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Blue Jasmine
15-01-2010, 10:21 AM
yesterday went to ambank taipan around 9.45pm to do banking .Suddenly overheard an african man (early 30s maybe) talking in a loud tone. When i looked i noticed he was scolding a chinese girl. late 20s, early 30s , kinda big in size. The man was yelling at her, and she was so scared she look down at the floor. Later he ask her something like this ''what were you doing outside there!!!! tell me what !!! ha is this how you show respect to me!!!'' It was really loud then after a while she begged him ..''Please dont do this...thiis the public area''. Afterthat he only realized that there were people in the bank as well and spoke in a angry but softer tone. I walk away as i finished the transaction and wonder what did the chinese girl did to received this type of treatment. I also wonder wouldn't it be better just to stick on same true friends....Just something to ponder on.

Jey
15-01-2010, 11:16 AM
Why speculate when you dont know head or tail of what was going on between 2 total strangers?


I also wonder wouldn't it be better just to stick on same true friends

Wonder what is meant by this? It's wrong for her to have "befriended" him since he's an African? :confused:

tupai
15-01-2010, 12:22 PM
some1 is a shallow bias bigot here :(


Yang Berkawan&Berlovin' ramairamai latotupai :D

Blue Jasmine
15-01-2010, 02:30 PM
Why speculate when you dont know head or tail of what was going on between 2 total strangers?



Wonder what is meant by this? It's wrong for her to have "befriended" him since he's an African? :confused:


hey im not being a racist here. Im wondering why he was intimidating her with all they yelling and drama at a public place. Whats your problem here? true friends dont yell at you...am i saying african or chinese or malay...please read properly before you start and assume that i dont approved an african as a Fren!!!

Blue Jasmine
15-01-2010, 02:33 PM
some1 is a shallow bias bigot here :(


Yang Berkawan&Berlovin' ramairamai latotupai :D


if you were there i think you may have call the cops in already.

Naka
15-01-2010, 02:39 PM
Banks are so busy meh, they even open at night...must be domestic problems taken to the bank. :confused:

Rhiga
15-01-2010, 02:40 PM
I said before, perception does not happen overnight. It came from repeated experience/incident.

The overall image of African in this country has formed a negative perception that………

Don’t argue with me, I said overall not all…and of course there are plenty of exceptions of good African studying/residing/travelling here.

Blue Jasmine
15-01-2010, 02:45 PM
I said before, perception does not happen overnight. It came from repeated experience/incident.

The overall image of African in this country has formed a negative perception that………

Don’t argue with me, I said overall not all…and of course there are plenty of exceptions of good African studying/residing/travelling here.


I total agree with you...i wasnt even talking about race or befriending a african. I just wanted to ask for opinion whether is this call a domestic violence or harrassment. Even if she was willing what will the law do to protect the women in this case. Then suddenly out of nowhere this Jey and fellow Tupai go and bash me from the back. Capital L you want to fight pick someone your same size.

jan tomaswaki
15-01-2010, 02:55 PM
Banks are so busy meh, they even open at night...must be domestic problems taken to the bank. :confused:
You don't know meh,got air con mah :D :D

jan tomaswaki
15-01-2010, 02:58 PM
I total agree with you...i wasnt even talking about race or befriending a african. I just wanted to ask for opinion whether is this call a domestic violence or harrassment. Even if she was willing what will the law do to protect the women in this case. Then suddenly out of nowhere this Jey and fellow Tupai go and bash me from the back. Capital L you want to fight pick someone your same size.
I think lato tupai is not refering to you but someone else......

AllUrban
15-01-2010, 03:12 PM
I total agree with you...i wasnt even talking about race or befriending a african. I just wanted to ask for opinion whether is this call a domestic violence or harrassment. Even if she was willing what will the law do to protect the women in this case. Then suddenly out of nowhere this Jey and fellow Tupai go and bash me from the back. Capital L you want to fight pick someone your same size.Although I think it is a bit inappropriate, Im sure you meant nothing of mentioning the race of the two people involved.

Just as you may have meant nothing of mentioning the sex/gender of the two people involved.

But in Malaysia, some people use race to discriminate by forming various (and sometimes stereotypical) perceptions of different races. And many people use gender the same way, having different expectations of men and women.

Ive always found that it makes me feel uncomfortable but it passes for appropriate among many people here.

