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USJ27Resident
25-01-2010, 11:45 PM
lately I have been coming across a lot of "so-called" OEM products...

those days, fake goods were fake goods - and they were basically cheap copies.... but NOW, one can hardly tell the difference... even the PRICE is no more "that" cheap....

example: was at Taipan the other day, and there was this sidewalk "sales gallery" hawking DUTY FREE watches -[get this!] "Japan movement - BRANDED WATCHES".... :p I mean, they were openly selling Tag Heuers, Rolexes, Piagets, Omegas, etc etc... and they look like the 'real deal'... even with the boxes and whatnots :eek: The ONLY GIVEAWAY was the price.... they were selling it at RM350 per piece.... Now this scares the hell outta me, imagine if I were to buy a 'branded' watch in the shop... how the heck am I gonna know if its the real thing.... or getting a swapped one by the 'crooked' staff in the shop...

Like the earlier thread - about the Crocs... these fakes are really really getting to look like the real deal... even Nokias and Blackberrys... that too, has been cloned... Imagine buying a Nokia or Blackberry for 2K plus, only to find out only the casing is ori... the insides are clones/fakes....

Sheeeesh... from phones to shoes, watches to bags... is Malaysia really becoming a BIG DUMPING GROUND for all these fakes....

Sentinel
26-01-2010, 12:34 AM
If you pay MYR350 for a Piaget, you know its a fake and you'd expect to receive a fake. Its only when you pay for the real stuff at MYR35,000 and you suddenly realize that you can't tell the diff between the real mccoy and the fake... alamak!

p.s. back in 1996, our dear Prime Minister then, in his haste to promote MSC not only promised no internet censorship to the world, but also strict enforcement of the copyrights and intellectual property laws... dia sudah lekas lupa! Am wondering whether his 3-hour 9/11 DVD bought from the neighborhood fella along Sri Kembangan??? :eek:

USJ27Resident
26-01-2010, 12:51 AM
Its only when you pay for the real stuff at MYR35,000 and you suddenly realize that you can't tell the diff between the real mccoy and the fake... alamak! [/I]

thats the thing.... really... I had a "real" Omega worn and compared it with a displayed RM350 Omega ~ and I could not tell the damn difference... had wished I could wipe that smirk of that fella's face... :mad:

I remember years ago, a scandal brewed where a socialite sued a well-known Singapore watch dealer when the Rolex was sold was discovered to be a fake.... :eek:

Imagine that...

bslee
26-01-2010, 01:37 AM
Sheeeesh... from phones to shoes, watches to bags... is Malaysia really becoming a BIG DUMPING GROUND for all these fakes....

Didn't I say this crystal clear in the past? Trouble is... there's always a demand for these and I'm confident people don't change..SIMPLY BECAUSE ITS CONSIDERED CHEAP (for whatever purpose or intent). Cheeep, cheep.. vely cheep! thats what that matters. Wahhh... LOLEX ah?..
Fakes nevermind, but terrible build or unsafe quality also is of concern.
I'd say this again. Until SOMEONE DIES or land in hospital.. then you see some action... just like fireworks issue resulting in kids loosing fingers. Blame the parents..not the kids.
Malaysia no standand one... Bolehland to the core!

zinglicious
26-01-2010, 08:50 AM
The worst fakes are like the one we got from Semi Value designer bridges which cracked all over the place like the MRR2. Sumore kena ketok second time around with hefty billing. :p

currymee
26-01-2010, 08:50 AM
So far, we have not moved into FAKE and TAINTED FOOD area yet - at least not that I know of - just heard the news (AL-Jazeera) that some CHinese companies were just caught for melamin tainted milk products recently .... :(

zinglicious
26-01-2010, 09:01 AM
Have you guys heard of eggs that are not really eggs? Yep, eggs that are not laid by the chicken that cuckokokoko? Maybe somebody can provide the link?

currymee
26-01-2010, 09:04 AM
Have you guys heard of eggs that are not really eggs? Yep, eggs that are not laid by the chicken that cuckokokoko? Maybe somebody can provide the link?

