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Sentinel
02-06-2010, 05:07 PM
Just in the middle of May, my wife and I drove down to KL to attend a niece's wedding and the tea ceremony. Just two weeks later today, we received 3 registered letters from PDRM Cawangan Terafik for speeding on the highway, tidak boleh dikompaunkan! Thats RM900 man! :mad:

Its beginning to show, the fund-raising has started. So guys, watch it on the N-S Highway, they are serious when they say the country going bust in 2019....

rakyat
02-06-2010, 05:10 PM
Wah very expensive wedding ang-pow :p 3 saman on 1 round trip!!

How fast did you go?

Sentinel
02-06-2010, 05:47 PM
Wah very expensive wedding ang-pow :p 3 saman on 1 round trip!!

How fast did you go?
They don't even warn you or have road blocks anymore... they just send you the summons.

All three summons were around 125 - 130 kmph. Wife was driving.

vsat
02-06-2010, 06:03 PM
That's great ..criticize the government but never criticize the wife for driving over the speed limit..... man, what rationale does this guy possess.

StonTemplePilot
02-06-2010, 06:35 PM
I see fireworks and bananas...

Anyway, the best way to avoid these gifts to the govt is to stick to the speed limit of 110km.

AllUrban
02-06-2010, 06:41 PM
They don't even warn you or have road blocks anymore... they just send you the summons.

All three summons were around 125 - 130 kmph. Wife was driving.are they using fixed cameras & rader or vehicle-mounted cameras & rader?

I suppose you can ask to see the photos and pull a Lingam (looks like my car, drives like my wife, but clearly not us).

Cheers, m

ps. better pay because from what I've heard, there will be no more discounts.

LMei
02-06-2010, 07:19 PM
The new tool must be really effective.

http://thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2010/2/9/nation/5641497&sec=nation

mick123
02-06-2010, 07:49 PM
i do travel up and down N-S H/W from Penang to JB quite often. there will surely be road blocks or non-road block speed trap either direction nowadays. i think pdrm is too free since the crime rate has dropped.

i was stopped at road block many a times but managed to talk myself out of signing that "piece of paper" most of the time :D......

tupai
02-06-2010, 08:03 PM
i saw a-both-side block some 6days ago, SO, yes, they still do have roadblocks Maybe they will issue summons on the spot or maybe they wanna listen to your denial of speeding the last 10km!:D

Note that nowadays pdrm are smarter than u tink! they usu 'shot' you some 10-50km back :eek:

So it is not really useful when the speedsters crawled along nicely for miles on the left lane after been flashed by the opposite on-comings.
Too late! Too late! Too late!

Cops said "speeding bodoh" to me when i was last candid camera'd at 125kph, in my Junk-O'4wheels. :o Learnt me lessons very well indeed!

U still wanna do it? Then DO IT really well and DO it on 2wheels :D
Remember the story i narrated about a lone cop under d bridge who gave a buncha us a mid-fin salute? maybe he aint got the time to adjust the cam? :D

Leceh only...now my chilli padi red ferrari kenot speed any more! :mad: Hey! waita minit! I gotta a Fellali, i can afford the rm300 lah! :D
But Didnt see any hardworking cops today for 480km BKHitam-Home. Oh! its only wednesday! :p

Had a nice long lunch chat with a couple of glock-slinging plainclothes but thats in a junction of nowhere in LOS :p

Yang Berlaju jalan kaki latotupai :cool:

Sentinel
02-06-2010, 08:35 PM
i do travel up and down N-S H/W from Penang to JB quite often. there will surely be road blocks or non-road block speed trap either direction nowadays. i think pdrm is too free since the crime rate has dropped.

i was stopped at road block many a times but managed to talk myself out of signing that "piece of paper" most of the time :D......
Normally I get stopped at the roadblocks and issued the summons but this time it was served via registered letter with no compounding, thats the difference. And three summons at three different spots between KL and Penang, now thats helluva lot.

CS Chua
02-06-2010, 08:41 PM
Can a person be summoned 3 times for the same offense? After all, it is the same journey. Does not seem fair to me. Perhaps a legal eagle can give some opinion.

On the way home today, I saw a number of speed traps and one of them, in the opposite direction, was pointing to the back of the cars, instead of the usual frontal picture.

Questions.

1. If it is the back of the car, there is no picture of the driver. So, how?
2. Is it accurate since the car is now pulling away for the radar, instead of coming towards the radar gun.

patrick
02-06-2010, 11:06 PM
Can a person be summoned 3 times for the same offense? After all, it is the same journey. Does not seem fair to me. Perhaps a legal eagle can give some opinion.

On the way home today, I saw a number of speed traps and one of them, in the opposite direction, was pointing to the back of the cars, instead of the usual frontal picture.

Questions.

1. If it is the back of the car, there is no picture of the driver. So, how?
2. Is it accurate since the car is now pulling away for the radar, instead of coming towards the radar gun.

If you ask me, I dont think it's for the same offence. If you punch someone in the face, hence assault, at 10am. Then you assault him again at 1pm. You think the judge will accept your plea as the same offence ? Bruder, you would taken to charged on 2 counts of assault !

patrick
02-06-2010, 11:08 PM
Normally I get stopped at the roadblocks and issued the summons but this time it was served via registered letter with no compounding, thats the difference. And three summons at three different spots between KL and Penang, now thats helluva lot.

