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currymee
26-05-2010, 03:44 PM
I was doing my laundry just now and was about to add in the softener and a thought crossed my mind - Is softener really necessary for washing in Malaysia? since the water is the "soft" type compared to say UK - hard type.

My wash is still spinning, so I will find out in 30 minutes time, just wondering .... :confused: :confused: When I thought about it, it is just a habit that I carry over from my student days in UK - I don't recall my grandparents using softener ..... or am I also a sucker in the marketing/advertising into using things that are UNNECESSARY ? :o

Rhiga
26-05-2010, 03:47 PM
If you are drying the clothes by the heat of sunlight, you may not need softener.

Softener is a must if you used tumbler dryer.

umadavid
26-05-2010, 04:14 PM
I am one of those who could never figure out when the softener goes in nor where to pour it in. Please tell me how you use it. I have had a bottle sitting around unused.

rakyat
26-05-2010, 04:19 PM
I thot the conditioner lessen the wrinkle on the cloths and make for easier ironing and oso floral smelling :p Anyway stop using since little one came, toddlers are allergy to softeners

bslee
26-05-2010, 04:32 PM
I thot the conditioner lessen the wrinkle on the cloths and make for easier ironing and oso floral smelling :p Anyway stop using since little one came, toddlers are allergy to softeners

From my POV, softerners can make clothing or towels softer and comfortable to use...thats it. In the good old days..few decades ago...mana ada such thing as softener?... you pakai the clean clothes as is... or mom will scream at you and you go wash yourself if unsatisfied. There's just as many people who won't spend any money on softeners and as happy as they are. Clothes just get dirty by the day and end up being washed every day till cannot be used. Its up to you. If you all think its neccessary, by all means use it.

currymee
26-05-2010, 04:36 PM
Washing done and clothes are hung to dry, cannot tell the difference between using softener or none at all - guess that answers my question :D :D - must admit that I am using Top detergent, so that one got powerful FLORAL smell to hide my manly musky smell hahahahaa .... :rolleyes:

Point I was thinking about is that softener were used in countries where water is HARD and is promoted to soften the clothing washed but in Msia, if the water is already "lembik" - soft, so, like what BS said, making it smell nicer and added softness .... than guess, it is done to personal preferences rather than necessity as in "hard water" countries .... hehehe ... $$$$ SAVED liow !!!! :D :D

bslee
26-05-2010, 05:21 PM
I believe the hardness of water varies from location to location or state by state. The water here at Selangor is abit on the hard side...that I feel and know.
Wash 2 cotton towels,(COTTON!) one with and without softner and one can feel the difference when in use.
As for smell, rotten smells can be retained from dirty old fungi infested washing machines and other dirty clothes washed together. Best to sort them out and wash separately for best results.
Wah!...now we talk about how to wash clothes ah!.... HAHAHAHAHA!...
I could think discussions like these are very rare.. what next?,... how to wash delicate sexy lingerie or how to polish shoes? :D :D

currymee
26-05-2010, 05:36 PM
I believe the hardness of water varies from location to location or state by state. The water here at Selangor is abit on the hard side...that I feel and know.
Wash 2 cotton towels,(COTTON!) one with and without softner and one can feel the difference when in use.
As for smell, rotten smells can be retained from dirty old fungi infested washing machines and other dirty clothes washed together. Best to sort them out and wash separately for best results.
Wah!...now we talk about how to wash clothes ah!.... HAHAHAHAHA!...
I could think discussions like these are very rare.. what next?,... how to wash delicate sexy lingerie or how to polish shoes? :D :D

BS, you will be surprised at how often people actually messed up or not doing correctly the "mundane" things like washing, laundry and even polish shoes - give you an example: my son who is washing his own school shoes ask me for step-by-step instructions:

1) Soak in water
2) Apply soap - in our case, rub with cake of detergent - those 60cents BLUE ones.
3) Brush till spotless :p (well, that's impossible :rolleyes: but as clean as possible)
4) Rinse till clean
5) NOW the tricky part - got me stumped also :confused: - DRY first and then apply white chalk or apply white chalk when wet and then let it dry ??? - me, being the lazy bugger, apply white chalk and then dry it in the sun BUT son said the school textbook said "menjemur dahulu kemudian mengapur" hah !!!! :p

My solution: In REALITY, do like daddy - in school exam, DO like school textbook !!! :p :D :D

currymee
26-05-2010, 05:42 PM
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As for smell, rotten smells can be retained from dirty old fungi infested washing machines and other dirty clothes washed together. Best to sort them out and wash separately for best results.


Speaking of old fungi in washing machine - any idea how they get there? How to remove them permanently (if possible)?

To date, this is what I do:

1) After a few weeks or so, I put on the SOAK mode, with generous amount of CLOROX and DETERGENT and run the whole cycle .... after finishing, man, I am picking off bla*dy flakes of them :mad: :mad:

2) A relative said I got the problem coz my washing machine is outside, i.e. exposed to the sun's rays, so fungus can grow in the drums, suggest I bring it indoors (unfortunately, house was not designed for such, maybe next time !!)

