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currymee
16-06-2010, 05:03 PM
Cabinet now mulls PICC as new Parliament House

How come Malaysia like to shift house every few decades or so ? No sense of history or belonging? :confused:

Anyway, IF it had to shift, the PICC is a good choice, isolated, middle of nowhere, on a small pimple of a hill, WHITE ELEPHANT (to use Nazri's own words) - MOST SUITABLE FOR THE UNDESIRABLE MEMBERS OF SOCIETY - POLITICANS !!!! :p :p :D :D

http://www.themalaysianinsider.com/malaysia/article/cabinet-now-mulls-picc-as-new-parliament-house

Sentinel
16-06-2010, 06:59 PM
They better check the roof too before moving in.

bslee
16-06-2010, 07:02 PM
Does Malaysia really really need a new Parliament house?
I really really don't think so. But I'm certain a lot of those who go there NEED TO BE REPLACED!

Sentinel
16-06-2010, 07:04 PM
Does Malaysia really really need a new Parliament house?
I really really don't think so. But I'm certain a lot of those who go there NEED TO BE REPLACED!Read my signature please....

bslee
16-06-2010, 07:07 PM
Read my signature please....

Errr... not exactly repetitive but putting 2+2 together.

mykern
16-06-2010, 07:14 PM
Read my signature please....

Who is the author of your signature as you put it in ""?
I tend to agree with the move to PICC .... it beats the jam getting to and out of KL ...

AllUrban
17-06-2010, 03:39 PM
Who is the author of your signature as you put it in ""?
I tend to agree with the move to PICC .... it beats the jam getting to and out of KL ...it's not the worst idea to come out of Nazri's mouth in recent years - and Im quite interested in knowing why he mentioned it :rolleyes:

Look at it this way, having Parliament at PICC means the following:

Practical side

1. The Legislative Branch of the Government to the same site as the Executive & Judiciary meaning that there would only be one seat of government, not two seats.

2. PICC is not being used and is acting as "a white elephant" (according to Nazri)

3. There would be an additional reason to go to Putrajaya beyond taking your foreign friends for a visit or going to take wedding photos.

4. The presence of hundreds of MPs and their support workers as well as parliament employees would mean more economic activity - meaning that more of the buildings would become used instead of empty.

5. PICC is actually in the city, accessible by public transport and has lots of parking - and the increased activity would probably justify them continuing the construction of the stalled monorail project.

Also, the symbolic side:

1. Putting the Executive, Legislative & Judicial branches in the same area supports the concept of 'balance of powers' in a healthy democracy.

2. Putting the Legislative in PICC means that it will be raised to the same level as the Executive (both of them staring at each other down Persiaran Perdana, much like the White House & Capitol in the USA).

3. Parliament will be quite "visible" to the people, keeping true with the concept that "the work of government must not only be done, it must be seen to be done"

And the most important of all:

The agreement between the Sultan of Selangor and the Federal Government in the transfer of KL was that KL would be a federal territory as long as it was the seat of government.

Also, the agreement between the Sultan of Selangor and the Federal Government regarding the transfer of lands to create what is now Putrajaya was that the land would be transferred as long as KL was returned to the Selangor government.

So, if Parliament is moved to Putrajaya, KL becomes a city under the government of Selangor instead of a Federal Territory!

To me that is truly worth the change.

Cheers, m

isarahim
17-06-2010, 04:20 PM
I agree totally with AllUrban, since all these billions of RM are now already sunk-in taxpayers monies into the Putrajaya behemoth, we might as well put it to use. The damage is done. Time for damage control.

I do not however think that the co-location of legislative, executive and judical is merely symbolic. It's essential for democracy. They should be adjacent. Just like in Washington and, evenmoreso, London.

It's rather sad that schoolbooks and tourist guides will now have to be reprinted with Putrajaya as capital of Malaysia in lieu of Kuala Lumpur, but what's the choice?

cskok8
17-06-2010, 04:23 PM
PICC destined as a white elephant from the moment it was built. Too many convention centres in Klang Valley, no hotels nearby, no public transport, far away from entertainment, shopping etc. Who is the idiot who approved it anyway? :mad:

currymee
17-06-2010, 04:31 PM
KL was built by a "triad" lord while Putrajaya was built by Tun M (hero of UMNO, BN and NEP), so must move, cannot forever being written in history of Malaysia that its capital is built by the Chinese "tongs" :p :p ..... the only capital in the world built by the UNDERWORLD LORD !!!! :D :D

Note: My point is not about race (coincidental) but by nature of the job/position that Yap Ah Loy used to hold .... TAIKOR .... ;)

AllUrban
17-06-2010, 05:20 PM
KL was built by a "triad" lord while Putrajaya was built by Tun M (hero of UMNO, BN and NEP), so must move, cannot forever being written in history of Malaysia that its capital is built by the Chinese "tongs" :p :p ..... the only capital in the world built by the UNDERWORLD LORD !!!! :D :D

Note: My point is not about race (coincidental) but by nature of the job/position that Yap Ah Loy used to hold .... TAIKOR .... ;)no big deal...
Sometimes the best governors and law enforcers are the ones who are gangsters and 'criminals' is a subjective term.