Whilst I do sympathize with Sentinel as it's a lot of money by any standard, but I think it is time the police come down hard on such offences. Malaysian roads have become extremely dangerous and speeding IS one of the offences. I hope they nab those speeding express coaches. They are the worst and the most dangerous !!

kwchang
03-06-2010, 12:11 AM
That's great ..criticize the government but never criticize the wife for driving over the speed limit..... man, what rationale does this guy possess.
Getting personal .... free banana picking for sometime, OK?

kwchang
03-06-2010, 12:26 AM
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1. If it is the back of the car, there is no picture of the driver. So, how?
2. Is it accurate since the car is now pulling away for the radar, instead of coming towards the radar gun....
Once my wife got a letter about her speeding. I went to the Balai and requested to see the picture. It was another car - the picture was extremely sharp and the number plate was very clear it wasn't my wife's car.

And by the way, it was shot from the back. No need to worry who drove, the registered owner is responsible.

Whatever technology it uses to detect speed, it does not matter if the speeding object is coming at you or going away ... just apply physics. Have you heard about the doppler effect? It works both ways - that is how they measure the distance of the stars and the speed the stars are moving away from us (and so the Universe is expanding)

Sentinel
03-06-2010, 12:30 AM
Same here Chang. My wife lost her few month old Altis some years back. Way after the insurance was settled and all that, she received a letter saying she was speeding along the Fed Highway. She went to the station and ask for the photograph proof and supported by her lost-car report, they showed her the photo of the speeding car, it was her registration plate alright but it wasn't an Altis but a Camry... don't think the polis did any follow-up either... :rolleyes:

kwchang
03-06-2010, 12:42 AM
Well, on that day, the Police apologised because I took time off to find that some police clerk made an error and summoned my wife based on writing the wrong number ... let's say the number plate in the photo was "WAX 1234", the clerk noted it as "WAX 1324" which was my wife's car number (not true number, just for illustration). and by the way, the speeding car was a Wira while my wife drove a Toyota :) ... case closed

Sometimes, you meet up with very nice people in the Balai. They were so sheepish that it was their mistake.

As for the fact that it was a stolen car, and a different make as well, what do you expect them to do? Just cancel the summons because it was not the right car and the owner had already been relieved of the vehicle, so how to book the driver?

USJ27Resident
03-06-2010, 02:30 AM
... the fact that it was a stolen car, and a different make as well, what do you expect them to do? Just cancel the summons because it was not the right car and the owner had already been relieved of the vehicle, so how to book the driver?

had the same thing happen to us... Avanza got swiped in Taipan - month later - got summons from cops... had to go all the way to Jln Bandar Trafik... and they NFA the ticket...

... my take on the whole darn exercise/time lost trying to park in or around the Polis Station: (you're) GUILTY until (you've) proven (you are) innocent....

currymee
03-06-2010, 07:30 AM
SAme incident here, wifey car was said to be speeding in Sitiawan and that car has never left Sleangor (town-driving only) since its "birth" - went to the balai, ask to see pix, and it was a 1-tonne lorry, HAHAHAHAHA ... :D :D

Moral: Go check and see pix .... lots of FAKE PLATE Users around .... and sad to say, the POLICE DOES NOT VERIFY for you to be issuing summons, the ONUS is for you to do so ....

birdy
03-06-2010, 09:52 AM
Actually, how do we know that they did not wrongly SAMAN us? Could it be faulty of their speed detector or an insect or bird (daytime) is flying over? I was told that we can get the photo but have to travel to that balai police to pay RM10 and get it.

currymee
03-06-2010, 10:00 AM
Actually, how do we know that they did not wrongly SAMAN us? Could it be faulty of their speed detector or an insect or bird (daytime) is flying over? I was told that we can get the photo but have to travel to that balai police to pay RM10 and get it.

Hahaha ... Birdy, must be sneaky lah :D - act blur sotong, tell police, "Itu saman kereta Wira kah? Dulu, ada polis buat silap, kata kereta bini lori 1-tan, then polis will sure verify FOC .... ;) ;) ;) "

azman0123
03-06-2010, 10:08 AM
i was stopped at road block many a times but managed to talk myself out of signing that "piece of paper" most of the time :D......

Hello Mick123, please, tell us how you do that.

(I'm not a cop!)

AllUrban
03-06-2010, 10:36 AM
Hello Mick123, please, tell us how you do that.

(I'm not a cop!)yeah...so long as it is just talking, Im ok with that.

If it involved the transfer of anything beyond cheerful comments, that's definitely a problem.

With traffic offences you are considered "guilty" until proven "innocent" - because the offence & punishment is not so significant or damaging to society.

Many drivers speed (say, driving at 120 instead of 105) because they think that it is victimless (and of course it benefits them by getting to their destination about 10 minutes faster, while using 20% more fuel).

Some drivers repeatedly speed, even after getting 2 summons in the same day because they think they are not causing a problem :rolleyes:

Personally, that's ok with me - Id rather see a person speeding at 140 in the right lane, than see those maniac drivers passing on the left lane or left shoulder - way more dangerous.

