USJ4/1-2 (AMAN) - extracted by admin

[SCCheah]

Dear USJ Aman RA committee members,

Please don't follow what the others are doing and get so frightened and pressured as to turn our lovely USJ4/1 area into another prison.

Have you driven around?

What do you see?

There are countless fencing, boom gates, oil drums and barbed wires everywhere.

Who asked you to do this? Do you know this can break out into a neighbourhood "war"?

True, crime rates have risen in recent years. As you know by now by reading my recent comments, I have been a victim thrice but I strongly feel we are giving in to pressure from certain self-interested quarters.

There are talks planted by certain people to further frighten us that robbers will now concentrate on non-GnGs. Are these people the crooks themselves?

I understand we have a commandant of a security firm living in our area. Is he involved in this GnG?

Britons suffered a great terrorist attack in London but they faced up to the terrorists. Who are these security companies? You know and I know deep in our hearts that it is not just a simple matter of inconvenience but I fear we are allowing total strangers to watch our every movement.

It is better for all of us to know each other better and sincerely look out for each other.

I know I am sticking my neck out by revealing my identity but that's life. If we keep on hiding and letting others rule our lives and movements it won't get us anywhere. Yes, some of you may say I am an a@#$e hole but I am as concerned over my family as all of you but definitely this is not the way to do it.

We seem to be caught in a modern day form of paying protection money...

I do not wish to see a day when we may clash in court.

Thank you.

[SCCheah]

currymee and umadavid,

Both of you seem to work in a pair.

Are you residents of USJ 4/1?

Are you unhappy that we the residents have spoken? The fact that some of them have not bothered to reply may not be tidak-apa attitude. They may see it as plain stupid. How come you seem to know USJ4/1 committee members so well? Are you one of the interested groups?


As I said before, there may be people who push very hard for FnG because of self interest- be it political agenda, money or what not.

This is not the end because from what I understand, the matter is going to be blown apart with more calls for the FnGs to be dismantled.

You may feel peace of mind-that's your right. But if my area is to have FnG I will have more fear because of those guards who may not be reliable.

All these FnGs are infringing on the rights of the public and gives a false sense of security.

When I initiated the back lane gates in USJ 4/1, I got almost 100 per cent support from the residents of two long roads there. Only three or four residents did not pay up the RM100 contribution for the four backlane gates.

Is this apathy? Trouble with some of the pro FnG people is that they are so selfish in protecting their own safety that they do not care about the feelings or road safety of the others. If they are unhappy living in an open concept USJ, they should sell their houses and move out to a ready-made GnG community.

The guards are so arrogant these days they even yell back at members of the public. When I nearly crashed into many oil drums that have suddenly sprouted in USJ2 last night, I told one guard that I will report to the police. His answer: "Go and report!"
So I made my police report and I will be lodging a formal complain with MPSJ and more!!

[umadavid]

why r those not supportive being labelled free loaders? so what u r saying is that because u see it fit, everyone must follow?
Sry no comment, you are free to draw your own conclusions :cool:

[umadavid]

[QUOTE=SCCheah]currymee and umadavid,

Both of you seem to work in a pair.

Are you residents of USJ 4/1?QUOTE]
Pls read my post and you will know if I am from there or not? Your arriving at these conclusions are all skewed, so not logical but you are welcomed to it as they are indeed yours...like I said...each to his own.

[currymee]

currymee and umadavid,

Both of you seem to work in a pair.

Are you residents of USJ 4/1? .....



Yes, I am a resident for the last 15 years and owned the same property after buying it from the landlord a few years ago, as for umadavid, I have absolutely no idea, go ask him/her yourself ...... That he/she just happens to have the same line of thought and concerns as me are purely coincidental.

I am helping out the ex-RA coz I know the people who volunteered, their sincerity, belief in community spirit, efforts and good intentions .... I support people who have good intentions and community spirit, and if that is a crime, then I am guilty. One of them has been my neighbour for the last 8 years.

As for USJ4/1-2 area, I have absolutely no idea what will happen to the area next or any sorts of alternative community safety programmes like Neighbourhood Watch (NW) or night patrols, but based on what I have been told, it looks like it is "chee-kay-po-chong" (Sdn Bhd) - everyone for himself/herself.

BTW, owning an Alsatian dog is not cheap - cost more than G&G, after I was given the cost and maintenance estimate just now :eek: , but the puppy is cute :p - but definitely more reliable!! I will look for a mongrel dog now !! :p

[lord]

...We don't even mind supporting the 10% of free loaders (who knows what difficulties they might be facing in coming up with the RM40/per month)

Each to his own. I emphatise.

