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CS Chua
25-06-2010, 12:05 PM
I have been monitoring my sugar level after eating local hawker food. Since I know my sugar level before breakfast (10 hours fasting) I decided to take a reading 2 hours after each breakfast. These are the 3 results:

1. Koey Teow Meehoon Soup Pork noodles Large = 7.8
This is the ordinary pork noodles with light soup.

2. Koey Teow Meehoon Fish/meat/ Ball Soup Large = 11.6
This soup has extremely strong taste and was rather concentrated compared to the #1.

3. Dry Wanton mee char siew/wanton 1 1/2 piece = 6.6

It seems that the type of soup base makes a lot of difference to the results. The dry wanton mee has a lower result since there is no soup. #2 was the worse because they probably use a higher concentration of certain stuff. I will have to avoid that stall.

According to studies, 2 hours after a meal, the acceptable result is 7.5. So, looks like I should be avoiding soup noodles and take more dry or kwon loh noodles. For other tests, I will try the Malaysian favorites like Chicken Rice, Nasi Lemak, and mamak food (one piece fried chicken plus veggies with lots of curry). That will help me to know what to avoid in future.

lhct
25-06-2010, 12:48 PM
I have been monitoring my sugar level after eating local hawker food. Since I know my sugar level before breakfast (10 hours fasting) I decided to take a reading 2 hours after each breakfast. These are the 3 results:

1. Koey Teow Meehoon Soup Pork noodles Large = 7.8
This is the ordinary pork noodles with light soup.

2. Koey Teow Meehoon Fish/meat/ Ball Soup Large = 11.6
This soup has extremely strong taste and was rather concentrated compared to the #1.

3. Dry Wanton mee char siew/wanton 1 1/2 piece = 6.6

It seems that the type of soup base makes a lot of difference to the results. The dry wanton mee has a lower result since there is no soup. #2 was the worse because they probably use a higher concentration of certain stuff. I will have to avoid that stall.

According to studies, 2 hours after a meal, the acceptable result is 7.5. So, looks like I should be avoiding soup noodles and take more dry or kwon loh noodles. For other tests, I will try the Malaysian favorites like Chicken Rice, Nasi Lemak, and mamak food (one piece fried chicken plus veggies with lots of curry). That will help me to know what to avoid in future.
A sort of a "in for a penny, in for a pound" request - can you try Bak Kut Teh and post the results :D

CS Chua
25-06-2010, 01:29 PM
A sort of a "in for a penny, in for a pound" request - can you try Bak Kut Teh and post the results :D
Hehehe... I eat BKT once every full moon. I usually cook BKT at home. Those ready make spices are really good. However, I will keep that in mind. There is supposed to be a good BKT stall near my house.

bslee
25-06-2010, 01:39 PM
More often than not, I'm quite concerned more of how hygienically outside food is prepared and that issue can be so subjective here in Malaysia. Of course nothing compares to home cooked food where you yourself cook your own food to your own taste or quality, moroever minus any unhealthy ingredients. For me, eating out is near last resort and there's so many foods that I'd try best not to eat too often.
I could even think Satay is more damaging to health than pork char siew (even with full of roasted carbon) because satay kuah is so heavily sweetened nowadays. (those that I've eaten time and again).

fRaNkY
25-06-2010, 02:33 PM
Mee Hoon made of rice flour? = carboh = glucose. Same like rice. Sugar level shoot up.

Some times the soup they add sugar to make it sweet.

You can cut down the wantan, glucose further - sugar level if u ask them dont put the sweet sauce too much or just some soya sauce and onion oil.

CS Chua
26-06-2010, 11:59 AM
Had nasi lemak with ikan bilis plus petai and sea harm. Reading was 7.1. So, it was substantially lower than both the noodle soups but still higher than the kwon loh wanton mee. Looks like rice might be better than noodles after all. For diabetics or pre-diabetics, this will be helpful to know.

bslee
26-06-2010, 01:14 PM
Mr Chua, how about a measure of Nasi Kandar or Banana leaf meal?.. of course don't lah with expensive prawn, crab, or sotong. :D

CS Chua
26-06-2010, 01:24 PM
All these are in my list but it has to be first thing in the morning. After a good night sleep, my sugar level is back to normal so the reading will be more accurate if it is the first meal of the day. If it is the 2nd meal, it might not be too accurate even after 3 hrs.

Sentinel
26-06-2010, 09:56 PM
Chua, beehoon is made from rice flour and so is kuey teow and these are carbohydrates... its a no no if you are diabetic of Type II ie diabetes mellitus type. Eat a little or moderation.