I heard of such stories but thought it was a hoax - kind of April Fool's joke. :eek:

chewie
26-01-2010, 09:25 AM
OEM is Original Equipment Manufacturer. Even the computer monitor/LCD that you are using currently is actually OEM products. What the manufacture do is to produce the monitor and then stick the brand name into it.

Even some of my bicycle parts are OEM for Shimano.

Is just like you are using a Dell Monitor but infact is actually the same monitor uses by other brand

jan tomaswaki
26-01-2010, 09:34 AM
Of coz they say OEM not imitation ,just like"looks like me,sounds like me but it not me" got that ? :D

Rhiga
26-01-2010, 10:32 AM
OEM is a throat-cutting business as far as manufacturing margin is concerned.

Manufacturer/producer tried everything they can to reduce manufacturing cost to meet price expectation of the brand owner. Thatís why Taiwan (in the early 80 and 90), PRC, Vietnam, Indonesia and other third world countries are the magnet for OEM production for Japanese, US and European goods.

For Taiwan and PRC especially the PRC, due to their natural entrepreneurial skills of Chinese, they bring the OEM manufacturing to one step higher. They learned and mastered the manufacturing know-how and started their own SMI.

I donít think this is wrong: the actual value (labor and material) of a Rolex watch is how much?? There is a HUGE trading margin earned by the brand owner.

If someone can build similar item with a fraction of the cost, why not.

Of course, not using the same brand.

Sentinel
26-01-2010, 10:45 AM
Didn't I say this crystal clear in the past? Trouble is... there's always a demand for these and I'm confident people don't change..SIMPLY BECAUSE ITS CONSIDERED CHEAP (for whatever purpose or intent). Cheeep, cheep.. vely cheep! thats what that matters. Wahhh... LOLEX ah?..
Fakes nevermind, but terrible build or unsafe quality also is of concern.
I'd say this again. Until SOMEONE DIES or land in hospital.. then you see some action... just like fireworks issue resulting in kids loosing fingers. Blame the parents..not the kids.
Malaysia no standand one... Bolehland to the core!
Hey BSLee, maybe its a wee bit too early for you to post but did you say there are fake fireworks?

bslee
26-01-2010, 10:58 AM
I think there's a clear line of difference between OEM and fake although many people loosely understand the term or convey the wrong interpretation altogether in a conversation.
For example, Nippon Denso is OEM manufacturer for many Japanese air conditioners, radiators, spark plugs and other critical electrical parts for the auto industry, even for BMW. I suppose everyone knows they're classified as original parts, more so if sold through authorised sales & service centers and spares shops.
Fakes are as with examples of fake brand watches that look exactly the same or nearest to the original product on the surface and purposely to deceive anyone that its the real thing but entirely different on the inside, moreover the quality can't be ascertained unless through detailed examination.


Hey BSLee, maybe its a wee bit too early for you to post but did you say there are fake fireworks?
Not about the fireworks being "fake", but this country being a dumphouse with dangerous stuff being sold in the open which is a cause to consequences we do hear of. Goto Pasar Rd KL, there's peddlers selling all sorts of stimulants and other uncertified stuff in the open, EVERYDAY!.

Sentinel
26-01-2010, 11:00 AM
So, are you saying there are fake fireworks?

Sentinel
26-01-2010, 11:11 AM
Like Lato Tupai, I share his love for big bikes too. I have owned about 4 different models of BMW bikes in the last 15 years alone - the R100GS - a 1,000 c.c. Boxer-engined dual purpose that won the Paris-Dakar race before; a R1100RS - a Boxer-engined 1,100 c.c. sports touring bike, a K1100RS - in line touring bike and finally a R1100GS - a modern version of the the R100GS - a 1,100 c.c. Boxer engined dual purpose touring bike. And in each of these 4 different bikes I owned, the dry-cell batteries I used were all bought from a shop in Singapore under the Japanese brand name Yuasa. It cost about SGD220... The BMW-branded original battery, which we found out were made by Yuasa anyway, is RM1,200 each at their Glenmarie workshop. Which would you use?

