do so.

Brewers and liquor manufacturers are advised not to sponsor any restaurant or business outlets for the next three months while the authorities carry out their checks on advertisements.

On Monday, it was reported that food outlets in Selangor were not allowed to put up liquor advertisements on their signboards without approval of local authorities.

...Dr Khir had expressed concern over too many food outlets advertising liquor without approval in certain areas, including Subang Jaya.


SOURCE:
http://www.nst.com.my/Current_News/NST/Sunday/National/20021229082013/Article/

* * *

THE SUNDAY STAR
Sunday, December 29, 2002

No ban on alcoholic drinks
By LOONG MENG YEE

SHAH ALAM: Selangor will not ban the drinking of alcohol although it intends to regulate the excessive advertisement of alcoholic beverages, especially those found in family-oriented eating outlets, said state executive councillor Datuk Ch’ng Toh Eng.

“Selangor Mentri Besar Datuk Seri Dr Mohd Khir Toyo has no intention to disallow the sale of alcoholic beverages as he recognises that the state is made up of different races with different orientation towards alcohol consumption,” he said.

“He knows, for instance, the Chinese community takes to drinking at social functions and at festive occasions.

“He accepts it and does not wish to take away the community’s right,” said Ch’ng, who is also Selangor MCA secretary.

<img src="http://www.usj.com.my/usjXpress/getdata.php3?table=usjXpress&id=306" ALIGN="LEFT"> Read special report at www.usj.com.my


He said Dr Khir was concerned over beer advertisements with scantily dressed women found in eating places frequented by families.

...However, certain quarters had criticised the announcement and claimed that the move was the first step towards the eventual banning of the sale of alcoholic drinks in the state.

Ch’ng and exco member Datuk Mohd Mokhtar Ahmad Dahlan, who sit in a committee to look into establishing regulations for beer advertisements and to work with appointed representatives of beer companies and restaurant owners, issued a joint press statement on Friday to clear the confusion.

They said enforcement against such advertisements would only target signboards displaying beer logos without obtaining prior approvals from the local authorities.

“For those who have put up illegal signboards, the state government will give three months to operators of restaurants, coffee shops and other eateries to submit applications to the local authorities to display the beer logos,” said Ch’ng.

He added that beer manufacturers, including their marketing agents and publicists were disallowed from sponsoring any signboards for restaurants, eating shops and other kinds of business outlets within the three-month grace period.


SOURCE:
http://www.thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2002/12/29/nation/klgminum&sec=nation

aimless
29-12-2002, 12:40 PM
wow! This MB is destined for greatness! His actions are almost as hilarious as a certain US president currently in office...

To our leaders - STOP CONTROLLING OUR LIVES. We don't like it, we don't appreciate it, and if you push hard enough, people are going to push back. You can advise, you can issue guidelines, use propoganda, etc etc - that's your right. Just as long as the final decision on what sort of life to lead is left to the individual - that should be our right.

ng
29-12-2002, 03:18 PM
Instead of concentrating on non-productive things like banning of beer ads, boycotting coca-cola and demonstrating outside the american and singaporean embassies etc.

Let me remind the authorities that the following issues are more urgent.

1. The traffic jam is getting worse everyday. Even in non-peak hours, the traffic at federal highway is horrendous ! This is especially true near angkasapuri where people jump-queues.
The time spent in the traffic jams can be used for more family time or more work done !

2. The traffic jam in USJ and SJ is not improving either with a lot of people still double and triple parking. Why can't the authorities provide more parking space ?

3. The crime rate in USJ is not improving judging by the number of cars being stolen recently. Can't more resources be diverted to solve this problem and not on beer-ads !!!

4. I talked to a few foreigners and they say that the average malaysian cannot even give simple road direction instructions in english. Imagine how embarassed I was in being a malaysian.
It is time the average malaysians improve their english by studying at home during their free time and not let emotions get the better of them !

Let us all direct our energies into something more productive and useful for a change !

ginaphan
30-12-2002, 12:11 AM
First he objected to the sexist advertising used by beer companies..... (that's a plus point for his political career) ... he should just ensure that advertisements in his state are not sexist ...... he would have won a lot of support that way. I, and along with many NGOs, a certain high profile ministry, would have supported that move since we all hate to see the exploitation of women in the media. (Yes, I am a woman.)