A bit of info for you:

1) PDRM is going to a zero tolerance policy - they've already started

2) Summonses will be reduced from the standard RM300 - provided that you pay immediately - this will happen in the next few months

3) The summons value will increase if you do not pay - and it will go beyond the RM300 - going beyond RM300 depends on whether the Road Transport Act amendments (to be retabled in Parliament in June) will be approved or not

4) The PDRM & JPJ are very serious about making vehicle reg #s the property of the Director General, JPJ - to reduce the number of false plates on the road. Expect this to happen this year or next year.

5) Ive suggested to those involved that they should define "red zones" and "red flag" activities that will absolutely not be tolerated - things like:

*passing on the left;
*using the emergency lane;
*parking/waiting on street corners of major roads;
*parking/waiting on the roadside of an expressway/limited access highway;
*parking/waiting in bus layby and taxi layby lanes;
*blocking bomba access to shopping centres and hospitals

Safe driving

Cheers, m

kwchang
03-06-2010, 12:07 PM
Actually, how do we know that they did not wrongly SAMAN us? Could it be faulty of their speed detector or an insect or bird (daytime) is flying over? I was told that we can get the photo but have to travel to that balai police to pay RM10 and get it.

I believe the speed tickets have a photo of the speeding car. If you are sure they got the wrong car, just ask to see the photo. The RM10 will only be charged if the vehicle in the photo is your car. So if you are innocent, there is no RM10 charge. If it is yr car, sorry la, you got to pay.

The photo will also include the speed readings of the speed camera. In the case I related, the car involved was "flying" past the speed trap at 160 Km/hr ! all other data are also on the photo including date and time. You can request a photocopy of the pic if you want :) . Anyway, if you dispute the readings, then I guess you have to challenge it in court. Otherwise, save yr time and pay up

tupai
03-06-2010, 12:40 PM
yeah......

Personally, that's ok with me - Id rather see a person speeding at 140 in the right lane, than see those maniac drivers passing on the left lane or left shoulder - way more dangerous.

A bit of info for you:...
5) Ive suggested to those involved that they should define "red zones" and "red flag" activities that will absolutely not be tolerated - things like:

*passing on the left;
* road hogging on the fast/overtaking lane
*using the emergency lane;
*parking/waiting on street corners of major roads;
*parking/waiting on the roadside of an expressway/limited access highway;
*parking/waiting in bus layby and taxi layby lanes;
*blocking bomba access to shopping centres and hospitals

Safe driving

Cheers, m

AU, methink they really have forgotten to fine those NSHiway road hoggers doing 110kph (prob on cruise control) on the fast/overtaking lane...U need to apply pressure at the right spot for this fine to be implemented, on the technically legal but potentially dangerous driving.

Talking of which, I had a really pleasant experience yesterday from BKT - Sg Buloh km 440mark...All the NSHiway users stick to the correct lane. 95% overtook the slower cars and then moved back to the left lane, so that the faster moving vehicles can zip by :p ...

Maybe they saw my bright twin lights and moved left/didnt come out to the overtaking lane...and to the red hyundai sports Coupe, which moved to the left, and the 2 sunglassed SYT who waved & thumbed up at me :) I returned the surprise pleasantries :cool:

What a nice riding experience barring the excessive 40degree heat! The SYT didnt help either :p

BTW guys, the roads (esp NSHway) in malaysia is NOT dangerous (with exception of some poorly or zero maintained ones and other poorly constructed, wrongly apexed, off-cambered etc), it is the ignoramus, unskilled drivers who caused the 6,500+ roadkills (majority on trunk/fed/state roads) every year...

The speed itself is NOT dangerous...else, we wont be having the same racing drivers and riders year in, year out...PLUS autobarn would have a speed limit lah.

Its bolehlanders' bad attitude, poor driving skill set (probably kopi-o or guaranti-pass-punya lesen), katak dibawahtempourung perspective that caused xcden on d road.

Yang Berlipat korner laju diMaeHonSong latotupai :p

patrick
03-06-2010, 01:24 PM
yeah...so long as it is just talking, Im ok with that.

If it involved the transfer of anything beyond cheerful comments, that's definitely a problem.

With traffic offences you are considered "guilty" until proven "innocent" - because the offence & punishment is not so significant or damaging to society.

Many drivers speed (say, driving at 120 instead of 105) because they think that it is victimless (and of course it benefits them by getting to their destination about 10 minutes faster, while using 20% more fuel).

Some drivers repeatedly speed, even after getting 2 summons in the same day because they think they are not causing a problem :rolleyes:

Personally, that's ok with me - Id rather see a person speeding at 140 in the right lane, than see those maniac drivers passing on the left lane or left shoulder - way more dangerous.

A bit of info for you:

1) PDRM is going to a zero tolerance policy - they've already started

2) Summonses will be reduced from the standard RM300 - provided that you pay immediately - this will happen in the next few months

3) The summons value will increase if you do not pay - and it will go beyond the RM300 - going beyond RM300 depends on whether the Road Transport Act amendments (to be retabled in Parliament in June) will be approved or not

4) The PDRM & JPJ are very serious about making vehicle reg #s the property of the Director General, JPJ - to reduce the number of false plates on the road. Expect this to happen this year or next year.

5) Ive suggested to those involved that they should define "red zones" and "red flag" activities that will absolutely not be tolerated - things like:

*passing on the left;
*using the emergency lane;
*parking/waiting on street corners of major roads;
*parking/waiting on the roadside of an expressway/limited access highway;
*parking/waiting in bus layby and taxi layby lanes;
*blocking bomba access to shopping centres and hospitals

Safe driving

Cheers, m

How about those that beat or ignore traffic light? They should be hung dry!!

bslee
03-06-2010, 02:03 PM
There was once a phenomenon called "saman ekor"... is it still illegal? (or tutup mata and the victim just have to face the wrap?)

