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tupai
30-01-2010, 03:34 PM
I am a 100% certified Blur Sotong with cars (for others). After owning a kembara for 5yrs, its time to move on.

So any1 care to assist/input/recommend a similar kinda car?

the specs must be
- a higher rise car (better over view and can see ahead) then a saloon/regular car
- comfy for even drive-around-malaysia kinda car, can take 5,6, even 7 including a dog comfily.
- NOT too big or long like a alpard or stream or estima or yr regular long and hugh MPV...Driver needs a smaller 1 to easy park in tight bay in shopping complexes lah!

Thanks

Yang Beli mahu mpv? latotupai
:rolleyes:

AllUrban
30-01-2010, 03:59 PM
I am a 100% certified Blur Sotong with cars (for others). After owning a kembara for 5yrs, its time to move on.

So any1 care to assist/input/recommend a similar kinda car?

the specs must be
- a higher rise car (better over view and can see ahead) then a saloon/regular car
- comfy for even drive-around-malaysia kinda car, can take 5,6, even 7 including a dog comfily.
- NOT too big or long like a alpard or stream or estima or yr regular long and hugh MPV...Driver needs a smaller 1 to easy park in tight bay in shopping complexes lah!

Thanks

Yang Beli mahu mpv? latotupai
:rolleyes:

Hmmm... for MPV can suggest the Suzuki MPV as I do not think of you in a Proton Juara or Naza Kia Carnival (please, never ever ever even approach these ones!).

Nissan Serene is a good mid-size MPV - smaller than the Toyota Alphard, Nissan El Grande and Hyundai Grand Starex type MPV, not as small as a Grand Livina.

If you are looking to continue with the SUV models how about the Toyota / Perodua replacement for the Kembara? Or the Mazda Tribute / Ford Escape? I would not recommend the Hyundai Santa Fe or the Kia Sportage.

Wifey suggests that you would look best in a Toyota Harrier or Honda CRV (her fave SUV).

Cheers, m

tupai
30-01-2010, 04:16 PM
Hmmm... ...

Wifey suggests that you would look best in a Toyota Harrier or Honda CRV (her fave SUV).

Cheers, m

hmmmm...kinda like all great ladies think alike? Hahhaha...bt, i aint the driver. I the rider leh...

what about the rav4 or somehting? i didnt know got mpv lah. then suv lah..then donno wat v lah...

I completely lost interest in anythign with more than 2 wheels...wat2do?

Yang Blur with 4wheels latotupai :D

bslee
30-01-2010, 04:23 PM
I completely lost interest in anythign with more than 2 wheels...wat2do?
Yang Blur with 4wheels latotupai :D

Bullock cart?... 2 wheeler mah!, Very green, grass fuel required, anyone can repair it (doesn't use SKF wheel bearings), enviromentaly VERY friendly no smoke, smog, guaranteed not prone to accidents as motorists will surely stay far far away unless they like to be injected with some cow sense or bull anyhow, Ah.. you don't have to punch card and on time at awfis so being late for work isn't an issue.. (you work to rule mah.. :D ) P. Ramlee rode on one in Do-Re-Mi film..can tok kok sing song somemore... the list goes on..
Not Rav4 but model Bull2...trouble is.. the vehicle does bullshyt once in a while..but behind your back.. :D

AllUrban
30-01-2010, 04:27 PM
hmmmm...kinda like all great ladies think alike? Hahhaha...bt, i aint the driver. I the rider leh...

what about the rav4 or somehting? i didnt know got mpv lah. then suv lah..then donno wat v lah...

I completely lost interest in anythign with more than 2 wheels...wat2do?

Yang Blur with 4wheels latotupai :D
SUV is just a marketing trick actually. The old Kembara was a truck underneath, but most of the newer SUV are actually cars dressed up with a different body.

Toyota Harrier and Toyota Camry share the same chassis. Toyota Corolla and Toyota Pacifica / Perodua Wave (or whatever it is called) share the same chassis. BMW X5 and X3 share the same chassis as the 5 series & 3 series respectively.

SUV appeals to those people who want 'the look' and dont want to be seen driving an MPV. Like Tupai...can just see him in a leather jacket, shades, behind the wheel of a black toyota harrier or other truck.