Those who read your posting would form their own perception of what bias you might or might not have but they should remember that they have their own biases

In a strictly gender-neutral, non-racial way, I would say that of course people should not yell or get angry in a public place, whether it is a bank or forum or restaurant.

And it is probably appropriate to remind ourselves that speaking loudly, pointing, making agressive gestures and pounding fists is not considered appropriate behaviour in Malaysia.

As for your comment on 'same true friends' how can you determine the status of their friendship? Sometimes people get angry and forget themselves but that does not mean that they are not true friends. It just means that they have anger management issues (or other deeper issues).

Cheers, m

Naka
15-01-2010, 03:13 PM
You don't know meh,got air con mah :D :D

Oh I see. :D

rachel sj
15-01-2010, 03:25 PM
yesterday went to ambank taipan around 9.45pm to do banking .Suddenly overheard an african man (early 30s maybe) talking in a loud tone. When i looked i noticed he was scolding a chinese girl. late 20s, early 30s , kinda big in size. The man was yelling at her, and she was so scared she look down at the floor. Later he ask her something like this ''what were you doing outside there!!!! tell me what !!! ha is this how you show respect to me!!!'' It was really loud then after a while she begged him ..''Please dont do this...thiis the public area''. Afterthat he only realized that there were people in the bank as well and spoke in a angry but softer tone. I walk away as i finished the transaction and wonder what did the chinese girl did to received this type of treatment. I also wonder wouldn't it be better just to stick on same true friends....Just something to ponder on.

To be fair to Blue Jasmine, I dont think she meant to be racist about the men who scolded his women companion (need not be affectionately connected)...but just as a women, I think it's truly ugly and unpleasant to witness our own kind to be humiliated in a public place like this !

AllUrban
15-01-2010, 03:43 PM
To be fair to Blue Jasmine, I dont think she meant to be racist about the men who scolded his women companion (need not be affectionately connected)...but just as a women, I think it's truly ugly and unpleasant to witness our own kind to be humiliated in a public place like this !by 'our own kind' you mean 'a woman' or 'a chinese' or a 'chinese woman'? :D

If it were a man (of whatever race) being yelled at would it be as ugly to most of us? :rolleyes:

Cheers, m

rachel sj
15-01-2010, 04:26 PM
by 'our own kind' you mean 'a woman' or 'a chinese' or a 'chinese woman'? :D

If it were a man (of whatever race) being yelled at would it be as ugly to most of us? :rolleyes:

Cheers, m

Of course i mean the general interpretation ie a "women"...did I mention I am a chinese ? if not, from where u gather that "my own" refers to a "chinese women" ??

Blue Jasmine
15-01-2010, 05:12 PM
To be fair to Blue Jasmine, I dont think she meant to be racist about the men who scolded his women companion (need not be affectionately connected)...but just as a women, I think it's truly ugly and unpleasant to witness our own kind to be humiliated in a public place like this !


That was what i felt but didnt understand why....i felt bad for her...and i wonder why we as women is always humilated in public or in the forum as well.

kwchang
15-01-2010, 05:12 PM
Oooo ... argument on the Forum .... better get ready the plantation quarters ... might have some banana harvesters visiting soon eh ? :D :rolleyes:

Fang Su
15-01-2010, 07:17 PM
by 'our own kind' you mean 'a woman' or 'a chinese' or a 'chinese woman'? :D

If it were a man (of whatever race) being yelled at would it be as ugly to most of us? :rolleyes:

Cheers, m

I understood what Blue Jasmine and Rachel SJ wrote without the slightest difficutly. There is no need to twist and turn and play with words. Life is very simple. No need to make it complicated.

:)

Sentinel
15-01-2010, 09:09 PM
Of course i mean the general interpretation ie a "women"...did I mention I am a chinese ? if not, from where u gather that "my own" refers to a "chinese women" ??
Ha Ha Ha! This is getting funny. Nothing was said by Blue Jasmine but others seem to have tried reading between the lines. Same with AllUrban also read Rachelsj's but there ain't nothing there about her being Chinese or otherwise.... all the so-called 'liberals' showing their true colours, don't challenge me okay, I also read between the lines of your between the lines... :D

Sentinel
15-01-2010, 09:13 PM
Oooo ... argument on the Forum .... better get ready the plantation quarters ... might have some banana harvesters visiting soon eh ? :D :rolleyes:Whats wrong with some adults getting excited in arguing out some points?... you are always taking fun out of interesting topics by always threatening bananas when they are not absolutely necessary. Banana those that are out to cause mischief and disruptions and those who make irresponsible postings or flaming but not when adults argue on points of understandings (or misunderstandings) it is only healthy. Please do not treat us like irresponsible kids lah...

