Gated Communities

[Chia Hak Soon]

Gated communities have become the norm of every housing schemes in the Klang Valley. Some put up crude boom barriers and cement filled used oil drums at every side lane. It was not long ago that foriegners always wonder why we put up grills on our doors and windows of our houses. Now , they would say that our housing schemes resemble the Green Zone in Baghdad, Iraq.

Recently our Housing minister said that it must require a 100 percent consent from residents before the scheme can be gated. We pay taxes so that they can work but instead of coming up with a better solution , he is telling us that we cannot take care of our security. Over to you councillor and our mp and adun.

[bslee]

I think it was highlighted in the papers recently that residents are in a catch22 situation, the law, the authorities and wanting to safeguard their own well being. Susah lah!.. I think laws have to seriously revamped for a win win situation. It have to be a massive campaign, continous involvement and tight cooperation of the gahmen, police, DB and resident communities, otherwise the issue may fizzle to a natural death. Times change, circumstances change, Malaysian rakyat have to fight on to pursue the issues. Just can't say PDRM ain't doing enough or change the IGP may turn the tide.

[cml]

If there are objections i dont think that the majority of the residents can barricade the entry and exit points. When these housing estates were developed, things were much more peaceful and there was actually some semblance of law and order. Nowadays with all the cops in their air conditined cars going around only when something has happened, the incidences of burglary and robbery have gone up to the stage whereby the rakyat have to take the law into their own hands and safeguard their own assets and properties and these so called protectors of our society have no shame and instead advise us to take care of our own security. What do we pay their salaries for i wonder?

[zinglicious]

Cops take orders from the the Home Ministry. SO if the home ministry thinks the home would be safer from candles lighting hazzards, they put the cops to catch those with candles lighting activities. If the home ministry think the ronda ronda is waste of time and petrol, then it is time we show him who is really the boss by a change in our votes.
In every country of democracy, it is thought that the freedom of roaming around in our homes freely should be the objectives of Home Minister. But in Malaysia , we are living in freedoomed swith oil drums barricades like Chia said - Iraq war zone. :mad: :eek: :mad:

[cml]

In time to come we will be living like the higher incomed people in philipines and indonesia. There they live behind 20 foot high walls with armed guards patrolling the perimeter of the enclave. For those who are more rich they have their own guards looking after their security. That is what happens when a small minority grabs all the wealth and leave the scraps for the masses. I dont think that they can sleep very well knowing anytime they can get mugged by those deperate enough. When enough people are poor enough their little guns would be of no use. There the rich ride around with blackened pajeros with armed guards. Imagine living a life like that. At the rate that we are going i think all the putras who have enriched themselves would have to live like that.

[jimmyay]

Bad news!! My neighbour house was broke in (Kota Kemuning) at 8pm when they are out for dinner...very daring. After staying for almost 10 years...finally it is here.

Then we started to talk to community member on whether to engage guard. But we have low density, around 80 houses only.... If monthly costing more than RM100 per house, it's going to be tough. The last time, we pay RM300 for fences and it also take a lot of effort to persuade and beg for it to happened.
By the way, how much is it in USJ area?

[Mat Bruce]

Cops take orders from the the Home Ministry. SO if the home ministry thinks the home would be safer from candles lighting hazzards, they put the cops to catch those with candles lighting activities. If the home ministry think the ronda ronda is waste of time and petrol, then it is time we show him who is really the boss by a change in our votes.
In every country of democracy, it is thought that the freedom of roaming around in our homes freely should be the objectives of Home Minister. But in Malaysia , we are living in freedoomed swith oil drums barricades like Chia said - Iraq war zone. :mad: :eek: :mad:

Home ministry? The worst in history of Malaysia. First he does not admit that there is a problem.So yes, user pays and G&G is the way to go. This just leave those that are poorer have less quality of life. The rich will not feel it. If you are poor, better speak up, it is cheaper. Anyway, their salary comes from your taxes.So keep quiet at your own peril.

[CS Chua]

Bad news!! My neighbour house was broke in (Kota Kemuning) at 8pm when they are out for dinner...very daring. After staying for almost 10 years...finally it is here.

Then we started to talk to community member on whether to engage guard. But we have low density, around 80 houses only.... If monthly costing more than RM100 per house, it's going to be tough. The last time, we pay RM300 for fences and it also take a lot of effort to persuade and beg for it to happened.
By the way, how much is it in USJ area?
Sorry to hear that. Which section is it? I live in Aranda and we pay RM50.00 each month. I do not think it prevents burglary completely but it certainly seems to stop snatch thieves and petty crimes like stealing shoes. Quite often I can leave my door open and my shoes outside overnight. I could not do that when I was staying in SS14.

[jimmyay]

Sorry to hear that. Which section is it? I live in Aranda and we pay RM50.00 each month. I do not think it prevents burglary completely but it certainly seems to stop snatch thieves and petty crimes like stealing shoes. Quite often I can leave my door open and my shoes outside overnight. I could not do that when I was staying in SS14.

I am at Oncidium 31/73 area. Might as well use our income tax to pay for the guard since the PDRM is not doing a good job.

[robertec]

There is a G&G Community Section, I will move this thread there soon.

[Mat Bruce]

I am at Oncidium 31/73 area. Might as well use our income tax to pay for the guard since the PDRM is not doing a good job.

They want your money but not give you services. This is like a royalty payment. We all know that they can do better, but denial is a good tactic in Malaysia, buat bodoh is a good lazy way out.
But we need to constantly remind them. Like a ping-pong game. They hit over the net, you need to hit it back, otherwise you lose. I am doing this because I know that there are many poorer honest Malaysians around and they certainly don't deserve these incompetency. We need to constantly push them. If we don't, I think one day, we will need to pay for our own army as well,we will go backwards as a society.
Even Pos Malaysia, Immigration have improved their services, why not PDRM?


btw, Is this the semi-d in Oncidium? I thought this is gated as well?

[Mat Bruce]

There is a G&G Community Section, I will move this thread there soon.

This is exciting,Please let us finish our posting first, we will advise you soon..

[zinglicious]

I think this issue of GnG is not just about that - it is about the frustations of rakyat who have to pay for something which shoudl be taken care of by the Home Ministry, to ensure home sweet home and the freedom of walking around with fear of being robbed right in front of thier homeyard.
The wage earners in particularly have to put with toll here and toll there expenses to travel within the Klang Valley and also have to pay toll right where thier homes are?
I understand if certain people would like to stay in stipulated GnG as in apartments for lower income earners or some exclusive country homes for those who wants complete securities to scan unwelcome guests like door to door salesmen or unwanted girlfriends haunting them.
But with protem committee trying to make certain homeyards with securities measures with catch 22?
Really ,it is all about the denials and inaction of Home Ministry to safe guard Malaysian roads and homes. For a start, they should have put less trafic cops to stop traffic and leave them to RIMV, and go round the clocks and blocks with the aircond patrol cars or bikes. I happened to pass by Metro Kepong with patrols cars going ronda and ronda until they aint no chance for the petty theft or robberies to occur. Even Mat Rempits or Ah Bengs and Semi Wannabes are making dissappearance act there.

[SCCheah]

Did you know there was a robbery at the so-called well-fortified USJ11?

According to the 11Trees @USJ,a robbery took place on Thursday, 25 March 2010 afternoon at USJ 11/3P. It involves several robbers in a Toyota Avanza. The victim reportedly lost about RM7,000 worth of valuables.

Now the 11 Trees @ USJ committe want to tighten the security checks at the entrances into their area. "It will get more stringent going forward. Cars without valid stickers will be subjected to greater scutiny to prevent such incidences from happening again." it said.

I do not mean to sound cynical but I feel their method of scrutinizing visitors is fraught with loopholes. How are they going to check each and every car? Peep into the boot and passenger seats for parangs, pistols and what not? Maybe arm themselves with metal detectors for hidden bombs like in KL Hilton?

The security fencing is so porous that anyone can cut the locks, climb over the fencing etc and even give a "right hand" wave to pass through the guard post. All these child-like measures to boost security will only give a false sense of security as I have mentioned many times before.

As cs chua rightly pointed out, the FnG may at best deter small time criminals but not the hardened, violent robbers out to rape, kill and take the big ticket items. So why go checking cars etc? Sounds very childish to me. Real robbers can even point a shot gun at the faces of the puny guards, tie them up and whack them.

And, as cml also rightly pointed out, previously neighbourhoods have some semblance of law and order.

I think we have been too nice to our cops. Building big police stations at USJ8 for their comfort. What we should do is make more noise and demand protection from the PDRM who are now getting better benefits.

