SJKC Lick Hung Parents' Q&A Support Group

[terisunny]

SCARY RESULTS AWAIT .... :(

My son's class teacher told them, a few days ago (but he only dared to tell us just now !! :eek: ) that a lot of the students in their class FAILED IN THE BC PENULISAN :eek: :eek: !! I asked him did the teacher mentioned any names, he said no but he and his friends were so worried .... my wife heard the news and almost "pengsan" ....

So, now we wait .... :( :(


Hi CM, don't worry too much. From experience, this is quite normal. After all, it's the first time that the kids are having the first ever composition writing exams. All the kids go through this 'turning point'. Also, some teachers tend to frighten the kids. Not too healthy but what to do, these are the teachers we have to live with.

[aerobax]

Cikgu Fong,

Unfortunately, due to out-station work commitment during that particular weekend, I will not be attending this year's PIBG AGM.

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Looks like we will have to depend on another parent to keep us updated on the PIBG AGM. A lot of LH parents have to go to church on Sunday mornings.

[Totoro2010]

Cikgu Fong,

Unfortunately, due to out-station work commitment during that particular weekend, I will not be attending this year's PIBG AGM.
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I am out-station too:(

[currymee]

Looks like we will have to depend on another parent to keep us updated on the PIBG AGM. A lot of LH parents have to go to church on Sunday mornings.

Yes, I hope so too :)

If this project of mine ends well by then, I will be even busier with the extra follow-up work by the clients - yup, General Election is certainly around the corner .... :D

[currymee]

Much to my pleasant surprise :D ... my son performs BETTER WITHOUT MY SUPERVISION AND GUIDANCE over the last 3 weeks !!! :eek: :p He is quite happy and proud of his achievements so far.

So far, every subject ABOVE 90% including BM Karangan !! Only the 2 Chinese papers left .... fingers crossed !!

[Mommy]

Much to my pleasant surprise :D ... my son performs BETTER WITHOUT MY SUPERVISION AND GUIDANCE over the last 3 weeks !!! :eek: :p He is quite happy and proud of his achievements so far.

So far, every subject ABOVE 90% including BM Karangan !! Only the 2 Chinese papers left .... fingers crossed !!

Well done, CM & son.
My boy still have long long way to go

[currymee]

Well done, CM & son.
My boy still have long long way to go

Let's hope his 2 Chinese papers are OK - unfortunately, they are his weakest papers - usually get "B"s less than 80% - I have already been advised by my relations that if he continues to perform badly in BC but aced the other subjects, I should consider SK or private schools for him.

[Totoro2010]

...My boy still have long long way to go

Mr blur sotong too :o

Congrats to Currymee & his smart son!!!

[Mommy]

Let's hope his 2 Chinese papers are OK - unfortunately, they are his weakest papers - usually get "B"s less than 80% - I have already been advised by my relations that if he continues to perform badly in BC but aced the other subjects, I should consider SK or private schools for him.

That was my planned when I decided to enrol him into SJKC. Std 3 will be the turning point whether to continue in SJKC or other wise :)...
Let's see

[Totoro2010]

Let's hope his 2 Chinese papers are OK - unfortunately, they are his weakest papers - usually get "B"s less than 80% - I have already been advised by my relations that if he continues to perform badly in BC but aced the other subjects, I should consider SK or private schools for him.

Aiyo, B is considered bad liao ah??? :eek:

CM, seems you put high expectation on your son :rolleyes:

What I understand is LH's exam papers are more difficult and tricky if compared with other SKJCs :cool:

[currymee]

In my case, the checkpoint is in Std 4. I have already seen a number of his classmates who has dropped out this year due to BC while they did well in the other subjects (scoring As but failing BC - 30-40% ) and life was becoming a torture for these kids in terms of motivation and self-confidence.


That was my planned when I decided to enrol him into SJKC. Std 3 will be the turning point whether to continue in SJKC or other wise :)...
Let's see

[currymee]

More like I told him Std 3 will be TOUGH, so if he wants to do well, he better study or else .... GO TUITION .... :p My son hates going for any tuition after school hours !!


Mr blur sotong too :o

Congrats to Currymee & his smart son!!!

[currymee]

"B" almost "C" lah (around 60%) :( .... not "B" almost "A" .... :rolleyes:

So, BC papers always WIPE OUT all his positive "As" and high scores and he is starting to feel demotivated when facing BC papers.


Aiyo, B is considered bad liao ah??? :eek:

CM, seems you put high expectation on your son :rolleyes:

What I understand is LH's exam papers are more difficult and tricky if compared with other SKJCs :cool:

[Rhiga]

Let's hope his 2 Chinese papers are OK - unfortunately, they are his weakest papers - usually get "B"s less than 80% - I have already been advised by my relations that if he continues to perform badly in BC but aced the other subjects, I should consider SK or private schools for him.

Bro,

Less than 80 marks in BC is ok… does not mean his command in this language is poor.

There are multiples of reason for not scoring A especially if parents can’t help in this language..

I believe you need to relocate more time in BC or in other words you need to reduce the revision time for BM/BI.

Time is finite, it is the same for everyone.. just have to make a trade-off sometimes…

My son is getting careless in his handwriting.. and marks are deducted due to this careless reason. For BM, I think the BM teacher is quite lenient this time and I think she may not in the coming exams. BC is my son's strength relative to others. Overall, he is ok with average score above 90.

The 2nd exam in 1st term is around the corner (5-6 weeks from now)...:(

[currymee]

Bro,

Somehow, my son found MEMORISING Chinese characters to be very TOUGH while learning and spelling romanised scripts i.e. BM and English to be very simple. All I have to do is instruct him on the Grammar aspect for both BM and English, he will breeze through them.

The Chinese characters are the ones that is "killing" him .... not so much spoken Mandarin or thinking in Mandarin ... need to get him a "memory booster" of some kind .... he usually loses 15-20% in deduction for Chinese character errors alone .... :( I can't help him there as it was also my "weakness" when I was studying POL ....


Bro,

Less than 80 marks in BC is ok… does not mean his command in this language is poor.

There are multiples of reason of not scoring A especially if parents can’t help in this language..

I believe you need to relocate more time in BC or in other words you need to reduce the revision time for BM/BI.

Time is finite, it is the same for everyone.. just have to make a trade-off sometimes…

My son is getting careless in his handwriting.. and marks are deducted due to this careless reason. For BM, I think the BM teacher is quite lenient this time and I think she may not in the coming exams. BC is my son's strength relative to others. Overall, he is ok with average score above 90.

The 2nd exam in 1st term is around the corner (5-6 weeks from now)...:(

[fRaNkY]

Son got 87.5 for BC,lucky got sister to guide him...

[currymee]

Son got 87.5 for BC,lucky got sister to guide him...

Wow, your son is very good leh .... :) congrats !

My son's result - BC Penulisan = "C" and BC Pemahaman = "B" , as expected, marks deductions more than 20% even though the number of actual error is less than 4 !! :(

So his target of a top 10 in class now hangs in the balance despite getting all "A"s and above 90% in all other subjects. :(

[Mommy]

Wow, your son is very good leh .... :) congrats !

My son's result - BC Penulisan = "C" and BC Pemahaman = "B" , as expected, marks deductions more than 20% even though the number of actual error is less than 4 !! :(

So his target of a top 10 in class now hangs in the balance despite getting all "A"s and above 90% in all other subjects. :(

Yup, my boy very upset to get a "B" in his BC pemahaman. Havent got back Penulisan. BC is really a challenge in non chinese speaking family...

