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jimmyay
10-01-2010, 09:11 PM
Thumbs up to Selangor Govt for implementing in "No Plastic Bag on Saturday". So remember to bring your own grocery bags. In Jusco, it cost RM0.20 per bag.

VeeJay
10-01-2010, 10:40 PM
It will be good to implement permanently, and do away with plastic (maybe with minimum charge). But generally all other items should be packed with paper bags (recycled paper bags).....

kwchang
10-01-2010, 11:19 PM
Let me relate to you my experence on the first no-plastic-bag day.

At Giant in Amcorp Mall, I got a few items and found out that no plastic bags were given on that Saturday. If I wanted one, I needed to pay 10 sen for it. My fault for not bringing a shopping bag. So I agreed to the 10 sen 'penalty'. When the cashier gave me my change for the bill, she took away 10 sen and asked my permission to put that coin in a donation box. Nice surprise, Giant was putting the 10 sen to support a donation. Sorry, I did not read what the donation box was for.

Later, I was in another supermart but this time I brought my shopping bag. The cashier was so taken aback that a customer actually brought a bag, she got confused with my change and gave me RM4.05 when the change was supposed to be 45 sen! Of course, I told her of her mistake ... :D

jimmyay
10-01-2010, 11:39 PM
Let me relate to you my experence on the first no-plastic-bag day.

At Giant in Amcorp Mall, I got a few items and found out that no plastic bags were given on that Saturday. If I wanted one, I needed to pay 10 sen for it. My fault for not bringing a shopping bag. So I agreed to the 10 sen 'penalty'. When the cashier gave me my change for the bill, she took away 10 sen and asked my permission to put that coin in a donation box. Nice surprise, Giant was putting the 10 sen to support a donation. Sorry, I did not read what the donation box was for.

Killing 2 birds with 1 stone
:) :)

xaviers
11-01-2010, 06:05 AM
Actually bringing your own bags can good for us and bad for the supermarkets

Cause when you bring your own bags, you tend to plan your purchase (i.e. whatever you buy must fit into the bags), so no more secondary/impulse purchases.

jet
11-01-2010, 07:57 AM
the best thing that has happened this year, the will to implement something beneficial, the support from the public and everyone benefit...

we haven't seen much of such effort lately.

firefox
11-01-2010, 08:06 AM
Excellent move by these supermarts, but there goes my garbage bags...need to buy some them.

jet
11-01-2010, 08:28 AM
a small price to pay, but the effort that is beneficial to our children, what we are teaching them today will go... a long way into the society.

somehow I am wondering what is the feet dragging by the other states & federal government to follow suit something beneficial to our country.

lady-o-leisure
11-01-2010, 08:45 AM
It sure is nice to hear that the no-bag policy is being started finally.
This is entirely the norm in all supermarkets in Taipei. No more bags were given in 2002 or maybe earlier than that (bad memory)
Each time i went out.. in my handbag would be a foldable reuseable bag or maybe 2 even. It took me a while to get used to the bags-provided system in Msia when i moved back. Now here in CA, they ask if u want paper pr plastic in some supermarkets and also u can bring your own bag.

In Taipei, they take it one step further, by saying NO using any trash bag for trash disposal. U have to buy specially made plastic bags for your trash. The trash collector will ONLY take trash that is in those govt-made trash bags. This is to reduce waste. In order to not spend much on trash bags, you'd separate all your recyclables which dont require any special trash bag. A separate trash collector will come to get the separated glass, paper-products, plastics, and so on.
Don't even think you can discard your trash in public trash bins coz they made those 'holes' really small, plus there are CCTVs everywhere in Taipei, so if u are caught throwing trash anywhere else, u'd be a 'star' on the news. :D

I'm all for the Bring-your-own-bag system :)

ksj_cool
11-01-2010, 08:51 AM
Normally the items bought are put into suitable plastic bags and then we load it into the trolley. Should we bring along paper bags, first of all, how many to bring? Are there proper brown paper bags like we used to have those days on sale? Should'nt supermarket make available such bags for customers to buy?

kwchang
11-01-2010, 09:44 AM
Normally the items bought are put into suitable plastic bags and then we load it into the trolley.
This should no longer be "normal". Once we do away with plastic bags, everyone should bring their own shopping bags. The shopper can bring anything to serve as a "shopping bag" ... for the sake of convenience, the default should be the hardy recyclable bags which can be folded until opened for use. However, you may decide to use cardboard boxes, rattan baskets, old plastic bags or even paper bags.