MPV has the convenience. Lots of pockets, spaces in the interior, power points, comfortable seats.

RAV4 is the same size as Kembara but the RAV4 has a car frame underneath, not a truck frame. And I think the Pacifica/Wave is the latest version of the RAV4.

Cannot give you much suggestion as I dunno your budget etc. but I would say, buy a Japanese model, car-based SUV...because it has a more powerful engine, higher driving position, nicer look and will be more reliable than the Korean manufacturers (Kia, Hyundai, SsangYong & Chevrolet - Daewoo)

Cheers, m

Sentinel
31-01-2010, 02:19 AM
Well, I want to suggest the Freelander but the price is around RM270,000 so I guess my options would be a Suzuki Vitara or a Nissan X-Trail. Of course the CRV tops it off in this range and a smoother ride too.

jan tomaswaki
31-01-2010, 06:03 AM
for cheap maintenence,low price ,fuel effi.,big space,cheap spareparts,big boot space and better -for-you near-your-hse service centre -TOYOTA AVANZA1.5CC .I have one of those cars,has taken me to JB,Cameron using the Pulai H'way and the baterry gong kaput after 4 years.Buy it and you wont regret! ;)

PJS
31-01-2010, 07:30 AM
If you don't want a car that's similar sized as Kembara, Suzuki Grand Vitara and Toyota Rav4 would be out of the question as they are more than one size bigger than cost 120k and above. Besides, ahem, Rav4 is one of the vehicles being recalled in other continents, u sure wanna get one, ah? :D

I'd recommend Suzuki SX4 Crossover hatchback. It's slightly larger than Kembara, and taller than more cars and it's CBU from Japan, sure to last for many good motoring years, all for <90K. You cld use the extra cash saved for downpayment for another Harley!

tupai
31-01-2010, 10:38 AM
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I'd recommend Suzuki SX4 Crossover hatchback. It's slightly larger than Kembara, and taller than more cars and it's CBU from Japan, sure to last for many good motoring years, all for <90K. You cld use the extra cash saved for downpayment for another Harley!

Ahhh...where can i view this Suzuki SX4? Is it a naza or equiv parallel import? Another harley? Bro, i already have 4 bikes parked in the porch! No more space leow...unless, i buy over the neighbour's parking lot :D


AllU: Thanks for the brief summary on the frame of the suv, mpv, atv and whatevertv:D . Oh, Agreed that a sushi make is better than a kim-chi, or a mustarded hotdog or fish & chip or a brat wurst. Also there is no budget indicated as there is no budget allocated...

Sentinel: Yes, me too like Freelander but the 'driver' wanna something smaller. CRV also not the driver's liking...my sis has one and we have 'tested' it last week ...XTrail is deemed 'too big to park in midvalley/curve/lot 10 etc car park...

Jan: yup, it crossed my mind on this avanza thingy...isnt it also a Van platform? but then again 'driver' said it looks like the school/cheewen/lick hung Aunty Car, that habitually went against the traffic laws :eek:

I told the 'driver' this ~ " Now as long as you dont go dye your hair blond or rusty blond or mousy blond or any kinda kwai poh brown shade. Dont wear detachable funny long sleeves and for Allah sake! stay away from the packed tighter than 'Bak chang' hot pants on cellulited loose hanging derriere...u wont be another lick hung or chee wen aunty lah' :p

Anyway, the search is positively on-going but the Driver has the final say...

Let me tell ya all this: Its a helluva lot easier to shop and buy a Bike. Bought my own XMas pressie in under 10mins! All registered paid up in 5 working days too! :D

Yang Blur dgn 4wheels latotupai
:confused:

chewie
31-01-2010, 10:59 AM
hyundai sorento,
toyota frontier

Sentinel
31-01-2010, 11:50 AM
Suzuki SJ410? Slightly bigger than the Kembara and solid.

kwchang
31-01-2010, 12:02 PM
the specs must be
- comfy for even drive-around-malaysia kinda car, can take 5,6, even 7 including a dog comfily.

On that one spec - 7-seater, your choices drop down to only a few. The Avanza comes to mind but I would recommend you the Toyota Innova. It actually seats 8 adults easily and not in cramped positions too. Full 2nd aircond with separate blowers to the back seats.

