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USJ27Resident
18-01-2010, 05:17 PM
Help.

Would any of you guys be able to source for an AFFORDABLE foldable (multi angles) aluminium ladder. Plan to DIY (paint) my outside walls and would require a multi-angles/foldable ladder to reach the upper/awkward parts. Using the pad-brush method which is FAST,CHEAPER and EFFIECIENT too.

Have inquired and the cheapest ladder that fits the job is about RM480 - a sum (paint is only gonna cost RM320!) that I don't want to waste for a single job and then have it stored away till the next job. I already have a 6' and a 4' normal aluminium ladders which unfortunately cannot be used for the job. Those multi-angles ones which I am referring to are the type that if it is opened up fully - the reach is like a 12' single ladder.

The other option is.... if I could borrow (or rent! :eek: :p ) one for a week or two, from a fellow forummer .... anyone?? can ah!? Kam-sia in advance...

patrick
18-01-2010, 06:08 PM
Hey friend, let me share with you for what it's worth. For exterior of house, better to let the pros do the job lah! Firstly, you got to do the job pretty fast and efficient in case it rains. Second, you have to strip the old paint before putting on new coat otherwise it will start peeling before long. Third, climbing and painting on exterior wall can be hazardous. Even professionals have known to fall. One of my relatives fell and ended up in hospital with a few broken teeth. And mind you, climbing exterior is not alien to him. Yet....

Just my two sens.

bslee
18-01-2010, 06:43 PM
Have you any idea what contractors are charging nowadays for painting the exterior? (moreover its often 1 or 2 laborer painters from next door land for a day's work or 2) My testics shrunk to the size of peanuts on hearing the quotes. But then there are people willing to pay anyhow.

VeeJay
18-01-2010, 07:46 PM
My home was painted by us..they family! :D It was worth it!

I painted last year 2008 Dec together with my wifey and Kids. It took us a month...yeah I know its long but since DIY, I could only work on mostly weekends and some weekdays... It been a year now and paint still very good, but my neighbor did theirs about the same time, and less than a year, I see them repainting. They hired a contractor...not sure why, but they didnt strip well.

DIY is fun, and its an experience that you wont forget, my kids even had their palm print on the walls as a decorative :cool:

BTW, USJ27Resident's you could borrow my ladder, but they are not foldable. MIne is 8ft...so pakai kayu panjanglah, for painting.

USJ27Resident
18-01-2010, 08:18 PM
Hey friend, let me share with you for what it's worth. For exterior of house, better to let the pros do the job lah! Firstly, you got to do the job pretty fast and efficient in case it rains. Second, you have to strip the old paint before putting on new coat otherwise it will start peeling before long. Third, climbing and painting on exterior wall can be hazardous. Even professionals have known to fall. One of my relatives fell and ended up in hospital with a few broken teeth. And mind you, climbing exterior is not alien to him. Yet....

Just my two sens.

thanks for the concern, pat... but like what bslee has mentioned - our "so-called" PROFESSIONAL painters are usually one or two of those missing 39,000 indian or bangladeshi nationals hired by some chinaman contractor that charges up to 4K to paint (just exterior only) the house... and pays peanuts to those fellas...

I really don't wanna be responsible if the bloke falls and hurts himself... or worst, kills himself while painting my hse...

well - glad to say that I'm pretty handy with the paintbrushs/paintpads and trust in [mischievious grin!! ;)] Allah to keep me safe... :D

Veejay: thanks for the offer - but 8' is way to long of a ladder to put in my car boot.... I'll pass...

Sentinel
18-01-2010, 09:51 PM
My friend, let the pros do it lah. Its risky lah climbing on those 12-footer ladders... Save money doing the painting inside the house lah, leave the outside to them.

Exocet
18-01-2010, 10:22 PM
Hi I actually have a 14 ft "W" folding ladder I recently bought for 400 plus.

I wouldn't mind lending you but I agree that you leave the outside to the pros. Your life is worth more than what your contractor charge.

Regards.

USJ27Resident
18-01-2010, 10:27 PM
Hi I actually have a 14 ft "W" folding ladder I recently bought for 400 plus.

I wouldn't mind lending you....

Regards.