[Totoro2010]

Yup, my boy very upset to get a "B" in his BC pemahaman. Havent got back Penulisan. BC is really a challenge in non chinese speaking family...

Not every chinese speaking family's kid pratice good in BC subject, many of chinese speaking parents also 1/2 tank chinese or even 1/3, 1/4, 1/5 tank.....they know how to speak but don't know how to write in proper sentence for academic.

Not many ppl like Rhiga...smart father has smart child :):D

[Rhiga]

Not every chinese speaking family's kid pratice good in BC subject, many of chinese speaking parents also 1/2 tank chinese or even 1/3, 1/4, 1/5 tank.....they know how to speak but don't know how to write in proper sentence for academic.

Not many ppl like Rhiga...smart father has smart child :):D



No lah, I have given back my written Mandarin to the teacher.. due to lack of practice for decades !! :o

My kid is marginally A in BC Penulisan, but he scored the BC Pemahaman..

Credit goes to my wife... her command in Mandarin is better than me.

I teach my kid English, BM and Science.

[currymee]

Well, I have figured out how to help my son do well in BM and English :) - the type of books, the material, the approach, methodolgy etc ....

Now, I am just scratching my head on how to help my son tackle his Mandarin weaknesses. I have got 2 years to do so. ;)

But firstly, I have to REBUILD his confidence, he was absolutely shattered to find out today that he has missed his top 10 target in class - he came in at no. 17 - before the BC papers, he was 3rd overall. He was almost in tears. :( I said never mind, let's START AGAIN ....

[Rhiga]

I am not good in teaching BC but I can share what we are doing ..

1. Improve vocabs – no short cut, improve thru practice and reading. Find a topic that the kid likes and provide him with the reading materials. For instance, my kid likes sport - EPL, F1, NBA, etc. He is always the 1st one who read the sports session in the Chinese newspapers at home.

2. Beyond the school syllabus – This is a bit tough due to the abundance of homework. Nevertheless, my wife always teach him something beyond the school's syallabus.

Again, as I mentioned before – time is finite, we allocate more time for BC revision and hence less time for other subjects. "Fortunately", other subjects are relatively easier in LH.

[currymee]

I am not good in teaching BC but I can share what we are doing ..

1. Improve vocabs – no short cut, improve thru practice and reading. Find a topic that the kid likes and provide him with the reading materials. For instance, my kid likes sport - EPL, F1, NBA, etc. He is always the 1st one who read the sports session in the Chinese newspapers at home.

2. Beyond the school syllabus – This is a bit tough due to the abundance of homework. Nevertheless, my wife always teach him something beyond the school's syallabus.

Again, as I mentioned before – time is finite, we allocate more time for BC revision and hence less time for other subjects. "Fortunately", other subjects are relatively easier in LH.

Thanks Bro,

I will take note of that when I discuss with the Mandarin "teacher", just like you - the wife !! :)

[nescafeADay]

Lucky you, CurryMee and Rhiga :) Me, the teacher of all subjects, alone. Sigh ... short-sighted when I was young..

Thanks for all the sharing.

[currymee]

Lucky you, CurryMee and Rhiga :) Me, the teacher of all subjects, alone. Sigh ... short-sighted when I was young..

Thanks for all the sharing.

Errrr .... I think you need to explain what you mean a bit more .... puzzled ?

[currymee]

BC Post-mortem

We had a good chat, went through all the different sections of the BC papers, did a "simple" SWOT analysis and drew up an action plan for the next 6-9 months to help put my son's BC on par with his peers.

At the start, the poor boy was distraught and at a loss as to what to do, almost gave up on BC and asked to be transfered to SK SS19 next door. We told him, NO, that will be "chickening out" without putting up a fight or effort to remedy the situation. We told him that in life, there will be ups and downs, and the best performers are those who can get up after being hit down, not necessarily the one that stayed up all the time. We used the analogies of a few of his role-models in sports to emphasis the point. That got through - thank God :)

As we went through step-by-step, he perked up as he sees the proverbial "light-at-end-of the-tunnel" and the necessary steps that he needed to take, areas of weaknesses identified and how to improve on them etc ... I told him that we don't expect a miracle from him of jumping from "C" to "A" by the next exam but he should aim for a steady 5-10% improvement per exam over the year - reduce the deductions due to errors in writing. Hopefully, by the last exam of Std 3 or first exam of Std 4, he will be able to score a solid A (above 85%) comfortably. That is the target.

We told him that going for extra tuition is not the answer as his weaknesses in BC are not due to lack of understanding or comprehension but more due to lack of practice and attention to details esp in writing.

We realised that it is easy to scold and shout but much harder to sit down and guide .... being a parent is TOUGH !!

So, now the "extra" journey for BC begins ....

[currymee]

I got an email asking me why am I sharing the BC post mortem, is it to show off ? :(

Well, if I have given such an impression to the readers, then, I offer you all MY SINCERE APOLOGIES.

Apart from the few top students in each class, I know that a lot of children did not do too well in both the BC papers and the children and their parents may also be feeling the same way as we do when the results were given out the last few days.

Hopefully, by sharing our experience and ideas here, we may assist some of them too. Likewise, if other parents have good ideas and approaches, I too would like to learn from them as well. I hope that is not a "crime".

That is all.

[Busy Mom]

Currymee,

Reading your post, i feel happy for you. You have successfully instill a sense of responsibility in your boy in studying. The fact that he worries so much when getting lower grades is actually a 1/4 battle won. Means, after this he will work harder and co-operate with you on the corrective steps need to be taken...Kudos! for that!

I'm hoping in time to come my gal will also be the same. Its not that now she doesn't care but more of "just being told to do" kinda attitude. Anyhow, its just the 3rd month of primary school for her, i'm sure she will get there too one day :)

This forum is a good avenue for all seniors and new parents of LH students to share tips and opinions.
I've been following this forum since day 1 and i gained much knowledge with having kids studying in SJKC.

Thanks all for the precious advice, tips & info :)


BC Post-mortem

We had a good chat, went through all the different sections of the BC papers, did a "simple" SWOT analysis and drew up an action plan for the next 6-9 months to help put my son's BC on par with his peers.

At the start, the poor boy was distraught and at a loss as to what to do, almost gave up on BC and asked to be transfered to SK SS19 next door. We told him, NO, that will be "chickening out" without putting up a fight or effort to remedy the situation. We told him that in life, there will be ups and downs, and the best performers are those who can get up after being hit down, not necessarily the one that stayed up all the time. We used the analogies of a few of his role-models in sports to emphasis the point. That got through - thank God :)

As we went through step-by-step, he perked up as he sees the proverbial "light-at-end-of the-tunnel" and the necessary steps that he needed to take, areas of weaknesses identified and how to improve on them etc ... I told him that we don't expect a miracle from him of jumping from "C" to "A" by the next exam but he should aim for a steady 5-10% improvement per exam over the year - reduce the deductions due to errors in writing. Hopefully, by the last exam of Std 3 or first exam of Std 4, he will be able to score a solid A (above 85%) comfortably. That is the target.

We told him that going for extra tuition is not the answer as his weaknesses in BC are not due to lack of understanding or comprehension but more due to lack of practice and attention to details esp in writing.

We realised that it is easy to scold and shout but much harder to sit down and guide .... being a parent is TOUGH !!