Why did he have to take it a step further to include logos and other forms of advertising? Not even being able to display the image of a beer bottle - that's too much. Soon, the liquor companies will buy over travel agencies ... ;-)

O, well, an MB is not an elected position ... He doesn't need our votes!

edteam
30-12-2002, 08:34 AM
Gina, you may have got the sequence wrong.

First (Dec 23) Khir Toyo orderd to take down the beer-sponsored signboards, which are 'boring' trademarks and logos hung outdoor.

The Chinese press reported it, Bernama confirmed it. Then ruckus.

Then (Dec 27) Ch'ng Toh Eng said Khir is concerned over beer advertisements with scantily dressed women. These are artfully-executed, visually-enticing posters, pasted in coffeeshops, indoor.

If Khir is 'excited' over the scantily-dressed woman, then, where's the justification to take down the signboards?

They got a boot in the mouth, both Khir and Ch'ng.

* * *

Don't forget too, some of the beer/stout posters in the coffeeshops carry messages like the "Top 10" concerts to raise funds for Chinese school. Last Mid-Autumn festival, Lee Hwa Beng worked with Carlsberg and Nanyang Siang Pau and a free concert at MPSJ padang to raise fund for SJKC Chee Wen.

Do you think these Chee Wen kids will turn kaki botol after they graduate from Primary Six?

edteam
30-12-2002, 10:02 AM
THE STAR
Monday, December 30, 2002

LETTER
<FONT SIZE="+1">Don’t raise petty issues that can damage unity</FONT>

SELANGOR Menteri Besar Datuk Seri Dr Mohd Khir Toyo has again created an unnecessary issue by ordering food outlets to remove signboards that carry liquor advertisement.

Not long ago, he suggested convenient stores should stop selling condoms in order not to be seen as encouraging the public to indulge in unhealthy sex activities.

He later clarified by saying he merely suggested the stores place the condoms at a place not easily seen, especially by children, after some public outcry over his suggestion.

As it is almost impossible to stop people from indulging in unhealthy sex activities that may lead to infection of deadly disease like HIV virus, the Mentri Besar should instead find ways to prevent people from becoming victims of AIDS rather than discouraging people from taking safety precautions.

We are all living happily in a multi-racial country. Acceptance of and respect for each other’s culture and beliefs have helped us to stay united and overcome difficulties to ensure Malaysia remain stable politically and economically even though uncertainty is still looming over the world.

While non-Muslims consume liquors, they have never, at anytime, encouraged or forced Muslims to consume liquors.

Most of the food outlets owned by non-Muslims are selling liquors and are frequented by mostly non-Muslims whereas food outlets owned by Muslims are not selling liquors though they are frequented by both Muslims and non-Muslims.

We, Malaysians, have generally adjusted our living styles happily without any problem or issue and it is unnecessary for the Mentri Besar to raise the petty matter.

Prime Minister Datuk Seri Dr Mahathir Mohamad had mentioned before (after his visit to France) : “French President Chirac was drinking wine when we had meal together, but that does not mean that I do drink wine.”

Therefore, the putting up of liquor advertisement in food outlets owned mostly by non-Muslims should not be seen as offensive to Muslims, as claimed by the Mentri Besar.

It is hoped the Mentri Besar will allow food outlets to continue putting up liquor advertisement.

AH KOK,
Selangor.
(via e-mail)


SOURCE:
http://www.thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2002/12/30/focus/pettyx&sec=focus

sinleong
01-01-2003, 10:06 PM
To be fair, I think the beer ads are too much la...
they exploit women n since i am a beer drinker, i feel the ads insult my intelligence. Imagine if the woman is your daughter or wife...
I am sure I will still drink a lot of beer if the women are properly dressed in the ads...

edteam
02-01-2003, 07:04 AM
THE STAR
Tuesday, December 31, 2002

<FONT SIZE="+1">Beer makers agree to tone down ads</FONT>
By LOONG MENG YEE

KLANG: Selangor’s two largest beer manufacturers have given their commitment to tone down the aggressive sponsorship of signboards in family-oriented eating outlets, said Mentri Besar Datuk Seri Dr Mohd Khir Toyo.