We want to see more police presence- foot ronda etc as recently reported in the newspapers.

All these barricading, FnG etc are useless as seen from the recent robbery at the famed USJ bastion- USJ11. What a joke!

[kwgoh]

Did the victim of this house paid the fees? If he is one of the few who did not pay, then you know what lah !! (and be careful for those who didn't pay).

[kwchang]

Did the victim of this house paid the fees?...
Please do not suggest that organisers of gated communities resort to fear tactics to further their agenda. You could be brought to court for defamation and slander. As I have always reminded other members in this Forum, do not make unsubstantiated allegations. Say it with proof, this is not your regular coffee shop :mad:

[driftingrover]

Please do not suggest that organisers of gated communities resort to fear tactics to further their agenda. You could be brought to court for defamation and slander. As I have always reminded other members in this Forum, do not make unsubstantiated allegations. Say it with proof, this is not your regular coffee shop :mad:


pray tell, what exactly is the meaning of tagging the house if that is not what it mean?

u mean to say i hv to contribute to GnG before i m a resident in my own house? u mean to say that i hv to contribute to GnG to pass by the guard to go home?
all were talking how GnG unite neighbours but this is dividing the communities.
if the GnG is doing it with noble intention, it shall be through presuassion n not through intimation.

[nona]

so kwchang what is your opinion on FnG? :confused:

Because I strongly feel that you are using your position as administrator to admonish those whom are against it. If otherwise tell me if I am wrong.

During RA USJ4 Casablanca's meeting last Sunday which was formed for the sole reason of getting their agenda to put FnG as simple as that without any sincerity ( :eek: a rare quality this days of course) for uniting the neingbours, theprotem committee chairman mentioned some thing about issuing stickers and those without it (non payers and non residents) will be allowed access with a security guard following behind their car... :mad:

What you call that??? VIP treatment!!! Oh come on give me a break!!

I remember someone was recording the meeting. If the person is reading this posting please post the link up for everybody to see.

[SCCheah]

There is an interesting article in the Star Metro today.

It says that Damansara Jaya is the only one approved gated and guarded community among the 16 operated by the residents associations in Petaling Jaya.

Another 28 residents associations (RA) which are operating gated and guarded service in Petaling Jaya have not obtained approval from the Petaling Jaya City Council (MBPJ).

It went on to say that obstructuons like oil drums (in SS2) must be removed or the people involved can be jailed and fined!!


Read the rest of the news in: http://thestar.com.my/metro/story.asp?file=/2010/4/6/central/5997115&sec=central

[RolyPoly]

so kwchang what is your opinion on FnG? :confused:

Because I strongly feel that you are using your position as administrator to admonish those whom are against it. If otherwise tell me if I am wrong.

During RA USJ4 Casablanca's meeting last Sunday which was formed for the sole reason of getting their agenda to put FnG as simple as that without any sincerity ( :eek: a rare quality this days of course) for uniting the neingbours, theprotem committee chairman mentioned some thing about issuing stickers and those without it (non payers and non residents) will be allowed access with a security guard following behind their car... :mad:

What you call that??? VIP treatment!!! Oh come on give me a break!!

I remember someone was recording the meeting. If the person is reading this posting please post the link up for everybody to see.

I had a guard on a motorbike escorting me to the house that I was visiting in USJ18 as I cannot remember my friend's address, but I know where the house is. Instead of being angry with the guard, I was IMPRESSED!!! Isn't this the kind of guard you would like to engage? And if you are not a paying member of the community, Nona, I would suggest you quickly pay for such good security service!! I even told my friend that I would be glad to move over to USJ18 with such high level of security, I need not be fearful while walking on the street!!!

[RolyPoly]

I think we have been too nice to our cops. Building big police stations at USJ8 for their comfort. What we should do is make more noise and demand protection from the PDRM who are now getting better benefits.


SCCheah, why not you do the above to help improve the security in our township? Instead of spending so much time complaining about GnG, bring some improvement by putting your time and effort in engaging the police in our community to help us beat crime. That will be a more positive action. You will certainly get my support if you do that.

[jan tomaswaki]

I had a guard on a motorbike escorting me to the house that I was visiting in USJ18 as I cannot remember my friend's address, but I know where the house is. Instead of being angry with the guard, I was IMPRESSED!!! Isn't this the kind of guard you would like to engage? And if you are not a paying member of the community, Nona, I would suggest you quickly pay for such good security service!! I even told my friend that I would be glad to move over to USJ18 with such high level of security, I need not be fearful while walking on the street!!!
maybe the guard see you as a SYT or he has nothing else to do,being everytime in the guardpost (boring...)or maybe curi tulang.If 5 ppl comes to USJ18 at the same time to different lacation,do you think he will do it.....?

[aursong]

I had a guard on a motorbike escorting me to the house that I was visiting in USJ18 as I cannot remember my friend's address, but I know where the house is. Instead of being angry with the guard, I was IMPRESSED!!! Isn't this the kind of guard you would like to engage? And if you are not a paying member of the community, Nona, I would suggest you quickly pay for such good security service!! I even told my friend that I would be glad to move over to USJ18 with such high level of security, I need not be fearful while walking on the street!!!

Just a matter of preference... A security escorting when I merely visiting or passing through... bit too much for me...

I wouldn't want a F&G even if it is top notch... well-managed and well designed gated and guarded neighbourhood... even if it FOC...

just don't like the thought of living in a confined environment/housing area...

guard patrolling is fine... not escorting... prevent freedom of movement on public area/road...

Well said yourself... if you wish to live in such area... you may move to those top notch security F&G neighbourhood... but don't change the existing community to such neighbourhood when there are residents that against it... (nothing to say against those where 100% residents agree to build up F&G...)

As I say... is just a matter of preference...

[nona]

So Roly Poly what are you waiting for? Why did not move to USJ 18? At least even you are not a VIP but you can get a guard tailing you to and fro.....even though it is between the guard house to the house. I am not that mean....I can sort of like try to understand there are those whom want to feel all important with escorts (even though it is paid ones) :D

Be my guest dear move to USJ 18. I think that's what we the pro-group-for-maintaining-the-development-concept-as-what-it-was-sold-to-purchasers are saying all this while. Move to the areas of which the development concept suit your style.

If I need to visit you, then I will abide by all the rules I need to based on your area development concept...show my id and prove to guards that my ic photo was taken 20 years back with 20kgs lesser, let them check my car boot, my engine, scan me head to toe for weapons....whatever la...no problem I will abide. :cool:

[driftingrover]

rolypoly,

u r living in the wrong place, ppl like u should be living in a true GnG, not here, n try to impose your idea onto others.

in the first place why buy a house here knowing that this area is not a GUARDED n GATED COMMUNITY??

[driftingrover]

If I need to visit you, then I will abide by all the rules I need to based on your area development concept...show my id and prove to guards that my ic photo was taken 20 years back with 20kgs lesser, let them check my car boot, my engine, scan me head to toe for weapons....whatever la...no problem I will abide. :cool:

nona

park your car at the guard house, hv the guard escort u , visit rolypoly more often , then u will lose back those 20kgs

[RolyPoly]

rolypoly,

u r living in the wrong place, ppl like u should be living in a true GnG, not here, n try to impose your idea onto others.

in the first place why buy a house here knowing that this area is not a GUARDED n GATED COMMUNITY??

My dear driftingrover,

When I first moved to USJ in the early 1990s, security has never been such a great issue. We were the first batch that moved into USJ6 then. At that time, GnG was not a requirement. Hardly any break-in took place even though the houses are not fully occupied. But now....we hear about break-ins and even my house was broken in.

[jan tomaswaki]

I had a guard on a motorbike escorting me to the house that I was visiting in USJ18 as I cannot remember my friend's address, but I know where the house is. Instead of being angry with the guard, I was IMPRESSED!!! Isn't this the kind of guard you would like to engage? And if you are not a paying member of the community, Nona, I would suggest you quickly pay for such good security service!! I even told my friend that I would be glad to move over to USJ18 with such high level of security, I need not be fearful while walking on the street!!!
Maybe the guard want to know where your fren stay then survey the surrondings and movements.Later the internal break-in ....

[nona]

nona

park your car at the guard house, hv the guard escort u , visit rolypoly more often , then u will lose back those 20kgs


hehehehe.... :D true true...rolypoly wanna be friends or not. I promise I will never talk about FnG to you. Lets agree to disagree. ;)

[nona]

Maybe the guard want to know where your fren stay then survey the surrondings and movements.Later the internal break-in ....

too much thriller from you la....