When I was a student for a short while in the UK, I brought along an empty backpack. I stuff it with my groceries because it was easier to take the bus back to campus using a backpack rather than shopping bag dangling off my arms.

To answer yr last question, Of course if any shopper forget to bring a carrier bag, they can buy one or pay a small sum for plastic bags. The whole idea is to discourage the perpetual use of plastic bags that pollute the landfills (rubbish dumps)

usjhomer
11-01-2010, 09:53 AM
shopped at carre4 digital mall and was more than pleased to know they provided old carton boxes for the convenience of customers who forgot about the no plastic bag ruling. kudos carre4

tupai
11-01-2010, 10:14 AM
in many kwai-lo countries, the supermarts there provide empty boxes of various sizes or brown bags to u.

By Jove! they even have the 3colour recycle bins right next to the checkouts. U can instantly tear out the packaging/box/stylofoam/plastic wrapping whatever, then chuck all your unwrapped goodies into the takeaway carton ...U get recycle all the individual packaging at 1go in situ. Else, u got lotsa rubbish to take out when u unwrap at home. Smart 'innit? :D

We should all go shopping with our own reusable bag or market trolley.

There really are too many plastic bags discarded willy-nilly. If you get out to island by boat, u will see plastic bags even in open seas...and turtles are eating 'em (cos they look like jelly fish ~ turtle's natural food~) and die from that 'meal' :eek: Sedih tapi benar!

Yang Bo-using plastic bag latotupai :)

AllUrban
11-01-2010, 01:41 PM
Excellent move by these supermarts, but there goes my garbage bags...need to buy some them.hahahah even with the paying for bags, you will still end up with more plastic than you will ever need.

Cheers, m

firefox
11-01-2010, 01:43 PM
Thumbs up to Selangor Govt for implementing in "No Plastic Bag on Saturday". So remember to bring your own grocery bags. In Jusco, it cost RM0.20 per bag.

I wonder if this also applies for the wet markets too?

Btw Jaya Jusco Mid Valley will carry out this once a month ie, on the 25th of each month according to their notice.

AllUrban
11-01-2010, 01:48 PM
In Taipei, they take it one step further, by saying NO using any trash bag for trash disposal. U have to buy specially made plastic bags for your trash. The trash collector will ONLY take trash that is in those govt-made trash bags. This is to reduce waste. In order to not spend much on trash bags, you'd separate all your recyclables which dont require any special trash bag. A separate trash collector will come to get the separated glass, paper-products, plastics, and so on.A very good idea, provided that you can deal with the dumping.
This should no longer be "normal". Once we do away with plastic bags, everyone should bring their own shopping bags. The shopper can bring anything to serve as a "shopping bag" ... for the sake of convenience, the default should be the hardy recyclable bags which can be folded until opened for use. However, you may decide to use cardboard boxes, rattan baskets, old plastic bags or even paper bags.plastic laundry tub is probably a good choice...light and strong and relatively easy to carry. Just remember to mark it as your own property so no one thinks you picked it up from the store itself.
shopped at carre4 digital mall and was more than pleased to know they provided old carton boxes for the convenience of customers who forgot about the no plastic bag ruling. kudos carre4
m's parents used to shop at a place called knob hill farms which was a massive food wearhouse (think of a grocery store approx 15 times the size of the grocery section of Carrefour). At the entrance you were greeted with a stack of plastic boxes and rows of shopping cart. You collected 1-2 boxes and shopping cart and went ahead and shopped.

At the checkout you returned the plastic box and placed your purchased in boxes that you picked up along the way. Or, you paid CAD2 deposit and took your purchases home in the same plastic box.

There is absolutely no reason why we should take plastic bags when these reduce, reuse recycle options are available.