It's all part of the social contract anyways (the Hobbes one, not the Malaysian one) - we give up our rights to total freedom or independence in exchange for protection & support provided by:

a) God (or other name)
b) the government
c) gangsters
d) any of the above
e) all of the above


Cheers, m

kwchang
17-06-2010, 05:22 PM
PICC destined as a white elephant ..no hotels nearby...
Actually, there is one 5-star resort very near to the PICC ... Pullman (http://www.pullmanputrajaya.com/) and another 5-star not that far away, Shangri-La (http://www.shangri-la.com/en/property/kualalumpur/putrajayashangrila). Then a bit further out at the fringes of Putrajaya, we have Marriott (http://www.marriott.com/hotels/travel/kulpg-putrajaya-marriott-hotel/) and Palm Garden IOI resort (http://www.palmgarden.com.my/pgh/index.php)

SingaporeEhSai!
17-06-2010, 06:06 PM
good :D move la, more big spaces for rakyat to hold protest without creating traffic jams for others...

cskok8
17-06-2010, 09:30 PM
Actually, there is one 5-star resort very near to the PICC ... Pullman (http://www.pullmanputrajaya.com/) and another 5-star not that far away, Shangri-La (http://www.shangri-la.com/en/property/kualalumpur/putrajayashangrila). Then a bit further out at the fringes of Putrajaya, we have Marriott (http://www.marriott.com/hotels/travel/kulpg-putrajaya-marriott-hotel/) and Palm Garden IOI resort (http://www.palmgarden.com.my/pgh/index.php)

True, but how far away. Still need to use car or taxi.

Rhiga
18-06-2010, 09:59 AM
Gohmen has wasted huge amount of money on PICC and it is hugely under-utilized, needs few hundred years to pay back.

It is ridiculous to spend another huge sum on PICC to rectify the previous mistake.

As I said before, everything starts with PROJECTS to allow money to flow, change hand and ultimately to enrich themselves.

It is better to keep PICC that way..as a constant reminder to rakyat how hard-earned tax-payers money has been wasted… and perhaps a good campaign tool for the opposition to inform rakyat where the country revenue has gone to…

AllUrban
18-06-2010, 06:00 PM
I agree totally with AllUrban, since all these billions of RM are now already sunk-in taxpayers monies into the Putrajaya behemoth, we might as well put it to use. The damage is done. Time for damage control.

I do not however think that the co-location of legislative, executive and judical is merely symbolic. It's essential for democracy. They should be adjacent. Just like in Washington and, evenmoreso, London.

It's rather sad that schoolbooks and tourist guides will now have to be reprinted with Putrajaya as capital of Malaysia in lieu of Kuala Lumpur, but what's the choice?The symbolism is in the actual placing of the parliament building.

For example, placing the building on top of a hill (Ottawa, Australia, Malaysia), or in the centre of a city with streets radiating around it (Brasilia, Islamabad, Delhi) - or both, like the US Capitol.

If PICC became Parliament, the symbolism would be in:

*the elevation of the building (on top of the hill) for all to see
*the uniqueness of the design
*the connection to the city
*the executive (Sri Perdana and Istana Putra) at one end of the boulevard and PICC at the other end, with the Supreme Court in the middle.

Cheers, m

fRaNkY
18-06-2010, 07:31 PM
Actually, there is one 5-star resort very near to the PICC ... Pullman (http://www.pullmanputrajaya.com/) and another 5-star not that far away, Shangri-La (http://www.shangri-la.com/en/property/kualalumpur/putrajayashangrila). Then a bit further out at the fringes of Putrajaya, we have Marriott (http://www.marriott.com/hotels/travel/kulpg-putrajaya-marriott-hotel/) and Palm Garden IOI resort (http://www.palmgarden.com.my/pgh/index.php)

Two more if you consider the KL hilton & the other one next door....via ERL

cskok8
18-06-2010, 08:44 PM
Two more if you consider the KL hilton & the other one next door....via ERL

Those are a LOOOOOOOOOONG way off. Besides if the participants are staying there, why not hold the convention at KL Hilton/Meridien instead.

clfoo
19-06-2010, 12:16 AM
Two more if you consider the KL hilton & the other one next door....via ERL

like that also can? Then there should be more hotels to be included from brickfield area, even ERL can barely reach putrajaya still they cannot reach PICC on foot.