I dunno lah.. this land and its roads have so much of inadequacies or shortcomings due to design or implementation that motorists risk being penalized for its shortcomings. 3lane to 2 lane to 1 lane with road block and you can be samaned for cutting cue..???? :eek:

AllUrban
03-06-2010, 03:05 PM
How about those that beat or ignore traffic light? They should be hung dry!!that is a tough one - so many people make it a habit to beat the traffic light because of the length of the red time. Thanks to the 4-phase traffic signals we have, it in less likely that there will be a crash in the middle of the intersection since there is rarely a situation where turning traffic faces oncoming traffic.

Sitting in the yellow box is obviously deserving of a summons as well - but sometimes it is not 'intentional' and is hard to prove.

Cheers, m

Sentinel
03-06-2010, 03:10 PM
Sitting in the yellow box is obviously deserving of a summons as well - but sometimes it is not 'intentional' and is hard to prove.If you get yourself stuck in a yellow box, you should be summoned on the spot! What do you mean hard to prove? Its all about driving with anticipation, if you make an error in judgment, then SAMAN! Because you are gonna cause the whole lane opposite to jam up!

AllUrban
03-06-2010, 03:28 PM
If you get yourself stuck in a yellow box, you should be summoned on the spot! What do you mean hard to prove? Its all about driving with anticipation, if you make an error in judgment, then SAMAN! Because you are gonna cause the whole lane opposite to jam up!my point is that it is not exactly a 'red flag' offense -

I was telling the IGP and Director of JPJ & Chief Secretary to the Government that they need to look at the 'red flag' offenses first - the ones that have the potential to cause serious harm, injury or death for motorists and pedestrians.

Sitting in the Yellow box during a traffic jam is just not as much of a 'red flag' offense as compared to tailgating or passing on the left or using the emergency lane to pass - which is becoming more and more common.

Cheers, m

birdy
03-06-2010, 04:06 PM
I believe the speed tickets have a photo of the speeding car. If you are sure they got the wrong car, just ask to see the photo. The RM10 will only be charged if the vehicle in the photo is your car. So if you are innocent, there is no RM10 charge. If it is yr car, sorry la, you got to pay.

The photo will also include the speed readings of the speed camera. In the case I related, the car involved was "flying" past the speed trap at 160 Km/hr ! all other data are also on the photo including date and time. You can request a photocopy of the pic if you want :) . Anyway, if you dispute the readings, then I guess you have to challenge it in court. Otherwise, save yr time and pay up
But was told that in order to get the photo, you have to go to the destrict police station to get it. I thought with the internet world now, everything can be online? I once received a SAMAN for illegal parking in Alor Setar, which I am pretty sure I didn't go. Unfortunately, I was told that to proof yourself innocent, you have to go to Alor Setar to print the photo - if that were you, would you travel all the way to Alor Setar to print that photo and save the SAMAN but incurred hefty travelling cost? In the end, I paid 50% of the SAMAN after appealing. :mad:

bslee
03-06-2010, 04:36 PM
I guess its typically "supposed to make life difficult for U" in order that Malaysian motorists learn their lessons. Trouble is...people don't learn. Go count how many times you've been samaned.. doesn't matter what offence..you still broke some traffic law from their view.
1. Time, effort, distance AT YOUR EXPENSE to settle the issue
2. You've to PAY for their proof of your offence... like paying for bullet before you're shot!
3. Its cheaper and less hassle to compound the saman, regardless you're in the right or wrong. Just happens the law doesn't work to your benefit. Contesting your innocence is likely more costly than the compound.
4. PDRM seems to act as prosecutor, judge and jury if you haggle the saman with them. You PAY some amount in the end..which means in their view, you're still as guilty as hell and they're right in saman you.

Thats Malaysia 4U!...

Hiliary
03-06-2010, 04:44 PM
I wonder how often the speed trap instruments are calibrated?
Should be daily at the start of each shift?
Can anyone ask for a copy of the calibration certificate?
Where is the tounge in cheek smiley?

bslee
03-06-2010, 04:48 PM
I wonder how often the speed trap instruments are calibrated?
Should be daily at the start of each shift?
Can anyone ask for a copy of the calibration certificate?
Where is the tounge in cheek smiley?

Tara standard wan!... you're caught? you'll be busy and nerve wrecking yourself to settle the issue..not hunting around for calibration certificates...trust me!

I suppose NO-ONE have taken effort to question their integrity on this... who want to start investigating?... who got time and expense? I bet they'd tell you this is all under OSA!...tutup kes!..

currymee
03-06-2010, 04:59 PM
If the PDRM is like all the other Govt agency, then its equipment will have to be calibrated annually by SIRIM QAS.

Sentinel
03-06-2010, 05:56 PM
my point is that it is not exactly a 'red flag' offense -

I was telling the IGP and Director of JPJ & Chief Secretary to the Government that they need to look at the 'red flag' offenses first - the ones that have the potential to cause serious harm, injury or death for motorists and pedestrians.