So, now the "extra" journey for BC begins ....

[Mommy]

I got an email asking me why am I sharing the BC post mortem, is it to show off ? :(

Well, if I have given such an impression to the readers, then, I offer you all MY SINCERE APOLOGIES.

Apart from the few top students in each class, I know that a lot of children did not do too well in both the BC papers and the children and their parents may also be feeling the same way as we do when the results were given out the last few days.

Hopefully, by sharing our experience and ideas here, we may assist some of them too. Likewise, if other parents have good ideas and approaches, I too would like to learn from them as well. I hope that is not a "crime".

That is all.


CM, thanks for your great analysis. My boy is in the same situation despite i send him for tuition. If you dont mind, may you share your plan for the next 6-9 mths? I totally cannot guide in BC, similarly to other half. We are BC blind :(. So we rely on the tuition teacher. However, it doesnt seem to help much.
The most current approach is to read more chinese story books compare to English. My boy already upset with this news. However, when I asked him whether want to switch to SJK like the cousin, he refused to. Not sure if this is good or bad news to us, parents...

[currymee]

CM, thanks for your great analysis. My boy is in the same situation despite i send him for tuition. If you dont mind, may you share your plan for the next 6-9 mths? I totally cannot guide in BC, similarly to other half. We are BC blind :(. So we rely on the tuition teacher. However, it doesnt seem to help much.
The most current approach is to read more chinese story books compare to English. My boy already upset with this news. However, when I asked him whether want to switch to SJK like the cousin, he refused to. Not sure if this is good or bad news to us, parents...

Let me get finer details from my wife (the BC tutor) - roughly, we noted that for my son's case,

1) He has a tendency to write simple short sentences (which is fine for Std 1 and Std 2 BC Penulisan) but in LH's Std 3 and above marking scheme, he will only score 50% of the total marks. So, we highlighted this point for him that he is expected to make "longer and more complex" sentences.

2) We also highlighted to him that while he knows the answers, but because of poor and sloppy handwriting, the teacher gave him ZERO instead of deducting 1/2 marks like in Std 1 and 2 ... again, stricter marking scheme imposed. So, he has to buck-up on that aspect too.

3) Pay more attention to reading passages carefully and character strokes.

We are starting on these 3 areas first as the first steps. They are more to help him regain his confidence and reduce unnecessary errors rather than to emphasis on his comprehension and understanding of BC. If he is successful in consolidating in these simple areas, he should be able to get solid "B" (above 70%) by next exam.

[nescafeADay]

Hi CurryMee, just dont bother about the email.

[nescafeADay]

Errrr .... I think you need to explain what you mean a bit more .... puzzled ?

Sorry, just ignore it. Just some 'kam chu' （感触）：How nice when both husband and wife are working together for children education.

[nescafeADay]

Just my two cents, will reading aloud BC comprehension / short paragraph help as well? The same approach for BM ?

[currymee]

Just my two cents, will reading aloud BC comprehension / short paragraph help as well? The same approach for BM ?

Yes, it does help a lot esp in the homonyms/pronunciation for hanyu pinyin. My son reads a passage (aloud) of comprehension for BM, English and Mandarin daily.

With Mandarin, he needs to get his "memory" working on the Chinese characters.

[Mommy]

Yes, it does help a lot esp in the homonyms/pronunciation for hanyu pinyin. My son reads a passage (aloud) of comprehension for BM, English and Mandarin daily.

With Mandarin, he needs to get his "memory" working on the Chinese characters.

That's what boy tuition teacher has been asking him to do. However, boy being too shy refused to do it. Perhaps that's 1 of the causes of having low score :(

[currymee]

That's what boy tuition teacher has been asking him to do. However, boy being too shy refused to do it. Perhaps that's 1 of the causes of having low score :(

Mommy,

It is vital for your son to read aloud in Mandarin otherwise the teacher will not know if he has mastered the correct pronunciation or not, and if not, it will mess up his hanyu pinyin.

Highlight that point to him, then he will understand the importance of reading aloud and hopefully improve from there.

[Mommy]

Mommy,

It is vital for your son to read aloud in Mandarin otherwise the teacher will not know if he has mastered the correct pronunciation or not, and if not, it will mess up his hanyu pinyin.

Highlight that point to him, then he will understand the importance of reading aloud and hopefully improve from there.

Unfortunately, my boy can be very stubborn unless i cane him everyday. I have not resort any other solution than caning him for not following instruction.

[currymee]

Unfortunately, my boy can be very stubborn unless i cane him everyday. I have not resort any other solution than caning him for not following instruction.

Ouch !!

Mommy,

I really don't know what to say except to hope that some day, your son will respond positively to a much gentler way than caning.

[LMei]

Unfortunately, my boy can be very stubborn unless i cane him everyday. I have not resort any other solution than caning him for not following instruction.

Have you tried reward charts instead?

[Totoro2010]

... the poor boy was distraught and at a loss as to what to do, almost gave up on BC and asked to be transfered to SK SS19 next door.....

CM, I am envy on you that you have a good and smart boy, at least he will sad, he will distraught on his bad performance at BC subjects and he willing to learn to improve for coming exams.

For my blur sotong, although done bad at BCs and I severely warn to do more reading/exercises, but the result is I ask to do A then do A, I ask to do B then do B and never done automatically by ownself, if I am busy and do not have time to pay attention, then the blur sotong will play games, watch tv & online games etc...still childish, not mature like your son :o

[Mommy]

Have you tried reward charts instead?


Yes, I actually drew out a table of task he needs to complete. Points are given when he complete on time, 1 hr after planned time, more than 1 hr after planned time. This is equivalent to KPI in working environment. The timing is base on his & my discretionary. When he get certain score, he can have a choice of his favourite. It worked only for a month. After a few times he missed to fulfil, he gave up.

[Mommy]

Yes, I actually drew out a table of task he needs to complete. Points are given when he complete on time, 1 hr after planned time, more than 1 hr after planned time. This is equivalent to KPI in working environment. The timing is base on his & my discretionary. When he get certain score, he can have a choice of his favourite. It worked only for a month. After a few times he missed to fulfil, he gave up.

I also tried CM's method where if he get X-X position in class/average X%, he can get his favourite...Also doesnt work.
So far, I havent found anything that really really motivates him to work on his studies.

[currymee]

Mine was distraughted as he was targetting a top 10 in class and the BC papers had "spoiled" it for him. I warned him that if he doesn't buck up on his BC, this will continue and even getting 100% in all the other papers (which he knows is impossible for him!) will not be enough to compensate for two bad BC papers. Otherwise, he is just like any other boys - full of fun and play and preferably NO WORK !! :p


CM, I am envy on you that you have a good and smart boy, at least he will sad, he will distraught on his bad performance at BC subjects and he willing to learn to improve for coming exams.

For my blur sotong, although done bad at BCs and I severely warn to do more reading/exercises, but the result is I ask to do A then do A, I ask to do B then do B and never done automatically by ownself, if I am busy and do not have time to pay attention, then the blur sotong will play games, watch tv & online games etc...still childish, not mature like your son :o

[currymee]

....

So far, I havent found anything that really really motivates him to work on his studies.

Don't give up - keep on trying ....

[sydneymak]

cm, your bc post mortem is good.

Imo, to master chinese especially in writing, ability to read must be the priority. If rely on memory of the chinese character, it just wont work well as there are a lot of character that look alike. New words learnt must be in phrase, not single word.