3) Then another one suggest, I cover when not use with THICK BLACK CLOTH - to cut out the sun's rays - have not tried that yet.

So, any experience in this ? ;)

I think I will start a new thread on this one !! :)

bslee
26-05-2010, 06:00 PM
My son (when he was at 1st year course at local U on Mechanical engineering) drove up one fine day. "Dad?.. can change car lube ah? (meaning he meekly requested me to do for him).
I went to my filing cabinet, took out the Kancil user manual. I gave it to him and saying. Please sit down at the sofa, take 20 mins of your precious time to read the manual. After reading, you'll know how to do it. Its so easy that you don't need a degree to change the oil. I also said, you don't seem to have sexy legs nor a nice looking body, so better keep reading on how to change a punctured tyre too as NO-ONE ain't going to stop by on the road side to help you, just in case. :rolleyes:

currymee
26-05-2010, 10:23 PM
My son (when he was at 1st year course at local U on Mechanical engineering) drove up one fine day. "Dad?.. can change car lube ah? (meaning he meekly requested me to do for him).
I went to my filing cabinet, took out the Kancil user manual. I gave it to him and saying. Please sit down at the sofa, take 20 mins of your precious time to read the manual. After reading, you'll know how to do it. Its so easy that you don't need a degree to change the oil. I also said, you don't seem to have sexy legs nor a nice looking body, so better keep reading on how to change a punctured tyre too as NO-ONE ain't going to stop by on the road side to help you, just in case. :rolleyes:

Hmmm .... I guess I understand the moral of the story ;) except the manual for the washing machine comes with a warning not to take them apart but sent it back to Panasonic service centre - and surprisingly there is no mention of fungi problem ....

bslee
26-05-2010, 11:57 PM
Japanese made or designed top loaders are easier to access dismantling some or all of the ancilliaries for some service. Its not so easy with EU designed type front loaders and they're much heavier as it have a huge dynamic balance stone weight inside. Front loaders seem more complicated in its architecture.
For Japanese ones, access through the back and bottom is possible and you've to tip it over to get at the bottom. Thats all I can reveal.
I had a National (before it was marketed as Panasonic) machine and I had DIY replace some parts. Unfortunately, not long after the electronics went kaput and beyond economical repair..had to junk it.

jan tomaswaki
27-05-2010, 07:55 AM
I was doing my laundry just now and was about to add in the softener and a thought crossed my mind - Is softener really necessary for washing in Malaysia? since the water is the "soft" type compared to say UK - hard type. :o

During your mummy and daddy time they use starch and blue dye,remember :D Softener is to give you the smell and easy ironing.

Naka
27-05-2010, 08:01 AM
During your mummy and daddy time they use starch and blue dye,remember :D Softener is to give you the smell and easy ironing.

Hahahaaa, i remember the starch and blue dye in the good old days.
:D :D


But what are they for--4got liao? :confused: :confused:

jan tomaswaki
27-05-2010, 08:12 AM
Hahahaaa, i remember the starch and blue dye in the good old days.
:D :D But what are they for--4got liao? :confused: :confused:

Same function as softtener,starch is for easy ironing to get the sharp edges and the blue dye is for blue/whiter shirt... :D

Naka
27-05-2010, 08:27 AM
Same function as softtener,starch is for easy ironing to get the sharp edges and the blue dye is for blue/whiter shirt... :D

Ah, so true.TQ. :D

currymee
27-05-2010, 10:01 AM
Hehehe ... I have just done 2 loads of laundry WITHOUT softener and without telling wifey, let's see if she can tell the difference or complains when she does the ironing .... :D :D :D

currymee- CARI MATI hubby !!! :rolleyes:

LMei
27-05-2010, 10:56 AM
Well I definitely can tell the difference straight away. The feel of the material is really not as soft and feels rough.

umadavid
27-05-2010, 12:00 PM
Why ah, no one answer me yet when to throw in the softener in a fully automated w/machine? I am with currymee, I just use fuzzy setting for my washing cos very blur one :o

LMei
27-05-2010, 12:05 PM
Why ah, no one answer me yet when to throw in the softener in a fully automated w/machine? I am with currymee, I just use fuzzy setting for my washing cos very blur one :o
If fully automated just throw in during the beginning before you start your wash. But you have to pour into the compartment that is for softener only. Else it'll get washed along with your detergent. The symbol normally looks something like a flower.

Rhiga
27-05-2010, 12:06 PM
Why ah, no one answer me yet when to throw in the softener in a fully automated w/machine? I am with currymee, I just use fuzzy setting for my washing cos very blur one :o

I put the detergent and softener at the same time, into the respective compartment and then switch on the washing machine.

I re-iterate you should use softener if you are drying the clothes with tumbler dryer.