Now they said PICC is white elephant, yet still support Naza to build another convention center.
http://tonypua.blogspot.com/2009/11/crony-piratisation-returns.html
If fail again then turn into indoor zoo? since we have so many white elephants :(

patling63
19-06-2010, 03:27 PM
Improving the quality of our parliamentarians is more important, not the building, please!

DarkNite
19-06-2010, 03:39 PM
Improving the quality of our parliamentarians is more important, not the building, please!
Hear hear, there must be regulations or laws in place before the candidate is eligible.

AllUrban
19-06-2010, 10:18 PM
like that also can? Then there should be more hotels to be included from brickfield area, even ERL can barely reach putrajaya still they cannot reach PICC on foot.but there are buses that travel through Putrajaya that could reach PICC...as well as the stalled Putrajaya Monorail project, which is supposed to have a station at PICC.

Cheers, m

clfoo
20-06-2010, 03:13 AM
but there are buses that travel through Putrajaya that could reach PICC...as well as the stalled Putrajaya Monorail project, which is supposed to have a station at PICC.

Cheers, m

with such inconveniences do you think that is really a pulling factor for convention participants? especially for those who can afford to stay at hilton or meridien, i would bet they rather take taxi from KL direct to PICC. In that case isn't it better ppl choose KLCC then?

smoothead
20-06-2010, 12:13 PM
If the former Perak government can hold its assembly under a tree, I don't see why the present ruling parliamentarians make a big fuss about building a new building that is only being used a couple of times in a year.
Hold it under a tree as this saves the rakyat millions in building a new one and then having to maintain it again. Its cheaper to grow a few trees if one is not enough!!!! This way we can boast to the world that we are the greenest parliamentarians on this planet. Even cheaper to maintain it, provided the contract is not given to cronies!!!

Part chi sor wai...!!!

bslee
20-06-2010, 12:53 PM
If the former Perak government can hold its assembly under a tree, I don't see why the present ruling parliamentarians make a big fuss about building a new building that is only being used a couple of times in a year.

No way this set of ruling lawmakers are going to sit outside anywhere for that matter. Dream on.
Ousted Perak government surely did that for a number of obvious reasons.
Ask any of those..see if they'd come over in a Proton Saga or wira (save cost mah! I mean those on the majority side) I don't think they'd even consider a simple thing like that.

AllUrban
21-06-2010, 12:20 PM
If the former Perak government can hold its assembly under a tree, I don't see why the present ruling parliamentarians make a big fuss about building a new building that is only being used a couple of times in a year.
Hold it under a tree as this saves the rakyat millions in building a new one and then having to maintain it again. Its cheaper to grow a few trees if one is not enough!!!! This way we can boast to the world that we are the greenest parliamentarians on this planet. Even cheaper to maintain it, provided the contract is not given to cronies!!!

Part chi sor wai...!!!hahhaha an interesting point - and a reminder that the building is only a physical place and a symbol of parliament. The parliament itself (the people, the discussion & debate and the resulting laws) is far more important than the actual building.

Is there a tree that you have in mind?

Cheers, m

tupai
21-06-2010, 12:26 PM
typical malaysian.

Lets give priority to 'form over substance'.

Yang Berkorupt latotupai :eek:

AllUrban
21-06-2010, 12:38 PM
with such inconveniences do you think that is really a pulling factor for convention participants? especially for those who can afford to stay at hilton or meridien, i would bet they rather take taxi from KL direct to PICC. In that case isn't it better ppl choose KLCC then?Which is why Im all for placing Parliament at PICC.

It's not a good convention centre, it won't be a great parliament - but the advantages of the move more than make up for the cost of the change.

Cheers, m

xaviers
21-06-2010, 12:45 PM
If they do move it..the old parliament house how?

Some fella must be instigating the move so that they can develop the old parliament into a billion dollar property development. That area is a gold mine, with kenny hills nearby. with Seri Carcosa also kena sapu.

I think the move has deeper implications.

latukkong
21-06-2010, 12:58 PM
maybe go ghost ..need to buang sui !

AllUrban
21-06-2010, 01:23 PM
If they do move it..the old parliament house how?

Some fella must be instigating the move so that they can develop the old parliament into a billion dollar property development. That area is a gold mine, with kenny hills nearby. with Seri Carcosa also kena sapu.

I think the move has deeper implications.If they develop it that would be a true horror.

But I would personally like to see the Muzium Negara and National Museums Department moved to the Parliament building.

You would have room for all of the museum offices and the storage of a massive collection of artifacts - and the old Dewan Rakyat & Dewan Negara chambers could house a specific collection on Malaysian government, parliament & democracy.

Plus there would be room on the hill to expand and build more museums - perhaps the National Library and National Art Gallery could be shifted there when the existing ones outgrow their spaces.

The old site of Museum Negara could become another museum or a community hall.

Cheers, m