And HOW DARE YOU LABEL THE ONES THAT DON"T SUPPORT AS FREE_LOADERS????!!!!! :mad: . And what if I called you ppl as BLATANT FANATICS no different then TALIBANS??!!! Include your family with that!! Do you like that term?

Just because you see it fit to support the system does not make us those who don't any smaller. You may seem to have the majority or to follow one, but that does not need to mean you guys ARE the majority in this.

Please be a bit civil in your postings.

[umadavid]

And HOW DARE YOU LABEL THE ONES THAT DON"T SUPPORT AS FREE_LOADERS????!!!!! :mad: . And what if I called you ppl as BLATANT FANATICS no different then TALIBANS??!!! Include your family with that!! Do you like that term?

Just because you see it fit to support the system does not make us those who don't any smaller. You may seem to have the majority or to follow one, but that does not need to mean you guys ARE the majority in this.

Please be a bit civil in your postings.
Be my guest and do follow your own advise.

[SCCheah]

currymee- good idea to get a dog but make sure it can bark and bite. I got a lovely golden retriever once but it grew very fast - from a cute puppy into a giant dog.It's too friendly and cannot guard a house. It will probably lick the hands of a robber. Better get a pariah dog that can bark like hell.

Anyway, not necessary chee-kay-poh-chong (taking care of oneself). You can have guard patrols or security cameras put in the right places. I wouldn't mind contributing towards the purchase of security cameras.

Look at Section 5 PJ. They have many signboards with the big eye "Rakan Cop" staring right at you. Of course you may say it's useless but hey, they also have some security cameras. But then it can also be stolen. They don't barricade roads like what we do in USJ- maybe one or two gantries that are left opened.

Perhaps (just perhaps), residents can chip in and put security cameras on very high posts - like those put in by the authorities. Not sure whether it will work.

Let us do things that will not cause lots of inconveniences to people and turning our beautiful USJ into a war zone like what some of us have mentioned.

[kwchang]

..We don't even mind supporting the 10% of free loaders...
Sorry, we cannot classify our neighbours as free-loaders. Did you have a means of deciphering their thoughts? How did you come to the conclusion that they were actually hoping to get away without paying? Please be aware that in all community issues, it is voluntary and it is not right to identify those not in line with your ideology to be a pariah. We need to maintain respect for our neighbours. Remember...we agree to disagree ? On banana for slander

[kwchang]

And HOW DARE YOU LABEL THE ONES THAT DON"T SUPPORT AS FREE_LOADERS????!!!!! :mad: . And what if I called you ppl as BLATANT FANATICS no different then TALIBANS??!!! Include your family with that!! Do you like that term?

Just because you see it fit to support the system does not make us those who don't any smaller. You may seem to have the majority or to follow one, but that does not need to mean you guys ARE the majority in this.

Please be a bit civil in your postings.
Lord, you just broke the civil advice yourself ... that post was pure fire and flame. There is a better way to say things but you had once again taken the fiery way out. Time to cool off ... in the plantation

[SCCheah]

This website is getting interesting- very good rules to ensure that everyone behaves...otherwise we are sent to the plantation carrying our bananas.

I happen to notice what chang wrote:

"After awhile, we noticed that a number of hard-core banana plantation visitors get thick skinned and don't bat an eye in aquiring bananas. This is because the banana gets removed eventually and the slate is wiped clean.

Someone suggested I make a record of the offenders so that members will think twice before they poke at the banana bunch again.

Great Idea

Hence we have a Rogue's Gallery for everyone to browse
:) "

Ahem, I think chang should give himself a banana (ha! ha!) for calling all rule-breakers as "rogues".

Isn't that name calling? How come no banana for those who call others "stirrer"?

Must be fair lah if we want some fun.

[SCCheah]

chang wrote:

Lord, you just broke the civil advice yourself ... that post was pure fire and flame. There is a better way to say things but you had once again taken the fiery way out. Time to cool off ... in the plantation


With due respect chang, by naming it Rogues Gallery, I find it very offensive. All my life I have been a straight guy and this is the second time in 57 years that someone has publicly tarnished my image and put my little offense (by describing the frenzy to put up barricades etc as "fanatics") and named me as a rogue. Very bad and very damaging to my reputation especially since I have revealed my identity.

So actually you have also broken the civil code yourself chang.

I strongly suggest that you rename your infamous gallery as simply: Offenders' Gallery. Not so bad sounding.

Never, ever use Rogue as it means the person is unprincipled and dishonest etc. Someone may even take your website down chang.