“Representatives of the two companies recently met with two exco members (Datuk Ch’ng Toh Eng and Datuk Mohd Mokhtar Ahmad Dahlan) to discuss the state’s concern over the excessive advertisements of beer products in eating places.

“It has become so blatant that the logos of beer companies appear on most of the main signboards in food shops carrying the names of the outlets,” Dr Khir said on Sunday night.

“The state wants to make it clear that such excessive advertisement of beer is not condoned for health reasons and it also encourages youngsters to think that being associated with beer-drinking is ‘cool’ or trendy,” said Dr Khir.

He added that the state government recently issued a directive to food outlet operators who had illegally displayed beer logos to voluntarily replace them.

“When they submitted their applications for the signboards, they only gave specific information such as the name of the shop, with no mention of beer logos.

“Therefore, such signboards are considered illegal as they failed to comply with conditions set out by the local authorities,” he said.

He added the state did not mind bars and pubs displaying the logos of different beer companies, as such was the nature of their business.

He said the state government had received many complaints of family-oriented food outlets displaying beer logos on signboards with scantily clad models.


SOURCE:
http://www.thestar.com.my/news/archives/story.asp?ppath=\2002\12\31&file=/2002/12/31/nation/klgagree&sec=nation

jeffooi
02-01-2003, 09:00 PM
THE SUN
Thursday, January 2, 2003

<font size="+2">Onward, with a myopic view?</font>

Citizen Nades
citizen-nades@thesundaily.com

· If the Selangor Mentri Besar had his way, the Carlsberg Malaysian Open Golf cannot be held at the Mines. By his reasoning, the thousands of spectators and millions of television viewers will get the impression that the country is a "haven for beer drinkers". The large A-boards on the tee-boxes and the fairways which would be captured by television cameras, if the Mentri Besar is to be believed, would create the impression that everyone involved with golf are either drunkards or alcoholics.

· If the Mentri Besar had his way, the second leg of the Formula One championships will never be allowed to be held at the Sepang Circuit. Because there will be large banners and billboards advertising Fosters Beer; the worldwide television audience which runs into at least a billion, will get the impression that everyone who follows motor racing drinks beers by the litres. If the Mentri Besar is to be believed, the viewers will come to the conclusion that motor racing fans will be drunk long before the race itself starts.

· If the Selangor Mentri Besar had his way, Malaysia would have never participated in the Tiger Cup. This, according to him, would create the impression that all footballers in this country drink beer and their participation is an endorsement of the product.

· And finally, If the Mentri Besar had his way, the country's two breweries will be ordered to cease operations or be relocated away from Selangor; failing which, visitors to the state will go away with the impression that the state endorses and encourages beer drinking.[/b]

DON'T be alarmed, dear readers. These are my cynical readings of the mind of Selangor Mentri Besar Datuk Mohd Khir Toyo.

His recent antics over the issue of beer advertisements in coffee shops and restaurants, have now become a big issue being discussed at parties and get-togethers.

After making his stand known that the beer advertisements give the impression that "the state is a haven for drinkers", he has made several twists and turns in the wake of protests and objections.

From toning down posters in "family restaurants" to limiting signboards with beer logos, Mohd Khir has gone one complete circle and it has finally boiled down to licensing.

Mohd Khir's reasoning holds little or no water. Little wonder that all and sundry came down on him like a tonne of bricks, and he is now left to come up with reasons and excuses for letting his tongue slip.

His bunkered views, I am certain, are not consistent with the aspirations of our national leaders, who are advocating a pluralistic society each with their own beliefs, religions and cultures.

The fact that this decision was never discussed at any forum - the state assembly or the state executive council - gives the man-in-the-street the impression that one individual is trying to impose his will on the majority

For reasons better known to himself, Mohd Khir has ventured into unchartered waters, and if this trend is unchecked, it will drag the whole of society along with it.

His stand, view or opinion or whatever you want to call it, must NOT be argued on moral or religions grounds.

Because when race, religion or culture is used, it takes a dangerous twist, and wittingly or otherwise, politicians jump into the fray for their own selfish reasons.

Hence, common sense should prevail.