"SAYA BUKAN AH LONG ...SAYA HANYA NAK TOLONG" :D xxxxx YOUR FRIENDLY NEIGHBOURHOOD GUARD.

How's the selling caption???

[driftingrover]

rolypoly,

u think u r the only one started living in USJ in the early 90s.
for your information, i moved in to my house the moment the keys were handed over, in 1991.

u hv heard that ppl house hv been broken into, for your information, my house was broken into n the whole house was ransacked. i hv been a victim but m i ****ting in my pants? i think not.
do i hv to scream n shout n tell the whole world that i hv been robbed ?

if the situation is really that bad, i would hv moved out to a real GnG.

[azman0123]

Hey guys.

I agree 100% with aursong, nona, driftingrover, jantomaswaki in the last few posts.

Tapi kesianlah sikit kat rolypoly. Nobody, but, nobody tolong dia. Five people (including me) lawan sorang. Memang kalahla. Heehee... :p

Anyway, escorting can be another way of seeing/observing if someone is living alone, of if there's anyone at home.

Also, the guard probably wasnt escorting. He's just doesnt trust you. It's like someone looking over your shoulder when you do something. Dont feel all aglow or anything....

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P/s: I really dont like what the admin has done to the threads. Don't know where to post.

Can an anti-GnG proponent go in to a For-GnG thread, and post anti-GnG musings and thought-provoking comments?

And can a For-Gng proponent come into an anti-GnG thread and say simplistic things?

It was better the way it was.

Pening, man.

[lord]

So finally, another 'fan', apart from KWChang, has come out of the closet to say something to the ones against F&G, after all the noises made against them. Hats off to Rolypoly, albeit her naive look at the whole situation. Atleast she's got more cajones than other 'rakyat'(pun definitely intended) who were all up in arms when they thought they had the support.

And yes, since the administrator/s have decided to consolidate the threads here and there for the convenience of the rest, I concur with azman123 to have the threads against and for consolidated accordingly so that references can be easily understood, now that the stand of many of us here is clear.

[VeeJay]

I thought all the GnG thread are listed here (http://www.usj.com.my/bulletin/upload/forumdisplay.php?f=122) or are there more missing? :confused:

[SCCheah]

SCCheah, why not you do the above to help improve the security in our township? Instead of spending so much time complaining about GnG, bring some improvement by putting your time and effort in engaging the police in our community to help us beat crime. That will be a more positive action. You will certainly get my support if you do



Engage the police? Haven't you read my earlier postings or are you shooting everyone with a machine gun?

I have said I lodged a police report nearly 2 months ago about the USJ2/Persiaran Tujuan oil drums and it was only recently that they were removed - but only after a three-car accident!So much about engaging the police.

You may not be born when I was commander of the Bangsar/NST area RT- waking up at midnight and patrolling the streets till dawn in the early 1970s. (were you still in a baby then?).

Why are you against people like me complaining? We do not want a FnG thrust down our throat all because you are wetting in your pants! How do you know I am not engaging with top politicians and important people?

I was at the USJ9 and USJ11 town hall meeting the other day. I took my daughter there soon after she had finished her tuition nearby. She had been studying throughout the day. She was so tired and sleepy but I went there. Were you there. I was there even though I am not a USJ9 and 11 resident.
What did I hear? Yes, Ravi and Hannah were giving a kind of report-card talk- good, I appreciate their efforts but what did that DAP MP say? Another BN bashing. More like a political ceramah to me. I had wanted to discuss with Hannah etc about the FnG issue but my daughter was almost asleep on my shoulder and I was forced to take her home at 10pm although the meeting was supposed to end at 10.30pm.

You sound very childish talking about guards escorting you and voila you feel great! We are talking about the legality of the matter. Wake up!



Read the Stsar Metro side story.

http://thestar.com.my/metro/story.asp?file=/2010/4/6/central/5996326&sec=central :mad:

[SCCheah]

My quotes are below rolyboly's quote but they got mashed up.

[kwgoh]

so kwchang what is your opinion on FnG? :confused:

Because I strongly feel that you are using your position as administrator to admonish those whom are against it. If otherwise tell me if I am wrong.

During RA USJ4 Casablanca's meeting last Sunday which was formed for the sole reason of getting their agenda to put FnG as simple as that without any sincerity ( :eek: a rare quality this days of course) for uniting the neingbours, theprotem committee chairman mentioned some thing about issuing stickers and those without it (non payers and non residents) will be allowed access with a security guard following behind their car... :mad:

What you call that??? VIP treatment!!! Oh come on give me a break!!

I remember someone was recording the meeting. If the person is reading this posting please post the link up for everybody to see.


Hi Nona,
Let say FnG in started in your area and you are non-payer, the RA only allocated one guard to follow behind the no-payers' car and 3 non-payers' car came back at the same time, the guard ask you to wait at the entrance and take turn to be followed, what will you do?

This happened to my sister staying in Puchong, the GnG was managed by the developer when she bought the house, reasonable fees to be paid and she was quite happy paying for the past 3-4 years, BUT just few months ago the developer not managing the GnG anymore and took over by the RA and they engage new security company AND THE FEES increase 100%, so my sister refuse to pay. You know how they trouble you? They make you to register at the guards house every time you go back to your home. They only issue cards for payers to open the auto-gate (like the one in the car park). Visitors and non-payer need to register at the guard house before entering the area.

So, either you pay or you moved out, right ??

[kwchang]

...you are using your position as administrator to admonish those whom are against it....

...I really dont like what the admin has done to the threads..Pening, man.
If I was against the comments on the GnG, I would have deleted all of them, banned all of you .... that is "using my position" ... think about that.

Did you flers realise that the past threads on GnG were becoming soapboxes for the anti-GnG people like yourselves .... there was a real mess in those threads because various issues on different areas were lumped into any thread that was a convenient place to attack the supporters of GnG. It was becoming not only a rojak thread (deviating from topic) but turning into hijacking of the topics. I cannot allow for this attitude of jumping into every thread and blasting away ... there are decorum that need to be followed. In the end, there was only one solution that I can use, give you guys a corner to yourself. Be my guest, shout in here

I am only administering. If I allowed the previous situation to continue, it would be turning into an argument and we cannot allow for arguments on the Forum, remember?

By the way, some of the conclusions that were formed in this thread (and elsewhere) are getting to be hilarious.

[SCCheah]

Hilarious? Soap box, one corner for us to shout...? This forum is supposed to be a two-way traffic. So does it mean those supporting FnG will have its own thread?


Remember


He who laughs best laughs last!

[SCCheah]

Hi Nona,
Let say FnG in started in your area and you are non-payer, the RA only allocated one guard to follow behind the no-payers' car and 3 non-payers' car came back at the same time, the guard ask you to wait at the entrance and take turn to be followed, what will you do?

This happened to my sister staying in Puchong, the GnG was managed by the developer when she bought the house, reasonable fees to be paid and she was quite happy paying for the past 3-4 years, BUT just few months ago the developer not managing the GnG anymore and took over by the RA and they engage new security company AND THE FEES increase 100%, so my sister refuse to pay. You know how they trouble you? They make you to register at the guards house every time you go back to your home. They only issue cards for payers to open the auto-gate (like the one in the car park). Visitors and non-payer need to register at the guard house before entering the area.

So, either you pay or you moved out, right ??


Thanks for sharing this gem with us.

This is another example of how residents are being subtly bullied, intimidated and made to suffer mental anguish! Fight them!

[SCCheah]

so kwchang what is your opinion on FnG? :confused:


During RA USJ4 Casablanca's meeting last Sunday which was formed for the sole reason of getting their agenda to put FnG as simple as that without any sincerity ( :eek: a rare quality this days of course) for uniting the neingbours, theprotem committee chairman mentioned some thing about issuing stickers and those without it (non payers and non residents) will be allowed access with a security guard following behind their car... :mad:

What you call that??? VIP treatment!!! Oh come on give me a break!!

I remember someone was recording the meeting. If the person is reading this posting please post the link up for everybody to see.

Wah! Non payers and non residents to be escorted or is it "followed". Stressful loh! Throw s@#t at them if they follow you!


How are they going to have so many guards each following a non resident or non payer?
How can that ensure that houses can't be robbed?

This reminds of an incident in Subang Parade years ago. There was a few minutes when lights were suddenly off and out jumped several female assistants of a retail lot each holding one another's hands (pak, pak lang) to try to prevent any shopper from inside the outlet from leaving - as if they will grab an item and rush off.