Cheers, m

fRaNkY
11-01-2010, 11:06 PM
I oredi kena from Carre4 on the first saturday.... luckily... only bought 4 items... each one carry one :D The cheapest bag is from Ikea only RM1.90 and can even carry a whole week of grocery (ours) :D plus free parking validation :D

fRaNkY
11-01-2010, 11:09 PM
in many kwai-lo countries,

They gave me a paperbag for my 6 packs of budlite... it didnt last 300 meters... I decided to drink 3 and bring back 3 for my 3 friends waiting :D

VeeJay
11-01-2010, 11:16 PM
I dont think we should go without bags in supermarkets, atleast brown bags (paper)A should be given, else for those who are doing monthly groceries is gonna have problem carrying more than 100 or 200 items!

fRaNkY
11-01-2010, 11:21 PM
I dont think we should go without bags in supermarkets, atleast brown bags (paper)A should be given, else for those who are doing monthly groceries is gonna have problem carrying more than 100 or 200 items!

Get the ikea bag.... RM1.90 only

jimmyay
11-01-2010, 11:28 PM
I dont think we should go without bags in supermarkets, atleast brown bags (paper)A should be given, else for those who are doing monthly groceries is gonna have problem carrying more than 100 or 200 items!

Use the bag+trolley types.

VeeJay
11-01-2010, 11:34 PM
Get the ikea bag.... RM1.90 only

Is it, how big is it?

ivanhow
12-01-2010, 02:08 AM
The Hyermarket before Tesco took over and call it Tesco Extra, they do not provide any plastic bags all along I think. Can anyone confirm?

ivanhow
12-01-2010, 02:12 AM
I dont think we should go without bags in supermarkets, atleast brown bags (paper)A should be given, else for those who are doing monthly groceries is gonna have problem carrying more than 100 or 200 items!
There are trolleys. Perhaps bring a shopping basket. During the not-so-recent past, I use to see my sis-in-laws go market with the baskets, and come back with all the stuff in it. Haha, now maybe we are back in that era! :D

lady-o-leisure
12-01-2010, 05:40 AM
Is it, how big is it?
Ikea Bag info (http://www.theikeaway.ca/en/wwd-programs-environment-bluebag.html)

The difference between the normal supermarket plastic bags and a reusable bag, is that your reusable bag is made sturdier so you can carry more items in one bag compared to a plastic bag which usually holds just a few items in case they tear.
So if you normally leave the supermarket with 5 plastic bags, i am sure u can easily replace it with 2 sturdier reusable bags and maybe carry your laundry detergent by its handle (which most large packages/bottles hv). :D
After a while it becomes quite normal to be carrying your own bag everywhere you go. Even 7-11 in Taiwan doesn't provide bags.
Us housewife type carry large handbags anyway so i throw all the small items into my handbag.
There are several supermarkets that hv been selling reusable bags for a really long time already but no one seems to bother really. My sis used to carry her own bag too, even tho no one really did, and she would give her friends reusable bags for them to use, encouraging them to bring their own bags.
Maybe one day it will even be the norm to hv a compost bin in the yard for fruits/veggies scraps to be used as fertilizer. nice eh? My former sis-in-law in Canada had a compost bin in the corner of her yard and it was rather funny watching her run out in 3" of snow barefoot, to dump the veggie peels into the bin. (oops off-topic)

Fabe18
12-01-2010, 08:38 AM
I dont think we should go without bags in supermarkets, atleast brown bags (paper)A should be given, else for those who are doing monthly groceries is gonna have problem carrying more than 100 or 200 items!

U can always push the trolley to your car and unload them... So keep some reuseable bags in your car....
Malaysians are generally a spoilt bunch... Remember how some ppl complained when the petrol station started the self-service policy???? If we want to play our part in being green, we got to have the right mindset. "If it's to be, it's up to me" not the guy next to u... The first step starts with the man in the mirror..

VeeJay
12-01-2010, 10:07 AM
Thanks lady-o-leisure.

As I have mentioned before I am ALL for no plastics, I guess some here just post without reading the history...thats fine...

Ive been talking about removing plastics for the last 8 yrs!

The Ikea bag do assist here for monthly groceries, maybe I need to get like 10 of them! :D

kwchang
12-01-2010, 10:20 AM
...The Ikea bag do assist here for monthly groceries, maybe I need to get like 10 of them..
Have you been to IKEA? Their bags are really big, comes with a holding handle and a shoulder-hang strap if your load is too heavy to hand-hold. To help you visualise the capacity, imagine having to stuff your duvet into the bag, it will hold 2 single bed duvets nicely.

