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SCCheah
10-01-2010, 12:08 AM
Dear All USJ Residents,

I have copied and pasted below a comment from 11Tree@USJ about a resident who allegedly broke a lock at the GnG there.

Read the comdemning, condescending, unsympathetic, arrogant and callous remarks.

Instead of asking ourselves why this person (they even took a photo of him) broke the lock, they are more worried about the lock and the editor/advisor jeffrey khoo even told "anonymous" (i am the writer- to go to tanjung rambutan, coward, lazy etc) that he (jeffrey) understands that this giblet is leaving the area and he said "good riddance to bad rubbish"

Instead of studying why residents are so angry and frustrated we now have people who scold and chase own residents out just because they do not agree with the GnG concept.

Have we descended to such lows? Have we asked ourselves how many people and why our residents become so frustrated? No wonder some bloggers claim and I agree that we seem to be run by hooligans!

Please search your soul and love thy neighbours. If people disagree with you, talk to them.

We were happily living in USJ and then criminals overtake our township and now we have young turks chasing residents away.

This is not a strata-titled township. You don't just break the law and suit yourself!!
I urge all anti-GnGs to fight back!

Saturday, November 7, 2009
GIBLET AT IT AGAIN!
Labels: Around USJ 11/3

Man, this Giblet is one hell of a persistent character!

The man who is very against our G&G is now whacking our locks on the gates.

Here is what happened.

Last Thursday, 5 November 2009, a couple, who are residents from our area were taking their usual stroll around our kampung in the morning.

When they were walking towards the small gate entrance near the HSBC Bank, they saw Giblet hammering away the lock on the gate. It did not take this man long to 'kill' the lock as he was 'giving' it his all. I really pity the lock lah! Kena kau kau from him. Koyak maximum as a result of Giblet's 'abuse'.

Needless to say, the poor couple were horrified at his intensity and pent up anger! They went to report to the guards, who of course did not confront him. The guards have been instructed by the Committee as not to antogise such people if they were to come across such situations and that potentially they may be in harms way. They are to merely obeserve and report as quickly as possible of such situations.

Anyway, after giving the lock a good whack and losing quite a few calories in the process, Giblet calmed down. He then spoke to the couple, justifying his actions. He complained about the G&G and the inconvenience that came with it and that we do not have the right to put up such barricade and that we have all broken the law, blah, blah, blah!

But if he is is so gung-ho about the law, perhaps he should help us do something to reduce crime. For instance, he could organise a 'round table talk' with the crooks and have a chat with them about the law! These crooks also break the law mah, Giblet. So how?

If you want to talk about law then do the right thing and channel your energy to help us rid of this crime scourge and in return, we promise to then take everything down. That way, we all become good law abiding citizens just like you!

Anyway, folks, sad to inform you that the badly mutilated 'lock' did not make it. Funeral services for the poor 'lock' will be held in our vincinity soon! Not sure if we should invite that dude, Giblet...!

Sincerely,

A concern citizen from the Committee
Posted by Jeffrey Khoo at 11:57 AM 7 comments

tsd
27-02-2010, 11:39 PM
today I received a G&G brochure in my letter box, a map showing S18/4 area with certian parts of roads in SS18/4 being closed and two exit/entry points with guards to SS18/4 area.

Does anyone knows what is going on ?

Also in this brochure, it says in big caps "YOUR COOPERATION APPRECIATED"

tsd
03-03-2010, 01:19 PM
this morning I noticed alot of oil drums suddenly appeared at some of the road junction in SS18/4. Looks like SS18/4 is turning into a G&G.

ksj_cool
03-03-2010, 03:07 PM
This morning I see a lot of empty drums placed at the roads entering SS18. Presume it is for the gated security. Does anyone knows who is behind this?
Even Mdm Theresa does not know who is the organiser !

lord
03-03-2010, 03:30 PM
This is really getting out of hand. I guess these organizers are just going ahead without the 85% approval, which is so-called required to establish this illegal blocks.

Please read azman0123's write-up on the other thread about what happened in Georgetown, Penang. The organizers should take heed from that, sit down and strategize how to dismantle all those booms, fencings and guardhouses and at the same time answer the residents who have paid to illegally erect these structures.

The show is coming to an end soon, I guess.

birdy
03-03-2010, 04:54 PM
This is really getting out of hand. I guess these organizers are just going ahead without the 85% approval, which is so-called required to establish this illegal blocks.

Please read azman0123's write-up on the other thread about what happened in Georgetown, Penang. The organizers should take heed from that, sit down and strategize how to dismantle all those booms, fencings and guardhouses and at the same time answer the residents who have paid to illegally erect these structures.

The show is coming to an end soon, I guess.
I read about the posting you posted earlier ... a good one actually but alas, it has been removed. Having said that, different municiple would exercise their power differently at their discretion. So, what happened in Penang may not happen in Subang Jaya. :o

azman0123
03-03-2010, 05:40 PM
Hi. I regret the removal of the posting too. So, instead of posting the news article verbatim, I have posted a summary and the link, as below:

http://aplikasi.kpkt.gov.my/akhbar....f8?OpenDocument

Do not be disheartened.

Dear admin, this piece below is a summary, and not the full article which appeared in NST in 2008. So please don't delete it this time!

The Residents' Association of Jesselton, in George Town, Penang were ORDERED to demolish guardhouses and gantries it erected to stop people from using the roads in their area.

The council ordered the removal of the illegal structures in the exclusive Jesselton Heights, and had to be done so as soon as possible.

The Council president, Zainal Rahim Seman, said, that no person can erect any kind of structure in any public place or along the side of any street without the authorities' approval. This was provided for under the Street, Drainage and Building Act 1974.

Basically, the association had not spoken truthfully when they said they had the council's permission to erect the structures.

Zainal said he directed the enforcement unit not to demolish the guardhouses on Monday night following claims by the residents that they had the council's approval.

"I agreed to halt the demolishing works that night so as to verify their claims but found out the following day that no approval had been given.

The IGP, Tan Sri Musa Hassan said the erection of guard houses and gantry barriers to stop outsiders from accessing public roads in the exclusive suburb was an offence under the law.

"The municipal council can tear down the barrier and the police can take action against those who erected it, if a report is lodged by the council."

kwchang
03-03-2010, 05:55 PM
...Dear admin, this piece below is a summary, and not the full article which appeared in NST in 2008. So please don't delete it this time!...
Please refer to my post (#148) at http://www.usj.com.my/bulletin/upload/showthread.php?p=414545#post414545 which clearly (I hope) explains how the respect of IP rights is handled on the web and THIS Forum.

OK, having read the above, I see you used your own words, so it is OK

SCCheah
03-03-2010, 09:18 PM
Wah, you guys are better informed than me...about Penang's case.

I am formerly from Penang. Great to hear about this piece of news.

For your info, Jesselton Heights is a very upmarket area- full of wealthy people. There is a very wealthy Japanese man (I know his name and company but do not want to reveal it here) who has a huge mansion there.
Yet, despite this, the authorities "tidak takut" but "ambil tindakan". What happened to MPSJ??!

CCY
03-03-2010, 10:07 PM
For those that may have miss the article in NST dated 26-1-2008....title
....01/26/2008 Residents told to demolish guardhouses, barriers....

Go to this website http://aplikasi.kpkt.gov.my/
Browse through 'By News Paper'
Use the down-arrow symbol to expand n select 'NEW STRAITS TIMES'
Expand further and page to the required date 26-1-2008 .....

Alternatively if you have nst subscription...it's here
http://archives.emedia.com.my/bin/main.exe?state=evg9hg.1.1&f=archtoc&p_toc=archtoc&p_search=search&p_help=s_help&a_search=Search&p_s_ALL=&p_op_ALL=AND&p_plural=no&p_s_PU=NST+OR+NSUNT+OR+COMPU&fdy=2008&tdy=2008&fdm=1&tdm=1&fdd=26&tdd=26&p_L=200&p_SortBy1=DA&p_Ascend1=NO

lord
04-03-2010, 10:35 AM
There's more coverage and interest now on F&G and this should now open up the can of worms.

Read http://www.themalaysianinsider.com/index.php/malaysia/55200-guarded-communities-to-get-ministry-guidelines

driftingrover
04-03-2010, 10:35 AM
it is very simple.

no one other then the police r allowed to stop n question anyone in a public area.

no one other then the police r allowed to set up road block on public roads.

fencing, boom gate, guard house , approval r required from the ministry

most important of all as far as we in usj r concern, what does our S&P and strata tittles say??

ksj_cool
04-03-2010, 12:45 PM
Today's Star has also carried an article on this, Minister says it is illegal unless 85% agrees!

driftingrover
04-03-2010, 01:10 PM
read this article below
http://www.sjecho.com.my/article/1110

if u read the fine print, u can see that mpsj hv themselves covered if ever this ended in a court of law.

now i m looking forward to how the police protect themselves.

jan tomaswaki
04-03-2010, 11:25 PM
Today's Star has also carried an article on this, Minister says it is illegal unless 85% agrees!

So if no 85% how? does anybody in the council take action? So far.......zzzzzz

jan tomaswaki
04-03-2010, 11:30 PM
So which part of SJ/USJ still have not got oil drums on the road ? SS17,USJ6,( i think 2 only) Soon.... "Welcome USJ/SJ city of oil drums"-where you need permission to enter the public road....

birdy
05-03-2010, 03:57 AM
So which part of SJ/USJ still have not got oil drums on the road ? SS17,USJ6,( i think 2 only) Soon.... "Welcome USJ/SJ city of oil drums"-where you need permission to enter the public road....
The drums supplier must have laughed all the way to the bank :D

jan tomaswaki
05-03-2010, 07:59 AM
The drums supplier must have laughed all the way to the bank :D

:D :D :D oil price increase due to lack of oil drums, coz all oil drums had been sold to SJ/USJ for security purpose :eek:

currymee
05-03-2010, 08:02 AM
Hmmm ..... maybe can suggest to the RM50K thread, to go into oil-drums and fencing business and LATER when MPSJ orders all to be taken down, quickly change to bulldozing business, both sides also makan ..... :D :D

jan tomaswaki
05-03-2010, 08:11 AM
Hmmm ..... maybe can suggest to the RM50K thread, to go into oil-drums and fencing business and LATER when MPSJ orders all to be taken down, quickly change to bulldozing business, both sides also makan ..... :D :D
Can you be my business CONsultant ? this type of business is reccesion proof,better than food bussiness.

birdy
05-03-2010, 08:27 AM
Hmmm ..... maybe can suggest to the RM50K thread, to go into oil-drums and fencing business and LATER when MPSJ orders all to be taken down, quickly change to bulldozing business, both sides also makan ..... :D :D
If you need a partner... look for me :p This is the time to start this business. :)

currymee
05-03-2010, 08:32 AM
If you need a partner... look for me :p This is the time to start this business. :)

WAH !! - Jan, me and now you !!! How come competition springs up so fast ? JV - mau ? :p

ksj_cool
05-03-2010, 08:47 AM
No 85% 'gulung tikar ler' ... :p

ksj_cool
05-03-2010, 08:49 AM
Should we know that for sure, meaning there is no 85% support, I think it is perfectly legal for anyone to dismantle/disrupt it!

jan tomaswaki
05-03-2010, 09:14 AM
If you need a partner... look for me :p This is the time to start this business. :)
You better do business with the commitees while you join the commitee.Later ppl know ,conflict of interest....kaput...

lord
05-03-2010, 09:18 AM
While this F&G topic has been a strain for some of us here, the above comments surely puts a smile on the face despite all the unwarranted 'headaches'. You guys are cool in my book and wish you guys all the best in this 'biz' venture of oil drums. :)

ksj_cool
05-03-2010, 09:22 AM
I made a complaint to the councillor and then I got this reply, matter closed for now (drums removed)

Dear Mr ****,
Greetings to you
Thank you for your phone call and e-mail today.

MPSJ has sent down the officers to investigate the matter. The drums will be removed until proper procedures are adhered to.

Thank you for being our eyes and ears on the ground.

Warm regards
Theresa Ratnam Thong

jan tomaswaki
05-03-2010, 09:33 AM
While this F&G topic has been a strain for some of us here, the above comments surely puts a smile on the face despite all the unwarranted 'headaches'. You guys are cool in my book and wish you guys all the best in this 'biz' venture of oil drums. :)
Good - lor no headache :) BTW me,Currymee and you want to supply fencing and guard house.Every road also got guard house,ada market . I install,currymee distrubute flyers and you our sales manager ( G n G -bussiness development)

birdy
05-03-2010, 09:54 AM
You better do business with the commitees while you join the commitee.Later ppl know ,conflict of interest....kaput...
I ain't part of the committee.... so, no conflict of interest

lord
05-03-2010, 10:11 AM
ksj_cool, can you pls clear your inbox! I can't send you a pm cause it's full, bro.

tsd
05-03-2010, 10:40 AM
I made a complaint to the councillor and then I got this reply, matter closed for now (drums removed)

Dear Mr ****,
Greetings to you
Thank you for your phone call and e-mail today.

MPSJ has sent down the officers to investigate the matter. The drums will be removed until proper procedures are adhered to.

Thank you for being our eyes and ears on the ground.

Warm regards
Theresa Ratnam Thong

wow, it is nice to see they respond to your email so fast.

drums are still there this morning at around 10am... although they are not blocking the roads, lets hope it does not breed aedes mosquito while waiting for whatever they wants to do with it. SS18 is a hotspot for dangue.

jan tomaswaki
05-03-2010, 12:16 PM
wow, it is nice to see they respond to your email so fast.

drums are still there this morning at around 10am... although they are not blocking the roads, lets hope it does not breed aedes mosquito while waiting for whatever they wants to do with it. SS18 is a hotspot for dangue.
M'sia, mudah LUPA,why not hide the oil drums or sell to recycling plant. :D

tupai
06-03-2010, 03:28 PM
So which part of SJ/USJ still have not got oil drums on the road ? SS17,USJ6,( i think 2 only) Soon.... "Welcome USJ/SJ city of oil drums"-where you need permission to enter the public road....

Try drummin' that racket in my area and see!

Hell hath no fury like a tupai caged! :p

Yang Berfisting latotupai :cool:

tsd
07-03-2010, 02:39 AM
Try drummin' that racket in my area and see!

Hell hath no fury like a tupai caged! :p

Yang Berfisting latotupai :cool:

hahaha.. that will be very interesting ... SS17 have a big police station there lah. I will be very interesting if they dare to seal up the police station with oil drums.

Come to think of it. I am now quite surprised that SS18 is just next door to the SS17 police station and just across the road... they dare to set up drums illegally. Can you imagine, a place ( SS18 ) which is less than 1 Km away from a huge police station is considered so unsafe until it needs a G n G ?

jan tomaswaki
07-03-2010, 02:40 PM
this morning I noticed alot of oil drums suddenly appeared at some of the road junction in SS18/4. Looks like SS18/4 is turning into a G&G.
yesterday while passing by SS18/4,a lot of TONG MINYAK already place near the roadside.I think they are planning to ATTACK ,what i mean is the next morning they place in the middle of the road,then start to collect wang. :mad: Anyway i have new "STOCK" on oil drums from Ah Foo Hon :D

jan tomaswaki
07-03-2010, 02:46 PM
Try drummin' that racket in my area and see!

Hell hath no fury like a tupai caged! :p

Yang Berfisting latotupai :cool:
Next time if go to Zing Rest.also have to register,put petrol near his rest. also need to register :D :eek: Next time i'll call you "yang ber G n G latogoodbye

ksj_cool
08-03-2010, 11:36 AM
ok done, lord...send me now..

SCCheah
12-03-2010, 09:06 AM
STAR Metro (Central) today (Friday March 12, 2010) has Housing Minister saying that 100 per cent residents' support is a MUST for gated communities.

http://thestar.com.my/metro/story.asp?file=/2010/3/12/central/5835677&sec=central

azman0123
14-03-2010, 10:15 AM
Hi SCCheah.

You say you're formerly from Penang? Whereabouts in Penang? My family and I stayed in Penang state for 10 years

- Bagan Ajam, Bagan Jermal and Green Lane. Schooled in St. Marks Primary School and Penang Free. But all that was 30-40 years ago.


Anyway, Thanks for the link. The link is just to one article, but there's an even more interesting article on the same page of the physical paper. The second article is quite long. Permit me to write a gist about pertinent issues mentioned in the articles. Hope you don't mind.

I know the admin won't mind, as long as I don't copy and paste for the sake of IP rights.


100% consent needed for gated schemes.
======================================
RAs that want to turn their housing areas into guarded communities have to make sure that the security companies they hire, are registered with the Home Ministry.

Minister of Housing and Local Government, Datuk Seri Kong Cho Ha said that RAs MUST GET 100% (ONE HUNDRED PER CENT) CONSENT OF EVERY HOUSEHOLD in the neighbourhood.

Guidelines being compiled by the ministry include the DISALLOWING THE INSTALLATION OF BOOM GATES. The guidelines will soon be sent to the cabinet for approval.


MP says laws need to be amended. (You got to read this!)
================================
Planning lawyer, Derek Fernandez, says that any guidelines being prepared by the Selangor and Federal government will be ultra vires.

This is because there are two Acts Of Parliament that DIRECTLY PROHIBIT ANY RESTRICTION of access to any public road by a private individual or residents association. The said Acts are: The Street, Drainage and Building Act 1974 (Act 133); and the Road Transport Act 1987.

Segambut MP, Lim Lip Eng (also a lawyer) said that the laws would have to be amended before any guidelines could be enforced.

Fernandez says that "Currently, every guarded scheme in the city is illegal and the only way to legalise it is to amend both Acts; otherwise all the barricades, boom gates and steel drums obstructing public roads are and offence and can be challenged by anyone".


"People should not lull themselves into a false sense of security by thinking that the guidelines will protect them from legal action against the person who is determined to remove the barricades or who uses reasonable force in exercising his right to use the road".

Fernandez cites a few examples (I dont think they are real life; just to prove his point)
(1) A drunk driver crashes into a guard post near his guarded home and dies on the spot,
(2) The fire brigade could not reach a burning house in time, since the fastest route was barricaded, resulting in the whole house burning down and the entire family dying.
(3) Paramedics were not able to save a man suffering a heart attack, as the road was blocked by steel drums.

Fernandez says that in the above examples, the local authority (in our case, MPSJ?) and the RA (in our case, USJ2RA?, and the GnG committee?) can be sued for allowing the road to be obstructed.

Fernandez cites a further example where a resident wanting to take a shortcut, discovers the road is blocked, and a guard post with guard blocking his way. He gets into an argument and assaults the guard there.

In this case, the resident could take action against the RA for FALSE IMPRISONMENT.

Fernandez also says that insurance companies may not pay up for damaged vehicles involved in accidents in a GnG area because they could argue that it is not a public road.

----

Pity those residents living in the other parts of USJ that have to bear with the boom gates and the fencing and locked gates. I can't imagine living in a place like that. It's like living in Guantanamo. Why don't these people move to Cuba, instead?

P/S: If a group of residents can put up oil drums in the middle of the road (which I nearly didnt see, in the middle of the night, in USJ2), making a nuisance and hindering people, what's stopping another group putting up that would want to put up another set of 'hindrances'? What about concrete blocks? Or large timber?

tupai
14-03-2010, 04:30 PM
...
...
Fernandez says that "Currently, every guarded scheme in the city is illegal and the only way to legalise it is to amend both Acts; otherwise all the barricades, boom gates and steel drums obstructing public roads are and offence and can be challenged by anyone".


"People should not lull themselves into a false sense of security by thinking that the guidelines will protect them from legal action against the person who is determined to remove the barricades or who uses reasonable force in exercising his right to use the road".

Fernandez cites a few examples (I dont think they are real life; just to prove his point)
(1) A drunk driver crashes into a guard post near his guarded home and dies on the spot,
(2) The fire brigade could not reach a burning house in time, since the fastest route was barricaded, resulting in the whole house burning down and the entire family dying.
(3) Paramedics were not able to save a man suffering a heart attack, as the road was blocked by steel drums.

Fernandez says that in the above examples, the local authority (in our case, MPSJ?) and the RA (in our case, USJ2RA?, and the GnG committee?) can be sued for allowing the road to be obstructed.

Fernandez cites a further example where a resident wanting to take a shortcut, discovers the road is blocked, and a guard post with guard blocking his way. He gets into an argument and assaults the guard there.

In this case, the resident could take action against the RA for FALSE IMPRISONMENT.

Fernandez also says that insurance companies may not pay up for damaged vehicles involved in accidents in a GnG area because they could argue that it is not a public road.

----
?

Thanks Azman0123 for reminding those living in an illegal GnG environ. Ignorance of the law, is no excuse.

A false sense of GnG security prevails and GnG can open up a potential lawsuit!..be mindful that u guys there, are staring down the barrel of a legal suit, if any1 of the above hypothetical incident, was to happen at your GnG! A lawsuit can bankrupt a person, ok. Dont play play.

Just a friendly reminder that not many potential victims of such situ are ignorant Yang Blur sotong, ok.

Peace2 u...Go after the MPs & gomen for better PDRM policing. Thats the solution.

Yang Berkhidmat utk sendiri latotupai

kwchang
14-03-2010, 05:06 PM
You reported this very interesting article in TheStar (Metro pull-out edition, Friday 12 March 2010)....

...MP says laws need to be amended. (You got to read this!) Planning lawyer, Derek Fernandez, says...
But you stopped 2 paragraphs short of the whole article.

I need to be fair to readers (who do not subscribe or refuse to read TheStar) who may get only your view point as you posted. In the last part of the article, the reported had actually put in another quote by Derek Fernandez and the gist of it is actually ...

One way out of the problem with the law is to amend Section 46 by adding in the words - "unless approved by the local authority". If this is added and passed, the law will allow for such variation in the implementation of GnG as approved by the local authorities ....

You see, despite the fact that the Selangor govt's recommendation would be in violation of the Federal law, Fernandez (being a fair person) had shown a way out of the situation to accomodate the state government's and local government's guidelines.

I am posting this to provide a balanced reporting for those who have not read the paper in its entirety.

driftingrover
14-03-2010, 07:28 PM
guidelines will only be guidelines, local councils may give their premission with a clause that they shall be free of any indemities.

law is law , when it comes to the crunch, will the guidelines or the law prevail??

RA's think about that!!

tupai
14-03-2010, 08:08 PM
Y...

One way out of the problem with the law is to amend Section 46 by adding in the words - "unless approved by the local authority". If this is added and passed, the law will allow for such variation in the implementation of GnG as approved by the local authorities ....

You see, despite the fact that the Selangor govt's recommendation would be in violation of the Federal law, Fernandez (being a fair person) had shown a way out of the situation to accomodate the state government's and local government's guidelines.

I am posting this to provide a balanced reporting for those who have not read the paper in its entirety.

so...until such time it get amended. It is an offense, no? If Aye, then GnG RA etc would still be staring at a possible legal suit?
:confused:

Yang Blur sotong latotupai :confused:

SCCheah
14-03-2010, 11:39 PM
Hi Azman0123.

I was from the Bodhi Avenue area- off Anson Road in Penang. Born and bred there and from Penang Free School. I was formerly president of the Malaysian Japanese Society (in the 1980s)

Hi folks. I was invited by Bukit Kiara Properties Sdn Bhd- the developer of the Verve Suites in Mont Kiara to stay for 2 nights at their newly completed upmarket fully furnished condo on Friday and Saturday nights.

Instead of turning their top levels into penthouses and selling them this renowned developer has turned it into a very nice clubhouse complete with luxurious cineplex, large entertainment/lounge area (snooker table etc) and a large gym room overlooking Mont Kiara. Even the toilets have sauna and jacuzzi.

Anyway, I am not here to boast or give free publicity to the developer (you can read it in coming Friday's NST Property review). What I want to share with you is the kind of security system they have.

As an invited guest I can only gain access to any levels, sections etc using an access card. On the first night, after having a nice barbecue dinner on the rooftop garden, and about to sleep at 2am, I wondered whether I have switched off the lights of my car. I came downstairs and straight away, the professional guards appeared and very helpfully escorted me to the car park to check. My lights were off. I was told that actually I needn't do that as their guards are on patrol round the clock and if my car lights were on, they would know the car's owner by the parking bay and would call up the respective unit to inform the resident.

This is only one tiny aspect of how a properly managed security system can do. I am often exposed to this kind of experience but many of you thought I merely talk in my dream.

Yes, azman0123, there is a side story but I feel what fernandez has suggested is not so simple. I will elaborate on this in a future comment as I have to rush off an article tonight.

birdy
15-03-2010, 09:31 AM
Fernandez cites a few examples (I dont think they are real life; just to prove his point)
(1) A drunk driver crashes into a guard post near his guarded home and dies on the spot,
(2) The fire brigade could not reach a burning house in time, since the fastest route was barricaded, resulting in the whole house burning down and the entire family dying.
(3) Paramedics were not able to save a man suffering a heart attack, as the road was blocked by steel drums.

Fernandez says that in the above examples, the local authority (in our case, MPSJ?) and the RA (in our case, USJ2RA?, and the GnG committee?) can be sued for allowing the road to be obstructed.

Hmmm.. interesting facts here... just out of curiousity....can a road user claim car repair costs from the RAs if the vehicle absorber was damage by the illegal humps built by these RAs? :confused:

driftingrover
15-03-2010, 09:57 AM
Hmmm.. interesting facts here... just out of curiousity....can a road user claim car repair costs from the RAs if the vehicle absorber was damage by the illegal humps built by these RAs? :confused:

technically u could , but i guess it would be very difficult to prove those r illegal, moreover lawyer's fee would cost u more

birdy
15-03-2010, 10:17 AM
technically u could , but i guess it would be very difficult to prove those r illegal, moreover lawyer's fee would cost u more
They are illegal because they did not follow the standard of humps - they are sharp and built very close to each other. Moreover, there was no sign board indicating a hump.

Rhiga
15-03-2010, 02:24 PM
As an invited guest I can only gain access to any levels, sections etc using an access card. On the first night, after having a nice barbecue dinner on the rooftop garden, and about to sleep at 2am, I wondered whether I have switched off the lights of my car. I came downstairs and straight away, the professional guards appeared and very helpfully escorted me to the car park to check. My lights were off. I was told that actually I needn't do that as their guards are on patrol round the clock and if my car lights were on, they would know the car's owner by the parking bay and would call up the respective unit to inform the resident.

This is only one tiny aspect of how a properly managed security system can do. I am often exposed to this kind of experience but many of you thought I merely talk in my dream.


The security features you mentioned from your two-nights stay in the Verve Suites is nothing new. Many condominiums in the Klang valley are doing that.

The key is the consistency of a good security service, and this very much depends on the developer (before the formation of JMC), and the resident MC (management corporation) when they run the property themselves.

driftingrover
15-03-2010, 04:41 PM
They are illegal because they did not follow the standard of humps - they are sharp and built very close to each other. Moreover, there was no sign board indicating a hump.

birdy,
forget about those humps, if u hv the time n u r not afraid to be the black sheep in your area, if u r directly affected by these g n g thing, i suggest u go for it, make some money out of your misery. these g n g is breaking more laws then one, any lawyers can tell u that.

SCCheah
15-03-2010, 06:49 PM
The security features you mentioned from your two-nights stay in the Verve Suites is nothing new. Many condominiums in the Klang valley are doing that.

The key is the consistency of a good security service, and this very much depends on the developer (before the formation of JMC), and the resident MC (management corporation) when they run the property themselves.


Of course it is not new. I am just giving an example to show how efficient the guards are in this particular case.

Usually the security in upmarket condos are better (still not fool proof) than the medium cost apartments etc. Trouble with FnG (DIY style) like the ones in USJ is that the RAs are trying to close gaps here and there.

I have seen many types of condo and landed property security. Some are so comprehensive that they have a big central monitoring centre.

tupai
15-03-2010, 07:20 PM
Of course it is not new. I am just giving an example to show how efficient the guards are in this particular case.

Usually the security in upmarket condos are better...

I have seen many types of condo and landed property security. Some are so comprehensive that they have a big central monitoring centre.

I lburblur tink it almost like u r comparing hiring an elite troop of professional gurkhas to a bunch of no-training peasant bangladeshi/pakcik lah to fight the battle lah.

How much would these high end/good finishing condo owners pay a month4maintenance? 30-50sen/sft..compare to say court??10-15sen? How much kiara? Rm500-750/sft? versus Crt what Rm90-140? Or the poor chappie under the small umbrella in a gng?

kenot liddat compare lah. Xadil! :p

Yang Bo-matching latotupai :D

SCCheah
15-03-2010, 09:55 PM
The maintenance fees (security services and overall maintenance fees) of some very high-end residential developments with very few units can be over RM1,000 a month.

A deputy general manager of a company recently told me over lunch that she pays around RM700 a month for her MK Aman condo (2,000 to 3,000 sq ft) in Mont' Kiara.

The maintenance fee for Verve Suites is 30 sen per square foot plus another 3 sen for sinking fund.
So total is 33 sen. If your unit is say 826 sq ft, so it's 33 sen x 826. They are able to bring down the cost as there are slightly over 900 units (one tower has been completed while another one is almost finished).

One of the best security systems that I have seen is in Leisure Farm Resort, Gelang Patah, Johor. Gurkha guards- 3-tier security. Very professional, friendly, alert etc.

The Verve Suites case that I highlighted shows that their CCTV camera already spotted me coming down the lift and they came out to render assistance.

Of course there is a flip side to everything. Some residents may not want to be monitored everywhere they go.
See today's Star Metro. Gist of article is that RA reps say they are caught in a Catch22 dilemma- if no FnG kena robbed, if got FnG they are doing things illegally.
I beg to differ because as I have said many times (do not wish to repeat like a tape recorder again) the so-called Catch22 situation is self-inflicted. RAs etc cannot do things illegally for selfish ends.

So my simple suggestion is this (some points may be same as Fed gomen).

1. If your development is landed strata or pure strata titled - all internal roads belong to the residents- no issue- gate all you like, block all you like and every resident MUST pay maintenance charges just like living in a condo. If you fail to pay your unit can be sealed.

2. If a developer creates a new GnG development, properly planned with no through roads, not too big, cul-de-sac etc, but internal road is public road- you must have 100 per cent paying support. You cannot block public roads but can have guard house, boom gate and fencing/or high wall with CCTVs.

3. Existing townships like USJ: Definitely no blocking of public roads, no fencing, no oil drums, nothing except private security patrols engaged by residents who want to pay. No guard house and guards placing cones and checking on vehicles. Cannot force others to pay up. In other words, no messing around with existing schemes. Period.

The trouble as I see it is many USJ residents try to copy those upmarket ones and end up messing everything- barbed wires, oil drums, wholesale blocking of roads. Mana boleh!

azman0123
15-03-2010, 10:16 PM
I beg to differ because as I have said many times (do not wish to repeat like a tape recorder again) the so-called Catch22 situation is self-inflicted. RAs etc cannot do things illegally for selfish ends.
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The trouble as I see it is many USJ residents try to copy those upmarket ones and end up messing everything- barbed wires, oil drums, wholesale blocking of roads. Mana boleh!

Yeah, man! Tell em the way it is!

Rhiga
18-03-2010, 11:52 AM
The maintenance fees (security services and overall maintenance fees) of some very high-end residential developments with very few units can be over RM1,000 a month.

In SJ and most of PJ, it is around RM0.25-0.45/sqft. Add 10% of sinking fund, the total rate is around RM0.30-0.50/sqft.

If you stay in a 1800sqft condo, be prepare to pay RM600++. In my opinion, a 1800sqft is quite standard for family with 2 kids.

With the new Strata Title Act which was implemanted 2 years ago, the formula to calculate maintenance fee is link to the unit height i.e., on the identical floor space, higher floor will have to pay higher rate.

SCCheah
24-03-2010, 08:35 PM
Read the link:

http://thestar.com.my/metro/story.asp?file=/2010/3/24/central/5917775&sec=central

SJLOW
25-03-2010, 07:38 PM
This morning I see a lot of empty drums placed at the roads entering SS18. Presume it is for the gated security. Does anyone knows who is behind this?
Even Mdm Theresa does not know who is the organiser !


I stay in SS12 and I talked to a guy this morning. I saw him 3 morning already so I believe he must be a guy that "knows" something. The first thing I asked him was whether MPSJ approve all this "services", he said YES. So I said, if so, I believe there must be some paper or notice to show the residents here. He said he has but refused to show me and he added there is NO NEED to show anyone. Then he said 85% of the residents here agreed, so MPSJ "must auto approved" this guarded service. Then I told him I will call MPSJ to confirm and started walking away, he chanced after me and asked what is my house number. Now, where so worried if he gets all the proper documents? Why not challenge me when I said I will MPSJ?

I did call MPSJ, but the answer I got from them is this people did held a meeting with MPSJ and submitted their application but "MPSJ ambil maklum but tak approve" I told them what the indian guy said to me, MPSJ again replied, TIDAK PERNAH BAGI APPROVAL. then MPSJ asked me to contact KPJ.

I would like to know had anyone contacted KPJ? Does KPJ know what is going on?