[nona]

Hi Nona,
Let say FnG in started in your area and you are non-payer, the RA only allocated one guard to follow behind the no-payers' car and 3 non-payers' car came back at the same time, the guard ask you to wait at the entrance and take turn to be followed, what will you do?

So, either you pay or you moved out, right ??

If I got time to waste and play with 'RA'. I will 'play' with them the same game. I am ok if the RA pay for my loss of having the neighbourhood concept that I had envisioned when I purchase the property. So if RA buy my property, and pay other damages in lieu of my peace of mind and inconvinience caused....then I move out la. Otherwise the one that wants it got to move out la.

Anyway the challenge in your sister's situation is that she was bought property in GnG concept. It is similar to apartments and condos. Generally when the developers maintains it will be cheaper as they have other projects to maintain as well. But when the JMB, MC or RA takes over they do not have such volume.

[nona]

If I was against the comments on the GnG, I would have deleted all of them, banned all of you .... that is "using my position" ... think about that.

Did you flers realise that the past threads on GnG were becoming soapboxes for the anti-GnG people like yourselves .... there was a real mess in those threads because various issues on different areas were lumped into any thread that was a convenient place to attack the supporters of GnG. It was becoming not only a rojak thread (deviating from topic) but turning into hijacking of the topics. I cannot allow for this attitude of jumping into every thread and blasting away ... there are decorum that need to be followed. In the end, there was only one solution that I can use, give you guys a corner to yourself. Be my guest, shout in here

I am only administering. If I allowed the previous situation to continue, it would be turning into an argument and we cannot allow for arguments on the Forum, remember?

By the way, some of the conclusions that were formed in this thread (and elsewhere) are getting to be hilarious.

Glad to hear out your opinion. It took several readings to decode though that you are 'pro GnG'. Nice to have it of the chest isn't it. So what we see hear systematic and strategic way and grouping the forumers whom are pro-retaining-the-development-concept-as-it-is-and-as-it-should-be in such away that the FnG and GnG will contunue to mushroom as the 'pro GnG' are in total denial of rejections and basis behind. Bravo! Bravo! <got any clapping icon ka>

Aren't we Malaysian use to that even at a grander scale at government level?

[nona]

ehmmm must be very gullible of me thinking administrator should had been far more impartial and ensure all voices heard from all sides....like the Dewan Speakers... ;) :D

yeah like the dewan speakers

[driftingrover]

what the admin did is playing politics

by splitting the pro n against into two, the "pro fraction "will see no evil ,hear no evil, do no evil.

admin is right is saying no argument , but then again won't it defeat the purpose of the forum if the pro n against cannot talk about the issue at hand??

let the arguments be, but do not let it go overboard, maintain the ethics of no name calling n such, isn't that what the forum is all about, sharing of views??

[driftingrover]

Hi Nona,
Let say FnG in started in your area and you are non-payer, the RA only allocated one guard to follow behind the no-payers' car and 3 non-payers' car came back at the same time, the guard ask you to wait at the entrance and take turn to be followed, what will you do?

This happened to my sister staying in Puchong, the GnG was managed by the developer when she bought the house, reasonable fees to be paid and she was quite happy paying for the past 3-4 years, BUT just few months ago the developer not managing the GnG anymore and took over by the RA and they engage new security company AND THE FEES increase 100%, so my sister refuse to pay. You know how they trouble you? They make you to register at the guards house every time you go back to your home. They only issue cards for payers to open the auto-gate (like the one in the car park). Visitors and non-payer need to register at the guard house before entering the area.

So, either you pay or you moved out, right ??

kwgoh,

yours is a totally different issue,
yours , u brought into a GnG whereas here we brought into an open community.
in your case , u r in the wrong, so it is better u move out.

[kwgoh]

kwgoh,

yours is a totally different issue,
yours , u brought into a GnG whereas here we brought into an open community.
in your case , u r in the wrong, so it is better u move out.


driftingrover,

My sister not happy is that they just increase the charges as they like, of course reasonable increase of charges are accepted (20-30%). The facilities were already well setup by the developer, RA just upgrade the from manual to auto-lever and a PC for registration.

What I want to point out is,

1.) If you are against GnG and as non-payer, RA or guard try to make your life difficult.

2.) If you are a payer and suddenly the RA said they change security company and there is a big increase amount to be paid.

what will you do???

[driftingrover]

driftingrover,

My sister not happy is that they just increase the charges as they like, of course reasonable increase of charges are accepted (20-30%). The facilities were already well setup by the developer, RA just upgrade the from manual to auto-lever and a PC for registration.

What I want to point out is,

1.) If you are against GnG and as non-payer, RA or guard try to make your life difficult.

2.) If you are a payer and suddenly the RA said they change security company and there is a big increase amount to be paid.

what will you do???

kwgoh

1. yes i m against GnG in this context (USJ), as i brought into USJ with the promise that this is an open community concept. so since here everywhere is public area, n if i hv a reason to go to that area, the RA or GUARD try to make my life difficult, i will make a police report n i will follow it through with a lawsuit. i know my rights as far as here is concern.
as of now, whenever a guard stop me, i will tell them THEY HV NO RIGHT TO STOP ME, THEY DO NOT NEED KNOW WHERE I M GOING, ALL THEY CAN DO IS TO NOTE DOWN MY CAR DETAILS N TIME I M GOING THROUGH, EITHER THEY LET ME THROUGH OR SHOW ME AN AUTHORIZATION LETTER FROM THE POLICE, they hv always let me through n i hv yet to make a police report . if i happen to pass the same guard again, i will shout at him if he do not immediately let me through.

2. if u hv brought yourself into a GnG community, the only recourse is to call a RA meeting regarding the increase, but if majority hv agree, there is nothing u can do , either u pay up or u move out. as your S&P will hv that clause inclusive. they hv the right to make your life difficult if that is the case.study your S&P n know the contract u hv signed(contracts law, property law)BUT NOT IN USJ

[SCCheah]

kwgoh,

If your sister's property is not a landed strata, then residents may not have to pay maintenance/security charges. Better check with the lawyer.

Developers of some developments build walls, guard house and put security guards to create a gated and guarded community, However, it is unclear whether such projects which are not landed strata can force residents to pay maintenance charges.

On another note, the Strata Titles Act have been abused by certain quarters. For example, many vacant developments such as the thousands of badly vandalised and vacant properties (shop offices and flats) in Bukit Sentosa, Bukit Beruntung etc are still subject to maintenance charges.

Owners of these forsaken properties are still billed their monthly maintenance charges, some to the tune of a few thousand ringgit in accrued charges although nothing has been done to spruce up the place.

[nona]

kwgoh...check this link

http://www.hba.org.my/laws/building/A663-2007%5B1%5D%20-BCPM.pdf

formally I lived in high rise and was part of the JMB which we are regulated by the above link. I use to remind my over zealous friends cum neighbours cum committee members that we can sue and can be sued. I am not sure if the real GnG is governed under this act or not. If they are, they should have a JMB and not RA. In my former area, we had elected JMB. And we had RA to ensure JMB carries the job transparently and hanky panky... :D

You know la...some people get power like monkey get flower ( :D it rhymes)
but power comes with a price.

Anyway the end of above story. I walked off the JMB pro tem commitee in less than 3 months. Too much nepotism and cronism for me to handle ler...

[kwgoh]

My sister's house is a double story link-house behind Tesco Puchong, initially the area was not GnG when she bought the house, her house was the 1st phase and in the beginning there were few break-in when not many moved in yet. They have meetings with developers and since there is only one exit the developer fence up and employ security guards to show the new phases buyer that they cares.

Most of the residence including my sister pay reasonable amount (RM45) and until few months back the charges go up to RM100.

There is no GnG concept stated in the S&P. (don't know whether later phases there is GnG concept in the S&P)

So what to do? if you want to avoid inconvenience then you pay, otherwise you move out. My sister & in law already retired and 2 sons also move out already so, at present they still using the old car sticker and the guard let them go (sticker valid for 1 year). She may face the problem when the sticker expired.

[AlanCheng]

Hi Nona,
Let say FnG in started in your area and you are non-payer, the RA only allocated one guard to follow behind the no-payers' car and 3 non-payers' car came back at the same time, the guard ask you to wait at the entrance and take turn to be followed, what will you do?