Why do you need 10 of them? I don't think you can carry all 10 bags of groceries to the car! I don't think the hypermart trolly can even hold more than 2 fully loaded IKEA bags

However, I do agree if the markets have options for free paper bags. Are you old enough to remember paperbags being used by the shops before we had supermarkets? I remember all my aunts walking around town with the paper-bags from the cloth merchants - those were tough brown bags with string handles. There was also a home industry where people made paperbags for the provision shops (mainly for rice) using brown paper and starch glue.

Nowadays, the mall shops only give you their free paperbags if you paid a large bill

LMei
12-01-2010, 10:22 AM
Don't forget to wash your re-usable bags. Studies (done by plastic bag companies :D ) have shown that they are a source of bacteria esp if you use it to carry fresh foodstuff e.g. fish/chicken.

Hiliary
12-01-2010, 10:29 AM
Don't forget to wash your re-usable bags. Studies (done by plastic bag companies :D ) have shown that they are a source of bacteria esp if you use it to carry fresh foodstuff e.g. fish/chicken.

Correct, and turn them inside out ready for next time use

currymee
12-01-2010, 10:30 AM
Don't forget to wash your re-usable bags. Studies (done by plastic bag companies :D ) have shown that they are a source of bacteria esp if you use it to carry fresh foodstuff e.g. fish/chicken.

Aiyo - thanks for the reminder - COMPLETELY SLIPPED MY MIND !!! :eek:

VeeJay
12-01-2010, 10:34 AM
aiyo...kwchang...tu macam cakap pun ( 10 bags) mau marah ke?!
:p

I havent shopped at Ikea, gua miskin mah...only window shopping there many blue moons ago. SO obviously I have no idea how big this bag is. Normally when I do my groceries, its for the month, and will be 2 trolley full.

Again, let me say it again, I have no problem if no plastic bags are given, I will find alternatives, but I was so used to paper bags, when shopping kat overseas, thats the reason I was asking about it...it will be easy to arrange in the car trunk.

Hiliary
12-01-2010, 10:45 AM
Thanks lady-o-leisure.

As I have mentioned before I am ALL for no plastics, I guess some here just post without reading the history...thats fine...

Ive been talking about removing plastics for the last 8 yrs!

The Ikea bag do assist here for monthly groceries, maybe I need to get like 10 of them! :D

It's funny how the plastics industry worldwide gets bashed, yet plastics when used wisely are a solution, not polution.

A biodegradable plastic bag or fast food container is far more eco friendly than any paper bag or cardboard box. Look for studies that test how long a telephone directory takes to degrade compared to the same amount of plastic.
Here is the key point, the middleman wants the cheapest plastic bag, he does not want to pay more for the biodegradable bag.

Are you aware Malaysia is the 3rd largest exporter of stretch film? That money is saved on items from furniture to bricks by using stretch wrap instead of metal banding.
You want your food to stay fresh on the supermarket shelf? Without plastic wrap the price goes up due to waste increasing, delivery costs increase, i.e the consumer pays more.
You want your imported vegetables to double in price? Plastic mulch film means crops grow faster and the film degrades after the growth season.
Want your aircon costs to double? Take the plastic insulation out of your house.

Life without plastic? Are you ready for your cost of living to increase far more than by toll or petrol price increases?

There is always another side to any story.
Save a tree, use a plastic bag.
Be earth friendly and community minded - Demand biodegradable plastic bags.

kwchang
12-01-2010, 11:11 AM
It's funny how the plastics industry worldwide gets bashed, yet plastics when used wisely are a solution, not polution.

