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pokemon
09-01-2010, 07:37 AM
Beside the proposed petrol pricing for local (subsidised) and foreigners, now they come to suggest on our hotel accomodation rates. Are our hotel accomodation rates that low? I feel not many Malaysians can afford to stay at most of 3 stars and above rated hotels.

http://thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2010/1/9/nation/5439866&sec=nation

Hiliary
09-01-2010, 09:59 AM
Beside the proposed petrol pricing for local (subsidised) and foreigners, now they come to suggest on our hotel accomodation rates. Are our hotel accomodation rates that low? I feel not many Malaysians can afford to stay at most of 3 stars and above rated hotels.

http://thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2010/1/9/nation/5439866&sec=nation

Yes 5 star hotel rates are lower than say Singapore or India, but there are bargains to be found in any country if you care to look for them.

Individual hotels will always negotiate rates. We have foreign engineers working in Malaysia for several months each year. They get the "best rate" (i.e. the local rate given to the local company who has purchased from us).
Then they spend more on food and drink, clothes, camera's etc. so money is still coming into the local economy.

I can only assume that tour operators have plenty of negotiation power, so the tourists will also get a negotiated rate, and spend the money saved in bars, restaurants and malls.

If the hotel rate increases to the point where pocket money is greater in say Thailand, will the tourists drop Malaysia?

What is wrong with a free market?

pokemon
09-01-2010, 10:24 AM
Yes 5 star hotel rates are lower than say Singapore or India, but there are bargains to be found in any country if you care to look for them.

Individual hotels will always negotiate rates. We have foreign engineers working in Malaysia for several months each year. They get the "best rate" (i.e. the local rate given to the local company who has purchased from us).
Then they spend more on food and drink, clothes, camera's etc. so money is still coming into the local economy.

I can only assume that tour operators have plenty of negotiation power, so the tourists will also get a negotiated rate, and spend the money saved in bars, restaurants and malls.

If the hotel rate increases to the point where pocket money is greater in say Thailand, will the tourists drop Malaysia?

What is wrong with a free market?

I don't really agree with you. If so, our petrol is still cheaper than our neighbour country like singapore, thailand, india and so on. Do you agree that govt to increase these prices up without considering the spiral effects on this? If they want to increase anything from A to Z, it is fine, but with care to ensure it is still affordable to average joe like most of us. Our salaries have been stagnant for so many years.

bslee
09-01-2010, 10:27 AM
it is fine, but with care to ensure it is still affordable to average joe like most of us. Our salaries have been stagnant for so many years.

Its already a mindset that nearly every able young earning Malaysian TO OWN A CAR SOMEDAY, for various and obvious reasons. THAT gotta change otherwise traffic and transportation problems will continue with worse circumstances and consequences for all. Ultimately, best public transport within any busy city here must take place, otherwise its stalemate for now, but unfortunately this have not happened and Malaysia have wasted time on this.

lady-o-leisure
09-01-2010, 10:37 AM
There are rack/published rates, corporate rates, tour operator/travel agent rates, walk-in rates, online rates, package rates and in the case of S'porean hotels years ago, ASEAN rates (given to citizens/PR of ASEAN nations)
Some hotels even provide VIP rates for regulars.

It's the norm to hear locals complaining it costs a lot to cuti-cuti Msia so they'd rather go to neighboring countries. Obviously majority of the western nations find Msian hotel rates rather cheap when u look at the exchange rate.
While it may be nice for locals to hv a lower rate, the westerners might find it rather unfair if they come to know about the difference.

Kinda sticky situation but it has worked in Spore for many years. I found that the Japanese paid the highest rates when i was working in the hotel industry years ago.

pokemon
09-01-2010, 10:57 AM
First time in my life hearing a minister asking to raise the hotel rate. Such irresponsible act.

bslee
09-01-2010, 11:17 AM
What to do?, we're stuck with irrational or ignorant politicians who spew rubbish anytime, like some fler who said its weird to speak English in Malaysia. Its idiocy at its best!
This is what I call political meddling! AND it spoils things MOST OF THE TIME!
In Malaysia you DON'T simply URGE any industry to raise prices.

firefox
09-01-2010, 02:35 PM
What an irony she is the tourism minister and she wants to kill the tourism industry..these are caliber of the ministers of the PM's cabinet.

Its a real shame that we have half baked minsters who are running this country

mick123
09-01-2010, 02:50 PM
aiseh man, another tok tok minister :rolleyes: ........does she mean that those MNC hotel chains will risk their business and reputation globally by providing substandard services in boolehland just because the rates are lower than other countries?

...........is the current crop of ministers leading the nation towards self destruction?

robertec
09-01-2010, 02:51 PM
I think this was the same person who single handedly destroyed the importation of Ceramic Tiles and Tableware from the surrounding countries, when she was in the Finance Ministry.

The Kastams department are still picking up the pieces up to this day.

bslee
09-01-2010, 02:54 PM
LOOK!.. WE DO NOT HAVE CAPABLE or DEDICATED POLITICIANS THAT BENEFIT THE RAKYAT AND RULE THIS LAND at the same time! Maybe anyone can disagree,
We Malaysians become more BODOH by the minute too! BUT the fact remains they do take us for BODOH anyhow!