Jey
15-01-2010, 11:51 PM
hey im not being a racist here. Im wondering why he was intimidating her with all they yelling and drama at a public place. Whats your problem here? true friends dont yell at you...am i saying african or chinese or malay...please read properly before you start and assume that i dont approved an african as a Fren!!!

From what you have described, it sounds like a typical lovers' spat to me. This is why I wanted to know what is the fuss you are raising here? What they argue is their business. All couples argue one time or another. Does that warrant you calling the police or does that give you an excuse to be a busybody?

Since you dont know them both, why are you so kaypoh? Until you have to open a thread in a public forum to "ponder" this?

Remember, all I did was ask you questions. I didn't call you a racist. But from the way you have over-reacted by being over defensive, I think its plainly obvious to see that you are a racist. The reason is you haven't answered my questions but claimed that me and Tupai had whacked you from "behind"?

First you described the man as African, then you described the lady as Chinese. Then after describing the "happenings" you went on and asked this question;

wouldn't it be better just to stick on same true friends. I think it will be interesting to hear you explain your above statement.

Also....why need to kaypoh so much? Almost every couple argue, you want to call the police? Why dont you learn to mind your own business? Also trying to exaggerate the whole thing to make your "busibodyness" seem justified?
Calling it "domestic violence" or "harassment"? If you are going to rant and rave about all this, you should keep this inside the recesses of your racist mind and not spew your filth all over a public foum.

some1 is a shallow bias bigot here :(


Yang Berkawan&Berlovin' ramairamai latotupai :D
Yes, I think tupai is right after all.

tupai
16-01-2010, 02:22 PM
...

Yes, I think tupai is right after all.

Heheheheh...now i humbly submit, how oft do i git tings wlong, eh? :D :D

the last time i intervened and kay-po'd in a Big-man-&-half-pint woman-lover's very loud and brawling quarrel...some1 got sent to the hospital :p

Now i learned the usj-perfected fine-art of gawking from the sideline and then speculate on Ys in usj.com forum :p and along the way, psych meself to be richly banana'd :D by the ever boring *yawn* killer-of-joy, and wet-blanky moderation... :eek:

Yang Bo-chap latotupai :cool:

firefox
16-01-2010, 02:28 PM
Its being a boring day why did i open this forum?..i am off for a siesta! yawn........

Blue Jasmine
18-01-2010, 10:46 AM
From what you have described, it sounds like a typical lovers' spat to me. This is why I wanted to know what is the fuss you are raising here? What they argue is their business. All couples argue one time or another. Does that warrant you calling the police or does that give you an excuse to be a busybody?

Since you dont know them both, why are you so kaypoh? Until you have to open a thread in a public forum to "ponder" this?

Remember, all I did was ask you questions. I didn't call you a racist. But from the way you have over-reacted by being over defensive, I think its plainly obvious to see that you are a racist. The reason is you haven't answered my questions but claimed that me and Tupai had whacked you from "behind"?

First you described the man as African, then you described the lady as Chinese. Then after describing the "happenings" you went on and asked this question;
. I think it will be interesting to hear you explain your above statement.

Also....why need to kaypoh so much? Almost every couple argue, you want to call the police? Why dont you learn to mind your own business? Also trying to exaggerate the whole thing to make your "busibodyness" seem justified?
Calling it "domestic violence" or "harassment"? If you are going to rant and rave about all this, you should keep this inside the recesses of your racist mind and not spew your filth all over a public foum.

Yes, I think tupai is right after all.

you are over dramatic..life still goes on and im so suprised that you are stuck in your little world getting angry over something that i have said...wow...thanks for the honour dude...and since you are so dramatic is never good to argue with you cause...…"Never argue with fools, they'd drag you down to their level and then beat you from their vast experience."

Jey
18-01-2010, 11:20 AM
Me angry? I'm just cool. Thanks for reminding me the reason not to argue with you...

Also everyone can see thru your racist ramblings called "something to ponder" which you could not defend with logic when confronted. That is why you had to make angry remarks and outbursts. Because your true position is exposed for all to see.