A biodegradable plastic bag or fast food container is far more eco friendly..
I agree here as well.

did you all know that Carrefour (and Jusco, if I am not mistaken) actually gave out biodegradeable plastic bags? If you have the Carre4 bags stashed away in your bag collection or if you had bagged stuff using those bags, please check them ... if they were a few years' old, you will find that they now disintegrate easily. So, these are actually very green stuff to use especially for rubbish.

lady-o-leisure
12-01-2010, 11:50 AM
Yeah Chang... i saw some of the old bags fall to bits. hehee.. like dried fu-chuk pieces.
These are bags are better than the non-biodegradable bags, but one thing is still the problem, the manufacturing of all these bags are not good for the environment. So
VeeJay ah.. no worries.. no one thinks you are being uncooperative. All just sharing views and thinking aloud.
I think this is a really exciting move. I am all for it. Finally it is happening in Msia!! Yay! :D
As long as we all do our part, big or small.. it will still make a difference :)

In the meantime i will still nag hubby to set up solar power system for the whole house (but it is like talking to the wall) :(

kwchang
12-01-2010, 12:16 PM
... set up solar power system for the whole house ... Solar cells are not cheap. Check up the maintenance costs ... need to buy batteries for example. You think it is cost effective?

BTW, start a Green thread on other off-shoots. This is getting off topic oredi :p

Hiliary
12-01-2010, 12:34 PM
but one thing is still the problem, the manufacturing of all these bags are not good for the environment.

Do you have any scientific facts to support this sweeping statement, or can you list just one emmision or waste product produced in the manufacture of a plastic bag?
Malaysia conforms to international standard, they have no choice as they are subject to multinational company requrements as well as government, companies such as P&G monitor their suppliers even to the extent of a drop of oil on a machine and inspection of the factory drains.

I am not a member of but am aware of the good work done by the Malaysian Plastics Association to assist Malaysia as a country as well as the Malaysian plastics industry.

You have no idea of the cost to the environment to produce paper as compared to plastic.
One kills trees, contributes to global warming and has toxic waste, the other uses petroleum industry byproducts that would otherwise pollute the earth.

kwchang
12-01-2010, 12:59 PM
...You have no idea of the cost to the environment to produce paper as compared to plastic..
Excellent point. In the manufacturing of anything, if one were to audit the various processes, you will be amazed with the pollution effects of all the processes. What we see in plastics is the end product and how it being non-degradable, appear to be environmentally unfriendly. If you were to understand the processes of paper manufacturing, you could be stunned by the amount of pollution (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paper_pollution) that is involved, including recycling of paper ... it is not just chopping down of trees.

bugbear
12-01-2010, 01:02 PM
The conundrum the a society free of plastic is how do we pack our rubbish? Do we just dump the whole thing into the dumpster?

kwchang
12-01-2010, 01:05 PM
Wrap the degradeables in old newspaper la ... that was how my parents and their parents do it in the past when there was no plastic bags in those days.

In fact, the fish monger and pork butcher used to wrap their products in newspaper at the wet markets

umadavid
12-01-2010, 01:08 PM
The Hyermarket before Tesco took over and call it Tesco Extra, they do not provide any plastic bags all along I think. Can anyone confirm?
Yeah, Makro never gave out any bags for purchases but you could buy their large strong plastic bags if you wanted; for less than a ringgit. Everyone just pushed their trolley to their car and transfered the items in.

First people wanna save the trees, so they changed to plastic, now they wanna save the earth and they want paper bags...aiyoh...macam mana...like merry go round only.

Hiliary
12-01-2010, 01:11 PM
The conundrum the a society free of plastic is how do we pack our rubbish? Do we just dump the whole thing into the dumpster?

Dont forget to factor in the price increase of everything else if plastic is eliminated, costs and pollution would rise for:
The food you eat.
The car you drive. (but bringing back nice chrome bumpers would be a good thing even if they cost more and the manufacturing process produces toxic waste).
The house you live in.
The computer you use to post in this forum!
Want more?