Sitting in the Yellow box during a traffic jam is just not as much of a 'red flag' offense as compared to tailgating or passing on the left or using the emergency lane to pass - which is becoming more and more common.

Cheers, m
You obviously didn't know the traffic situations in KL before the yellow boxes were introduced years back!

USJ27Resident
03-06-2010, 06:49 PM
I wonder how often the speed trap instruments are calibrated?


speaking of which - does ANYONE here use GPS in their vehicles... ???

I have been using a Garmin for a while now and NOTICED this... (both) my vehicle(s) would register 120km/h+ one the road while I keep the GPS readings at 110km/h....

Now which is which??? Would like to believe that the GPS is more accurate as it is based to triangulation points OR the speedometer, is based on the rotation of the tyres to a cable...

Now imagine if the GPS ain't accurate enough... there'd be lots of planes falling out of the skies...

Sentinel
03-06-2010, 06:57 PM
My radar detector says 110kmh, my speedometer shows 110kmh and the police got me at 125kmh... :confused:

But I can't tell him "Hey Encik, saya punya Radar Detector kata baru 110kmh sajalah..." coz that will be another RM300 right? :D

bslee
03-06-2010, 07:06 PM
speaking of which - does ANYONE here use GPS in their vehicles... ???

I have been using a Garmin for a while now and NOTICED this... (both) my vehicle(s) would register 120km/h+ one the road while I keep the GPS readings at 110km/h....


I have to say that the Garmin is almost spot on and in syncrony with my car speedo (which also mean my speedo is accurate alright)..but it'll record your average speed (if not mistaken) on a given journey. It won't tell you what speed on any particular stretch of road or run.

Having said that, you go contest the saman, you end up paying a sum (perhaps more than your compound) for legal fees unless you cleverly represent yourself at court. Can you settle a contest within ONE court session?..I don't think so. More returns to court may mean more legal tussle and fees.

Sentinel, NO way you're going to contest on the basis of a speed detector data. You know its banned and an offence to use it.. Yup!..they thought of it all!... ban the thingy and put you in a rut and wrong anyhow!

Sentinel
03-06-2010, 08:06 PM
Sentinel, NO way you're going to contest on the basis of a speed detector data. You know its banned and an offence to use it.. Yup!..they thought of it all!... ban the thingy and put you in a rut and wrong anyhow!
Encik, saman tak apa, jangan marah yah, tapi boleh tolong tunjuk sama saya Seksyen berapa dalam Akta yang mana yang mengatakan Alat Pengesan Kelajuan samaada berasaskan microwave atau laser tidak boleh digunakan kah?

bslee
04-06-2010, 10:12 AM
Encik, saman tak apa, jangan marah yah, tapi boleh tolong tunjuk sama saya Seksyen berapa dalam Akta yang mana yang mengatakan Alat Pengesan Kelajuan samaada berasaskan microwave atau laser tidak boleh digunakan kah?

The burgers are likely to tell you, sign on the saman first, then the onus is on you to prove your case in court. I think it'll be just that.. they just wash hands.

SingaporeEhSai!
04-06-2010, 10:36 AM
i am so scrwd......i whacked up and down jb-kl around 150-200km/hr over Wesak weekend.... :eek:

gtl
04-06-2010, 02:48 PM
I have to say that the Garmin is almost spot on and in syncrony with my car speedo.



mine, match to my garmin gps.

VeeJay
04-06-2010, 03:30 PM
My GPS is always 5 km/h lesser than spedo, and I was told thats the norm. Tried googling and many had said the same as well.

Ditto
04-06-2010, 05:05 PM
But was told that in order to get the photo, you have to go to the destrict police station to get it. I thought with the internet world now, everything can be online? I once received a SAMAN for illegal parking in Alor Setar, which I am pretty sure I didn't go. Unfortunately, I was told that to proof yourself innocent, you have to go to Alor Setar to print the photo - if that were you, would you travel all the way to Alor Setar to print that photo and save the SAMAN but incurred hefty travelling cost? In the end, I paid 50% of the SAMAN after appealing. :mad:

That's right u have to go to the police station of that district. I received a speeding samen stating my car was overspeeding in Slim River. Knowing clearly that I had not even been to that place brfore, I asked for the photo in the Traffic HQ in KL. The officers there told me to go to Slim River station to get the photo :confused: However, I managed to get the phone number of that station from one of the helpful officers.

I called the Slim River station & talked to the office in charge in telling him of my cetainty of not being there at that time & asked for a counter check on the offence. Luckily, he agreed on that & called ma back in two hours time telling me that they got it wrong. It was a MPV & not a saloon car.

bslee
04-06-2010, 05:10 PM
Luckily, he agreed on that & called ma back in two hours time telling me that they got it wrong. It was a MPV & not a saloon car.

I'm assuming many offenders don't contest or bother to check the validity of the offence, moreover just recalling that they were probably speeding in that location.
Say if the saman reaches you by post and the offence was donkey years ago, some may remember, some not.
Now you've also claimed that may lead to evidence of errornous summons on the part of PDRM. But having to say again, THE ONUS IS ON YOU TO PROVE YOUR INNOCENCE. They slam the summons on you, you make the effort to go through the hassle, convenient or not, its at your expense...THATS HOW THE LAW SEEMS TO WORK in this land for as long as anyone can remember. Perhaps I could accuse the authorities that ITS INTENDED THIS WAY as a punitive and KENA YOU!