Is it big? If that is a problem with difficulty in parking, don't fret - that car is surprisingly easy to park, reverse parking summore. Go for a test drive to find out.

BTW, Allurban recommended the Serena ... take note that it is comfy but it means you only can seat 2 abreast in the mid-seats, not 3. Therefore it is effectively a 6-seater, not 7 or 8. And check out the engine bay ... if I am not wrong, it is a VAN, not a car. In addition, it has sliding doors ... the JPJ classifies vehicles with slider doors as vans and the highway speed limit for vans is 90Km/hr, not 110. ... you risk a speeding ticket if caught

Why the push for Innova? I don't sell cars but I drive one ;) :D

tupai
31-01-2010, 02:03 PM
On that one spec - 7-seater, your choices drop down to only a few. The Avanza comes to mind but I would recommend you the Toyota Innova. It actually seats 8 adults easily and not in cramped positions too. Full 2nd aircond with separate blowers to the back seats.
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Why the push for Innova? I don't sell cars but I drive one ;) :D

A good friend has it and it was bought not more than 16mths ago...she luves it to bit and being a regular churchy person, the sunday is usu a food hunt in her innova fulla hungry congregation!

But its too big got my 'driver'...

still searching searching...

Thanks yoiu to so many sifus for advice...


Yang Blur with cars latotupai
:D

Sentinel
31-01-2010, 11:23 PM
Whatever you are looking for, you won't find it lah brader...

You cannot have a midsize vehicle carrying comfortably 7 passengers on long distance drive... the parameters do not jive... its either a bigger MPV to be comfortable which means harder to park and you cannot have the cake and eat it at the same time...

Get a Toyota Velfire which is luxurious for 7 in long distance and learn how to park lah... :D

mikoloh
01-02-2010, 08:00 AM
....or get a DRIVER.

Sentinel
01-02-2010, 11:17 AM
Short wheel base is bumpy and not suitable for long distance lah. I have a short wheel base Pajero 3500 2-door sports... good for running about but a dread when its long distance...

tupai
01-02-2010, 04:32 PM
Any1 can help here?

can avanza be tarted up? e.g. like having skirtings and airdam upfront? Do peep sell such accessories here or do i got to hatyai, to source and sex it up? :confused:

I seriously dont mind hatyai...great place to chill, eat, spa, eyecandying and more... :D

Yang Beringi tarting up avanza latotupai :D

ceo684
01-02-2010, 05:41 PM
Toyota Hiace 3.0.

Yeah u'd think its a van, but the petrol engine inside is not a slowpoke either :D

blueginger
02-02-2010, 09:13 AM
Me think the `driver` will most probably decide on the `Avanza` for the price or the `Innova` for the space :p

Me think the `driver` should keep the old Kembara for regular malls outings and learn to drive a `BIG` Mpv for long distance... :D

Problemo solved... :)

cskok8
02-02-2010, 12:20 PM
Any1 can help here?

can avanza be tarted up?

Yang Beringi tarting up avanza latotupai :D

Why would you want your Avanza to look like a tart??? :confused:

Rhiga
02-02-2010, 03:25 PM
Toyota Harrier and Toyota Camry share the same chassis. Toyota Corolla and Toyota Pacifica / Perodua Wave (or whatever it is called) share the same chassis. BMW X5 and X3 share the same chassis as the 5 series & 3 series respectively.

What does it mean when you say ‘share the same chassis”. The chassis dimension is the same ? Is there any disadvantages/danger for public who drive a car which has a chassis designed initially for other car ?

I thought chassis is an integral part of a passenger car design ? Unlike commercial vehicle like bus or truck where the vehicle body is mounted later onto the chassis and hence a truck chassis can also be used to build a bus.

Cheers

AllUrban
02-02-2010, 04:35 PM
Why would you want your Avanza to look like a tart??? :confused:hahah why not...check out this Toyota Noah (attached) that I saw in Osaka.

Can that be done to an Avanza? I guess it would have to be black though.

Cheers, m

AllUrban
02-02-2010, 04:47 PM
What does it mean when you say ‘share the same chassis”. The chassis dimension is the same ? Is there any disadvantages/danger for public who drive a car which has a chassis designed initially for other car ?