The real problem is the general public have not been educated.
We should all hope that when the oil runs out synthetic plastic has become a viable commodity.

kwchang
12-01-2010, 01:22 PM
...when the oil runs out synthetic plastic has become a viable commodity. actually there is no such thing as synthetic plastic because it implies there is a natural source of plastic ;)

We all know plastics come from the long organic molecules synthesised from petroleum. The other source of such long carbon-based molecules would be from organic sources - hence your 'synthetic' plastic (not from petroleum) may be from palm oil and even tapioca?

kwchang
12-01-2010, 01:38 PM
Changed the title of this thread ... Remember to bring your shopping bag on Sat by removing "Saturday" - this will no longer be restricted to Sat in the future.

bslee
12-01-2010, 01:54 PM
I reckon, its about time people who insist on tar pau food from outside should bring along their own tiffin carriers or suitable food containers. I may recall this was somewhat a common phenomenon a few decades back, when plastic bags or containers where not exactly freely available or invented yet.
Nevertheless, good quality steel tiffin carriers ain't cheap nowadays. I think I still have 2 vintage multistorey yellow enamelled tiffin carriers dating 4 decades back. Could be worth a collectible.

jimmyay
12-01-2010, 01:59 PM
Changed the title of this thread ... Remember to bring your shopping bag on Sat by removing "Saturday" - this will no longer be restricted to Sat in the future.

Good move!! Once everyone start to do it, then it become a norm.

Hiliary
12-01-2010, 02:04 PM
actually there is no such thing as synthetic plastic because it implies there is a natural source of plastic ;)

We all know plastics come from the long organic molecules synthesised from petroleum. The other source of such long carbon-based molecules would be from organic sources - hence your 'synthetic' plastic (not from petroleum) may be from palm oil and even tapioca?

Correct. Tapioca or anything else derived from starch.

Synthetic plastic or to be correct synthetic polymer is a general term that is somewhat misused and possibly comes from the creation of Nylon.

currymee
12-01-2010, 02:17 PM
I reckon, its about time people who insist on tar pau food from outside should bring along their own tiffin carriers or suitable food containers. I may recall this was somewhat a common phenomenon a few decades back, when plastic bags or containers where not exactly freely available or invented yet.
Nevertheless, good quality steel tiffin carriers ain't cheap nowadays. I think I still have 2 vintage multistorey yellow enamelled tiffin carriers dating 4 decades back. Could be worth a collectible.

BS, make sure the enamel coating is still in good condition, if chipped or rusted at the edges, you may get metal poisoning !! :eek: You are right about steel tiffin carriers being expensive but they last a long time if you take good care of them - mine has been around for more than 10 years. As a matter of fact, all the hawkers I patron in USJ4 and SS19 are more than happy for me to use my tiffin carrier :D

Hiliary
12-01-2010, 04:08 PM
http://use-less-stuff.com/index.htm

Click on Research, scroll down to September 2008 to veiw an actual real life study.

The replacement of plastic by paper and the return to double
bagging may actually increase environmental impact, as many peer reviewed
lifecycle studies indicate that paper bags use more energy, produce more waste, and generate more greenhouse gas emissions than do plastic bags.

Banning "plastic bags" in favour of paper bags is wrong, it is a knee jerk reaction, and has the reverse effect to that intended. Wake up world!

Similar studies are available from Australia, Ireland and other US cities.

terisunny
12-01-2010, 04:27 PM
http://use-less-stuff.com/index.htm

Click on Research, scroll down to September 2008 to veiw an actual real life study.

The replacement of plastic by paper and the return to double
bagging may actually increase environmental impact, as many peer reviewed
lifecycle studies indicate that paper bags use more energy, produce more waste, and generate more greenhouse gas emissions than do plastic bags.

Banning "plastic bags" in favour of paper bags is wrong, it is a knee jerk reaction, and has the reverse effect to that intended. Wake up world!

Similar studies are available from Australia, Ireland and other US cities.

No paper bags please!! We're losing too many trees in the name of development! (Speaking of which, I wonder why some schools insists that the students change their UNFINISHED exercise books every half year!!)

jimmyay
12-01-2010, 04:41 PM
No paper bags please!! We're losing too many trees in the name of development! (Speaking of which, I wonder why some schools insists that the students change their UNFINISHED exercise books every half year!!)


Change unfinished exercise book!!
To spur economy?? Create more job opportunity?? :D

bslee
12-01-2010, 07:06 PM
Thanks for the advice, currymee. I'm going to buy one of those steel tiffin carriers soon, small double or triple deck one, just suitable for 2 people, thats it. The old ones remain collectible status for now.

fRaNkY
12-01-2010, 10:13 PM
I reckon, its about time people who insist on tar pau food from outside should bring along their own tiffin carriers or suitable food containers. I may recall this was somewhat a common phenomenon a few decades back, when plastic bags or containers where not exactly freely available or invented yet.
Nevertheless, good quality steel tiffin carriers ain't cheap nowadays. I think I still have 2 vintage multistorey yellow enamelled tiffin carriers dating 4 decades back. Could be worth a collectible.