Hiliary
09-01-2010, 03:26 PM
LOOK!.. WE DO NOT HAVE CAPABLE or DEDICATED POLITICIANS THAT BENEFIT THE RAKYAT AND RULE THIS LAND at the same time! Maybe anyone can disagree,
We Malaysians become more BODOH by the minute too! BUT the fact remains they do take us for BODOH anyhow!

Isnt this the problem with all politicians in every country?
Give me a benevolent dictator everytime :D At least the wealth trickles down stream instead of staying behind the dam.

Sentinel
09-01-2010, 03:43 PM
I think this was the same person who single handedly destroyed the importation of Ceramic Tiles and Tableware from the surrounding countries, when she was in the Finance Ministry.

The Kastams department are still picking up the pieces up to this day.
I mentioned it once before Robert, someone's gotta tell the lady the collar of her cheongsam is a wee bit too tight and is preventing enough oxygen to flow to her brain...

tupai
09-01-2010, 07:54 PM
yenyen is approaching it form the standpoint that the kwai-lohs are coming in with bigger value currency.

Euro100 buys u a bed&breakky in most part of europe. Ditto the english pound.

So, if Euro100 is converted to ringgit its RM500+/- and that can buy a nigth in a 5star hotel. RM500 is way way beyond the budget of domestic tourists...
maybe the hoteliers can apply a 2-tier systems.

ALL Kwai-loh pays say minimum Euro300 or USD500 for a 5star room? :D

Heck! even Avillion in Pd is already Rm600/nite for the chalet! I cannot afford that!

Yang Broke latotupai :o

trex92
09-01-2010, 08:17 PM
So, if Euro100 is converted to ringgit its RM500+/- and that can buy a nigth in a 5star hotel. RM500 is way way beyond the budget of domestic tourists...
maybe the hoteliers can apply a 2-tier systems.


thats because in the first place every time the govt open their mouth, the ringgit devalues so now the ringgit is at such a weak value against other currencies.

Hmmm is this the reason why toll have kept increasing? :D :D lowest in the region so must not undersell ourselves so the solution is to increase toll!! :D :D :D

thank god these politicians are not running businesses, otherwise malaysia's economy would have long time collapsed..

Tong
09-01-2010, 08:18 PM
When I was coming here on business since 10 years ago the hotels were certainly less expensive I recall Sheraton Subang (alas no more) was abt USD 70 compared with e.g. sheraton frankfurt USD130 the cost of hotel made it possible for me to stay longer .. spend more money and get to know the real Malaysia. If it had been the same price as frankfurt then it would have been a quick in and out and who wants to get to know frankfurt anyway :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

tupai
09-01-2010, 09:11 PM
yenyen got her strategy all wrong. No1 thus far has ever admitted that for donkey years anything up to 60% of ALL tourist arrivals came froma cross the cause way. Yes, 'em singaporeans & others (grouped as ASEAN arrivals). Those weekend sporeans (in chartered local double decker buses) swamping the Giant Plenton and other hypermarts buying up anything from flour to frozen chicken to toilet rolls are considered as tourist arrival stats.

bolehland's tourist arrival last year should be around 21mil (with sporeans chalking up 13-15millions)...all spending some RM45Billion or thereabout.

LOS on the other hand is banking on some 600 billion baht in revenue from 15 million tourist arrivals this year AND get this, I can stay in a 5star Superior room for Rm300 (dont talk about Oriental lah!) plus they got high & low season...

so what does the stats on arrivals Vs Spending tell us? :confused:

I luv holidaying in LOS! :D


Yang Bersabai-sabai latotupai

p/s for a lowly rated sri malaysia or run down chalet in the east coast, i pay rm80-100 per nite!
I can stay in a club med equivalent in Khao Lak for Baht600/nite! Or a boutique terra merra hotel for just Baht1000! :D

Sentinel
09-01-2010, 11:29 PM
Yup... the fat lady got it all wrong. Looking at the statistics of tourist arrivals, most of our tourist dollars are from ASEAN neighbors namely Singapore and Brunei (into Miri, KK, Labuan Island and Limbang). If you push the hotel rates too high, then the numbers will drop. There will low occupancy and the F&B spendings will be less because of lower arrivals. Hmmm hope she gets more oxygen flow to the brain, hey your cheongsam collar is a wee bit too tight!

gtl
10-01-2010, 07:37 AM
is she trying to make hotel rates a controlled item?
if the demand goes up, dont you think the hotel will eventually increase prices?
the reason it is cheaper than others in the region bcs the of demand.........
the hotel industry does not need to be told how to price their services, they are in the biz for profits.
yen2, might as well spend time to boost tourist arrivals......

totoro
10-01-2010, 08:44 AM
is she trying to make hotel rates a controlled item?
if the demand goes up, dont you think the hotel will eventually increase prices?
the reason it is cheaper than others in the region bcs the of demand.........
the hotel industry does not need to be told how to price their services, they are in the biz for profits.
yen2, might as well spend time to boost tourist arrivals......

but govt made all 5-star hotels have a minimum rate not too long ago... non-discountable I think...

Sentinel
10-01-2010, 12:32 PM
but govt made all 5-star hotels have a minimum rate not too long ago... non-discountable I think...
Thats the problem with senior government officers who are not well-schooled nor knowledgeable. They tend to feel that the right way to manage anything is to "take control" and "do what we tell you to do".

The word "laiisez faire" or "free market enterprise" wasn't created for no apparent reason.