I thought chassis is an integral part of a passenger car design ? Unlike commercial vehicle like bus or truck where the vehicle body is mounted later onto the chassis and hence a truck chassis can also be used to build a bus.

CheersSagamihara, you are correct that cars are built with a uni-body design, instead of bolting a body on top of a separate chassis.

By 'using the same chassis' I mean is that a car company can re-use their integrated chassis+body design with some minor adjustments to make the car ride differently, make the suspension and body stiffer or more flexible etc.

That saves them millions of dollars in engineering and design costs - since they already have the basic car.

To use the BMW example, the X5 was originally planned to be a 5 series Touring Edition...which itself is just an extended version of a 5 Series sedan

But because there was a demand for SUV, BMW elevated the 5 Series frame, made the body stiffer, and added all-wheel drive and a more robust undercarriage and taller body design.

Presto, 5 series wagon becomes the "X5"

Another company that is well known for using the same chassis design for multiple cars (within the same brand structure) was Volkswagen ... using the same chassis design for the Volkswagen New Beetle, Jetta, Golf, and MicroVan. They also used a modified chassis (with an extended wheelbase) for the Volkswagen Passat and Audi A4.

GM had 5 platforms for cars, (Alpha, Beta, Gamma, Delta and Epsilon) and each of these platforms was used to create various types of vehicles (cars, SUV & MPV) of various makes (Chevrolet, Buick, Saturn, Opel, Saab, Holden, Pontiac, Oldsmobile, & Cadillac for the cars and GMC, Chevy Trucks and Hummer for the Trucks).

Cheers, m

Sentinel
02-02-2010, 04:50 PM
To use the BMW example, the X5 was originally planned to be a 5 series Touring Edition...which itself is just an extended version of a 5 Series sedan

But because there was a demand for SUV, BMW elevated the 5 Series frame, made the body stiffer, and added all-wheel drive and a more robust undercarriage and taller body design.

Presto, 5 series wagon becomes the "X5"He He... this is one set of wheels worth looking at yah... :D vs the Audi Q7 and the VW Touareg 4.2 V8... :rolleyes:

AllUrban
02-02-2010, 04:55 PM
He He... this is one set of wheels worth looking at yah... :D vs the Audi Q7 and the VW Touareg 4.2 V8... :rolleyes: Not only that,

Audi Q7 ~ Volks Touareg ~ Porsche Cayenne

Not exactly the same SUV but quite similar if you look past the label.

Sentinel, have you seen the X6? That one is scary cool!

Cheers, m

Sentinel
02-02-2010, 04:59 PM
Audi Q7 ~ Volks Touareg ~ Porsche Cayenne

Sentinel, have you seen the X6? That one is scary cool!

Cheers, mThe Cayenne will attract attention of :

i. car jackers;
ii. kidnappers, and;
iii. income tax people come kacau!

The X6 is too "aggressive look" for a semi retiree like me... :D I would prefer the Range Rover Supercharged 4.4 which is more suited to old folks like me.... now, where to get the extra money??? :confused:

kwchang
03-02-2010, 12:12 AM
What does it mean when you say ‘share the same chassis”. ...I thought chassis is an integral part of a passenger car design ?
I wonder if anyone can clarify my view that the Innova is really having a separate "H" Chassis and not constructed in a unibody design? If this is true, it make the Innova really tough ...I don't mind having this internal 'skeleton' because if the car is rammed in an accident, at least the body don't get distorted like the unibody of passenger cars.

AllUrban
03-02-2010, 10:33 AM
I wonder if anyone can clarify my view that the Innova is really having a separate "H" Chassis and not constructed in a unibody design? If this is true, it make the Innova really tough ...I don't mind having this internal 'skeleton' because if the car is rammed in an accident, at least the body don't get distorted like the unibody of passenger cars.It would be pretty easy to ask the folks at Toyota.

How about the dimensions of the Innova as compared to the UNSER?

If the dimensions (wheelbase, track, height) are the same, you can bet that they are using the same chassis. Toyota would do that so they can save money.