BTW, I think the law should be amended that if PDRM don't summon you on an offence up to a certain period say within 2 months, then its null and void.
How can they post to you a saman for an offence after 9 years?.. I kena that last year! It was for obstruction of traffic offence...HOW TO PROVE MY INNOCENCE?.. I don't think they took any pictures then to prove my offence.
Its likely just based on the view of a traffic officer. His word against mine in court?

fRaNkY
04-06-2010, 09:25 PM
The burgers are likely to tell you, sign on the saman first, then the onus is on you to prove your case in court. I think it'll be just that.. they just wash hands.

Would they beat u up? Point a gun at you? or arrest you... if you dont sign the saman? :confused:

Sentinel
04-06-2010, 10:18 PM
Would they beat u up? Point a gun at you? or arrest you... if you dont sign the saman? :confused:
Your signature on the summon does not make it more legal or otherwise, the signature is not an admission of guilt or innocence, its an acknowledgement of receipt of the notice of summon issued. They can send it later to you by registered post. So, why risk being in "danger" on the spot, the guy is the one with the Smith & Wesson 0.38 revolver, not you, so why take that kind of risk? Just take it and go to court if you wish or just ask for compound discount lor... The key is to quickly go settle the summon during the "compounding period".

pucman
05-06-2010, 01:13 AM
I think the fine is too lenient. Those who continue speeding at above 120 kph should have their license suspended.

Not only do they endanger their own lives but also of other innocent car drivers if they are involved in an accident, there is no way they can survive at that speed.


PS. I never go beyond 100 kph in my whole life.

joey180
05-06-2010, 08:04 AM
4) The PDRM & JPJ are very serious about making vehicle reg #s the property of the Director General, JPJ - to reduce the number of false plates on the road. Expect this to happen this year or next year.

How does making vehicle reg #s the property of the Director General, JPJ reduces the number of false plates on the road? :confused:

bslee
05-06-2010, 09:02 AM
PS. I never go beyond 100 kph in my whole life.

Are you always thinking that high speed is the main cause for some accident? Certainly not!. Recklessness, Foolishness, Incompetency, Intoxication can all be root causes and not neccessarily at high speed. Like one case where a car rammed into people sitting outside the restaurant (well..this is another unfortunate issue)

AllUrban
05-06-2010, 09:25 AM
You obviously didn't know the traffic situations in KL before the yellow boxes were introduced years back! obviously - because Im just some foreign guy who makes comments without doing research :p

You obviously weren't at the meeting, so you did not hear the people stating that their priority is attitude & road safety - not dealing with congestion.

People still sit in the yellow boxes because they think they can get more than halfway through before the light changes...or sometimes because the traffic cops wave them through.....so what we have is just more paint on the roads.

You really want to stop that congestion in intersections? Then you have to change the 'me first' attitude of the drivers in a serious way instead of bit by bit. That means clear 'red flags' and 'red-zones' and education.

For example, how do you change the attitude of a driver who gets two summons for something (say, speeding, or blocking the yellow box) in the same day and does the same thing a 3rd time?

Oh, btw just so everyone knows, the MPSJ summons lock has been expanded to SS15 & SS16 and you may be seeing it in PJ and KL by the end of the year.

Cheers, m

AllUrban
05-06-2010, 09:30 AM
How does making vehicle reg #s the property of the Director General, JPJ reduces the number of false plates on the road? :confused:firstly because the plates would be made by the government rather than put together by the shops/companies

Second, the plates would be metal or composite, rather than the current situation of plastic numbers glued on to plastic plates

Third, because knowing the Malaysian government's penchant for IT and expensive technology, the plates will probably have a barcode to scan, or a RFID tag chip inside. :D

If they get the approval to change the registration plates to 'government-issued' they will probably do it all as part of the project to get the JPJ & police computer systems to "talk" to each other - that will be an 'interesting' project.



Cheers, m

Sentinel
05-06-2010, 10:53 AM
Are you always thinking that high speed is the main cause for some accident? Certainly not!. Recklessness, Foolishness, Incompetency, Intoxication can all be root causes and not neccessarily at high speed. Like one case where a car rammed into people sitting outside the restaurant (well..this is another unfortunate issue)Of course BSLee, people always point their fingers at fast drivers as the cause of accidents. They never thought that those doing less than 100kmph and going on the wrong lane are the worse killers and these peoplem licences should be suspended!

I do the NS Highway Penang-KL route every now and then and I can see so many of these "killers" on the road. They think its OK to speak on the mobile or do Text Messaging because they are just on auto-cruise at sub-100... :eek: they are more worried at being caught by the police than killing themself or their families and other roadusers.... this is another category of people I termed as "stupidly stupid".

Sentinel
05-06-2010, 10:56 AM
obviously - because Im just some foreign guy who makes comments without doing research :p

You obviously weren't at the meeting, so you did not hear the people stating that their priority is attitude & road safety - not dealing with congestion.

People still sit in the yellow boxes because they think they can get more than halfway through before the light changes...or sometimes because the traffic cops wave them through.....so what we have is just more paint on the roads.

You really want to stop that congestion in intersections? Then you have to change the 'me first' attitude of the drivers in a serious way instead of bit by bit. That means clear 'red flags' and 'red-zones' and education.

For example, how do you change the attitude of a driver who gets two summons for something (say, speeding, or blocking the yellow box) in the same day and does the same thing a 3rd time?