Remember these are not fakes, these are originals from the OEM manufacturer... we accidentally found out there was a shop in Singapore selling these batteries because we saw the same batteries in a life-saving machine with all the monitors etc in Subang Jaya Medical Centre when we dropped by to visit a friend who was hospitalised and we traced back to the supplier in Singapore... :D

bslee
26-01-2010, 11:25 AM
Of course if you can establish and confident that its exactly or nearest to the same as the original supplied, moreover cheaper price from manufacturer parts center, why not?
Of course many will know and realize the price of say an oil filter or air filter at the car manufacturer and your friendly spare parts shop will be entirely different and mostly cheaper.
Nevertheless, its hard to say which is better or worse decision, because the car manufacturer may offer better warranty claim (immediate replacement?)benefit than the place you bought elsewhere which may not offer an immediate "no questions asked" warranty claim should anything go wrong. Its of course you buy any part entirely at your own risk with least or no warranty at all from 3rd parties. I've known in the past or even now lots of spare parts shop who don't offer any guarantee any warranty of various auto spare parts and you've to ask them about it before purchase.
Anyway, car battery ori or 3rd party, its mostly safe if one buy and use a reputable battery brand. I've seen macam macam batteries (fakes?) at Pasar Rd electronic shops sold cheaply. Not easy to tell where its manufactured, only the build quality to trained eyes may be a giveaway. I guess its well known that anyone who knows Pasar Rd well is aware that buy anything there is ENTIRELY AT YOUR OWN RISK, when it comes to quality.
I actually saw a FAKE Autolock contraption in the past. Everything from packaging to product content nearly looks the real thing, and its only a fraction of the price of the original product. It could easily pass off for the real thing and I was told it was a best seller... :D

Rhiga
26-01-2010, 11:34 AM
I believe there is a difference between a pair of $30 shoe with a $300 shoe.

But there would be no difference between a $300 shoe and a $3000 shoe.

Sentinel
26-01-2010, 11:45 AM
The dry-cell batteries for BMW bikes has the big BMW Logo there and the Yuasa brand as well. The ones we bought from Singapore are only Yuasa branded but everything exactly the same including the enclosed brochure....

bslee
26-01-2010, 11:47 AM
I've not been to China but I know a buddy who've been buying fake top of the line N series No*i* phones. Looks the same but not entirely in its features or functionality. Its small fraction of the price of course.

BTW, just recalled, early batches of IKEA brand dry cell AA and AAA batteries were once made by Varta Germany, a leading German and OEM battery manufacturer. Now no more, now all made in China.
I don't think any OEM manufacture is allowed to print or endorse their product with another car manufacturer and sold in the open market. Their own products will be entirely their own, eventhough its the same exact specs and at their own price they deem suitable.
Speaking about music CD's from China. Huge number of fake cd albums galore.
Its so apparent that any audiophile will know that that label and album certainly wasn't licensed to some China recording company.
I won't name names where these cd albums are being retailed here in the open as they involve some big name chain stores. Best part is these albums have our local KPDN "ORI" hologram on it all.

cskok8
26-01-2010, 03:25 PM
Are Blueberries considered fake? They look almost like the Blackberries. ;)
Now my children tell me there are also Redberries. :eek:

bslee
26-01-2010, 04:03 PM
Now my children tell me there are also Redberries. :eek:

For all you know there'll be Strawberry or Brackbelli vely soon? :D

Sentinel
26-01-2010, 06:06 PM
For all you know there'll be Strawberry or Brackbelli vely soon? :D
Strawberry is a fake made in Ireland and Slawbelly - well, I guess must be made in Guangdong???? :D

USJ27Resident
26-01-2010, 08:23 PM
So it must be true....

that R&D [Research & Development] in China actually means RECEIVE & DUPLICATE! :eek:

patrick
26-01-2010, 09:41 PM
So it must be true....

that R&D [Research & Development] in China actually means RECEIVE & DUPLICATE! :eek:

I thought it was ReverseEngineering & Development! :D

tsd
31-01-2010, 03:28 AM
Some "fake" are not really that bad. I bought this "lego" made in china for my child to play, it plays the same, looks the same, can't really tell the difference on quality and compatible with the original lego. Recently, I bought this particular set, almost similar content, difference is Orignal Lego RM350, China Brand "Lego" RM59

Another day I bought this 12 pcs Jumbo sized color pencil made in China (Teacher Ding ), cost me RM2.90 for I notice a layer of plastic wraping on it. When I peel it off, guess what? its Faber Castel inside ( I have yet to check out the price of Faber Castel ).