Like I advised you, should keep your racist ramblings inside your racist mind and not open up a racist thread and thereby showing everyone what a low-class low mentality you are. Yeah, I gues there is nothing more for me to add. Otherwise I cannot live by my own signature. Should you continue this tirade and find me not responding in kind, the answer could be found in my signature.

:D

Fang Su
18-01-2010, 12:16 PM
I do not see any racism in Blue Jasmine's posts.

And for the ultra-liberals, there is a thin line between racism and pragmatism. Everybody is a racist at one time or another. And it has nothing to do with the colour of the skin.

kwchang
18-01-2010, 01:43 PM
...everyone can see thru your racist ramblings ...should keep your racist ramblings inside your racist mind and not open up a racist thread and thereby showing everyone what a low-class low mentality you are...
That is a lot of 'opinion' and conjecture. Nonetheless you have already gotten personal and called names .... violation of rules

Jey
18-01-2010, 02:07 PM
Well Chang maybe I did break the rules, and I have no problem with that banana. However, I stand by what I said. Allow me to justify how I arrived at this conclusion.

what did the chinese girl did to received this type of treatment. I also wonder wouldn't it be better just to stick on same true friends....Just something to ponder on.
First off the thread title of something to ponder on shows there is a point being pondered, which can be found on the last sentence which is this “wouldn't it be better just to stick on same true friends”. The whole story is about an African man who seems to have a little excited (albeit loud) exchange with his companion. And after realizing they are being heard, hushed down his tone.
Now, even though the construct of that sentence is bad grammatically and shows a poor command of the English language, it fails to hide the racial undertone associated with it. The question of “what did the Chinese girl...” shows a racial slant because the same question can also be asked like this “What did this girl....” which shows racial neutrality. Its already been emphasized that the parties to the incident happens to be an African man and Chinese lady.. so the repeat and emphasis of that question “what did that Chinese girl...” unmistakably denotes that the whole question is having to do with racial undertone rather than that “cock& bull” story of men treating women badly etc... which was later concocted as a defence when the true position was exposed.
Secondly the last question seems to confirm the racial undertone of the first question.... which is “wouldn't it be better just to stick on same true friends”... Now if the preceding question and the whole story is about one African man and one Chinese girl...what would the word “same” here mean? In other words it carries the same meaning as saying “wouldn’t it be better to stick with same race friends”. What else could the word “same” here denote when the preceding question is emphasized on the racial makeup of the parties?

Now further confirmations can be had by other means as well;

1. No one accused her of being a racist since all I wanted was clarifications by questioning “what is meant by that sentence”. But the reaction was denial of the word “racist”. Why deny something when no one has accused you in the first place? Feeling guilty so fast?

2. Tupai was immediate in his reaction when he read the whole thing and everyone knows he is blunt and straightforward. He calls a spade a spade. Notice that he could see that what was written were indeed inappropriate, thus his calling “a shallow bias bigot”. Which means that someone could immediately see that something is amiss with what’s implied. I am certainly not the only one.

3. Look at the described situation, what do you find that can be so criminal in nature that someone should ponder “why the Chinese lady should stick with him”? It seems like over “dramatisation”. Does this even justify calling the cops over... just because an African man asked “What are you doing outside there?” Everyone knows all couples argue, why pick on this couple in particular? What is so wrong in a couple arguing?

4. Why ponder ““wouldn’t it be better to stick with same true friends”. What does the word “same” here denote? Cannot be same gender, because that will be even more nonsensical. Since there was an emphasis on race on the question preceding the “pondering” question, it follows that the “same” here could only mean race. Besides it’s already been asked a few times for her to explain that sentence and she failed to do so simply because it is indefensible.

Just thought that I should explain this a little.

:D

Jey
18-01-2010, 02:11 PM
And I suppose opening a thread with a racist undertone is not breaking the rules?

:D

kwchang
18-01-2010, 02:30 PM
Sorry, Jey, to take away the thread and deprive you (or others) a chance for any last words. No sir, I try my best not to make judgement upon any posts. I cannot accuse her of being racist just because she chose to include specific details of the 2 person's race and sex in the description. Some of you chose to 'read between the lines' and thus pass judgement about her outlook. I chose to see the positive side of people. Even in your case, I see a positive side of your post because you have made people think in politically correct ways in the future when they post. I hope we all learn from this ... but alas, under our rules which prohibits flamming and arguments on the Forum, I need to close this