Oh, btw just so everyone knows, the MPSJ summons lock has been expanded to SS15 & SS16 and you may be seeing it in PJ and KL by the end of the year.

Cheers, m
If the yellow boxes were not in place to resolve the congestions from blocked traffic flow, what are the yellow boxes for? They can't be for decorating the road intersections because these intersections look boring and bland, right?

The only way to change the drivers' attitude would be to issue the summons on-the-spot as soon as they are caught in these yellow boxes. Hit them where it hurts - then pockets - and lets see if their attitude will change or they remain stubbornly stubborn??

There is no excuse - its all about defensive driving and its all about anticipation. The minute you approach an intersection and see a congestion in front, don't go into the yellow box first, slow down. If there is space for your car, then move forward, otherwise stop even if the light is green. Thats the rules and all drivers should follow these rules.

What safety? The driver at the back will slam into your tailend? Well, if the driver at the back is also into defensive and anticipative driving, he would also do like you, slow and caution (AWAS!) approaching an intersection with a yellow box, observe the traffic in front of you, no space for you across the other side, just stop. So it goes on, the driver behind the driver behind the driver...

joey180
05-06-2010, 01:54 PM
firstly because the plates would be made by the government rather than put together by the shops/companies

Second, the plates would be metal or composite, rather than the current situation of plastic numbers glued on to plastic plates

Third, because knowing the Malaysian government's penchant for IT and expensive technology, the plates will probably have a barcode to scan, or a RFID tag chip inside. :D

If they get the approval to change the registration plates to 'government-issued' they will probably do it all as part of the project to get the JPJ & police computer systems to "talk" to each other - that will be an 'interesting' project.

Cheers, m
Gomen will hv to make the plates theft-proof as well :D The gomen can come up with expensive ideas which the common folks hv to pay for, but the criminals will find ways to hack the system.

tupai
05-06-2010, 02:14 PM
I think the fine is too lenient. Those who continue speeding at above 120 kph should have their license suspended.

Not only do they endanger their own lives but also of other innocent car drivers if they are involved in an accident, there is no way they can survive at that speed.

PS. I never go beyond 100 kph in my whole life.

HAHAHAHAHA! slow tortoise in the fast, outline overtaking lane Just git outta my way! Lest i blurblur fast fast whacked into u and a few families at 1big bang, bang kaboom! :D :D

Fair warning given to self-righteous roadhoggers from a sun-baked, rain-drenched FASTER & serious road user :p

The road to heaven is a 1way street :cool:
The road to permanent paralysis, lost of limbs, state of being a veggie is also a 1way street:eek:


Yang Berkilat motoGP & rocket latotupai :cool:

p/s I respek the rights of any individual to meekly quietly & safely slow-mo rock-chairing his/her way to the neat 6feet under or those who correctly stay in the slower NShiway lane at <110kph....i also respect those who wanna live a life of dangerous fastest lanes, and practice the dying art of brinkmanship, or go meet his/her Maker in a blaze of fiery glory at HIS chosen time. InsyaAllah. Que sera sera. :cool:

pucman
05-06-2010, 10:40 PM
Are you always thinking that high speed is the main cause for some accident? Certainly not!. Recklessness, Foolishness, Incompetency, Intoxication can all be root causes and not neccessarily at high speed. Like one case where a car rammed into people sitting outside the restaurant (well..this is another unfortunate issue)

A lot of accidents are caused by speeding, that's why there are speed limits.

Other causes are due to changing lanes without signal or looking at incoming cars from behind. Of course, pedestrian jay walking and expect the car to stop in time for them is another common cause.

It is faster to emergency brake a car if the car was travelling at 60kph rather than 200kph and the car won't go turtle too.

I am sure that speeding is the cause of this accident too when the toyota vios turned turtle.

http://www.mmail.com.my/content/38686-victim-could-have-been-rescued

Sentinel
06-06-2010, 01:56 AM
I am sure that speeding is the cause of this accident too when the toyota vios turned turtle.
Were you there to make such a sweeping conclusive statement?

tupai
06-06-2010, 11:07 AM
Were you there to make such a sweeping conclusive statement?

i am positively sure that such damning sweeping verdict can only come from 1with limited exposure and experience to the bigger picture of the motoring world. :cool:
~ Limited knowledge is dangerous. Equally, 1eyed blur view is damning ~ Mighty Nobokannizer :cool:

When 1has the opportunity, to deal with relevant authorities/bodies in area of motorsport, 1gets to be enlightened with many issues. Interesting amgst all, is DEATH by accident. :D

Death is usually a direct consequence of an action.
Ditto the meaning of Cause & Effect.

Majority of the BolehlandRoadkills are the direct result of an attitude. Bad attitude precisely.

Bad & Ignorant Attitude (Cause) = Effects like
- reckless speeding by untrained blur sotong f1wannabes
- zero roadiquette by ignoramus & hard to teach ol' roadhogs (probably carry lesen terbang!)
- poor QC on road construction/repairs
etcetc...i wont disclose anymore. OSA lah :p But diamdiam Pay me and I shalt tell ye the grand mother traffic accident horror of all horrors. :cool:

Just know this: Speed alone does not kill. Idiotic blur sotong driving stance kills!