The chinese 参考资料is very good. I use it quite intensively with my gal.

[Rhiga]

Just to share...

Here is a brief summary for what we did since the long holidays from the final year of kindergarten until now:

1) Prepared my kid for the key syllabus in Std 1 during the long holidays before the commencement of Std 1.

2) From Std 1 until now, we insist him to study 1-2 hours every weekday (school homework time included), and 2-3 hours during weekend.

3) He is given full break for 1-2 weeks after exam. Full break means no revision at all but must finish school homework.

4) We will try to spend 1 hour everyday to check his homework to ensure he understand what was taught in school. On weekend, every Sat and Sun afternoon (usually 1-4 pm) is revision time. He has all the free time after revision for the rest of the day to do whatever he likes to do – watch tv, read comic, play Nintendo, etc.

5) My expectation which I told him in Std 1 and repeatedly reminded him is – you are expected to study everyday, just like naturally you will play and watch tv everyday. So, spend 1-2 hours in studies with full attention everyday and the rest of time is yours.

Not sure my method is too straight or too lenient, but it works.

He always has time to shift from the routine school’s homework and revision. Even during exam period, he is allowed to play his favourite Nintendo games.

Always not too late, always insist with patience (lots of patience), and perhaps it is easier when you started earlier..

[fRaNkY]

I think you are doing it wrongly. U need professional help, not Doctor or anything, but more in approach and in children. Perhaps a senior teacher or a better tuition teacher to advise.

I m no expert but there are dedicated teacher in LH, others might disagree :D, and talk with her on your problem. Way of forumers here might not be right for you and you need to know WHY and how to get him moving.

It might not be his problem but you are the problem? You must find the problem and be ready that both needs help.

I do not know u personally so it is difficult to judge and advise. Cane is not the answer.....

[fRaNkY]

There are parents that will scold their kid from wake up till sleeping time, from young till kids married, do you think kids will take it seriously what u said?

Since, i do or not, sure still get scolding or beating, why bother? I heard from kids before... :D

[Mommy]

I think you are doing it wrongly. U need professional help, not Doctor or anything, but more in approach and in children. Perhaps a senior teacher or a better tuition teacher to advise.

I m no expert but there are dedicated teacher in LH, others might disagree :D, and talk with her on your problem. Way of forumers here might not be right for you and you need to know WHY and how to get him moving.

It might not be his problem but you are the problem? You must find the problem and be ready that both needs help.

I do not know u personally so it is difficult to judge and advise. Cane is not the answer.....
I believe you are referring to me.
Well, I don't disagree. Mayb I expect too much from a playful boy. Nevertheless, as parents we need to nurture them. I may be using the wrong method. Would you have better ones to share?

[currymee]

Mommy,

Try your best - as parents we all love our children to bits and want only the best for them :)

Different children respond to different motivation, so you just have to keep trying to find the one that works with your child.

[akiyoshi]

Mommy,

Try your best - as parents we all love our children to bits and want only the best for them :)

Different children respond to different motivation, so you just have to keep trying to find the one that works with your child.

Hi Mommy,

I think one of the ways is to try to be in his shoes. Understand why he doesn't get motivated. Could it be he could not understand, do not know how to do, or just bored, or frustrated, short concentration span maybe. During the first two years, I would sit together with my kid trying to learn together with him, as I am a banana. This way, we find a solution together. ..yes, he could very well end up teaching me instead.

[Mommy]

Hi Mommy,

I think one of the ways is to try to be in his shoes. Understand why he doesn't get motivated. Could it be he could not understand, do not know how to do, or just bored, or frustrated, short concentration span maybe. During the first two years, I would sit together with my kid trying to learn together with him, as I am a banana. This way, we find a solution together. ..yes, he could very well end up teaching me instead.

Thanks so much for your encouragement, CM & Akiyoshi.
When I look at his error, unlikely he doesnt understand or do not know how to do. Its more to bored and short concentration span. He doesnt like theory and repetition. He likes practical work, thus he likes science very much. However, we know this is Malaysia Education system...Yes, I do sit with him for Std 1 & 2, which I think now he's in Std 3, he should be sitting down by himself to do. Only when he doesnt understand he comes to me. Unfortunately, if I'm not beside him, he can dream the whole time & only prob 5% gets done...He likes to put his story book or the 3M magazine next to him altho i always take it away when i see it. Once, i walk away, those book will be next to him. Thus, he's not focus most of the time. Even in one to one tuition, he can dream.
Its going to be worst now coz I send my maid back. Thus, if I'm doing cleaning, he has to be by himself & the less get done.
Franky is right, there were times I scold/nag him from the time he wakes up till to bed just to finish his homework...
I pity him when I am in his shoes. Nevertheless, I still need to ensure he has the sense of responsibility as a student and having good habit & behaviour.
Just like CM's boy, he was top 3 until he got his chinese papers. He's now very upset coz he was suppose to get his favourite transformer if he's top 5 but now his dream diminishes by the chinese papers...

[nescafeADay]

Dedicating this song "I Get Knocked Down" by Chumbawamba to all :

I get knocked down
But I get up again
You're never going to keep me down

Kampate !

[currymee]

Take a short break - identify, think, plan, recharge and start again next week !!

The first exam is over, some good results, some very poor results, there is nothing we can do about them except to learn from them.

Try to find out EXACTLY where and why the children are weak and not performing well in some subjects. Plan a strategy over the next few days and then implement them when school reopens next week.

It is important to identify clearly, plan and think carefully as to what needs to be done instead of just jumping into any "remedial actions". I have heard a number of parents huffing and puffing since the exams results were out with many asking me about tuition classes etc and the tuition centres busy "distributing" flyers during exam results week .... COINCIDENCE or good marketing timing ? :p

More tuition may not work or be necessary if the child is careless rather not understanding. More exercise/workbooks may not be the answer if the problem is in the reading and comprehension. There is NO ONE "PERFECT" SOLUTION as you have to "customise" for each individual child's case and scenario.

My son's case is just getting him to read carefully, write more neatly, pay more attention to the Chinese character strokes and write longer sentences - i.e. LAZY BOY !!! :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

[Totoro2010]

My headache is how to teach the blur sotong not so blur :o

My blur sotong has severely careless in writing or just can say "Dreaming", for example : the word "好" only wrote as "女" , forgot to write the right part "子" :o

A lot of marks gone and sometimes even affected the whole sentence :o

[Rhiga]

..... He's now very upset coz he was suppose to get his favourite transformer if he's top 5 but now his dream diminishes by the chinese papers...

Give him the transformer regardless of what his position in class..

He will appreciate, and Imo when a kid appreciates your effort, he will try to improve and deliver what is expected.

Please take note that the kid is changing/transforming gradually from a little boy in Std 1 to a more mature kid in upper Std..

He may not understand or appreciate in Std 1, but I believe he will (now or later) understand that his mum did so much for him to improve his studies..:)

[kwchang]

I agree with Rhiga

Sometimes, as parents, we worry too much about our kids and the possibility that they would lose out to the competitive world. But if we look deeper into our own worries (and be truthful about it), we would see that we are actually affected by the mistakes we made when we were kids ourselves. Hidden at the back of our minds, we regret having not spent enough time getting the academic qualifications and regret perhaps in not getting the better pay and position our own classmates have achieved. So we "advice" our own children in order they do not make the same mistakes we made.