Thanks - still prefer to do the job on my own la... :D where's your location and if ok - a hp number - PM me the details, I come pick up... PINJAM for a short moment... get this done, most likely before CNY :)

fRaNkY
18-01-2010, 10:42 PM
I did that (painting the house) 5 years ago... and ache here and there for more than 2 weeks.... :D

Its cheap but worth it?

kwchang
18-01-2010, 10:55 PM
This fler, can easily afford paying for the best external painter he can find. But I guess he has too much time on his hands. As a friend, I too will tell him he probably stood in the sun a bit too long the last 2 weeks and now wants to paint his own house's exterior. Too bad he isn't an Englishman, otherwise we can attribute it to the midday sun.

We had TT the 2nd Friday of Jan (no TT on the 1st Fri since it was a national holiday) and discussed his roof painting ... I guess he was already thinking about painting his house then.

I thought I'd keep quiet and hoping that after failing to get his 12-footer folding ladder, he'd give up and call Alan instead ... well, now he has an offer from someone, and a 14 footer sommore :(

OK Resident, if you find it easier to get the 12-footer from me, you know how to contact me ... but not Weds becoz I'm not free on that day.

fRaNkY
18-01-2010, 11:06 PM
Check the price of paints...it had gone up!~ :D

currymee
19-01-2010, 08:27 AM
Normally, I would hire the contractor for their labour and buy the paint myself as then I can ensure that they use how many coats, thick or thin etc etc .... since I am not so good with roof heights unlike USJ27. They charge a bit extra for just labour but at least you get the type of finishing and quality that you want.

USJ27Resident
19-01-2010, 10:20 AM
This fler, can easily afford paying for the best external painter he can find. But I guess he has too much time on his hands....

OK Resident, if you find it easier to get the 12-footer from me, you know how to contact me ... but not Weds becoz I'm not free on that day.

Nope... din stand in the sun too long neither do I have tooo much time on hands... but with wifey (perfectionist!) and myself being a fussy pot - heck, wouldn't you be :mad: if the job done is not done properly - I've had my fair share of disappointments when it comes to some contractors...

Will kacau you for the 12 footer (soon!) if the other forummer dun contact me with his hp...

ps: mebbe if/when I get retrenched - I know what business to branch out too... :p

pps: err... kwchang, how many bananas wud you charge for 1-2weeks rental for the 12 footer... LoL!!

thanks guys!!

bslee
19-01-2010, 10:59 AM
I had in mind to buy a double set of 20ft ladder (like the ones air con or other contractors use) but put on hold due to security reason or two. I intended this for servicing or troublehooting my air con and painting the exterior if need be. I know I can easily order through the hardware shop, no problem...just the cost. BTW, talking about ladders, I've seen quite a few (cheaper cost) alluminum A-type ladders in the hardware shops. IMHO, they're of thinner gauge aluminum extrusion and in short... flimsy and not very safe to use, especially the 8 step and above. Cost cutting measures for sure. Just my thoughts.

Rhiga
19-01-2010, 11:06 AM
Hi USJ27Resident,

Havenít met you before but I guess you are older than me. :D

Seriously, with whatever reasons Ė high expectation on quality, perfectionist, handy in paint job, fun, etc. I think it is good to outsource the job, donít DIY.

Cheers

bslee
19-01-2010, 11:35 AM
I think (am not boasting here) I've acquired great experience in handling and interior painting (not to mention DIY spray painting although hazardous). Sometime last year I painted the entire interior of my home and WITH A GREAT QUALITY PAINT 3" emulsion BRUSH, never using a roller which gives a coarse finish anyhow. I used exactly 2 litres of Pentalite for my living area (2 coats). My living area ain't big like other homes, so 2 liters is just right. Another 2 litres to cover 2 areas of plaster ceiling downstairs.

The art of thinning down the paint will also enhance savings and minimum wastage. Never use paint right out of a tin. It must be thinned up to 50% water, UNLESS like some special paints I've come across do not recommend thinning. OK.. do your own research and form your own conclusions. Just increasing my post count here....hahaha!