This is stated in the dryer manual. I once forgot to put the softlan, and was shocked to hear (not see) spark-like sound in the Electrolux tumbler dryer.

currymee
27-05-2010, 12:06 PM
Why ah, no one answer me yet when to throw in the softener in a fully automated w/machine? I am with currymee, I just use fuzzy setting for my washing cos very blur one :o

Go check the other thread on FUNGI in washing machine - :D already answered there !! It is supposed to be chucked in on the LAST RINSE CYCLE ..... good luck in timing it !!! :p :D

LMei
27-05-2010, 12:07 PM
5) NOW the tricky part - got me stumped also :confused: - DRY first and then apply white chalk or apply white chalk when wet and then let it dry ??? - me, being the lazy bugger, apply white chalk and then dry it in the sun BUT son said the school textbook said "menjemur dahulu kemudian mengapur" hah !!!! :p

My solution: In REALITY, do like daddy - in school exam, DO like school textbook !!! :p :D :D
Dry first la. In later life, some lazy kids just apply without washing. :p

umadavid
27-05-2010, 12:11 PM
Go check the other thread on FUNGI in washing machine - :D already answered there !! It is supposed to be chucked in on the LAST RINSE CYCLE ..... good luck in timing it !!! :p :D
Thanks, Sagamihara & currymee. Don't know if mine has separate compartments :confused: Only noticed the detergent and bleach compartments...will check it out. :) Haiyah...where got time to hang around waiting for the rinse cycle...surely will have more misses than hits :p

umadavid
27-05-2010, 12:13 PM
If fully automated just throw in during the beginning before you start your wash. But you have to pour into the compartment that is for softener only. Else it'll get washed along with your detergent. The symbol normally looks something like a flower.
Thanks, LMei...will look for it :)

bslee
27-05-2010, 12:14 PM
Don't know if mine has separate compartments :confused:

Read instruction manuals that come with it, irrelevant or not, its given for a general purpose and its often we do learn more than meet the eye.

umadavid
27-05-2010, 12:17 PM
Read instruction manuals that come with it, irrelevant or not, its given for a general purpose and its often we do learn more than meet the eye.
Don't we all know it BUT most often than not never do it :D Hmmm, now where is my manual :confused: Believe me, some of them manuals leave me more confused.

bslee
27-05-2010, 12:24 PM
Don't we all know it BUT most often than not never do it :D Hmmm, now where is my manual :confused: Believe me, some of them manuals leave me more confused.

Myself being somewhat into technical things, I always make it a point to file up operating manuals and other documentation (bill, warranty card, etc) that comes with any acquired appliance or tool. I have a filing cabinet for all this. Of course I'd throw it away when the appliance is end of life or discarded. For 2nd backup, I try to search for an electronic copy in pdf (from manufacturer website) and store it in different folders in my computer. Believe me...these documentation do come in handy when I need it most...like especially power tools that may be complex. Service manuals (or nearest models to give a fair idea or common data)can be found where available.

jan tomaswaki
27-05-2010, 01:51 PM
Wonder anyone realise that the softener will make your rubber suspender "longkar" faster.

bslee
27-05-2010, 02:31 PM
Wonder anyone realise that the softener will make your rubber suspender "longkar" faster.

No I don't and for reasons best known to myself.

currymee
27-05-2010, 05:26 PM
Wonder anyone realise that the softener will make your rubber suspender "longkar" faster.

Is it ? :eek: Thanks, now the catch -22, loose but comfy or tight and firm ..... :rolleyes:

umadavid
11-08-2011, 07:59 PM
Wonder anyone realise that the softener will make your rubber suspender "longkar" faster.


Okay, Jan. I'm with you on this one. I just noticed that some of the panties have become longar and expanded in size and has become unwearable. :mad: I think the liquid detergent is the culprit since I did not use the softener. :confused:

USJ27Resident
13-08-2011, 03:16 AM
Wonder anyone realise that the softener will make your rubber suspender "longkar" faster.

errr... is your washing machine "washing" with hot water???? Me think its the hot water that is making your undies elastics (rubber) "longgar".... Hot water tends to do that to rubber... :)

rakyat
15-08-2011, 08:55 AM
errr... is your washing machine "washing" with hot water???? Me think its the hot water that is making your undies elastics (rubber) "longgar".... Hot water tends to do that to rubber... :)

I think it is the washing machine per say. It is the spinning motion; there is a netting bag sold that prevent this from happening.

Just put your undies into the bag and dump into the washing maching as usual. No more longgar undies :D

jan tomaswaki
15-08-2011, 10:40 AM
errr... is your washing machine "washing" with hot water???? Me think its the hot water that is making your undies elastics (rubber) "longgar".... Hot water tends to do that to rubber... :)

maybe we do experiment,just put softener and undies over a few days and see......i also want to know. :D

cskok8
15-08-2011, 01:20 PM
Does this discussion qualify as "Airing dirty laundry in public"? :D