Once we understand our fears, we should give our kids a better balance in their lives. Let them be kids and enjoy their small pleasures, like getting a "worthless" transformer toy. Give them the happiness (although it sounds so silly and childish to us as parents) and they could be better balanced individuals. Advice them the importance of securing a better future but do not punish them for one or two exam marks which may not be their fault. We must understand that there are more reasons why they did poorly ... maybe the examiner was tough on them, etc ... but it is not the end of the world.

[Mommy]

Guess what? I did what CM did in his boy's examination BC papers.
My son's BC penulisan has no error but does not get full marks in each of the sentence. I'm not sure its because the teacher did not circle or indicate any wrong words. (will confirm after post mortem by his tuition teacher). What I believe is each of the sentence require "chen yu". Let me confirm again with the tuition teacher.

Thanks to all parents who have been very supportive to my boy's problem.

[currymee]

Looks like your son is having the same problem in BC Penulisan as my son. Only thing to do is to highlight to him and during revision time, get to start thinking and practising "longer" and more in-depth BC sentences :)

Sometimes, I wonder what ever happened to sweet, short and concise that I was constantly reminded in the past ? :confused:


Guess what? I did what CM did in his boy's examination BC papers.
My son's BC penulisan has no error but does not get full marks in each of the sentence. I'm not sure its because the teacher did not circle or indicate any wrong words. (will confirm after post mortem by his tuition teacher). What I believe is each of the sentence require "chen yu". Let me confirm again with the tuition teacher.

Thanks to all parents who have been very supportive to my boy's problem.

[Mommy]

Looks like your son is having the same problem in BC Penulisan as my son. Only thing to do is to highlight to him and during revision time, get to start thinking and practising "longer" and more in-depth BC sentences :)

Sometimes, I wonder what ever happened to sweet, short and concise that I was constantly reminded in the past ? :confused:

Its contradicting. I used to train him to do short sentences as he often make mistake in long ones. Now he got to change if he needs to score. I start to sympathize him.

[currymee]

Same here BUT I got a good excuse for my son .... I told him, when in Std 1 and 2, the aim is to get the sentences CORRECT as he is still "small". Now, from Std 3 onwards, as big boys, the teachers expect them to be able to "explain" the sentences a bit longer, so instead of simple single sentence, it is now composite (ayat majmuk) two sentences into one using conjunctions (kata hubung) or "chen yu". He understood and accepted that reasoning as I added that now, when he speaks to me, he is also making all sorts of excuses and reasonings, so just do the same in school. :rolleyes:



Its contradicting. I used to train him to do short sentences as he often make mistake in long ones. Now he got to change if he needs to score. I start to sympathize him.

[Totoro2010]

My headache is how to teach the blur sotong not so blur :o

My blur sotong has severely careless in writing or just can say "Dreaming", for example : the word "好" only wrote as "女" , forgot to write the right part "子" :o

A lot of marks gone and sometimes even affected the whole sentence :o

Anyone facing the same problem? Please share how to improve

[Rhiga]

Anyone facing the same problem? Please share how to improve

My son can forget a few strokes when writing Chinese characters too especially when he is writing fast.. and he always write fast.

The careless mistakes in handwritting also happens in English and BM. He wrote the wrong spelling but he knows the correct spelling of the word.

He knows his problems but don’t wish to improve much during school homework…

We told him he is going to lose marks and will drop a lot of positions in class if he continues writing this way..

During exam, his handwriting is much better albeit still have some mistakes..

Overall, he lost 3-6 marks in both Chinese papers due to careless handwriting..

I think the only way is to keep on reminding him the mistakes, ask him to rewrite, and write slower to reduce the careless mistakes..

I don’t know what other methods help...:(

[Mommy]

My son can forget a few strokes when writing Chinese characters too especially when he is writing fast.. and he always write fast.

The careless mistakes in handwritting also happens in English and BM. He wrote the wrong spelling but he knows the correct spelling of the word.

He knows his problems but don’t wish to improve much during school homework…

........ help...:(

Not sure if this help but I can see a bit of improvement from my boy. He needs to read out loud when copying essay ("chau shu"). This is how the tuition teacher train him.

[currymee]

Anyone facing the same problem? Please share how to improve

Same problem .... just asked him to be more careful .... that is all I can think of ....

[kwchang]

... it is now composite (ayat majmuk) two sentences into one using conjunctions (kata hubung) or "chen yu"....
Correct me if I am wrong but chen you is not a conjunction. If I remember what my kids went thru in primary SJKC, chen you is the flowery proverbs that they teach in Chinese. In a few words, the proverb carries a deeper meaning. This is essential in classical Chinese. Hence it is a requirement and expected of the kids. The idea is not to make the sentence longer but really to convey a better meaning to the sentence. This is the beauty of the language that we find no equivalent in English.

[currymee]

Lick Hung Teaching of BC "Poor" - some parents' view

We had an interesting lunch discussion just now at Choy Kee among the parents and some of the Chinese-educated parents raised the following points on the "poor" teaching quality of BC in Lick Hung :eek:. I have to admit that I was just listening to their grouses as I am not able to add anything to the discussion as I am BC-blind myself. :o

One mother mentioned about the inconsistency between classroom teaching and examination. She highlighted that in their daily BC exercises, the BC teachers never marked the children's daily school work and writing strictly but in the exams, they were "punished" for bad writing. So, if the children were not marked strictly daily, how are they to know that what they write is right or wrong ? Is it then fair to punish them during the exams ? She cited the case of her daughter showing her school exercise work and the same Chinese characters that she wrote in class were marked right but in exams wrong !! :eek:

Secondly, she mentioned that a lot of the children did not know what was expected of them in the exams esp Penulisan. The BC teachers did not emphasis during class lessons that they should be writing long sentences with "chen yu" for the exams. So, unless your child is one of the well-clued in smart kids, they will be caught out.

Thirdly, why did the BC teachers bother with the BC exam scope when everything is out-of-scope, it is misleading !!

Fourthly, instead of DOING A LOT OF WORK, wouldn't it be better if the teachers focus on QUALITY rather than QUANTITY teaching ? Do LESS HOMEWORK but make sure that all the children know and understand what is being taught properly.

I just nodded and took note. BTW, the mother was unhappy even though her daughter scored "A"s in both BC papers but her percentages dropped from 95+ (Std 1 and 2) to low 80s. :rolleyes:

[Mommy]

Same problem .... just asked him to be more careful .... that is all I can think of ....

I am bad. I used cane when he was in Std 1 holiday revision. I told him to do some workbook and check. 1 careless mistake 1 cane. It helps slightly...

[lily2009]

Yes, you are correct.
And Cheng Yu can make the sentences shorter. I think that is what the teachers want.
Anyway, if the kids never read those classic Chinese stories, Cheng Yu will be a difficult part for them.
Maybe a Cheng Yu dictionary can help them a bit.


Correct me if I am wrong but chen you is not a conjunction. If I remember what my kids went thru in primary SJKC, chen you is the flowery proverbs that they teach in Chinese. In a few words, the proverb carries a deeper meaning. This is essential in classical Chinese. Hence it is a requirement and expected of the kids. The idea is not to make the sentence longer but really to convey a better meaning to the sentence. This is the beauty of the language that we find no equivalent in English.

[ctb]

Yes, you are correct.
And Cheng Yu can make the sentences shorter. I think that is what the teachers want.
Anyway, if the kids never read those classic Chinese stories, Cheng Yu will be a difficult part for them.
Maybe a Cheng Yu dictionary can help them a bit.