Tak ketupat, bak chang or any glutinous rice-based food and you might hit 13 or 14 in your glucose level reading....

Whack a kueh talam ie glutinous rice rice at bottom with sweet santan on top and you will probably hit 16 too!

Eat a bowl of pulut hitam or a bowl of the Thai dessert made of red colored glutinous / starch balls with jackfruit and sugar syrup.... this is the way for diabetics who want to commit suicide to add kidney and whatever troubles.... including having a leg amputated!

Sentinel
26-06-2010, 10:00 PM
All these are in my list but it has to be first thing in the morning. After a good night sleep, my sugar level is back to normal so the reading will be more accurate if it is the first meal of the day. If it is the 2nd meal, it might not be too accurate even after 3 hrs.The daily reading is just an indication my friend regardless of when you conduct your reading. The only reading yang boleh pakai is the full blood test known as the HbA1C test done by the hospital laboratory, it is a reading of your actual average glucose in your blood for the past 3 months. This is the REAL TEST! It has to be around 5.5 to 6 to be really be in control of your diabetes.

p.s. You can go to a private lab like Pathlab and ask for the HbA1C Test... just a few ringgit... every three months and then come and tell us what is your reading.... :D

fRaNkY
26-06-2010, 10:13 PM
There is a lab next to Sony Taipan or SS15 Eon Bank row.

Try not to use yourself as a tester or might become a full blown diabetic problem.

Sentinel
26-06-2010, 10:34 PM
There is a lab next to Sony Taipan or SS15 Eon Bank row.

Try not to use yourself as a tester or might become a full blown diabetic problem.
C'mon lah Franky, the HbA1C test is whereby the lab takes a bit of your blood and conducts a test and lets you know the results in a few days so I I don't see how he could become a divbetic problem just doing that. Every healthy person should subject themselves to this test once a while to check their glucose level. My wife and I do the test regularly.

zinglicious
27-06-2010, 06:56 AM
May B the best instant test is to pee and see the ants are attracted to D urine! :D :eek: :D

CS Chua
27-06-2010, 01:09 PM
The daily reading is just an indication my friend regardless of when you conduct your reading. The only reading yang boleh pakai is the full blood test known as the HbA1C test done by the hospital laboratory, it is a reading of your actual average glucose in your blood for the past 3 months. This is the REAL TEST! It has to be around 5.5 to 6 to be really be in control of your diabetes.

p.s. You can go to a private lab like Pathlab and ask for the HbA1C Test... just a few ringgit... every three months and then come and tell us what is your reading.... :D
Thanks for the advice. The HbA1C test is a good test as it gives the average for the last few months. But it does not tell you about the specifics. I bought an Accu-Chek Performa Gold Edition blood glucose meter. And each test strip costs me about RM2.50. And the GP and the pharmacies use this type of glucose meter to test their patients and customers too. This is very handy because it can be done at home and gives you instant and accurate result. This meter is useful by helping us know what food to avoid. If cost is not a concern, we are to take readings 2 hours after each meal so that we can identify "problematic meals" and avoid them in future. In that way, it helps us to know our diet and plan a more informed diet.The HbA1C test only tells you the average but without the specifics, it is hard not knowing what to avoid.

Just stereotyping this and that as carbo is not sufficient. If we do that, we will end up eating nothing but cow grass. With the meter, I now know which stall to avoid or which food to take less. Once I have all the specifics, and work around it, the HbA1C test will confirm whether my diet is working or not.

lhct
27-06-2010, 01:24 PM
Once I have all the specifics, and work around it, the HbA1C test will confirm whether my diet is working or not.
Way to go, dear sir! This would be my preferred route too, provided I am not diabetic.

CS Chua
27-06-2010, 02:52 PM
Way to go, dear sir! This would be my preferred route too, provided I am not diabetic.
When was your last blood test? And was your blood sugar level satisfactory? Things change as we grow older so best to keep an eye on it if you are above 40 and definitely if you are above 50.

Sentinel
27-06-2010, 04:29 PM
Just stereotyping this and that as carbo is not sufficient. If we do that, we will end up eating nothing but cow grass. With the meter, I now know which stall to avoid or which food to take less. Once I have all the specifics, and work around it, the HbA1C test will confirm whether my diet is working or not.
Why reinvent the wheel? Diabetes Mellitus Type II has been around for decades now, there are so much written about this degenerating disease, there are so many associations formed for diabetic sufferers, there are so many webforums on this disease even in Malaysia....