USJ27Resident
19-01-2010, 11:52 AM
Hi USJ27Resident,

Havenít met you before but I guess you are older than me. :D

Older??? :eek: dunno... lemme go check.... :D

remind me to splatter you with paint - if/when I see you... for making me find out my age !!! Dang!!! :D

Minuteman
19-01-2010, 11:59 AM
Hi,

I have a 16' W frame ladder, a 8' A frame and a 11' A frame. However if you want to do an external job, I suggest using scaffolding. I have the 6' & 3' type with steel platform (not those 2 by 4 timber used by most contractors). If you have solid flat ground, I can lend you the wheels as it is easy to just push them along. For a double story house, one only need 3 section of the 6' scaffolding and you can reach most part of the house. Scaffolding is very much safer to use and can easily mount 2 -3 person without much fuss.

The only problem is by this coming Mon, I need them back (by Sun evening) as I have a job in Tropicana to do for the entire week.

USJ27Resident
19-01-2010, 12:01 PM
thanks guys -

now got a few options - will buzz either one of you guys soon...

kamsia kamsia...

patrick
19-01-2010, 03:24 PM
thanks guys -

now got a few options - will buzz either one of you guys soon...

kamsia kamsia...

You are obviously bent on doing this yourself. What else can I say??? Except...please be careful, be very careful. And if you are doing in the hot mid day sun, take plenty of water to prevent dehydration. All it takes is a bit of giddyness....and from a just a 12 feet height.....serious consequences can arise. Please take care. I treasure my friends and fellow forumers.

bslee
19-01-2010, 04:34 PM
. All it takes is a bit of giddyness....and from a just a 12 feet height.....serious consequences can arise. Please take care. I treasure my friends and fellow forumers.

Our friend here may rig up a parachute on the back? :D

patrick
19-01-2010, 04:53 PM
Our friend here may rig up a parachute on the back? :D

He can, but what's the point? Parachute wont even open from that height !! Unless he places a safety airbag below. That reminds me of the time when I was staying in SS12. The contractor thought he was a pro and knew everything. I told him to check for electrical wire when drilling but he gave me a cynical grin. And sure enough, he drilled right into a live wire. Somehow, he lived to tell the tale!! Bottom line is accidents can happen and do happen.

Minuteman
19-01-2010, 08:48 PM
If you use a ladder and if you faint, there is little help. That is why for OSHA compliance, we have to use scaffolding along with safety harness. It is actually very risky and tiring to do painting using a long ladder as we have to use one hand to hold on and the other doing the painting job. With proper scaffolding, we can stand or even sit down and both our hands are free to work with. At the same time we can carry more equipment up there and lessen the need to climb up & down....except for going to the toilet.

bslee
19-01-2010, 08:57 PM
Scaffolding is the near ultimate for most exterior jobs or high up. Most folks here won't even consider acquiring one for keeps unless one justifies the purpose on in the business. Most folks here and even me won't even think of owning any.
I was once a factory wireman in the past and have experienced putting it up multi storey to factory roof height all alone to do conduit wiring up there. Yes, I've experienced it before. Those were the days and still not afraid of heights so far.

darylchan
20-01-2010, 10:20 AM
I know exactly what u mean by if u want something done right, u gotta do it yourself. That said, there are some jobs you should compromise on and let a pro do the job. BTW my house was done by a chinese painter and was very affordable. Perhaps you might wanna try calling him for a quote. PM me if interested.

patrick
20-01-2010, 05:38 PM
I know exactly what u mean by if u want something done right, u gotta do it yourself. That said, there are some jobs you should compromise on and let a pro do the job. BTW my house was done by a chinese painter and was very affordable. Perhaps you might wanna try calling him for a quote. PM me if interested.

USJ27RESIDENT, please.... call darylchan for the contact. Not everyone can be BSLEE ! Daryl has made a very valid comment. But it's your choice!!

USJ27Resident
20-01-2010, 06:41 PM
USJ27RESIDENT, please.... call darylchan for the contact. Not everyone can be BSLEE ! Daryl has made a very valid comment. But it's your choice!!

aiyo... you making me scared la... :eek: I normally no fear on heights but now you keep telling me not to, not to...

.... imagine if I was a girl and you saying no sex, no sex... sure mulut masin - sure get pregnant oiiii.... [peranakan exclaimation!] :p

.... then again, mebbe I am a "younger" version of BSLee... :D

CS Chua
21-01-2010, 02:40 AM
The prices quoted by local handy man is reaching ridiculous proportion. I can understand why USJ27Resident wants to do it himself because I do some of it myself too. How can a person going up a roof for 5 minutes to repair a leak justify a fee of RM120? And he is already there doing other works! Even my doctor only charge RM35 per consultation which can take 10 minutes! My mechanic is charging me RM250.00 to take down my engine and transmission to repair a leak and I had to leave it overnight because of the time taken. Compare these figures to what the handy man is charging. They have been known to charge a few hundreds for going up the roof and doing some simple plumbing.