FYI, chengyu is simpulan bahasa in bm. How to improve? Need to do more reading and apply it in daily conversation. That's how my brother can master it especially when he was in Johor, he watch a lot of Singapore drama series where they use a lot of chengyu. :)
It is like some of you who are English educated will like to use idioms in your sentences.

[currymee]

lily2009 and ctb,

Thanks for the clarification on "cheng yu" - really helps for non-BC savvy parents like me :)

Any recommendations on books/dictionary on "cheng yu" ?

[wongjie90]

lily2009 and ctb,

Thanks for the clarification on "cheng yu" - really helps for non-BC savvy parents like me :)

Any recommendations on books/dictionary on "cheng yu" ?

I dont know how old is your child. Anyway, if he already reach std 4 or 5, you can ask him to click on "昔时贤文" or "古今贤文" and i found it is more easy and more fun compare to "cheng yu".

[currymee]

I dont know how old is your child. Anyway, if he already reach std 4 or 5, you can ask him to click on "昔时贤文" or "古今贤文" and i found it is more easy and more fun compare to "cheng yu".

wongjie,

Thanks for the ideas :)

My son is in Std 3, I will pass on your suggestions to my wife - the BC tutor :D

[lily2009]

Hi currymee,

I am using ZHONGHUA CHENGYU CIDIAN, but it is from China. When I go to local book shops, I will look for a similar dictionary for your son.
Or if you have time, you may bring your son to my place to have a look at the dictionary I am using, he may know what type of the dictionary he needs.

[currymee]

lily2009,

I will let my wife know your suggestion. We normally go to Casamac and ask the lady boss. This time around, we will look for such a "cheng yu" cidian at the Popular Book Sale as well if they are from PRC.


Hi currymee,

I am using ZHONGHUA CHENGYU CIDIAN, but it is from China. When I go to local book shops, I will look for a similar dictionary for your son.
Or if you have time, you may bring your son to my place to have a look at the dictionary I am using, he may know what type of the dictionary he needs.

[ctb]

[QUOTE=currymee;536699]lily2009,

I will let my wife know your suggestion. We normally go to Casamac and ask the lady boss. This time around, we will look for such a "cheng yu" cidian at the Popular Book Sale as well if they are from recommendation


Do your son subscribe "ge mei liang"? The author use comic to explain the chengyu meaning. A lot of pupils like to read.

[ctb]

Do your son subscribe "ge mei liang"? The author use comic to explain the chengyu meaning. A lot of pupils like to read.[/QUOTE]

2777

[ctb]

Do your son subscribe "ge mei liang"? The author use comic to explain the chengyu meaning. A lot of pupils like to read.

2777[/QUOTE]

I find this book is very useful. I bought from popular, there are volume 1 and 2. You can get English Idioms and phrasal verb too.

[currymee]

ctb,

Thanks for the suggestions :) I told my wife and she will go and check it out at Popular Sunway Pyramid next weekend.

[currymee]

As I dropped my son off to school this morning, I just noticed the ....

NEW LICK HUNG MAIN "GATE" ARCH .... fuyoh .... keng !!! ;)

Let's pray NO LIGHTNING STRIKE during thunderstorm, at that height and made out of iron, ONE HELL OF A BIG LIGHTNING ROD !!! :eek:

Why couldn't they just have a nice simple plaque besides the main gate? :confused: I am happy for the school to be successful and I am sure there are better ways to promote yourself.

I thought SJKCs are also supposed to project a positive image and teach the children HUMBLE VALUES instead of being BOASTFUL ? Maybe I am at the "wrong" school leh ...

[nescafeADay]

2777

I find this book is very useful. I bought from popular, there are volume 1 and 2. You can get English Idioms and phrasal verb too.[/QUOTE]

Last time when young, learnt Cheng Yu from Lao Fu Zi comics (老夫子）. Now think of it, one advantage learning from Lao Fu Zi (老夫子）is, even if your command of Chinese is not so good, don't know a lot of words, but every page, just need to know the 4 characters making up the Cheng Yu, vs reading a book with more Chinese words that need to refer dictionary before can get what the Cheng Yu means.

[currymee]

Guess what, I told my wife about learning from Lao Fu Zi comics (老夫子), she just gave me a "STUPID" LOOK - OOOPPPPSSS .... hehehehe ... :p :D

She said that Lao Fu Zi comics (老夫子) will turn the children into idiots chasing after girls and doing all the "wrong" things .... BANNED !!! :rolleyes:

[ctb]

Guess what, I told my wife about learning from Lao Fu Zi comics (老夫子), she just gave me a "STUPID" LOOK - OOOPPPPSSS .... hehehehe ... :p :D

She said that Lao Fu Zi comics (老夫子) will turn the children into idiots chasing after girls and doing all the "wrong" things .... BANNED !!! :rolleyes:

Get "ge mei liang" instead. The contents more on education and through jokes, the children will love it.

[nescafeADay]

Guess what, I told my wife about learning from Lao Fu Zi comics (老夫子), she just gave me a "STUPID" LOOK - OOOPPPPSSS .... hehehehe ... :p :D

She said that Lao Fu Zi comics (老夫子) will turn the children into idiots chasing after girls and doing all the "wrong" things .... BANNED !!! :rolleyes:

True also :P

[Mommy]

True also :P

hahaha, my boy will be very happy if I ever tell him "lau fu zi" can increase his chinese knowledge!!!:p

[currymee]

Get "ge mei liang" instead. The contents more on education and through jokes, the children will love it.

Thanks for the advice. I think my wife will be doing that this weekend. She has actually decided to go to Popular this weekend. My son actually prefers all those "fighting" comics ... boys will be boys :rolleyes: (I know !!) :p

[currymee]

REMINDER - PIBG AGM 2012 - Notice

A reminder for all those parents who are thinking of attending the PIBG AGM.

Please note the all important date: This SUNDAY, 25th March 2012

I do strongly encourage as many parents as possible to attend. :)


http://i754.photobucket.com/albums/xx189/currymee/PIBG2012-1.jpg

[sydneymak]

Just got the letter today. All standard one student parents have to collect rm100 today fr 1.30 - 3.30pm

[sydneymak]

2777

I find this book is very useful. I bought from popular, there are volume 1 and 2. You can get English Idioms and phrasal verb too.[/QUOTE]

This book comes with 4 volumes. By the way, if you r using those thick cidian, it contains chengyu explainaion as well.

[sewlover]

Just came back from sending my son to school. How come traffic so smooth today? No jam in front of the school gate. Strange...

[sydneymak]

Anyone facing the same problem? Please share how to improve

I ve seen students with similar mistake. It is not about being careless. It is more to they dont learn the words by heartssomething ......try to guide the student to learn how this word is made. Fo example, 推 和 堆。 one has 提手旁,another is 提土旁。we push using hands, thats why 提手旁. On the other hand, link the 堆 to 堆积如山 it has something to do with the soil

[currymee]

My son was over the moon ... he made it (just) into the top 10 of his class despite the "slaughtering" he got in the BC papers ;) The teacher said he was lucky that his other papers were in the high 90s or else ....

He promised he will buck up for his BC papers in the next exams.