If OEM can sell for selling so cheap while they can still make money, it must be the "original" being over-priced.

currymee
31-01-2010, 05:24 AM
Some "fake" are not really that bad. I bought this "lego" made in china for my child to play, it plays the same, looks the same, can't really tell the difference on quality and compatible with the original lego. Recently, I bought this particular set, almost similar content, difference is Orignal Lego RM350, China Brand "Lego" RM59

Another day I bought this 12 pcs Jumbo sized color pencil made in China (Teacher Ding ), cost me RM2.90 for I notice a layer of plastic wraping on it. When I peel it off, guess what? its Faber Castel inside ( I have yet to check out the price of Faber Castel ).

If OEM can sell for selling so cheap while they can still make money, it must be the "original" being over-priced.

FYI - Original LEGO are not made in China - company policy to keep factories in Europe. When it comes to toys for kids, do be a bit more careful, shoddy design, peeling paints, small easily broken parts etc .... be SAFE then consider cost ... you can get good quality toys made in CHina toys but there are also a lot of really really bad ones .... you use discretion here - toys and food from PRC, don't play-play - can kill !!

patrick
31-01-2010, 05:52 PM
Some "fake" are not really that bad. I bought this "lego" made in china for my child to play, it plays the same, looks the same, can't really tell the difference on quality and compatible with the original lego. Recently, I bought this particular set, almost similar content, difference is Orignal Lego RM350, China Brand "Lego" RM59

Another day I bought this 12 pcs Jumbo sized color pencil made in China (Teacher Ding ), cost me RM2.90 for I notice a layer of plastic wraping on it. When I peel it off, guess what? its Faber Castel inside ( I have yet to check out the price of Faber Castel ).

If OEM can sell for selling so cheap while they can still make money, it must be the "original" being over-priced.

Cudnt agree more. At the end of day, very often the BIG question is whether the so-called Originals are really over, over priced! In other words, whether consumers have been ripped off by originals. BIG IF !!

bslee
31-01-2010, 06:00 PM
Very recently, non-approved health supplements on the market sold to unsuspecting rakyat. This is as bad as fake products and can cause damage or harm. Like Patrick says..what is this country coming to?

AllUrban
31-01-2010, 07:05 PM
walking down Jonker St. in Malacca m saw 4 stalls selling "2009 Clearance" and "Overstock" Crocs shoes, starting at RM25 for 1 set.

And that was only 1/2 of Jonker St. because we got tired and walked to the more peaceful Jalan Toko where the temples are.

Of course the designs did not really look like the real ones...the material is too thin and not very solid, different styles as well.

But people were buying them, crowded around. m was wondering if they thought these were the real deal or not.

yes, m fully agrees that retail prices are too high ... that's why m almost never shops at the retail level. I go for real sales and real warehouse sales and clearances where I can check the merchandise carefully instead of having some nosy salesperson following me around saying "That item is discounted only for today"

I only wish people would monitor prices and think about profit margins regularly when they shop...so they don't get taken in by 'sales' tactics.

My mantra when shopping is this:

I work too hard for my money to pay full retail prices, and I work too hard for my money to waste my time with lower quality, potentially dangerous fakes

Cheers, m

tupai
31-01-2010, 08:21 PM
Very recently, non-approved health supplements on the market sold to unsuspecting rakyat. This is as bad as fake products and can cause damage or harm. Like Patrick says..what is this country coming to?

fren came back with a big bag of cod-liver oil tablets. 1000 tablet/capsule type for Yuan150 or there about...orig would have cost Yuan3.00 a pc!
Was told that many MML health supplemt products are bought loose & in bulk to be rebranded, repacked in MML com name and sold off as orig! :eek:

Toys and stationary from china kena banned/recalled in usa cos of high lead content...dangerous for children who tend to taste the toys! :eek:

Caveat emptor. Also nobody luvs us except our own family...

Yang Beli orig latotupai

p/s Y would any1 wanna buy fake branded clothing? U only tipu ownself lah!