This happened to my sister staying in Puchong, the GnG was managed by the developer when she bought the house, reasonable fees to be paid and she was quite happy paying for the past 3-4 years, BUT just few months ago the developer not managing the GnG anymore and took over by the RA and they engage new security company AND THE FEES increase 100%, so my sister refuse to pay. You know how they trouble you? They make you to register at the guards house every time you go back to your home. They only issue cards for payers to open the auto-gate (like the one in the car park). Visitors and non-payer need to register at the guard house before entering the area.
So, either you pay or you moved out, right ??
This happen to my friend who stays in usj 16, and one of the incharge "B" tells the guard " ini orang takda bayar, jangan kasi masuk . :mad:

[driftingrover]

This happen to my friend who stays in usj 16, and one of the incharge "B" tells the guard " ini orang takda bayar, jangan kasi masuk . :mad:

i wish my RA will tell the guard to do that to me, as i pun tak bayar.

sometimes i wonder why in circumstances like these u guys still not taking any action, just keeping quiet??

[nona]

i wish my RA will tell the guard to do that to me, as i pun tak bayar.

sometimes i wonder why in circumstances like these u guys still not taking any action, just keeping quiet??


wah....you so wanting this aren't you? Like in The Alchemist...don't worry the entire universe will conspire to deliver that to you... :D

[AlanCheng]

i wish my RA will tell the guard to do that to me, as i pun tak bayar.

sometimes i wonder why in circumstances like these u guys still not taking any action, just keeping quiet??
He is renting a house there only so he kept quiet to avoid more troubles :mad: :mad: :mad:

[SCCheah]

kwgoh,

If I were you, I would scold the guards and if they continue to stop me or cause inconvenience, then crash through their barriers.

From your description of the Puchong house, it looks like it's a DIY fenced and gated community. The guards have no bloody right to subject non-paying residents to daily checking just because they don't have stickers.

Trouble is - residents allow themselves to be bullied.

[driftingrover]

wah....you so wanting this aren't you? Like in The Alchemist...don't worry the entire universe will conspire to deliver that to you... :D

no lah, i do not want this to happen to me lah.

my motto is "don't trouble trouble till trouble comes to u"

as we all know, n they bloody well know too, that what they r doing is illegal, so if they do not disturb me, then they do as they wish. but if they want to bother me , sad to say, i will be like a bulldog, i bite n won't let go. i know what i can do, n what could be done. if they ever come to distrub me n i hv to go to all those trouble to exercise my rights, i might as well laugh all the way to the bank. as the saying goes, "let a sleeping dog sleep"

in instances like this that i hv gone through, well just say i m still laughing.

[driftingrover]

He is renting a house there only so he kept quiet to avoid more troubles :mad: :mad: :mad:

when trouble comes staring at u in the face n u don't mind taking it laying down , what else can we say,,, nothing.

[driftingrover]

kwgoh,

If I were you, I would scold the guards and if they continue to stop me or cause inconvenience, then crash through their barriers.

From your description of the Puchong house, it looks like it's a DIY fenced and gated community. The guards have no bloody right to subject non-paying residents to daily checking just because they don't have stickers.

Trouble is - residents allow themselves to be bullied.

totally agree , residents allow themselves to be bullied.

n some goes along to avoid trouble but will be bitching about it at the back, hoping others will fight their battles.

[peterkkchong]

This happen to my friend who stays in usj 16, and one of the incharge "B" tells the guard " ini orang takda bayar, jangan kasi masuk . :mad:

Wah! This one sound like modern day extortion. In the olden days gangster collect protection money, now days, they employ security guard to do the threat?

So, in my opinion, those who pay will feel safe (from the security guards) but those who did not pay will not feel safe! :confused:

[CCY]

Wah! This one sound like modern day extortion. In the olden days gangster collect protection money, now days, they employ security guard to do the threat?

So, in my opinion, those who pay will feel safe (from the security guards) but those who did not pay will not feel safe! :confused:
.....so ...the sticker on your gate and tin can is just the starter. Main courses will be serve later.....
Now you've 2 gang...those having and those not having ....

Just an out of the box wider thought..... Is this a trap set up for the PR gomen to get trip upon....later ? Hmmmmm....

[SCCheah]

.....so ...the sticker on your gate and tin can is just the starter. Main courses will be serve later.....
Now you've 2 gang...those having and those not having ....

Just an out of the box wider thought..... Is this a trap set up for the PR gomen to get trip upon....later ? Hmmmmm....

Trap set up FOR PR gomen?

Who sets the trap? BN?

The impression is, it is the PR Selangor state government endorsing it. Hannah's man, Rajiv is in the MPSJ committee. Many people are boiling hot why the inaction?!

A courageous politician must not sit on the fence and feel which direction the wind is blowing but must make a bold and sometimes unpopular stand. In this case it is, I strongly believe, a popular stand as many people are against FnG for USJ.

Since, the whole issue is illegal, our ADUN must do something NOW or lose a lot of votes come next GE!!! :mad: :mad: :mad:

[jan tomaswaki]

Trap set up FOR PR gomen?
Who sets the trap? BN?
The impression is, it is the PR Selangor state government endorsing it. Hannah's man, Rajiv is in the MPSJ committee. Many people are boiling hot why the inaction?!
A courageous politician must not sit on the fence and feel which direction the wind is blowing but must make a bold and sometimes unpopular stand. In this case it is, I strongly believe, a popular stand as many people are against FnG for USJ.
Since, the whole issue is illegal, our ADUN must do something NOW or lose a lot of votes come next GE!!! :mad: :mad: :mad:

Yes,you are correct,but what have they done?they bash BN ,north,east,south ,west and they say (derek fernandez) it is illegal still they aren't doing anything! :mad: Sumore lobby to be councillors :mad:

[currymee]

Just to highlight/"correct" a point about politics and GnG - a lot of RA pro-tem GnG members are MCA/BN ppl - if I am not mistaken, the USJ5 GnG RA Chairperson herself is MCA's chosen candidate for next GE for ADUN/Parliment of Subang Jaya/Kelana Jaya - Mdm Ong. It is across political line, so try not to over-generalise and make assumptions in claiming it is Pakatan agenda, it is more likely that the neighbourhood pro-tem committees went to seek their advice (as they are the current ADUN), rather than they going down to the ground to actively promote GnG.

From what had transpired with the defunct USJ4AMAN RA, I know that they went and seek for Rajiv's advice rather than the other way round - be fair to ppl like Rajiv and Hannah Yeoh, who genuinely trying to help SJ/USJ residents ... the anti-GnG group can also form a team to go and see them and ask for their advices and actions instead of hinting at inappropriate actions by them in the USJ forum. Who know they may help you to dismantle everything and remove all the barrels and fencing ... but if you don't go and see them to make official request ... no black and white, while all the pro-tem RAs do write in to them to seek official meeting, advice and support. And as far as I know their responses is that if the majority agree/want and you meet the appropriate guidelines .... THEN ... now the ball game has changed .... so go and talk to them instead of hinting they have hidden political motives - they are nice ppl trying to serve us, the residents who are at two sides of a debate, be fair to them.

I also understand that MPSJ do take note and survey the situation when there is an OFFICIAL COMPLAIN lodged rather than verbal complains - again, black and white .... anti GnG group, write in and do a signature petition etc etc to MPSJ. Yes, some of you may strongly state that, pro GnG are breaking the law, so the lawmakers must take action, well, nothing to stop you, as a law-abiding citizen to help highlight the "trangressions" to the lawmakers also .....

I would like to have GnG for my area but since the majority don't want it or not bothered, I have to go with the majority.

[jan tomaswaki]

Well my good fren,official complain had been made,also came out in TV7 ,everybody knows that it is illegal, do they need to bring them back to school and teach them it is wrong to break the law? :mad: let us talk over a bowl of curry mee in Hock Hin if you have time.Of course you belanja :D

[adamx]

Did you know there was a robbery at the so-called well-fortified USJ11?

According to the 11Trees @USJ,a robbery took place on Thursday, 25 March 2010 afternoon at USJ 11/3P. It involves several robbers in a Toyota Avanza. The victim reportedly lost about RM7,000 worth of valuables.

Now the 11 Trees @ USJ committe want to tighten the security checks at the entrances into their area. "It will get more stringent going forward. Cars without valid stickers will be subjected to greater scutiny to prevent such incidences from happening again." it said.

I do not mean to sound cynical but I feel their method of scrutinizing visitors is fraught with loopholes. How are they going to check each and every car? Peep into the boot and passenger seats for parangs, pistols and what not? Maybe arm themselves with metal detectors for hidden bombs like in KL Hilton?

The security fencing is so porous that anyone can cut the locks, climb over the fencing etc and even give a "right hand" wave to pass through the guard post. All these child-like measures to boost security will only give a false sense of security as I have mentioned many times before.

As cs chua rightly pointed out, the FnG may at best deter small time criminals but not the hardened, violent robbers out to rape, kill and take the big ticket items. So why go checking cars etc? Sounds very childish to me. Real robbers can even point a shot gun at the faces of the puny guards, tie them up and whack them.