[Rhiga]

Congratulations Bro,

Score is always relative.. when there is a tough exam, reduction in marks may not necessary cause reduction in class position… :p

Cheers

[Mommy]

My son was over the moon ... he made it (just) into the top 10 of his class despite the "slaughtering" he got in the BC papers ;) The teacher said he was lucky that his other papers were in the high 90s or else ....

He promised he will buck up for his BC papers in the next exams.


hahaha, same for my boy...unfortunately, still not within 5....so he'll get something not as his dream, still "something:...

[currymee]

Congratulations Bro,

Score is always relative.. when there is a tough exam, reduction in marks may not necessary cause reduction in class position… :p

Cheers

Thanks, Bro. True what you said.

However, he did not meet one of his "targets" which is to get all "A"s (above 80%) for all subjects but I guess, it is a good "shock" and reminder for him not to take his studies for granted and slack off ....

Now, he has improved in terms of paying attention in class and his homework esp in BC.

[currymee]

hahaha, same for my boy...unfortunately, still not within 5....so he'll get something not as his dream, still "something:...

Happy to hear that :) ... wow, Mommy, you set a high target - top 5 !!

[Mommy]

Happy to hear that :) ... wow, Mommy, you set a high target - top 5 !!

Actually, I do not wish to. But I scared if I let him too loose, he will be slack as he is definitely not matured & independent compare to other kids at this age...:p

[Totoro2010]

Do you receive a form to fill in profile of father & mother?

This form including employee name, address & tel no. and our monthly income.

Why should we disclose all these informations? :confused:

[Mommy]

Do you receive a form to fill in profile of father & mother?

This form including employee name, address & tel no. and our monthly income.

Why should we disclose all these informations? :confused:

To judge how much we Shd donate??? Anyway, I didn't fill up that field!!!

[currymee]

Hahahahaa .... for the monthly salary section, I put down RM1million per month, (that is what I wish for :) ) let's see if the school believes that !! :p

If teacher asks why, I told my son to tell the teacher that is what my father is aiming for .... ;) :D - hopefully I get there soon !!

[currymee]

Do you receive a form to fill in profile of father & mother?

This form including employee name, address & tel no. and our monthly income.

Why should we disclose all these informations? :confused:

According to my son, some of his friends were told by the teacher to take the half-filled forms back to be completed. The teacher told the children that it is the GOVT that wants the information, not the school - so "pass the buck" huh ? Very smart teacher :D

[nescafeADay]

Just sharing, I find this online Chinese Dictionary very useful, especially when I have way doing work on my laptop, my girls come and consult me, a quick reference from this site helps a lot.

http://www.sjkc.com.my/dictionary/index.htm.

[Totoro2010]

... I put down RM1million per month, ..

haha...good idea ! :D

[Totoro2010]

According to my son, some of his friends were told by the teacher to take the half-filled forms back to be completed. The teacher told the children that it is the GOVT that wants the information, not the school - so "pass the buck" huh ? Very smart teacher :D

Any rejection for putting 1 million? :D

[Totoro2010]

Just sharing, I find this online Chinese Dictionary very useful, especially when I have way doing work on my laptop, my girls come and consult me, a quick reference from this site helps a lot.

http://www.sjkc.com.my/dictionary/index.htm.

Thank you for sharing! :)

[currymee]

Any rejection for putting 1 million? :D

Got !! Son gave me back the form just now and said teacher laughed and asked to make correction hahahahaha .... :D

Aiseyman, the teacher think I cannot earn RM1million a month meh ? I am "insulted" leh .... :mad: :p :p

Like that, I put down NO INCOME - house-husband .... hahahahaha .... padan muka !! :rolleyes:

[nescafeADay]

For Volume 2 of the ChengYu comics from Learners Publishing, it's missing Han Yu Pin Yin. (mm... or is it my copy only) Volume 1, 3 & 4 all come with Han Yu Pin Yin.

So I find the Han Yu Pin Yin from the Chinese Dictionary site and guess what, it comes with English translation for the Cheng Yu as well :)

I uploaded a pdf here: http://zilingyuying.files.wordpress.com/2012/03/chengyu2.pdf

Just sharing.

[Rhiga]

According to my son, some of his friends were told by the teacher to take the half-filled forms back to be completed. The teacher told the children that it is the GOVT that wants the information, not the school - so "pass the buck" huh ? Very smart teacher :D

Well, I will provide 3 info only – name, contact number and IC number..

If LH or MOE require more than the above, very simple – just get a Court Order.

And I may contest the Court Order…!!

Try me.. :rolleyes:

[currymee]

Well, I will provide 3 info only – name, contact number and IC number..

If LH or MOE require more than the above, very simple – just get a Court Order.

And I may contest the Court Order…!!

Try me.. :rolleyes:

Wow, don't play-play with Bro Rhiga .... hahahaha .... :D

[currymee]

Commotion at Guardhouse (Saturday lunchtime - 24/3/2012) ? :confused:

One of the parents called me and told me that there was a big commotion and shouting by one of the senior teachers at the security guard for letting the parents into the school compound to fetch their kids from the canteen.

As I did not see what actually transpired, all I can say is that the school management needs to work out a better system and make it OFFICIAL on how parents can fetch their kids during co-curriculum weekends. PLEASE ISSUE AN OFFICIAL NOTICE TO ALL PARENTS !!

As far as I am aware, the kids were told to wait for the parents at the canteen and not cluster around blocking the gate while parents were told to wait at the gate. Well, in theory that sounds workable EXCEPT:

1) There is a good 30 metres between the gate and the porch of the canteen.

2) The view of the gate and canteen is "blocked" by the curve of the courtyard and its shrubs (right hand side) - so parents and kids cannot see other - I doubt if any of the teachers have actually try this :rolleyes: :p !! So, there will be a HELL OF A LOT OF SHOUTING by angry parents to demand going in !! I really pity the security guard here.

3) If all the kids wait at the canteen, there will be so much noise, you will lucky if you can hear anything and furthermore, kids being kids, don't expect them to sit still and wait quietly on Saturday/Sunday "off day" ....

SO HOW ? :confused:

I think it is better for tomorrow's PIBG AGM to discuss about this than worry about the election of the AJK or buying tables/chairs for the new block ... hahahaha ... pity, I am leaving for Singapore this evening and shall miss the AGM. Otherwise, I will raise this issue for discussion.

[fRaNkY]

Must be the indian ladysecurityguard. I went in pass guard house n she didnt stop me this morning.

Wah! Construction almost 4 floors liao...

[Mommy]

Must be the indian ladysecurityguard. I went in pass guard house n she didnt stop me this morning.

Wah! Construction almost 4 floors liao...

that's very fast. Looks like by mid year, children can use the new block & will be full time morning session?
Any comment in the AGM?