Yang Berlaju giler latotupai :p

p/s if speed kills, this post must hav been penned by Yang Berhantu latotupai :p

Sentinel
06-06-2010, 01:16 PM
Bad & Ignorant Attitude (Cause) = Effects like
- reckless speeding by untrained blur sotong f1wannabes
Poor knowledge of the vehicle itself kills.. Look at those cheap modifications especially those who convert their Wira into Wiralution ala Evolution cars with cheap loud mufflers and funny spoilers etc... even have air scoops on the bonnets? Those are actions I deem as "stupidly stupid".

If one wants to soup up a car, always base on the basic principle i.e. "bottoms up" ie not to drink up but build the car from the bottom i.e. make sure the rubbers (tyres) and brakes and absorbers / dampers can take the extra horsepower and torque one wants to add on to the car.

Imagine a Wiralution with its engine changed to a VR4 engine and the brakes and absorbers can't take the extra speed etc or the 3/4 botak rubbers can't grip the road properly...

This is the No. 1 killer on the road especially inn smaller towns if you ask me. If you happen to know traffic cops they will also tell you there are at least 3-4 Wiralutions that crash every night on our MRR2, NKVE, LDP etc at 2.30 am in the morning, why? Like Yang Berpengalaman Lato Tupai said, "ATTITUDE PROBLEM" - these people think they are Michael Schumacher!

AllUrban
07-06-2010, 10:29 AM
This is the No. 1 killer on the road especially inn smaller towns if you ask me. If you happen to know traffic cops they will also tell you there are at least 3-4 Wiralutions that crash every night on our MRR2, NKVE, LDP etc at 2.30 am in the morning, why? Like Yang Berpengalaman Lato Tupai said, "ATTITUDE PROBLEM" - these people think they are Michael Schumacher!good drivers know their tyres intimately - bad/ignorant drivers will skimp on the tires or ignore them, not knowing that the rubber on that small contact patch (as wide as the average hand) on 4 tyres is all that is keeping them on the road.....

the winding road design doesnt help either...like our Subang Jaya racetrack, for example - race up Kewajipan, drift spin left onto Kemajuan, race past the two traffic lights, rush through the hairpin, make a right turn at Jengka, left turn at NPE and you are back on Kewajipan...... :eek: :cool:

Cheers, m

DarkNite
07-06-2010, 10:38 AM
On the way back to Penang on the NS Highway, there were several accident after Ipoh.
Even though, the involved vehicles were already on the shoulder, there were still the bumper-to bumper crawl, due to 'bad attitude' kay pos slowing down to
1. watch for numbers,
2. assessing the damage,
3. ..etc?

Speeding, if it is the cause of accident than how come there are ALSO accidents on bumper to bumper crawl?
I would agree on Bad, Inconsiderate & Ignorant Attitude is THE cause of most Bolehland accident.

gtl
07-06-2010, 10:43 AM
Poor knowledge of the vehicle itself kills.. Look at those cheap modifications especially those who convert their Wira into Wiralution ala Evolution cars with cheap loud mufflers and funny spoilers etc... even have air scoops on the bonnets? Those are actions I deem as "stupidly stupid".

If one wants to soup up a car, always base on the basic principle i.e. "bottoms up" ie not to drink up but build the car from the bottom i.e. make sure the rubbers (tyres) and brakes and absorbers / dampers can take the extra horsepower and torque one wants to add on to the car.

Imagine a Wiralution with its engine changed to a VR4 engine and the brakes and absorbers can't take the extra speed etc or the 3/4 botak rubbers can't grip the road properly...

This is the No. 1 killer on the road especially inn smaller towns if you ask me. If you happen to know traffic cops they will also tell you there are at least 3-4 Wiralutions that crash every night on our MRR2, NKVE, LDP etc at 2.30 am in the morning, why? Like Yang Berpengalaman Lato Tupai said, "ATTITUDE PROBLEM" - these people think they are Michael Schumacher!


also to add, tyre service centers selling 2nd hand tyres - these also add to the road kill count.

SingaporeEhSai!
07-06-2010, 10:47 AM
also to add, tyre service centers selling 2nd hand tyres - these also add to the road kill count.

Q: why should a rubber producing country have a brisk business selling 2nd hand tires?
A : because the blardy taxes are making the new ones more expensive than a resourceless country like Spore. :mad:

mecksel
07-06-2010, 12:19 PM
so when will the no more discount take effect, :) immediately or ar'nt they supposedly to table it first...??? :mad:

burntan
08-06-2010, 10:31 AM
Just having holiday at Cameron Highland last weekend, traveling at NS highway around 110~140kmph both way, risking my own family and other road users life, especially when the return trip is raining. I am so sorry for what I have done and now I am so scare of getting saman by mail. :(

gtl
08-06-2010, 10:34 AM
Q: why should a rubber producing country have a brisk business selling 2nd hand tires?
A : because the blardy taxes are making the new ones more expensive than a resourceless country like Spore. :mad:

you r right, high end tyres are cheaper in singapore.

Sentinel
08-06-2010, 02:07 PM
you r right, high end tyres are cheaper in singapore.Even the superbike tyres from Michelin, Bridgestones Battlax, Avon, Metzelers, etc are much cheaper. I change my bike tyres in Singapore all the time.

Enjoy the ride up and down, save a thousand ringgit for 2 tyres, and get to drink Kluang Station coffee and roti bakar on the way... :D