And, as cml also rightly pointed out, previously neighbourhoods have some semblance of law and order.

I think we have been too nice to our cops. Building big police stations at USJ8 for their comfort. What we should do is make more noise and demand protection from the PDRM who are now getting better benefits.

We want to see more police presence- foot ronda etc as recently reported in the newspapers.

All these barricading, FnG etc are useless as seen from the recent robbery at the famed USJ bastion- USJ11. What a joke!

all these people living in these type of setting are actually easy target because most of them think they are safe, they will pay less attention to secure their house or be alert when outside their house. Soon robbers will realise it is easier to target these houses than those which are not. Most of these pro F&G and G&G will not dare to report these incidents.

[currymee]

Well my good fren,official complain had been made,also came out in TV7 ,everybody knows that it is illegal, do they need to bring them back to school and teach them it is wrong to break the law? :mad: let us talk over a bowl of curry mee in Hock Hin if you have time.Of course you belanja :D

The trouble began way before 2008 ..... the enforcement is not applied forcefully and evenly in the early days. Let's face the fact that GnG has started way before March 8, 2008 (even before Pakatan exist), so had the BN Govt of the day THEN and its MPSJ and MPBJ nipped these GnGs in the bud back in 2005/6 then habis cerita today .... but the police, bomba, councils etc etc DID NOT OBJECT or do anything (close-one-eye to the LAW they are supposed to uphold!!) .... they allowed the situation to festered until today ....so who is to blame? Instead of blaming, as it is usually a destructive exercise .... I will be happier if the Federal Govt make an official stand on this, after all, the amendment of the Act, police, bomba etc etc come under their care while MPSJ/MBPJ also have their roles .... if you want to BAN, BAN IT, if you want to allow, allow it, it is this "close-one-eye" syndrome that is making enemies out of neighbours.

As for breaking the law, well, Malaysians are notorious for it when enforcement are LAX - take a look at speeding, jumping red light, double parking, illegal U-turns, driving using handphones, etc etc ...... they are all ILLEGAL but occur daily in front of our eyes, and we just curse and swear at the "criminals".

I am not condoning any act of illegal nature against the law but when the authorities also buat tak tahu, it is a recipe for anarchy which is what we have now .... when they close one eye - it means there is NO "LAW as far as they can "see" ..... so, please get the RIGHT PERSON RESPONSIBLE - GET THE FEDERAL GOVT AND THEIR AGENCIES TO ACT and ENFORCE THE LAW otherwise, CHANGE THE LAW !!

ANyway, as for currymee, Choy Kee is much better :D :p

[driftingrover]

all these would not hv boil up till what it is today, if those RA hv the sincerity at heart to safeguard their family n property n those of the community. if it was the RA wish to do something good , by all means do it with an open heart.
trouble follows when RAs get overjealous n insist that everyone hv to follow their lead.

[SCCheah]

While I agree with you currymee that the pro-FnG people run across political lines, the point I am drawing is - (if you read the papers), the Pakatan government seems to be endorsing this FnG thing.

I am not talking just about the RA etc.

Point is, the politicians are playing balls with us and who are these politicians in the state of Selangor??!! Pakatan isn't it?! Don't talk about 2008. Talk about what Hannah, Rajiv etc are doing now. They seem to be still sitting on the fence.

I went to the recent town hall meeting but it was merely a report-card briefing of what has been done and of course the usual BN whacking. As I mentioned in my earlier comment, I could not stay till the end as my daughter was falling asleep after a whole day's study and tuition. I had fetched her from her tuition centre and dropped by for the town hallmeeting on the way home.

Yes, I will surely meet up with Hannah.

For your info, I met up with a group of USJ2 anti-FnG people recently. They are so angry with Hannah that I cannot mention the unmentionables here. They are led by a retired Assistant Commissioner of Police!

Also for your info, one of my NST colleagues who is living in one Taman (forgot where) is so infuriated when he saw a 10 feet high wall built across the road. We are going to carry that story! This is really getting out of hands!

Gila people are taking the law into their own hands!!

[SCCheah]

Currymee - police reports have been made, residents have sent in memos to MPSJ (with TV crew tagged along), Star, NST etc have also highlighted the problems, this website is full of anti-FnG comments.

You mean Hannah, Rajiv don't read the papers or this website ah?!

You mean to tell me a politician will only take action upon official complaints ah? There have already been official complaints - police reports etc have been made.

Come on Hannah and Rajiv - take action!

Give the FnG issue your top priority and not just talk about rubbish collection, parks etc. This is the most pressing issue today.

Almost every other day, newspapers are full of the FnG issue.

[SCCheah]

currymee:

You said:

I would like to have GnG for my area but since the majority don't want it or not bothered, I have to go with the majority.
__________________

This is precisely the crux of the problem.

It is not a case of going with the majority.

The issue is simply - USJ is not a gated and guarded development. Period. You can have 99 per cent people in a particular precinct voting for fenced and guarded or whatever, it is still WRONG!

That's why the government is wrong if it attempts to placate people by trying to change the law either leaning towards pro-FnG or towards anti-FnG.

[SCCheah]

Currymee says:

Who know they may help you to dismantle everything and remove all the barrels and fencing ...

So are you trying to imply that they are like...wait and see?

So does it mean that we should be very grateful to them if they succeed in so-called helping us remove those barriers and return matters to status quo?

Sounds like the devil and angel mashed into one.

MPSJ - where the councillors are mostly Pakatan nominees, shouldn't even approve or close one eye on what's going on.

Based on a matter of principle, even if there is not one single complaint, even if there no newspapers report on the hue and cry, as a responsible MPSJ, they should remove these dangerous barriers!

[peterkkchong]

.....so ...the sticker on your gate and tin can is just the starter. Main courses will be serve later.....
Now you've 2 gang...those having and those not having ....

Just an out of the box wider thought..... Is this a trap set up for the PR gomen to get trip upon....later ? Hmmmmm....

It could be....but i am not bother about it, it is PR problem , My problem is that i am personally affected by some of these road blocks and one particular G & G guards demanding to keep I/C or license to enter and i don't like it! WHAT RIGHT DO THEY HAVE TO DEMAND FOR I/C OR LICENSE?

Prevention against crime is their main concerned but me think they also want to have more privacy (less cars & less outsider, less pollution?) and all in the name of crime prevention. It is actually breaking up the neighborhood community!

You want my own personal experience? i refuse to send my kid to G&G area when they say they want to play with their friends. But i have no choice, when they say they have school projects and needed to do with their friends in the G&G area.



:(

[currymee]

So, what is the NEXT STEP for everyone?

Since the authorities are obviously NOT GOING TO DO ANYTHING based on what has been written/reported ... perhaps it is time for LEGAL ACTION and sue the Federal Govt, State Govt, local councils, police, bomba etc for failure to uphold the CLEARLY STATED LAW and breach of public trust - as far as I can see and taking a higher view, it is the FAILURE of these authorities and their "close-one-eye" syndrome starting from Federal enforcement that is the ROOT CAUSE of all these GnGs - IMAGINE if the POLICE were TO SAY NO from DAY ONE, (instead of just "ambil maklum") there will not be a SINGLE DRUM or BARRIER or fencing ANYWHERE - NO RA pro-tem will dare go against the POLICE - it is because of their "intentional" GREYING of the matter as a solution to their abject failure to maintain public safety and security that ALL GnG HELL IS BREAKING LOOSE NOW !!

Right now, the ONLY AUTHORITY that I can see that can resolve all these is again THE POLICE - who reports to the IGP who reports to the Home Minister, who in turn reports to the Prime Minister - so GO AFTER THE FEDERAL GOVT TO ACT - local council and ADUNs are "hopeless" and "helpless" to resolve these matters now - it has gone beyond them as the REAL POWER lies with the POLICE !!

BTW, what did the police reply to all the police reports made? Were they ignored and KIVed - perhaps time for SCCheah to use his influence in The Star and NST and HIGHLIGHT the lack of police action on the matter !! After all, A LAW as you all have rightly said has been broken, so WHO IS THE AUTHORITY THAT UPHOLDS THE LAW IN MALAYSIA? Certainly not Rajiv, Hannah, MPSJ , MPBJ, etc ..... so IF POLICE (LAW ENFORCER) DON'T ACT .... what is the next step ?

We should stop running around in circles and raising the tensions between neighbours .... LET THE LAW BE ENFORCED .... or else CHANGE IT !!