Just FYI I am a Diabetic Type II sufferer for a few years now and my own glucose reading this morning (starving) was 4.7. I eat everything, (the mean chef Zinglicious can tell you that!) and I even drink liquor and smoke cigars but I do also take lots of precautions too. Thus, I was just sharing my experience but looks like you want to experiment, enjoy yourself....

I also drink fruit juices but its always prepared properly with lots of green guava, green apples and celery. Many diabetics get fooled that carrots are OK (because it doesn't taste sweet) but read about it elsewhere and try it yourself too and you will know it is high glucose content.

One of our more prominent forumers, the late Carol Rasiah, was a diabetic and she was a walking encyclopaedie when it comes to types of foods suitable. She has always PM'ed me with lots of articles but unfortunately she has gone too early, otherwise I know Carol would be in this thread by now...

fRaNkY
27-06-2010, 06:17 PM
C'mon lah Franky, the HbA1C test is whereby the lab takes a bit of your blood and conducts a test and lets you know the results in a few days so I I don't see how he could become a divbetic problem just doing that. Every healthy person should subject themselves to this test once a while to check their glucose level. My wife and I do the test regularly.

What I meant, one shouldnt use himself to test every food and use the personal tester, just to see the result, even though the food categorized as... must avoid or high sugar content.

If on the borderline cases, avoid those with high sugar content stuff. My Dr says borderline means your body still produce enough insulin to cover the stuff u eat in moderate and exercise more :D

I also did hbA1c regularly due to my parents being diabetic.

There is an article in TheStar today...

Sentinel
27-06-2010, 10:55 PM
What I meant, one shouldnt use himself to test every food and use the personal tester, just to see the result, even though the food categorized as... must avoid or high sugar content.

If on the borderline cases, avoid those with high sugar content stuff. My Dr says borderline means your body still produce enough insulin to cover the stuff u eat in moderate and exercise more :D

I also did hbA1c regularly due to my parents being diabetic.

There is an article in TheStar today...
My apologies Franky, I misread and misunderstood your point, sorry yah.

zinglicious
28-06-2010, 12:45 AM
Why reinvent the wheel? Diabetes Mellitus Type II has been around for decades now, there are so much written about this degenerating disease, there are so many associations formed for diabetic sufferers, there are so many webforums on this disease even in Malaysia....

Just FYI I am a Diabetic Type II sufferer for a few years now and my own glucose reading this morning (starving) was 4.7. I eat everything, (the mean chef Zinglicious can tell you that!) and I even drink liquor and smoke cigars but I do also take lots of precautions too. Thus, I was just sharing my experience but looks like you want to experiment, enjoy yourself....

I also drink fruit juices but its always prepared properly with lots of green guava, green apples and celery. Many diabetics get fooled that carrots are OK (because it doesn't taste sweet) but read about it elsewhere and try it yourself too and you will know it is high glucose content.

One of our more prominent forumers, the late Carol Rasiah, was a diabetic and she was a walking encyclopaedie when it comes to types of foods suitable. She has always PM'ed me with lots of articles but unfortunately she has gone too early, otherwise I know Carol would be in this thread by now...

One of the worst fruits for diabetes is durian! And I think it is Sentinel's favorite - especially the ones found in Penang called Lin Fong Chiao. ;)
And he also couldnt resist Zinglicious Bananarama by the mean Chef though it is forewarned by sinfully contents especially the ice cream which I usually dont made it myself. :eek:

Just in case, you missed it, useful info on dreadful diabetes info from The Star on saturday.http://thestar.com.my/health/story.asp?file=/2010/6/20/health/6484559&sec=health

The managment of diabetes is clearly adequate exercise, moderation of carb, minimise glucose, and plenty of healthy meals with greens. :)

Sentinel
28-06-2010, 11:36 AM
FYI the durian is called Lin Fong Chiao by the plantation owner because (according to his words):

the durian flesh are snow white like her skin;
the skin might be white, but the taste is bitter, just like her too (thats why she ran away to stay in the US from Jackie Chan);
the seeds are big like her....... (his words, not mine!).

:D

CS Chua
28-06-2010, 12:18 PM
[QUOTE=Sentinel]Why reinvent the wheel? Diabetes Mellitus Type II has been around for decades now, there are so much written about this degenerating disease, there are so many associations formed for diabetic sufferers, there are so many webforums on this disease even in Malaysia....