If the mere presence of posters and signboards can give the impression that the state is a haven for beer drinkers, then the mere presence of lottery outlets would also create the impression that Selangor is a haven for gamblers.

Similarly, the numerous medical and dental clinics would also represent the myopic view that we are a nation of sick people!

His notion that that "advertisements give the impression ..." is flimsy and unacceptable.

The people have a right to be consulted on changes in laws and policies.

And that's why we have state assemblymen representing the people's interests.

If there is no discussion or consultation, then democracy is not working.

If one man wants to use his decree to make or change laws and policies, then we might as well throw the statutes out of the window and use the law of the jungle.

Or are we getting a glimpse of Selangor's future [i]a'la Kelantan?

jeffooi
02-01-2003, 09:00 PM
THE SUN
Thursday, January 2, 2003

<font size="+2">Onward, with a myopic view?</font>

Citizen Nades
citizen-nades@thesundaily.com

· If the Selangor Mentri Besar had his way, the Carlsberg Malaysian Open Golf cannot be held at the Mines. By his reasoning, the thousands of spectators and millions of television viewers will get the impression that the country is a "haven for beer drinkers". The large A-boards on the tee-boxes and the fairways which would be captured by television cameras, if the Mentri Besar is to be believed, would create the impression that everyone involved with golf are either drunkards or alcoholics.

· If the Mentri Besar had his way, the second leg of the Formula One championships will never be allowed to be held at the Sepang Circuit. Because there will be large banners and billboards advertising Fosters Beer; the worldwide television audience which runs into at least a billion, will get the impression that everyone who follows motor racing drinks beers by the litres. If the Mentri Besar is to be believed, the viewers will come to the conclusion that motor racing fans will be drunk long before the race itself starts.

· If the Selangor Mentri Besar had his way, Malaysia would have never participated in the Tiger Cup. This, according to him, would create the impression that all footballers in this country drink beer and their participation is an endorsement of the product.

· And finally, If the Mentri Besar had his way, the country's two breweries will be ordered to cease operations or be relocated away from Selangor; failing which, visitors to the state will go away with the impression that the state endorses and encourages beer drinking.

DON'T be alarmed, dear readers. These are my cynical readings of the mind of Selangor Mentri Besar Datuk Mohd Khir Toyo.

His recent antics over the issue of beer advertisements in coffee shops and restaurants, have now become a big issue being discussed at parties and get-togethers.

After making his stand known that the beer advertisements give the impression that "the state is a haven for drinkers", he has made several twists and turns in the wake of protests and objections.

From toning down posters in "family restaurants" to limiting signboards with beer logos, Mohd Khir has gone one complete circle and it has finally boiled down to licensing.

Mohd Khir's reasoning holds little or no water. Little wonder that all and sundry came down on him like a tonne of bricks, and he is now left to come up with reasons and excuses for letting his tongue slip.

His bunkered views, I am certain, are not consistent with the aspirations of our national leaders, who are advocating a pluralistic society each with their own beliefs, religions and cultures.

The fact that this decision was never discussed at any forum - the state assembly or the state executive council - gives the man-in-the-street the impression that one individual is trying to impose his will on the majority

For reasons better known to himself, Mohd Khir has ventured into unchartered waters, and if this trend is unchecked, it will drag the whole of society along with it.

His stand, view or opinion or whatever you want to call it, must NOT be argued on moral or religions grounds.

Because when race, religion or culture is used, it takes a dangerous twist, and wittingly or otherwise, politicians jump into the fray for their own selfish reasons.

Hence, common sense should prevail.

If the mere presence of posters and signboards can give the impression that the state is a haven for beer drinkers, then the mere presence of lottery outlets would also create the impression that Selangor is a haven for gamblers.

Similarly, the numerous medical and dental clinics would also represent the myopic view that we are a nation of sick people!

His notion that that "advertisements give the impression ..." is flimsy and unacceptable.

The people have a right to be consulted on changes in laws and policies.

And that's why we have state assemblymen representing the people's interests.

If there is no discussion or consultation, then democracy is not working.

If one man wants to use his decree to make or change laws and policies, then we might as well throw the statutes out of the window and use the law of the jungle.

Or are we getting a glimpse of Selangor's future a'la Kelantan?