[SCCheah]

If you read the newspapers carefully, most of the news are against the setting up of these FnG. Why? It's not because the Media are ganging up but because many people have complained.

I have already written about the FnG matter in my column Property Eyes a few months ago. We have also held a round-table discussion and the articles appeared as a centre-spread. NST Property is not online - not the same as NST online).

Yes, I can write as a reader or a writer about the inaction of the police.

There's something brewing big in USJ 2 as the anti-FnG people are taking up the cudgel. I am given to understand that they and the pro-FnG will be meeting the MPSJ etc tomorrow.

Further to currymee's observation my take is:

Whole problem starts with -

1. Failure of the police to effectively curb crime.

2. Too kiasu people taking the law into their own hands, ending up being selfish and don't care less attitude so long as they feel protected.

3. The authorities like politicians and local councils closing one eye and taking things easy.

4. Some opportunists joining the fray - looking out for big money to be earned.

Result: mounting fury until neighbours hate each other. Whose @## idea started all these mayhem??! Is it PR, BN or what? Currymee asked us not to run in circles and raise tensions among neighbours. How not to feel tensed?
Greying man like me feel very annoyed just seeing those idiotic fencing every day I come out of my USJ house. People are already breaking locks, shouting, banging oil drums etc. It's those pro-FnG people who created this nonsense!

[Doodles]

1. Failure of the police to effectively curb crime.Is it really SO DIFFICULT to hire more policemen and put them on patrol duty?

[SCCheah]

May I humbly suggest (hope the PDRM read this) that the Federal Government recall retired policemen especially police officers who retired with good records.

Although some of them may not be physically fit and are ageing, but they have lots of experience and if they are well known faces, they command respect from the community and can also foster inter-racial harmony among residents.

Of course like other retirees, their pay will be less than before but they should still get a reasonably amount on an annual contract basis.

They can:

(1) Be the eyes and ears for neighbourhoods - like walking around or driving around in their old jalopy especially in the afternoon when most of us are at work.

(2) They can be assigned desk duties in police stations while the younger, stronger policemen go out to patrol the streets. This method has been suggested by the government before.

(3) The older ex-policemen can even sit in the various gardens/parks wearing a proper badge (well, they should be in full police uniform while some can act as detectives in ordinary clothes but carrying authority card). I would rather see our own Malaysians earning some money than those foreign workers who can't even speak proper English or none at all.
I rather that our ex-policemen carry on national service than engaged as private security officers where the main consideration is money only.

(4) More importantly, is the beefing up of the "arm pai" (Hokkien for detectives) who mingle with society who knows where are the bad hats and not because they want to apprehend anti-government elements. Many, many years ago, the presence of these "arm pai" brought fear to the criminals.

I give these examples because as I have said in a recent comment, I came to know of a person a few nights ago who was introduced to me as a retired ACP. He lives in USJ2. ACP is a high ranking post. Today he is a director of a company. From the matured way he talks about the issue, I reckon that we can learn from him.

Thus, engaging retired police officers is one way to make use of their expertise and talents in further guarding our community.

[driftingrover]

, My problem is that i am personally affected by some of these road blocks and one particular G & G guards demanding to keep I/C or license to enter and i don't like it! WHAT RIGHT DO THEY HAVE TO DEMAND FOR I/C OR LICENSE?




:(
what did u do about? just keep quiet n fume inside of u?

[nona]

Since, the whole issue is illegal, our ADUN must do something NOW or lose a lot of votes come next GE!!! :mad: :mad: :mad:


for all you know she will lose votes if she talks about the right thing. That's what happen isn't it? It's not about what's right, it's about what's popular?

[nona]

From what had transpired with the defunct USJ4AMAN RA, I know that they went and seek for Rajiv's advice rather than the other way round - be fair to ppl like Rajiv and Hannah Yeoh, who genuinely trying to help SJ/USJ residents ... the anti-GnG group can also form a team to go and see them and ask for their advices and actions instead of hinting at inappropriate actions by them in the USJ forum. Who know they may help you to dismantle everything and remove all the barrels and fencing ... but if you don't go and see them to make official request ... no black and white, .


I agree with currymee....can we do this? Lord can take the lead ka?

[SCCheah]

for all you know she will lose votes if she talks about the right thing. That's what happen isn't it? It's not about what's right, it's about what's popular?


So, it's about fear of losing votes?

If Hannah thinks the pro-FnG are in the majority I think she has made a big blunder.

Let us look at the facts in USJ.

1. Where are the hard evidence to show they even have 85 per cent paying support? Some people claimed that they could not have done the fencing etc without the monetary support. Is that kind of evidence enough? MPSJ must put up all the names and addresses of paying supporters and not those who merely say "Saya sokong".

2. How many precincts in USJ are actually fenced up now? USJ 4/1 (my area) - have very poor support. They abandoned the idea and so are other parts of USJ 3 areas. They tried very hard to swallow the 2,700-odd houses in USJ2 but to no avail and I suspect the RA are trying to bulldoze matters- already they have thrown oil drums - now cones here and there. They also try to swallow USJ9. The bastion is USJ11 but its FnG has in a way failed because robberies still happen there.

3. The fact that things are not transparent and authorities closing one eye, shows that things are not what they seem to be.

Anyway, politicians who merely go along with popular sentiments are not true leaders. Look at Obama - a real statesman who fought against the tide of what is once thought to be impossible to crack- the controversial health bill that no other presidents in US history has managed to pull through and yet he did it - not because of popular support but because he is courageous, he cares and he is undaunted!

[SCCheah]

I agree with currymee....can we do this? Lord can take the lead ka?


OK, count me in. Fix a date. Let's see our ADUN.

[nona]

The trouble began way before 2008 ..... the enforcement is not applied forcefully and evenly in the early days. Let's face the fact that GnG has started way before March 8, 2008 (even before Pakatan exist), so had the BN Govt of the day THEN and its MPSJ and MPBJ nipped these GnGs in the bud back in 2005/6 then habis cerita today .... but the police, bomba, councils etc etc DID NOT OBJECT or do anything (close-one-eye to the LAW they are supposed to uphold!!) .... they allowed the situation to festered until today ....so who is to blame? Instead of blaming, as it is usually a destructive exercise .... I will be happier if the Federal Govt make an official stand on this, after all, the amendment of the Act, police, bomba etc etc come under their care while MPSJ/MBPJ also have their roles .... if you want to BAN, BAN IT, if you want to allow, allow it, it is this "close-one-eye" syndrome that is making enemies out of neighbours.

As for breaking the law, well, Malaysians are notorious for it when enforcement are LAX - take a look at speeding, jumping red light, double parking, illegal U-turns, driving using handphones, etc etc ...... they are all ILLEGAL but occur daily in front of our eyes, and we just curse and swear at the "criminals".

I am not condoning any act of illegal nature against the law but when the authorities also buat tak tahu, it is a recipe for anarchy which is what we have now .... when they close one eye - it means there is NO "LAW as far as they can "see" ..... so, please get the RIGHT PERSON RESPONSIBLE - GET THE FEDERAL GOVT AND THEIR AGENCIES TO ACT and ENFORCE THE LAW otherwise, CHANGE THE LAW !!

ANyway, as for currymee, Choy Kee is much better :D :p


fuhyooo...currymee...you talk so much of sense la...if you got blog I will be follower. I totally agree with you. In fact I like to state that, as a person pro RA people are fine chaps. Its just the way of beliefs in implementing security features that what we disagree. Then again I guess when gov and people in power not doing anything concrete, people take matters into their won hands...which explains the mess as it is now

[lord]

OK, count me in. Fix a date. Let's see our ADUN.

Can, no problem. But it must be in the next week or so. I'll be on the road again after that.

[SCCheah]

Better after April 21. Thanks.

[SCCheah]

http://thestar.com.my/metro/story.asp?file=/2010/4/10/central/6026822&sec=central

[mick123]

i was going to see the new bungalows in Putra Palms in Putra Heights, which is now occupied. it doesn't look like a gated community like those in Bukit Rimau but guarded just like my area. the guard stopped me from going in and asked me to contact the real estate agent. if the agent says i can go in, then i can otherwise no entry. the guard mentioned that is the instruction from the house owners and the owners will complain if they let us in. what right do they have to prevent people from entering a public and what's with the deal with the agent?

