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Nick Chia
20-01-2010, 11:23 AM
Lastnight I watch History Channel 555 on 'back to sandakan'. Briefly it is the story of how the Japanese ordered the death march of some 2500 Australian POWs from sandakan to Ranau in 1941. Most of them perished for protecting Malaya except about 6 survivors. It was until the American that came to get rid of the Japanese in 1945 .

It was a enlightening program that reminded me of my late father who hated the japanese and till this day , the Japanese Government have not officially apologise. So it make me think that so many foriegn forces have help liberalised Malaya and we should be grateful to them. Instead we look east.

Sentinel
20-01-2010, 11:28 AM
If you drive pass by the beachfront on the northern part of Labuan island, you will see this memorial / cemetery built in honour of the fallen soldiers defending Borneo from the Japanese.

http://www.roll-of-honour.org.uk/Cemeteries/Labuan_Memorial/

bslee
20-01-2010, 12:46 PM
The Japanese will never apologize. They have a sense of pride perhaps unequalled. Death is not an issue...no prisoners...that kind of mindset.
No resolve lah...
If any people wanna improve, you adapt and use the good points of other cultures and use it to your benefit...simple as that. I don't see any arguement about look east, west north or south.
Life will go on despite events and consequences of war. Move on otherwise life will be miserable.

bslee
20-01-2010, 01:40 PM
OTH, There's still lots of British veterans living/retired who saw action during Malaya's Emergency and Indonesian confrontation era. Plainly they were fighting other people's war (lets not include Iraq and Afghanistan) in a place full of snakes, mosquitoes and the horrors of tropical jungles.
For info, in recent years, Malaysian government have quietly awarded them the PJM (Pingat Jasa Malaysia) and PM Najib was there at the initial ceremony in London. I don't know why but this event didn't make big news here.. hush, hush for some reason?.

chewie
20-01-2010, 01:53 PM
Lastnight I watch History Channel 555 on 'back to sandakan'. Briefly it is the story of how the Japanese ordered the death march of some 2500 Australian POWs from sandakan to Ranau in 1941. Most of them perished for protecting Malaya except about 6 survivors. It was until the American that came to get rid of the Japanese in 1945 .

It was a enlightening program that reminded me of my late father who hated the japanese and till this day , the Japanese Government have not officially apologise. So it make me think that so many foriegn forces have help liberalised Malaya and we should be grateful to them. Instead we look east.

Over at Kundasang (Ranau), there is an Australian War Memorial there. When I was there, did not enter there as they are charges to enter.

From Sandakan to Ranau is a very very long walk. As now, driving to Sandakan from Ranau, it will take roughly 8 hours. Cant really imagine during that time when they walk. Dont know it take how many weeks.

Nick Chia
21-01-2010, 10:41 AM
It is interesting to note the following;-

The British colonised Malaya and did the following;-

a) They help to fight the communists
b) They created a great infrastructure ,roads and railways.
c) They created a great Education system
d) They created a Great Judicial system
e) They created tin mine and estate
f0 They created a great parlimentary system
g) They created a great public administrative system
and the greatest of all they give us Independence.

Now, TDM
a) He took back Seri Carcosa, a big mansion given by the First Prime Minister Tengku Abdul Rahman for giving us 'Merdeka'
b) He try to blackmail the British by cornering them on the London Tin issue and got us badly burned.
c) He forces the british to sell back all the estates like mugabe.
d) He changes all the education system to bahasa medium and now encourages english
d) He prefer to trade with Japan, who killed our citizens and Britishs , Australians in 1941 to rebuff the West.
e) He took back almost everything including the royalty's privileges .

Thank God , he is a baby now.

Sentinel
21-01-2010, 11:51 AM
One of the greatest legacy of the British rule in Malaya was the great education system... you cannot deny that all the mission schools and the convents and all the SRJK Inggeris were the greatest gift from the British. But our dumb idiotic pemimpin penyeleweng has to destroy this legacy!

bslee
21-01-2010, 11:57 AM
One legacy from British punitive treatment is the ROTAN!.. or corporal punishment.
Yes you all learn from that somehow!.
OTH, Imagine if the Dutch were the colonizers instead of Brits...it would have been very very different. They left our neighbor in shambles on their independence.


It is interesting to note the following;-
The British colonised Malaya and did the following;-


In many ways India benefitted from British Rule and hated them terribly. OTH, in recent times, so many migrated to UK, even speak cockney too and adapt themselves to being very British.. how amazing.

Sentinel
21-01-2010, 12:04 PM
One legacy from British punitive treatment is the ROTAN!.. or corporal punishment.
Yes you all learn from that somehow!.
OTH, Imagine if the Dutch were the colonizers instead of Brits...it would have been very very different. They left our neighbor in shambles on their independence.
If you ever see those Dutch-Javanese Eurasian girls in Bandung.... I always thought they were the best thing from the Dutch colonialists in Indonesia, no? :D

bslee
21-01-2010, 12:07 PM
If you ever see those Dutch-Javanese Eurasian girls in Bandung.... I always thought they were the best thing from the Dutch colonialists in Indonesia, no? :D

Anneke Gronloh?... she's now living in Netherlands, even having new cd albums lately.
I know there's many former Indonesians living in Netherlands and they have their own community activities there. Of course they speak Dutch!

BTW, I secretly suspect my MIL is half Brit. (Could be confirmed if I did a DNA test) I'm sure freckles and reddish hair is not exactly Asian.

Hiliary
21-01-2010, 12:10 PM
One legacy from British punitive treatment is the ROTAN!.. or corporal punishment.
Yes you all learn from that somehow!.
OTH, Imagine if the Dutch were the colonizers instead of Brits...it would have been very very different. They left our neighbor in shambles on their independence.

From wiki, Britain abolished the use of the judicial birch in 1948, but was still used in prisons until 1962. Elsewhere in Europe it was used until 1976.
Hmm, 48 years without the birch.

Don't forget the British 3 pin plug, it could have been US colonizers and then it would be the dangerous 2 pin plug :D

Sentinel
21-01-2010, 12:17 PM
Anneke Gronloh?... she's now living in Netherlands, even having new cd albums lately.
I know there's many former Indonesians living in Netherlands and they have their own community activities there. Of course they speak Dutch!

BTW, I secretly suspect my MIL is half Brit. (Could be confirmed if I did a DNA test) I'm sure freckles and reddish hair is not exactly Asian.
Some of the prettiest ladies in this region are those Javanese-Dutch mixed blood in Bandung and Solo... no doubt about it... ever wonder why our Home Minister likes to ride his motorcycle in Bandung? Can't be the cool mountain air alone right?

bslee
21-01-2010, 12:21 PM
.........snipped........ride his motorcycle in Bandung? Can't be the cool mountain air alone right?

There's just some things or many things can't get or enjoy here, so find it there loh! :D