Just FYI I am a Diabetic Type II sufferer for a few years now and my own glucose reading this morning (starving) was 4.7. I eat everything, (the mean chef Zinglicious can tell you that!) and I even drink liquor and smoke cigars but I do also take lots of precautions too. Thus, I was just sharing my experience but looks like you want to experiment, enjoy yourself.... QUOTE]

I think the quotation from that Star article underlines what I was trying to say, but then you do not have to follow it. Everybody got their own life and only they themseves know what is best for their bodies.

"The optimal control of both FPG and PPG is essential for achieving HbA1c targets.

T2D is characterised by a gradual decline in insulin production in response to nutrient loads, which means that it is primarily a disorder of PPG regulation.

Indeed, there is enough evidence to suggest that post-prandial hyperglycaemia is fairly common, even in people who are considered to have “good metabolic control”.

Therefore, it follows logically that controlling PPG levels, as well as FPG levels, are keys to managing T2D and achieving HbA1c targets.

Regulating FPG levels is necessary, but that alone is insufficient to achieve HbA1c goals in most instances.

PPG is also an essential component in the management of T2D."

Fasting plasma glucose (FPG), refers to the blood sugar level before a meal. The second, known as post-prandial glucose (PPG), refers to the blood sugar level after a meal. Therefore a glucose meter can establish FPG and PPG. It is regulating FPG and PPG that leads to good HbA1c results. And most important, as the above article states, a good HbA1c result does not mean that spikes in PPG do not occur.

Sentinel
28-06-2010, 01:18 PM
Regulating FPG levels is necessary, but that alone is insufficient to achieve HbA1c goals in most instances.

PPG is also an essential component in the management of T2D."

Fasting plasma glucose (FPG), refers to the blood sugar level before a meal. The second, known as post-prandial glucose (PPG), refers to the blood sugar level after a meal. Therefore a glucose meter can establish FPG and PPG. It is regulating FPG and PPG that leads to good HbA1c results. And most important, as the above article states, a good HbA1c result does not mean that spikes in PPG do not occur.
Thats what I am trying to tell you. It has been known for ages that controlling food intake is the key to controlling blood glucose level.

Blood glucose spikes do occur and they have always been there, I never said that undergoing HbA1C tests will remove the spikes, did I?

Third and most important, never lead a sedentary lifestyle and exercise at least 30 minutes every day. If you want your reading the next morning at 4.5-5.0, just vtake a brisk walk after dinner, just watch the reading....

p.s. there are some old 'tricks' out there including the types of plants, misai kucing tea, ladies fingers soaked overnighters, and latest from China, Chicken and Lime recipe....

lly
28-06-2010, 04:29 PM
Surprisingly taking oats can also shoot up the blood glucose level. Oats is carbohydrate and taking many scoops will spike the glucose level.

Sentinel
28-06-2010, 04:35 PM
Surprisingly taking oats can also shoot up the blood glucose level. Oats is carbohydrate and taking many scoops will spike the glucose level.
Please tell that to my wife! :D

The trade-off is good fibre for bowel movement, lowers cholestrol in the long run and supposed to be good if you do not add anything like raisins, apricots, bananas etc but then it tastes like what Currymee said... horse-feed!

cskok8
28-06-2010, 07:20 PM
There are simple carbohydrates and complex. Simple ones are like sugars where they are rapidly digested and absorbed. These will cause a spike in blood sugar. Complex carbohydrates like oats, other cereals take longer to digest and absorb; reducing the spike in blood sugar.

So Sentinel; back to your oats. :D
They really are good for you.

(P.S. I do not know your Mrs so she could not have paid me to say this)

Sentinel
28-06-2010, 07:38 PM
Thank you, Sir. I will try my best to eat those oats with a smile... I will try. :D

currymee
28-06-2010, 09:11 PM
Me too ... felt so put off, don't even want to comment about it daily ... :rolleyes: :p :p

CS Chua
30-06-2010, 12:34 PM
2 hours after Chicken Rice meal (drumstick + one plate of rice): 5.9

CS Chua
05-07-2010, 11:26 AM
Instant noodles soup (prawn flavor) with 2 eggs, prawns and bitter gourd, reading 2 hours later: 5.9mmol!

Looks like what they say is true - home cooked food is good. 5.9mmol is the lowest so far for all the food eaten and that is instant noodles! It will be better if it is just plain brasmati rice and some simple dishes.

In my Accu-check book, the targets for Type 2 Diabetes Mellitus is:

a. Fasting 4.4 - 6.1
b. Non Fasting 4.4 - 8.0
c. HbA1c <6.5

Looks like mine is under control for now. I hope yours is as well.