A fair way of charging is by hour. Say, RM50 per hour. And minimum 2 hours per trip. That to me is acceptable.

USJ27Resident
02-03-2010, 12:24 AM
The prices quoted by local handy man is reaching ridiculous proportion....

what to do... its either YOU pay or YOU DIY...

even the aircond servicing oso nowadays expensive like hell... those (zaman pak kadok) days, pay rm50-80 and they clean the aircond inside out... PLUS top up gas...
Nowaday... don't hope.... I got quoted RM150 for standard service (what the heck is standard service?) and must pay more if required chemical service/clean :confused:

Heck - now MUST learn to service own aircond pulak....

ps: guys: any recommendations ??? thanks.

Sentinel
02-03-2010, 12:32 AM
Stingy poker... penny wise pound foolish... kedekut! Go get someone to do it lah.... :D

jan tomaswaki
02-03-2010, 07:49 AM
what to do... its either YOU pay or YOU DIY...
even the aircond servicing oso nowadays expensive like hell... those (zaman pak kadok) days, pay rm50-80 and they clean the aircond inside out... PLUS top up gas...
Nowaday... don't hope.... I got quoted RM150 for standard service (what the heck is standard service?) and must pay more if required chemical service/clean :confused:
Heck - now MUST learn to service own aircond pulak....
ps: guys: any recommendations ??? thanks.

You are behind time,usual service is around RM120-RM150 means cleaning and taking out and gas .Make sure don't get con.Ask specifically first.

currymee
02-03-2010, 07:59 AM
what to do... its either YOU pay or YOU DIY...

even the aircond servicing oso nowadays expensive like hell... those (zaman pak kadok) days, pay rm50-80 and they clean the aircond inside out... PLUS top up gas...
Nowaday... don't hope.... I got quoted RM150 for standard service (what the heck is standard service?) and must pay more if required chemical service/clean :confused:

Heck - now MUST learn to service own aircond pulak....

ps: guys: any recommendations ??? thanks.

USJ27, you kena GASAK already !!! RM80- is for standard (water and vacuum)and RM120-150 is for chemical (where they strip down and take the indoor unit outside for a chemical and water wash) - don't patron those that spray chemicals direct on to the unit without taking it outside for a rinse - the chemicals will eat/corrode the fins etc etc ....

bslee
02-03-2010, 10:13 AM
Price for R22 refrigerant gas ain't exactly cheap nowadays. Last I enquired was some RM130 for a tong of this gas. I think I still have some remainder.
But then again, the price for tools, labor, expertise, transport and time spent on doing up your air con have inflated to some degree. Unless you DIY to save cost. Last year, I DIY serviced 3 used a/c before installing them up. A spray of dilute chemical and high pressure pump jet cleaning the fan coil does the trick superbly. Had to be very careful on the chemical.

tupai
02-03-2010, 02:46 PM
u can use my friend's aircon contractor. This guy , Ah Lim, services all the 20+ aircon units on a regular basis. He is reliable, trustworthy and more importantly service oriented.

his charges are also reasonable.

PM me for his contact if u want...

Yang Banyak aircon ada latotupai :p

bslee
02-03-2010, 02:56 PM
Can ask him ah?.. labor charge only to remove the unit, after I DIY wash, he install back the air con and refill gas. Trouble is I don't have 24ft fireman's ladder to reinstall back the fan coil unit. I prefer DIY wash the fan coil to my own expectation.

USJ27Resident
03-03-2010, 08:38 AM
Stingy poker... penny wise pound foolish... kedekut! Go get someone to do it lah.... :D

Stingy poker??? dunno about being stingy... but being a poker... hmmm, have to ask the girlfriends on that.... LoL! :P

Wakakakkaaaa!! Must be a trace of Jewish blood somewhere in my genes... :p

ok ok... ain't gonna take to learning on how to do airconds pulak... will contact Tupai's Ah Lim to do another Lims' airconds instead.... mebbe same surname - can goreng for additional discounts... kihkihkih! see... being thrifty again...

:) :D :p