Just dont brake suddenly and you will end up with a big bill from cleaners :D

Sometime not practical and if I tapau on the way from office.

Fabe18
13-01-2010, 10:20 AM
When I was in HK 2 months ago, I went for light grocery shopping. And at the check out line, the cashier would ask whether u need a chargeable plastic bag. I opted to put the stuff in my backpack. She said thank you for not using plastic bag.. I think HK has implemented this policy for awhile aledi as HK doesn't have that many landfill to manage the daily garbage.

Generally, the Malaysian public are still pretty much not green minded. Many would say green initiative are good.. but how many actually adopt it?

Do you separate your garbage? I bet a lot of u still throwing paper waste together with organic waste.. That's the easiest to start but to many ppl, it's 'inconvenient'.

AllUrban
13-01-2010, 03:49 PM
http://use-less-stuff.com/index.htm

Click on Research, scroll down to September 2008 to veiw an actual real life study.

The replacement of plastic by paper and the return to double
bagging may actually increase environmental impact, as many peer reviewed
lifecycle studies indicate that paper bags use more energy, produce more waste, and generate more greenhouse gas emissions than do plastic bags.

Banning "plastic bags" in favour of paper bags is wrong, it is a knee jerk reaction, and has the reverse effect to that intended. Wake up world!

Similar studies are available from Australia, Ireland and other US cities.I also do not agree with 'knee-jerk' reactions ... governments should be smarter than that.

But this is not an outright 'ban' on plastic bags despite what the media are calling it. It is the conversion of plastic bags from a frill to a paid-for service.

My view is that the use of bags for shopping in general should be replaced by reusable containers (boxes/baskets) wherever possible. This should be encouraged by retailers

This would be followed by the reuse of regular plastic bags for various purchases. Frankly, everyone has more bags than they would need, and they plastic bags can be packed down very small so they do not take up a lot of space.

Finally, the plastic bags should be recycled properly, while the synthetic polymer bags can be used for handling wet waste.

Frankly, I wish the plastics industry would make a better effort to promote recycling of plastic bags, plastic film and other plastic containers.

Cheers, m

currymee
13-01-2010, 04:00 PM
I still think the old-fashioned rattan/bamboo "vegetable basket" (choy lam) that our parents/grandparents used in the old time are the best and most friendly - if damaged beyond repair, they break it down for firewood and cooking.

Hiliary
13-01-2010, 05:43 PM
I also do not agree with 'knee-jerk' reactions ... governments should be smarter than that.

But this is not an outright 'ban' on plastic bags despite what the media are calling it. It is the conversion of plastic bags from a frill to a paid-for service.

My view is that the use of bags for shopping in general should be replaced by reusable containers (boxes/baskets) wherever possible. This should be encouraged by retailers

This would be followed by the reuse of regular plastic bags for various purchases. Frankly, everyone has more bags than they would need, and they plastic bags can be packed down very small so they do not take up a lot of space.

Finally, the plastic bags should be recycled properly, while the synthetic polymer bags can be used for handling wet waste.

Frankly, I wish the plastics industry would make a better effort to promote recycling of plastic bags, plastic film and other plastic containers.

Cheers, m

Yesterday i asked a member of the Malaysian Plastics Manufaturer's Association why they had not talked to the government.
I was told that they had asked to meet with the Selangor government on many occasions. The MPMA was finally given an appointment on friday January 8th!

Work it out, who did not want to listen, who did not want facts, who had decided to go ahead with a scheme that appears to be in everyone's interest, but which has the opposite effect.
So, it's back to a knee jerk reaction or whatever you want to call it.

No individual or group is smart until they have listened to all sides, researched the issue, checked on what others have verified etc.

Not to worry, by the time oil runs out, all the trees will be gone so there will not be any plastic or paper bags to worry about. Then we can all have an allotment and grown our own food :D
Yes, i do wish i had some space to grow my own.