[driftingrover]

chang wrote:

Lord, you just broke the civil advice yourself ... that post was pure fire and flame. There is a better way to say things but you had once again taken the fiery way out. Time to cool off ... in the plantation


With due respect chang, by naming it Rogues Gallery, I find it very offensive. All my life I have been a straight guy and this is the second time in 57 years that someone has publicly tarnished my image and put my little offense (by describing the frenzy to put up barricades etc as "fanatics") and named me as a rogue. Very bad and very damaging to my reputation especially since I have revealed my identity.

So actually you have also broken the civil code yourself chang.

I strongly suggest that you rename your infamous gallery as simply: Offenders' Gallery. Not so bad sounding.

Never, ever use Rogue as it means the person is unprincipled and dishonest etc. Someone may even take your website down chang.

sccheah,
don't try to preach, say what u need to say n carry on with it, is there a point to point out what r the right or wrong words to use, this here is not an english language course.

[umadavid]

Sorry, we cannot classify our neighbours as free-loaders. Did you have a means of deciphering their thoughts? How did you come to the conclusion that they were actually hoping to get away without paying? Please be aware that in all community issues, it is voluntary and it is not right to identify those not in line with your ideology to be a pariah. We need to maintain respect for our neighbours. Remember...we agree to disagree ? On banana for slander
I stand by what I say. When I said free loaders, I meant just that by the what the definations means. This is not slander but just a statement. It means that these people say they want the security but they also don't want to pay for it for whatever reasons (there are many reasons given, I don't need to state it here). They are not opposed to GnG.

Please NOTE, I did not say anywhere in the post that the 10% of people included those who are opposed to GnG. If they want to associate themselves with the free loaders, I cannot deny their right to do so. Do not assume anything, please. :(

I said

We have strong support
10% are free loaders
I did not mention the percentage of opposers which in our case which is approx. slightly less than 3%

So are you saying that free loader = opposers of GnG? FYI, I can assure you that they are 2 entirely different groups of people.

[SCCheah]

Precisely.

I also stand by what I say.

Actually freeloaders are those who openly support GnG or FnG (whatever) but when it comes to paying they refuse to pay. They have no objections to the blocking and fencing etc and want to enjoy whatever forms of security and yet they do not want to pay.

People like me are totally opposed to fencing up, blocking up of roads
etc. We do not mind guard patrols. So we are not free loaders.

Please do not misconstrue. It wasn't an English lesson but trying to reason that if words like "rogues" can be allowed, then how come I can so easily earn a banana (actually don't mind as it looks fun) for using a word like "fanatic".

Thank you.

[kwchang]

SCCheah, you are, as you had claimed, a former media person and being from the old school (we were schooled entirely in the English medium) you should have understood that "Rogue's Gallery" is a term used figuratively and need not necessarily apply to real criminals ("rogues") nor does it imply any negative intent.

Apart from getting the normal disctionary definition, it is better you refer to the one on Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rogues_gallery)

[SCCheah]

Of course chang.

What I was trying to drive at is since words like fanatics can so easily earn a banana, then words like rogues should also get one right?

Fanatics is not like a four letter word or a harsh word like calling someone a swindler, ba#@@%d, con person, robber etc- the word "fanatic" merely convey my feelings (including lord's) of how things are taken to extreme. I latched on the word from lord because I nearly crashed into those oil drums at night in USJ2 that caused me to lodge a police report in USJ 8 police station.

"Rogue" to me should also earn a banana. I am still a media person and an active one.

So you have two options:

(1) Either take back your banana and the same for lord, or
(2) Give yourself one.

This website is supposed to be serious but at the same time informative, a bit fun and aimed at fostering rapport.
While I appreciate having rules (which is a good thing and at one stage I also respect your professionalism), I hope it won't give the impression that it can be somewhat partisan.

If I am you (assuming I am a moderator) I won't mind having my name in the Offenders' Gallery- in fact people will admire the moderator for being so sporting. They will respect you instead. We all make slips here and there. We are no angels and we do get carried away by emotions.

Otherwise, take away the Offenders' Gallery.

There are people like me who haven't seen the rules properly (until lately) and did the wrong things.



Thanks.

[joni]

. . . We all make slips here and there. We are no angels and we do get carried away by emotions . . There are people like me who haven't seen the rules properly (until lately) and did the wrong things.


Muphry's Law also dictates that, if a mistake is as plain as the nose on your face, everyone can see it but @#$@%. :D :D :D

For Chang, as a moderator, you are playing the role like a Policemen. I totally agreed and respect your action in putting anyone against the rules to BaNaNa. Bravo, the web site will survive.