Cheers, m

driftingrover
03-02-2010, 10:57 AM
I wonder if anyone can clarify my view that the Innova is really having a separate "H" Chassis and not constructed in a unibody design? If this is true, it make the Innova really tough ...I don't mind having this internal 'skeleton' because if the car is rammed in an accident, at least the body don't get distorted like the unibody of passenger cars.

yes, the Innova share the same chassis as the hilace n fortunner abit with tweak to the suspension.

Rhiga
04-02-2010, 10:05 AM
By 'using the same chassis' I mean is that a car company can re-use their integrated chassis+body design with some minor adjustments to make the car ride differently, make the suspension and body stiffer or more flexible etc.

That saves them millions of dollars in engineering and design costs - since they already have the basic car.

But because there was a demand for SUV, BMW elevated the 5 Series frame, made the body stiffer, and added all-wheel drive and a more robust undercarriage and taller body design.

Thanks AllUrban for the details.

So, the R&D is not really R&D…..it is merely re-engineering of existing models.

jimmyay
04-02-2010, 11:45 AM
Thanks AllUrban for the details.

So, the R&D is not really R&D…..it is merely re-engineering of existing models.

One thing i like about Toyota is their practical and conservative approach.
Their engine is the same for lot of model and every workshop you go for service "no problem".

Eg of a adventurous approach : Honda. They use CVT gear-box in City..now changed. As it is giving lot of headache in maintenance. They always use "Power to Dream" and sometimes it is a bad-dream.

BMW approach: Built new things..new innovation. The real deal on R&D but it cost $$. Anyway lot of driver will pay for the "Ultimate Driving Machine"

AllUrban
04-02-2010, 04:39 PM
Thanks AllUrban for the details.

So, the R&D is not really R&D…..it is merely re-engineering of existing models.yes and no.

It is re-engineering but there is a lot of redesign involved. The main thing is that using a basic, reliable platform with interchangability cuts R & D costs and time.

The R & D of the BMW X5 is still significant, and no one is going to say that a Volks Touareg, Audi Q7 and Porsche Cayenne are just the same car with a different label on it.

It's not as if we are back in the horrible 1980s with the Chrysler/Dodge/Plymouth "Kei" Car which was the exact same model no matter what you bought.

Using the same platform is not such a terrible thing assuming it actually encourages reliability and quality and lower costs for the customer. The customer with knowledge knows that underneath it all, the various models are the same and they can just choose the one that meets their needs.

That's why m (being the frugal guy that he is) would always choose a Toyota over a Lexus, Ford over a Lincoln or Jaguar (back when Ford owned it), etc.

Cheers, m

Cheers, m

USJ27Resident
05-02-2010, 10:56 PM
yes and no.

That's why m (being the frugal guy that he is) would always choose a Toyota over a Lexus, Ford over a Lincoln or Jaguar (back when Ford owned it), etc.

Cheers, m

Another option: a Proton over a Mitsubishi? :p same/similiar DNA, diff badges!!

tupai
06-02-2010, 02:39 PM
with so many toyota recalls, denials and misinformation dished out...

toyota brand is now at the back burner. ditto the mpv/suv/whateverV lah.

maybe a ford ranger or a triton should be viewed more seriously....


Yang Blur latotupai :confused:

AllUrban
08-02-2010, 11:20 AM
Another option: a Proton over a Mitsubishi? :p same/similiar DNA, diff badges!!hahahha not that similar anymore. Actually, m would not buy either one except maybe a Lancer Evo VIII

would m buy a Perodua over a Toyota / Daihatsu? Depends on the car.
with so many toyota recalls, denials and misinformation dished out...

toyota brand is now at the back burner. ditto the mpv/suv/whateverV lah.

maybe a ford ranger or a triton should be viewed more seriously....


Yang Blur latotupai :confused:Toyota is working on fixing the problem and they will manage. And the resale value of Toyotas has dropped recently, meaning that you can get one for a bit less than before - just have your mechanic check a bit more thoroughly.

If you are interested in a Ford SUV, try the Ford Escape/Mazda Tribute 'cute-ute' (small SUV). They have a hybrid version as well (dunno if they brought it to Malaysia yet tho).

Too bad they do not have the Ford Edge in Malaysia

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/27/Ford_Edge_SE.jpg/250px-Ford_Edge_SE.jpg

Cheers, m