[ivanhow]

i was going to see the new bungalows in Putra Palms in Putra Heights, which is now occupied. it doesn't look like a gated community like those in Bukit Rimau but guarded just like my area. the guard stopped me from going in and asked me to contact the real estate agent. if the agent says i can go in, then i can otherwise no entry. the guard mentioned that is the instruction from the house owners and the owners will complain if they let us in. what right do they have to prevent people from entering a public and what's with the deal with the agent?
Does that mean you do not have the right to visit a place to look for houses for sale/rent, or even to look for empty houses that might be available for rent/sale? Perhaps, if you are a real estate agent, you are not allowed to scout for houses sellers, or such. Or perhaps, if you might be interested to invest in property then, you are also not allowed in this area. :D :eek:

[mick123]

Does that mean you do not have the right to visit a place to look for houses for sale/rent, or even to look for empty houses that might be available for rent/sale? Perhaps, if you are a real estate agent, you are not allowed to scout for houses sellers, or such. Or perhaps, if you might be interested to invest in property then, you are also not allowed in this area. :D :eek:

yeap you're right. visit is by appointment only and can only be made with the one and only agent!! wow what has the community turned to, making public roads private?? :confused:

[ivanhow]

yeap you're right. visit is by appointment only and can only be made with the one and only agent!! wow what has the community turned to, making public roads private?? :confused:
Well, that being the case, got to think really hard whether to get in there either to look for property to buy/rent/invest, or to be an owner hoping to sell/rent-out when property appreciated. Cos, it's going to be difficult to sell/advertise for sale etc... etc... It'll be easier to look elsewhere... Moreover, might have to spend more to maintain the services such as rubbish, privatised roads etc.. etc...

[teamplay]

This morning they have closed another access in USJ 11/4. Sigh.... So much longer route to get to school.....:(

[SCCheah]

This morning they have closed another access in USJ 11/4. Sigh.... So much longer route to get to school.....:(

http://usjeleventrees.blogspot.com/

Please read their latest comments.

Thank Heavens I do not live there otherwise I would have come toblows with that @#$% moderator.

It is his style to use sarcasm and ridiculing others - using words like obsence etc.

How can USJ11 hope to have co-operative neigbhours when you have @#$% people who deride own neighbours that those non-paying residents are getting free stickers from those whopay.

In the first place the pro-FnG people are thrusting their kind of caged community on others and they have the cheek to expect others to show courtesy by slowing down for the guards.

Imagine the daily stress and inconvenience of having to slow down here and there when people are rushing with their chores. You are scared to death of crimes, sell your USJ home and buy one of those ready-made GnG developments.

Don't expect people to support you when in the first place it's not even a deterrence as admitted by USJ 11blog itself - houses continue to be ransacked and cars splashed with paint despite the presence of their so-called guards!

How can they expect solidarity when you have @#$% like their committee members who continuously chide and deride others?!

[hackwire]

i pity those who lives in such neighborhood. the govt should reduce these Little Napoleons to bits and pieces.
They are registering the RA for one purpose only and to build prison cages on open space with Green Wired Fencing.

When asked to follow up on other matter, they make claims like " Short of Manpower"

When asked the reason of not pressuring the right Police Sarge for lack of security in the country, they provides all sort of assumption like lack of manpower , useless, not enough patrol car.... bla bla. they instead drinking coffee together with law enforcement occasionally and seated together with these high rank officer on nice cushion sofa like VIP.

Than they hire security firms hiring ordinary people who have no experience or whatsover to take care of people lives???? Is our lives so cheap? Can a foreigner or will he testify in court or will he spent his working permit given to him to attend court for the next few years if he arrest someone?

Are the RA nutz??? When the public call out Little Napoleons on the politician , did they know that they are also being in the same shoes as them now? What are the difference than if the RA so Surreal ? Is it our father/mother/uncle/aunties were the problem makers? Why can't they complaint to Bukit Aman and use their resources to check high crime statistics and remove inefficient officers using the KPI instead of running their own stageshow and battleground with the people who opposed them. Think for a second! That's all we need.

[jan tomaswaki]

[QUOTE=hackwire]
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When asked the reason of not pressuring the right Police Sarge for lack of security in the country, they provides all sort of assumption like lack of manpower , useless, not enough patrol car.... bla bla. they instead drinking coffee together with law enforcement occasionally and seated together with these high rank officer on nice cushion sofa like VIP.
Than they hire security firms hiring ordinary people who have no experience or whatsover to take care of people lives???? Is our lives so cheap? Can a foreigner or will he testify in court or will he spent his working permit given to him to attend court for the next few years if he arrest someone?

110% sokong you ! :) they can give you sumore excuses if you want...like talk to M.Besar,IGP,PM dept... :D

[hackwire]

First they were just Little Napoleans, when time and support of the majority people began to buy the idea of False Sense of Security , all these damnation begin to turn to Village of the Damned, EGOS and PRIDE forced women and children to join these Men to burnt !!! Die!!! Die!!!! cursing the one who are on the other side of the fence. The orthodox still the same just different chapter in the book. It's still the same Title of the book , there's no difference . Only difference is that we now using E-Book.

the Little Napolean gets the Power and began to master the art of Sicilian . soon , laws enacted to create walls of Berlin or No Beast Land . Children that grew up began the same cult and starts to built a higher wall and one day i do believe that the city will become like the movie Escape from New York. Even the Police stays away from the chaotic world.

[SCCheah]

First they were just Little Napoleans, when time and support of the majority people began to buy the idea of False Sense of Security , all these damnation begin to turn to Village of the Damned, EGOS and PRIDE forced women and children to join these Men to burnt !!! Die!!! Die!!!! cursing the one who are on the other side of the fence. The orthodox still the same just different chapter in the book. It's still the same Title of the book , there's no difference . Only difference is that we now using E-Book.

the Little Napolean gets the Power and began to master the art of Sicilian . soon , laws enacted to create walls of Berlin or No Beast Land . Children that grew up began the same cult and starts to built a higher wall and one day i do believe that the city will become like the movie Escape from New York. Even the Police stays away from the chaotic world.

Fully agree!

These Little Napoleons have the cheek to appear as civic-minded citizens, full of concern over the welfare of others but they are double-faced people.

[ivanhow]

kwgoh...check this link

http://www.hba.org.my/laws/building/A663-2007%5B1%5D%20-BCPM.pdf

formally I lived in high rise and was part of the JMB which we are regulated by the above link. I use to remind my over zealous friends cum neighbours cum committee members that we can sue and can be sued. I am not sure if the real GnG is governed under this act or not. If they are, they should have a JMB and not RA. In my former area, we had elected JMB. And we had RA to ensure JMB carries the job transparently and hanky panky... :D

You know la...some people get power like monkey get flower ( :D it rhymes)
but power comes with a price.

Anyway the end of above story. I walked off the JMB pro tem commitee in less than 3 months. Too much nepotism and cronism for me to handle ler... I just wonder whether you could mean that members who were voted into the JMB or the MC (Management Corporation) end up colluding with the Management. How is this possible? Can you give a scenario?

[nona]

Ivan

I don't understand your question on the above post.


Anyway I tried replying your PM but was not going through not sure what is the problem. So here is my reply to you PM

Hi Ivan

JMB can only be formed after strata tittle is issued. Because only then the developer can hand over the responsiblity to house owners. This is from what I knew from my experience. Like it or not we are not really well prepared to handle such responsibility yet.

First and foremost JMB committee members must do the work for free. So not only you got manage like few hundred units of premises, thousands of tenants/owners/residents, security issues, utility bills, cleanliness, complains (especially about the damn car parks :mad: ) -- you are not paid. :eek:

In some areas you can see more team work and tolerence, but i cant say the same about majority of the places. Then residents can call for vote of no confidence and form a new JMB...i know a place in Klang...that had JMB formed and reformed every 2 months. Interim the garbage was not collected and bills were not paid that utility companies disconnected them.

Fairly speaking Ivan ...this is not faint hearted. You must have like minded people and try to talk the majority onto your side. Rules must be established from the beginning and the meetings SHOULD never ever proceed without corum. That's where the nepotism shit allegation hits the fan. You may need to arrange the meeting several times and calling it off as the corum is insufficient. But patience should and must prevail. There definately will be people whom go against at all cost for reasons god forbid you can't comprehend-- but as the saying goes keep friends close and keep the enemies closer. Keep the 'anti' group closer to reduce the rejection and understand their move.

So good luck and all the best

[jan tomaswaki]

In the Parliment Act 1997,all buildings hand- over after 1997 must form the JMB(joint management body)in one month after handing over the keys.After the title issue to owners 1/3,the developer MUST call for AGM to form the MC (managentment Corpoaration)>This MC will decide all issues pertaining the building like guards,landscaping,general maintenece etc.This job is very difficult when many owners try to "campur tangan" in daily affairs of the running of MC.Ask them to get involve "NO TIME" :mad: