USJ 2 GnG

[MickeyM]

Any comments on the newly launched service?
I do support and paid for the GnG but my neighbour objected ....

Any views?

[kudat]

what i do not understand is the following:
- what exactly do i get if i pay?
- who exactly will be responsible if there is any break in to my house?
- what is the role of the police in all this?
- will this means less patrolling by police? (not that i see them that often!!)
- am i not paying tax now to the government for security? will i be given a tax rebate for paying more since the government is suppose to provide me with this security from the tax i am paying
- USJ2 is quite porous, as far as 'fencing' and such are concern. how would security be improved?

By doing this 'privately', are we not paying double for what is supposedly to be provide via our taxes paid?

[jan tomaswaki]

Any comments on the newly launched service?
I do support and paid for the GnG but my neighbour objected ....

Any views?
Are you the GnG com. member,just because you block the bloody road somewhere near the banglow hse it cause a big jam right up to Zing's Rest.Those blardy kiasu,kiasi,sotong brain,cekai brain.Now ppl cannot turn left back home ,it is your grandfather jalan ! :mad: Just because of a few banglow they block the road causing hundreds of cars stuck in the jam after office hrs.Wish one day their love ones in emergency can't reach in time.If i were to stay there i'll make sure every nite i'll knock into those committee hse in the wee hrs of the morning everyday to drive them bonkers! :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: Councilar Rajiv you must do something !No ifs or buts

[MickeyM]

Regardless of being a member or not, I am one of the affected Residents of USJ 2. Depending on which perspectives you are looking, there are bound to be disagreements and unhappiness on all sides.

However, I am holding on to my personal views, until I and my family members review the whole exercise in 3 months' time.

[kwchang]

Are you the GnG com. member,just because you block the bloody road somewhere near the banglow hse it cause a big jam right up to Zing's Rest.Those blardy kiasu,kiasi,sotong brain,cekai brain.Now ppl cannot turn left back home ,it is your grandfather jalan ! :mad: Just because of a few banglow they block the road causing hundreds of cars stuck in the jam after office hrs.Wish one day their love ones in emergency can't reach in time.If i were to stay there i'll make sure every nite i'll knock into those committee hse in the wee hrs of the morning everyday to drive them bonkers! :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:...
Jan, this is not the way to post your opinion on the Forum. It violates all our rules on netiquette. Seeing that you have done a whole lot of violations in one post (name-calling, flaming, threatening and abusive language), I think you need a good rest at the plantation to cool off.

[fcloh]

me also affected resident in USj2. its already very jam even not GnG. and recently some roads already changed One Way around petronas and shell station. before that, not many cars jaming road 2/4, now started jam in the morning, even weekend. I heard lots of ppl chating about GnG in USJ2, some uncles said, what is the guard doing there???? He said like doing nothing, and waving hands. He added, pity the guard sit there day and nite. Thats what i heard.........

[rakyat]

what i do not understand is the following:
- what exactly do i get if i pay?
- who exactly will be responsible if there is any break in to my house?
- what is the role of the police in all this?
- will this means less patrolling by police? (not that i see them that often!!)
- am i not paying tax now to the government for security? will i be given a tax rebate for paying more since the government is suppose to provide me with this security from the tax i am paying
- USJ2 is quite porous, as far as 'fencing' and such are concern. how would security be improved?

By doing this 'privately', are we not paying double for what is supposedly to be provide via our taxes paid?

You are contributing to a fund with the objective of making the neighborhood (USJ2) a safer area. This is done by engaging a professional security company to provide static security guards and patrolling guards. Static guards are to monitor traffic moving into the residential areas and recording all unregistered cars. Patrolling guards are to patrol the residential area periodically, accompany unauthorized vehicles to their intended destination and to response to residence’s call in the event of an emergency.

At the end of the day it is RM50 per month or RM600 per year; which is probably less then the CMS alarm bill (this is the individual’s alternative).

Hopefully if we get enough support, you will also get parameter fencing.

This is not a guarantee that there will not be any more break-ins but it will act as a deterrent or will minimize the occurrence as we hope that the perpetrator go for other ‘softer’ targets.

Patrol by PDRM??? U must be staying in the ‘rich’ part coz the only time I see a patrol car is when a crime have just been reported. Nope they are not scouting for the culprit but to ‘investigate the premise’. Most of us also pay our taxes but if a burglary still happens can we sue the PDRM or the Government for negligence? Kindly advice me on the procedure as a ‘not so small minority’ in USJ2 will want to claim our grievances. Do you have so much faith in our current system that we feel that the FnG is redundant and that the PDRM is doing a sufficient job?

We have studied the parameter fencing option (infact I insisted that it should be done 1st) but currently the cost is just too high. Hence we are taking ‘baby steps’ in order to meet the CNY dateline (busy period for burglars).

Again there is no guarantee that USJ2 will be crime free, it is just another layer of preventive measure (1st layer being yourself)

[Firebird]

This is not a guarantee that there will not be any more break-ins but it will act as a deterrent or will minimize the occurrence as we hope that the perpetrator go for other ‘softer’ targets. Thanks for the comforting thought! :eek:

[MickeyM]

You are contributing to a fund with the objective of making the neighborhood (USJ2) a safer area. This is done by engaging a professional security company to provide static security guards and patrolling guards. Static guards are to monitor traffic moving into the residential areas and recording all unregistered cars. Patrolling guards are to patrol the residential area periodically, accompany unauthorized vehicles to their intended destination and to response to residence’s call in the event of an emergency.

At the end of the day it is RM50 per month or RM600 per year; which is probably less then the CMS alarm bill (this is the individual’s alternative).

Hopefully if we get enough support, you will also get parameter fencing.

This is not a guarantee that there will not be any more break-ins but it will act as a deterrent or will minimize the occurrence as we hope that the perpetrator go for other ‘softer’ targets.

Patrol by PDRM??? U must be staying in the ‘rich’ part coz the only time I see a patrol car is when a crime have just been reported. Nope they are not scouting for the culprit but to ‘investigate the premise’. Most of us also pay our taxes but if a burglary still happens can we sue the PDRM or the Government for negligence? Kindly advice me on the procedure as a ‘not so small minority’ in USJ2 will want to claim our grievances. Do you have so much faith in our current system that we feel that the FnG is redundant and that the PDRM is doing a sufficient job?

We have studied the parameter fencing option (infact I insisted that it should be done 1st) but currently the cost is just too high. Hence we are taking ‘baby steps’ in order to meet the CNY dateline (busy period for burglars).

Again there is no guarantee that USJ2 will be crime free, it is just another layer of preventive measure (1st layer being yourself)


Our family really look forward to have a parameter fencing. Besides acting as a deterrent for trespassing, I think the whole area will look neat.............hopefully price increase in our property....

[bslee]

Our family really look forward to have a parameter fencing. Besides acting as a deterrent for trespassing, I think the whole area will look neat.............hopefully price increase in our property....

Fencing, GnG, walls, high walls... thats what urban living have come to...people forced to live and protect their homes to the furthest extent possible for fear of security issues.
Just this weekend, was at Fraser's hill. so nice to see no such thing other than main gate in homes there. DAMN THIS COUNTRY and its values! :mad:

[tupai]

hahahahhaa...yes! yesterday 2 or 3 peep asked me why the road to usj jammed like teruk...
I said i dunno leh.

Now I know, its the left turning Persiaraan Tujuan to USJ2 (before traffic lights) thats been blocked by drums!
So peep cant turn or hve to slow down..causing bottle neck! hahahahaha.

kesian u all lah.

Yang Berkhidmnat sketsket utk ss17&19 only latotupai :p

[gtl]

Our family really look forward to have a parameter fencing. Besides acting as a deterrent for trespassing, I think the whole area will look neat.............hopefully price increase in our property....

rakyat, well done, hope all ends well. look forward to a safe USJ 2.

[Sentinel]

Our family really look forward to have a parameter fencing. Besides acting as a deterrent for trespassing, I think the whole area will look neat.............hopefully price increase in our property....In my opinion, I think the G&G is very badly planned. I was just driving along a while ago and the traffic jam caused by road closure and the oil drums caused a long long queue from SS18 to USJ2.

It is one thing to do a G&G and wish your property prices will increase and cause difficulties to the neighborhood and traffic. This is really selfish. I feel that you guys should really re-look at the perimeter again and try and not cause the crazy traffic jams that will occur daily during peak hours. This is really ridiculous.

[okang]

Could the jam be due to the pre CNY phenomenon, where traffic is particularly heavy?

Let's monitor the situation and see how it goes after CNY and during normal period.

[Sentinel]

I don't think either me nor anyone has any objection to G&G but it must be done as not to disrupt the traffic or cause invonveniences to others. I can understand how Jan Tomaswaki blew his top and flew off the handle coz I went thru a damn long queue this evening too, thank Allah I don't stay there.... just passing by. I think Jan stays around there and has to pass thru EVERYDAY! Poor guy, no wonder he flew off-tangent!

[gtl]

I don't think either me nor anyone has any objection to G&G but it must be done as not to disrupt the traffic or cause invonveniences to others. I can understand how Jan Tomaswaki blew his top and flew off the handle coz I went thru a damn long queue this evening too, thank Allah I don't stay there.... just passing by. I think Jan stays around there and has to pass thru EVERYDAY! Poor guy, no wonder he flew off-tangent!


senti, i can understand that, will hv to see how the gng is being done this CNY before can comment. i was just glad they got it off the ground.
i think the committee deserve feedbacks and not slaps.

[tupai]

hahahahha..its the UNusual jam lah...and just came about 3days ago, when the usj2 turn off, was drummed up and guarded by a solidary Rm3.00/hr foreigner (?) uniformed guard :p

My sharp observation :p

My advice? Buy and ride a motorbike lah. Less stress...also can whack the side mirrors of recalcitrant driver. Not me ah! I saw only. :D

Yang Boleh ketuk latotupai :p

[zinglicious]

I don't think either me nor anyone has any objection to G&G but it must be done as not to disrupt the traffic or cause invonveniences to others. I can understand how Jan Tomaswaki blew his top and flew off the handle coz I went thru a damn long queue this evening too, thank Allah I don't stay there.... just passing by. I think Jan stays around there and has to pass thru EVERYDAY! Poor guy, no wonder he flew off-tangent!

Unless it is being gazetted as a GnG and not a public access road as in some of the gated country homes, it doesnt makes sense at all. I do understand if crime is a problem but having a GnG with a rm3 per hour to secure the premise? False sense of security as proven where I lived where gated and ctvv failed to stop a Proton and a Harrier being stolen in the resident parking lot.Nobody gives a hoot about gated condo but blocking the access road which inconvenience other residents in the surrounding area and causing massive jammed packed which Jan correctly which is presumed and would be real as 2012 - somebody might be having problem when there is a real emergence.like accident or fire in the bungalows.
I am sorry that the words used by Jan is deemed to be a violation in USJ.com etiquette where it was in general, not in particular named persons. But I feel him, He is not flaming anybody but my man is inflamed and disgusted with the attitude of some bungalow owners who instead of hiring walkaround guards with proper gears, they simply just put some drum or iron to block the access road. At least, he is mad about some thing which gotten out of hand He is d he is trying to make sense out of it. For that, I would give him a banana liqour desserts to make him feel better. :) :cool: :)

[rakyat]

me also affected resident in USj2. its already very jam even not GnG. and recently some roads already changed One Way around petronas and shell station. before that, not many cars jaming road 2/4, now started jam in the morning, even weekend. I heard lots of ppl chating about GnG in USJ2, some uncles said, what is the guard doing there???? He said like doing nothing, and waving hands. He added, pity the guard sit there day and nite. Thats what i heard.........

The 1 way street along petronas and shell was not a FnG initiative; it was implemented by MPSJ. The guards are there to 'monitor' traffic mving into the area; once the residence received and use their car stickers, the Guards will start doing their duties but only after peak hours in order to minimise the hassle for the public. The uncles will complaint that the guards are 'doing their job'

[rakyat]

In my opinion, I think the G&G is very badly planned. I was just driving along a while ago and the traffic jam caused by road closure and the oil drums caused a long long queue from SS18 to USJ2.

It is one thing to do a G&G and wish your property prices will increase and cause difficulties to the neighborhood and traffic. This is really selfish. I feel that you guys should really re-look at the perimeter again and try and not cause the crazy traffic jams that will occur daily during peak hours. This is really ridiculous.

I talk the route quite often during peak hours and most traffic do not turn into 2/6 as there are too many speed bumps. The slip road at the trafficlight junction is relatively smooth most of the time except when there is some q-cutter blocking it. Our traffic committee also did a study on the matter before implementation guess we need to reconsider. BTW the drums are only suppose to be there after peak hours.

It is done with the objective of improving the security of the neigborhood not to increase property prices.

[hezron]

Could the jam be due to the pre CNY phenomenon, where traffic is particularly heavy?

Let's monitor the situation and see how it goes after CNY and during normal period.

guess the morning jamming out of USJ is the usual CNY jam...
normally happen only the week before CNY, then get ease after the CNY...

the weekend jam is mainly caused by the USJ2/USJ4/USJ5 junctions traffic light on Persiaran Tujuan...
timing totally gone wrong and every one are hold up by the 40/50 sec green light to enter USJ...

[Sentinel]

Our family really look forward to have a parameter fencing. Besides acting as a deterrent for trespassing, I think the whole area will look neat.............hopefully price increase in our property.... Attention Rakyat, see the Committee members remarked highlighted above....

[KahHeng]

what i do not understand is the following:
- what exactly do i get if i pay?
- who exactly will be responsible if there is any break in to my house?
- what is the role of the police in all this?
- will this means less patrolling by police? (not that i see them that often!!)
- am i not paying tax now to the government for security? will i be given a tax rebate for paying more since the government is suppose to provide me with this security from the tax i am paying
- USJ2 is quite porous, as far as 'fencing' and such are concern. how would security be improved?

By doing this 'privately', are we not paying double for what is supposedly to be provide via our taxes paid?

if you ask me:
- you get added security (but not guaranteed security)
- As per above, there is no guarantee.. GnG increases hurdle but does not totally prevents break-ins. I know of a friend of mine who lives in a GnG area who still got his house broken-in in the wee hours of the morning.
-With GnG, you are given a sense of security that your house is being guarded at all time. IMHO, PDRM is spreaded too thin to be of good security to any community but the ruling party politicians houses and their mistresses houses... :P
- I do see police patroling the road along my house. It is not to say they do not do it.. but the frequency is much reduced. My question is would the reduction in police patrolling (if it does happen) in GnG area increase possible break-ins? I think the fence and the guards stationed is already a big hindrance.
- you pay tax not only for PDRM to safe guard your house. The tax goes to the armymen who partol the jungles, the marine and navy who partol our sea coasts and the airforce to buy new jet engines to replace the stolen ones :P Seriously, it is not all about tax being used to safe guard ones home.. it is more than that.. if your perception is that paying tax = govt must save guard your house, does that mean you need no longer purchase locks and keys?..

Security works in opposition to convenience.. so, more security = less convenience... so, it all depends how the community can come to an agreement for a balance between these 2 factors.. to you may be more on convenience, to your neighbour, he might be paranoid in safety of his family, thus, he wants maximum security.. so, best to strike a compromise..

and yes, GnG can cause unwanted jams.. those are the spill off in security over convenience of the area community to by passers..

look at it this way, if you think a home alarm is better than a GnG, by all means, install one at home and do not contribute to the GnG. Oh, btw, installation of a home alarm does not pass the bucket of responsibilities of break-ins to the alarm company.. :cool:

[MickeyM]

I talk the route quite often during peak hours and most traffic do not turn into 2/6 as there are too many speed bumps. The slip road at the trafficlight junction is relatively smooth most of the time except when there is some q-cutter blocking it. Our traffic committee also did a study on the matter before implementation guess we need to reconsider. BTW the drums are only suppose to be there after peak hours.

It is done with the objective of improving the security of the neigborhood not to increase property prices.

The ultimate Objective is Safety & Security of our neighbourhood and our homes, rest of which is secondary...........hope it clarifies

[jan tomaswaki]

senti, i can understand that, will hv to see how the gng is being done this CNY before can comment. i was just glad they got it off the ground.
i think the committee deserve feedbacks and not slaps.
I'm back again after 2 days ,while in detention camp ,sipping some 1994 reserved spainish wine.OK back to this subject,can any USJ 2 committees furnish how many crimes reported in USJ2 be it big or small ? Just because some blur sotong fancy doing GnG oops! now FnG .Don't just set up just because other USJ's do it ,i'll follow lah,got prestige mah!Everyday crimes occur everywhere just like road accidents.Furnish the details did crime in USJ 2 that crime infested !

[Fang Su]

I am simply astonished that the people who oppose most violently to USJ2 GnG do not even live in USJ2. They do not even live in USJ. They do not even live in SJ. So it makes me wonder why are they so concerned about how USJ2 residents want or not want to have GnG or not to live their lives with their families.

[Fang Su]

Unless it is being gazetted as a GnG and not a public access road as in some of the gated country homes, it doesnt makes sense at all. I do understand if crime is a problem but having a GnG with a rm3 per hour to secure the premise? False sense of security as proven where I lived where gated and ctvv failed to stop a Proton and a Harrier being stolen in the resident parking lot.Nobody gives a hoot about gated condo but blocking the access road which inconvenience other residents in the surrounding area and causing massive jammed packed which Jan correctly which is presumed and would be real as 2012 - somebody might be having problem when there is a real emergence.like accident or fire in the bungalows.
I am sorry that the words used by Jan is deemed to be a violation in USJ.com etiquette where it was in general, not in particular named persons. But I feel him, He is not flaming anybody but my man is inflamed and disgusted with the attitude of some bungalow owners who instead of hiring walkaround guards with proper gears, they simply just put some drum or iron to block the access road. At least, he is mad about some thing which gotten out of hand He is d he is trying to make sense out of it. For that, I would give him a banana liqour desserts to make him feel better. :) :cool: :)

I do wish people would check the facts carefully before jumping onto the bandwagon and slammed USJ2 GnG initiative. The traffic congestion is not caused by the presence of drums in USJ2 turn-off. Please drive along this stretch again during peak hours and determine for yourself. Do not jump on the bandwagon with guns blazing based on hearsay.

[jan tomaswaki]

I do wish people would check the facts carefully before jumping onto the bandwagon and slammed USJ2 GnG initiative. The traffic congestion is not caused by the presence of drums in USJ2 turn-off. Please drive along this stretch again during peak hours and determine for yourself. Do not jump on the bandwagon with guns blazing based on hearsay.
After i was ban , they remove some tongs for easier turning .The road is a emergengcy road i n case accidents occur.Remember one Saturdays a lorry ladden with eggs turn turtle .This road also leads us to USJ 6,9,summit,mpsj.usj1 giant,mydin.....Poor lorry duck man selling roast duck near the padang and the salt chicken.How to buy when i have to register to GO TO A PUBLIC ROAD!

[zinglicious]

All along I thought the drums were played up by Tupai and Jan :rolleyes: :D :rolleyes:
Most people care what is important to them - me too! And I mean to care what if my relatives who is is staying in USJ2 had heart attack upon seeing the house on fire but the fire bridgade or ambulance could get there in time to respond.
Either for or against, I am not astonished at what people think to know what is best for them. Me too, I think sometimes I should shoot some people when they look suspiciously at my neighbourhood. :rolleyes: :D :rolleyes:
Either I am staying at USJ or USA, if people tend to do whatever to thier whims and fancy without considering the feelings of the community, it is cowboy attitude which is shoot first, talk later!

[currymee]

.....Poor lorry duck man selling roast duck near the padang and the salt chicken.How to buy when i have to register to GO TO A PUBLIC ROAD!

Invite the roast duck fellow to set up shop in USJ4/1 area, UNGUARED and UNGATED (U&U) :D - save me a trip to USJ2 for his delicious meat. :)

[CCY]

I am simply astonished that the people who oppose most violently to USJ2 GnG do not even live in USJ2. They do not even live in USJ. They do not even live in SJ. So it makes me wonder why are they so concerned about how USJ2 residents want or not want to have GnG or not to live their lives with their families.
Now that you mentioned...how sure are you that they are not from usj2 or usj or do not have an interest in usj2...?
Huh...I'm astonished that you can come to such a conclusion . Are you trying to barricade yourself to a corner and be oblivious to what this action on gng has on others that may be out of usj now but have an interest in usj2 ...?

[zinglicious]

BTW, I have seen many GnG jagas either sleeping on the job and even strumming the guitars at the guard post. I have yet to see efficient jagas , whatmore foreigners who couldnt speak proper bahasa or inglish apprehending would be robbers ransacking the house or cars.
I still trust the cops in blue, just that we have to make sure the govt get the priority right to put more patrol cars on the street instead of spending some jet engines and subramarines to combat preceived enemies. Crimes are the real enemy of the rakyat as safety and freedom should be the first fundamentals for the govt and not for some people who gung ho about security.:eek: :rolleyes: :eek:

[Fang Su]

BTW, I have seen many GnG jagas either sleeping on the job and even strumming the guitars at the guard post. I have yet to see efficient jagas , whatmore foreigners who couldnt speak proper bahasa or inglish apprehending would be robbers ransacking the house or cars.
I still trust the cops in blue, just that we have to make sure the govt get the priority right to put more patrol cars on the street instead of spending some jet engines and subramarines to combat preceived enemies. Crimes are the real enemy of the rakyat as safety and freedom should be the first fundamentals for the govt and not for some people who gung ho about security.:eek: :rolleyes: :eek:

Fair enough comment. I can accept reasoned views such as this.

[Fang Su]

Now that you mentioned...how sure are you that they are not from usj2 or usj or do not have an interest in usj2...?
Huh...I'm astonished that you can come to such a conclusion . Are you trying to barricade yourself to a corner and be oblivious to what this action on gng has on others that may be out of usj now but have an interest in usj2 ...?

I am quite sure. :D

[zinglicious]

I always said I am mean - I meant what I say. :cool: ;) :cool:
BTW, who knows that I might be moving to usj as I am having the trouble of driving stress from Bandar Sri Damansara? :D :eek: :D

[CCY]

I am quite sure. :D
.......in barricading yourself to a corner...???

[driftingrover]

The ultimate Objective is Safety & Security of our neighbourhood and our homes, rest of which is secondary...........hope it clarifies

be damned to the rest??

[driftingrover]

.............hopefully price increase in our property....

is this not the issue??

[driftingrover]

.Now ppl cannot turn left back home ,it is your grandfather jalan ! :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: Councilar Rajiv you must do something !No ifs or buts

big stone quashed the crab

traffic jam? what jam? let it jam lah!!

[Fang Su]

.......in barricading yourself to a corner...???

I made an observation. You may not agree with it. That is your right. But I am not going to go into a protracted discussion or argument with you. Unlike you, I do not have all the time in the world.

[RolyPoly]

I talk the route quite often during peak hours and most traffic do not turn into 2/6 as there are too many speed bumps. The slip road at the trafficlight junction is relatively smooth most of the time except when there is some q-cutter blocking it. Our traffic committee also did a study on the matter before implementation guess we need to reconsider. BTW the drums are only suppose to be there after peak hours.

It is done with the objective of improving the security of the neigborhood not to increase property prices.

Rakyat, I agree with you that not many cars turn into USJ2 immediately after the flyover during peak hours as there are too many speed bumps on 2/6. I like using this road as traffic is very low. But many of my friends/neighbours complaint of the bumps. So, the traffic jam should not be created by slowing traffic caused by the drums placed at this junction.

[rakyat]

Rakyat, I agree with you that not many cars turn into USJ2 immediately after the flyover during peak hours as there are too many speed bumps on 2/6. I like using this road as traffic is very low. But many of my friends/neighbours complaint of the bumps. So, the traffic jam should not be created by slowing traffic caused by the drums placed at this junction.

Long time no see (Saturday meeting), what happend? You joined the 'Naysayers' to our FnG?

To Moderator Chang,

There is currently another active tread on USJ2 FnG in GnG section, I feel this discussion is more appropritate to be under that section and that particular tread. Can we close this and those who are still interested in the discussion move over to GnG section?

[RolyPoly]

Our family really look forward to have a parameter fencing. Besides acting as a deterrent for trespassing, I think the whole area will look neat.............hopefully price increase in our property....

I hope the whole area opposite Summit Mall will look neat after the FnG is up. Many people who go to Summit prefer to park their cars at USJ2 & walk across to Summit ~ not sure if they are trying to save from paying parking fee or it's just convenient for them. But their convenience is creating a lot of inconvenience to residents living nearby. Some residents even have problem driving their cars into their porch as their gate are blocked.

I am hoping that the FnG will be implemented SOON!

[jan tomaswaki]

big stone quashed the crab

traffic jam? what jam? let it jam lah!!
Fren what are you trying to vomit out :mad: imagine ambulance come,drums block the road ,those buta-huruf-tidak faham bahasa melayu atau ingris only faham Bangla how?We are talking life and death situation here.

[jan tomaswaki]

I hope the whole area opposite Summit Mall will look neat after the FnG is up. Many people who go to Summit prefer to park their cars at USJ2 & walk across to Summit ~ not sure if they are trying to save from paying parking fee or it's just convenient for them. But their convenience is creating a lot of inconvenience to residents living nearby. Some residents even have problem driving their cars into their porch as their gate are blocked.

I am hoping that the FnG will be implemented SOON!
The road they park, is public road,whatever they park is not your or my business.If they found to obstruct your gate ,call the police.But i don't think default parkers are that stupid to park in people's froint gate

[kwchang]

... ambulance come,drums block the road...
I believe all RA's (protem or registered) have pledged to MPSJ that all public utility vehicles have unobstructed free passage .... otherwise, they would not be allowed to operate. Thus, you can expect passage for Ambulance, Police, FireBrigade, AlamFlora, IndahWater, Telekom, TNB, Syabas

Let us not presume that these have not been taken into consideration ... because the FnG people are simply inconveniencing themselves :D :p

[RolyPoly]

Long time no see (Saturday meeting), what happend? You joined the 'Naysayers' to our FnG?



I am all in support for the FnG! Even join the VPU in order to get the security of our suburb improved!

[RolyPoly]

I believe all RA's (protem or registered) have pledged to MPSJ that all public utility vehicles have unobstructed free passage .... otherwise, they would not be allowed to operate. Thus, you can expect passage for Ambulance, Police, FireBrigade, AlamFlora, IndahWater, Telekom, TNB, Syabas

Let us not presume that these have not been taken into consideration ... because the FnG people are simply inconveniencing themselves :D :p

Exactly!! We have engaged the Police & Fire Brigade when implementing the GnG.

[driftingrover]

FnG people are simply inconveniencing themselves :D :p

it is alright when u r incoveniencing yourself , but when u inconvenience others , that is the issue.

[driftingrover]

Fren what are you trying to vomit out :mad: imagine ambulance come,drums block the road ,those buta-huruf-tidak faham bahasa melayu atau ingris only faham Bangla how?We are talking life and death situation here.

what i m trying to say is they (G%G or F%G) think they r right n they will never be wrong, no matter what others say.

[Fang Su]

Exactly!! We have engaged the Police & Fire Brigade when implementing the GnG.

Yes. You are right. We have done everything above board and have invited as many residents as possible to give their views - even those with very strong views against the GnG. There will always be differences in views and all matters can be discussed civilly. It gets a bit difficult when people start getting confrontational and violent and calling people all sorts of names based on assumptions or on hearsays. Or people jumping on the bandwagon because they feel that they must say something to support their friends. It is a very noble act to support their friends but at least, please, get the facts right first before starting a tirade.

:)

[joni]

. . . There will always be differences in views and all matters can be discussed civilly. It gets a bit difficult when people start getting confrontational and violent and calling people all sorts of names based on assumptions or on hearsays. Or people jumping on the bandwagon because they feel that they must say something to support their friends. . .
:)

The project already started 2 and approaching 3 weeks. I hope the community can start a new beginning after CNY celebration.

To begin with, maybe they can inform their fren about the Project and encourage them to join the club. Create awareness among neighbours, those they meet at the parks, Masjid or nearby business centre.

Equip themselve with positive thinking by spreading the benefits of the project, I am sure rate of participation will increase, collection will increase, follow by increased nos of guards and even we can get the fence up earlier than expected.

Stop posting any negative thought about the Project if we want the Project to suceed.

Disregard of which school of thought you belong, it is a fact that " Sucess bring benefits, Failure bring misery".

[SCCheah]

joni,

You posted the same comment as in the other thread? :confused:



You say: " Sucess bring benefits, Failure bring misery".


But success of your FnG will actually bring a lot of misery to many people who will have to live in your kind of "prison". They are such eye-sores that they are psychologically devastating, frustrating and potentially dangerous.

Please go and stay in a condo if you feel very insecured.

Many FnG schemes as I mentioned before are not transparent enough. The RAs claim to have done this and that.Where are all the approvals from the authorities? Even with approvals they are all illegal.

I suspect many of you forummers are youngsters who may not be well informed. So please read the newspapers etc rather than simply bulldoze your way in setting up FnG.

[Fang Su]

I suspect many of you forummers are youngsters who may not be well informed.

You suspected and presumed wrongly.

And anyway what has youth got to do with it? As I have mentioned in another thread, I have met and known many people in their early 20s who are incredibly intelligent, humble, wise and emotionally matured; and I have also met and known many people in their late 50s who behave like adolescents, full of themselves (hot air keeps on re-circulating and sound like a broken record due to blocked exit) and are complete imbeciles. Wisdom does not come with age.

:)

[SCCheah]

I had a nap just now- so hot in this current weather- also bitten by mosquitoes- maybe from those oil drums. Ha! ha!

Fang shu- I have also met people in their 20s and 30s- very intelligent, highly qualified and even newly elected politicians who are so arrogant, self assured and, as you said full of hot air- also emotionally immatured- they think the world owes them a living, they steamroll their ideas without regards to the wishes of others...worse, they have no respect for their elders who have more wisdom than all their qualifications. They forget others eat more salt than they eat rice. Some became managers after rolling here and there but boom, because of their lack of experience, their lack of understanding and their incompetency show and they are gone (sacked etc).
All these FnG thing looks like a frenzy to do things without thinking through properly and I suspect vanguards of some politicians become over enthusiastic and whacked dissenters. Instead of being understanding, they ridicule others when they lose in arguments or feel their little schemes being threatened. They call people names (like small heart, small brains and imbeciles, broken records). Sigh, what has the world come to?
Fortunately, I am bringing up my kids not only in a knowledgeable way but to have compassion and wisdom. My daughter is often beside me watching my postings and others (believe it or not) and she is learning that out there, are many people who will not hesitate to run down others.

[joni]

Someone say,
1) ... bitten by mosquitoes- maybe from those oil drums. Ha! ha! Its a brutal accussation, not professional.

2) They forget others eat more salt than they eat rice.
This is ONLY an old saying that I heard some 25 years ago. Only very old people use that phrase. In 21st century, professional don't buy that anymore.

3) They call people names (like small heart, small brains and imbeciles, broken records). Some how it does reflect their characteristics. I do agreed.

3) My daughter is often beside me watching my postings and others (believe it or not) and she is learning . . . I opine no mother will do that. I also won't do that simply because some of these posting are accusation and revengeful.

[SCCheah]

Someone say,
1) ... bitten by mosquitoes- maybe from those oil drums. Ha! ha! Its a brutal accussation, not professional.

2) They forget others eat more salt than they eat rice.
This is ONLY an old saying that I heard some 25 years ago. Only very old people use that phrase. In 21st century, professional don't buy that anymore.

3) They call people names (like small heart, small brains and imbeciles, broken records). Some how it does reflect their characteristics. I do agreed.

3) My daughter is often beside me watching my postings and others (believe it or not) and she is learning . . . I opine no mother will do that. I also won't do that simply because some of these posting are accusation and revengeful.


Thanks joni for revealing yourself more and more!

[joni]

Please go and stay in a condo if you feel very insecured.


How can someone say that.

I stay in my USJ area , you stay in yours area.

You are so ignorance :confused: , what make you so sure condo living is better than GnG residential area ? :D :D :D

[SCCheah]

Fang Su says:

I am afraid the (poor) mental health of a person cannot be eradicated through waging a personal war in a community forum against imaginary enemies. A person needs to see a pychiatrist. You know. The type that makes a person lies down on a couch and goes back to his past to talk about his unhappy childhood and so on.


Oh my...oh my...I hope everyone can read this. I don't need to say more. Trouble is, the writer herself/himself didn't even know how revealing of the person's character she/he has written.

[SCCheah]

How can someone say that.

I stay in my USJ area , you stay in yours area.

You are so ignorance :confused: , what make you so sure condo living is better than GnG residential area ? :D :D :D



Still unhappy and want to argue till the donkeys come home?

[joni]

Still unhappy and want to argue till the donkeys come home?

You are definitely WRONG my friend (if you allow me to call you friend).

Just to let you know, I am VERY HAPPY & I DID NOT argue.

I am positive & forward thinking.

I only come in to HELP (those who failed to comprehend).

My advise to you : Just be happy & don't hurt yourself.

[Sentinel]

Thanks joni for revealing yourself more and more!You feel proud your daughter is sitting beside you reading all these you are posting? Arguing and being stubborn about things?

[SCCheah]

Oh yes, she is learning how immature and unreasonable some people are- better than text books.

She is learning how some people do not arm themselves with facts and continue blankly- like shooting with blanks.

As a parent and a veteran journalist I also cut out newspapers clippings about con jobs, robberies etc and file them under Streetwise and my kids learn fast about the kind of con jobs and crimes etc.

They even know about the FnG issues - unlike some people who still do not admit their wrongs. When they keep on posing silly questions and I am forced to reason with them, they call people like me old record players.

Yes, my kids are not only advanced in their years of thinking but balanced. She doesn't think daddy is stubborn about things but feel proud of me that despite all the silly attacks, I still stood up to them. So sentinel- stubborn about what- stubborn that I do not crack and succumb to the pro-FnG onslaught?
USJ is not only threatened by criminals but by utterly selfish people who block roads etc. My daughter got it. Didn't you?

[joni]

Why the mysterious guy say thanks :confused:

He said : ... bitten by mosquitoes- maybe from those oil drums. Ha! ha!
I said : Its a brutal accussation, not professional.

He said : ... They forget others(old ppl) eat more salt than they eat rice.
I said : This is ONLY an old saying that I heard some 25 years ago. Only very old people use that phrase. In 21st century, professional don't buy that anymore.

He said : ... They call people names (like small heart, small brains and imbeciles, broken records).
I said : Some how it does reflect their characteristics. I do agreed.

He said : ... My daughter is often beside me watching my postings and others (believe it or not) and she is learning . . .
I said : I opine no mother will do that. I also won't do that simply because some of these posting are accusation and revengeful.

[SCCheah]

See what I mean... keep it up your clowning joni! Go and enjoy your CNY. If you have too much time to spare, read up some old newspapers especially about the FnG issue that have been published in newspapers like The Star/NSt and some Chinese newspapers. You don't read newspapers except this website? No? Yes? No wonder!

[SCCheah]

Sentinel- you said below:

I don't think either me nor anyone has any objection to G&G but it must be done as not to disrupt the traffic or cause invonveniences to others. I can understand how Jan Tomaswaki blew his top and flew off the handle coz I went thru a damn long queue this evening too, thank Allah I don't stay there.... just passing by. I think Jan stays around there and has to pass thru EVERYDAY! Poor guy, no wonder he flew off-tangent!


With due respect, there are plenty of people against the FnG. The fact that you all still refer it to GnG shows you all have not been reading up comments nor newspapers. I also used GnG initially but since then the Selangor state government have changed the term. When I repeat things like this, I am called a broken record player. Ha! Ha!.

An example of the denial attitude is when someone commented that response for the FnG is poor in USJ2/2 or something. And that person said it's apathy etc. While apathy could be one of the reasons, the fact is many people won't even waste their time like me giving their views on this website because like what my kids' day care centre operator said: "fai si tung gor ti fei yen gon wah" (Cantonese) Are you Cantonese- know what it means?

Many residents are smarter than many of you think.

[kwchang]

I will close this thread for the time being as I will be too busy on Wed 17th to monitor and moderate.

As of now, I see SCCheah and Joni are engaging in a direct confrontation. This violates Rule 2 -


Be Civil

a. No attacks, threats, insults, name-calling or inflamed speech for the sake of argument.
b. Personal arguments must be carried out away from the public discussion forum and dealt with in private. Please use the Private Messaging (PM) and email systems instead.

I have no choice but to send both to cool off in the plantation. I cannot take the risk for more conflagration from them while I am busy.