[sydneymak]

The following are the news i get from the PIBG meeting.
1. New school block will be ready by june july. Still lack of rm 500k. One session of schooling will start around that time. School will start at 7.15 am (std 4,5,6 )n 7.30am (std 1,2,3). School will dismiss at 3 pm( std 1 & 2) , 3.30pm ( 3 & 4), 4pm ( 5 & 6)

Study hour basically remain the same. Students stay back for extra co-cu and tuition. All students have no excuse to not taking part in the afternoon pre planned activities. Anyone cannot follow the school programme will be transfered out from lick hung. There will be 4 chinese school in subang jaya by then. high performance school hm has the right to determine the placement of 20% of the students who are under perform. ( i think he meant those who cannot follow the school afternoon activities, including tuition)

2. HM show us what r the criteria lick hung is chosen as HPS. 50% academic result (UPSR 30% +LINUS 20%), cocurriculum 30%, networking between schools 10% ( how the school interect with schools locally n internationally.) , 10% for etos (outstanding characters of students)
3. GRED PURATA SEKOLAH (GPS) for.UPSR this year is 1.62 ( 1-A, 2-B, 3-C, 4-D, 5-E)....that means average score for each subject is between A and B

4. Number of teachers 123 (40 degree holder, 10 is pursuing degree).Total students this year is 2988: 431 std 1, 509 std 2, 446 std 3, 437 std 4 , 549 std 5 , 616 std 6

5. Issue discussed/informed:
a. Heavy school bag: when the new block is ready, no more sharing of classroom. Students can leave their books in the classroom which will be locked after school by teacher.
b. Dirty toilet: contractor assigned by the moe is not performing even though lots of complaint been made. However, the toilet is washed everyday.

c. Traffic jam in front .of school: need everyone cooperation. Do not buy food or drinks from the hawker outside the school. When there is no business, they will not come. Too many people gathering around the hawker somehow cause the traffic jam. Parents are advise to not to stop their car right in front of the school gate to allight their children. There are more space moving forward.

D. No car is allowed to drive into the school compound. There was case where school bus drove into the school compond. N the bus knock down students. Therefore it is a strict ban on vehicles into the school compound.( I agree on this)

d. One session of schooling: it is confirmed. All parents should know since last year. We have to do our own arrangement coz they will not delay to start the one s hooling session.

[sydneymak]

I suggested the security guard to help to direct the traffic, give gentle reminder to parents to move forward, rather than stop at the gate. But i was told that directing traffic is the job of traffic police. Well, i felt humiliated by my own wrong choice of words. I should have said the school worker or pakcik or whatever they call. Coz i see an sk school beside the smk usj 8 has one pakcik directing cars

Anyway, all issue can be directed to hm any time via email 160805lh@gmail.com hm got smart phone to receive email all the time. Or parents can meet him 6am at the gate coz he always there without fail. We dun have to wait till agm

[currymee]

sydneymak,

Thank you for the detailed report on the PIBG AGM :) So, are you elected for the PIBG AJK ?


The following are the news i get from the PIBG meeting.
1. New school block will be ready by june july. Still lack of rm 500k. One session of schooling will start around that time. School will start at 7.15 am (std 4,5,6 )n 7.30am (std 1,2,3). School will dismiss at 3 pm( std 1 & 2) , 3.30pm ( 3 & 4), 4pm ( 5 & 6)

Study hour basically remain the same. Students stay back for extra co-cu and tuition. All students have no excuse to not taking part in the afternoon pre planned activities. Anyone cannot follow the school programme will be transfered out from lick hung. There will be 4 chinese school in subang jaya by then. high performance school hm has the right to determine the placement of 20% of the students who are under perform. ( i think he meant those who cannot follow the school afternoon activities, including tuition)

2. HM show us what r the criteria lick hung is chosen as HPS. 50% academic result (UPSR 30% +LINUS 20%), cocurriculum 30%, networking between schools 10% ( how the school interect with schools locally n internationally.) , 10% for etos (outstanding characters of students)
3. GRED PURATA SEKOLAH (GPS) for.UPSR this year is 1.62 ( 1-A, 2-B, 3-C, 4-D, 5-E)....that means average score for each subject is between A and B

4. Number of teachers 123 (40 degree holder, 10 is pursuing degree).Total students this year is 2988: 431 std 1, 509 std 2, 446 std 3, 437 std 4 , 549 std 5 , 616 std 6

5. Issue discussed/informed:
a. Heavy school bag: when the new block is ready, no more sharing of classroom. Students can leave their books in the classroom which will be locked after school by teacher.
b. Dirty toilet: contractor assigned by the moe is not performing even though lots of complaint been made. However, the toilet is washed everyday.

c. Traffic jam in front .of school: need everyone cooperation. Do not buy food or drinks from the hawker outside the school. When there is no business, they will not come. Too many people gathering around the hawker somehow cause the traffic jam. Parents are advise to not to stop their car right in front of the school gate to allight their children. There are more space moving forward.

D. No car is allowed to drive into the school compound. There was case where school bus drove into the school compond. N the bus knock down students. Therefore it is a strict ban on vehicles into the school compound.( I agree on this)

d. One session of schooling: it is confirmed. All parents should know since last year. We have to do our own arrangement coz they will not delay to start the one s hooling session.

[Mommy]

I suggested the security guard to help to direct the traffic, give gentle reminder to parents to move forward, rather than stop at the gate. But i was told that directing traffic is the job of traffic police. Well, i felt humiliated by my own wrong choice of words. I should have said the school worker or pakcik or whatever they call. Coz i see an sk school beside the smk usj 8 has one pakcik directing cars

Anyway, all issue can be directed to hm any time via email 160805lh@gmail.com hm got smart phone to receive email all the time. Or parents can meet him 6am at the gate coz he always there without fail. We dun have to wait till agm

Agree. During my school days, there used to be an uncle directing the traffic and ensure that kids cross the road safely. Also ensuring no cars are parked around the school gate.

[currymee]

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Study hour basically remain the same. Students stay back for extra co-cu and tuition. All students have no excuse to not taking part in the afternoon pre planned activities. Anyone cannot follow the school programme will be transfered out from lick hung. There will be 4 chinese school in subang jaya by then. high performance school hm has the right to determine the placement of 20% of the students who are under perform. ( i think he meant those who cannot follow the school afternoon activities, including tuition)

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On the above matter, I hope the HM and PIBG AJK that are reading to think carefully before they act in a gung-ho manner, I suggest they seek legal advice esp related to fee-paying activities. I highlight this for their attention that ANY FEE-PAYING ACTIVITY (including TUITION) is not compulsary and any punitive action taken is AGAINST THE LAW for a child attending public FREE PRIMARY education in Malaysia.

Lick Hung may be super-status and the school management may be given freedom to do certain activities but it is still a PUBLIC PRIMARY SCHOOL (not a fee-based private school) and governed by the Education Act. There is NO MEANS (ability to pay) TESTING on primary children education.

As far as I am aware for obtaining both the Cluster Status and HPS status, Lick Hung is given additional funds to carry out the activities stipulated under the status provisions. To further CHARGE ADDITIONAL FEES (including "subtle" coercing the children to buy 101 workbooks !!) is actually an offence but most Lick Hung parents "close-one-eye" and paid up quietly to avoid any hassle, so do take note and don't be gung-ho in removing children who wish to take part but will not pay as it is within their RIGHTS to do so and the school has been given funds to cover for these expenses.

You have been informed here. Please think carefully before you do anything silly.

PS: I am not saying I will not pay BUT I definitely will not pay for my child to take part in extra activities that I deemed of no value to him just because some stupid BN politicians (Minister of Education and his deputies) decided that it is "fashionable" to do so !! :rolleyes:

[sydneymak]

No, someone nominated me after i asked question about the acc. To take the post of audit but i object coz i dun have the accounting background . I m busy with my own work as well. I just be the partcipating audience

[currymee]

No, someone nominated me after i asked question about the acc. To take the post of audit but i object coz i dun have the accounting background . I m busy with my own work as well. I just be the partcipating audience

That is OK. I am just happy that you are there :)

Next year, I will try to ensure there is no clash of dates for my work with the PIBG AGM.

As for the HM answering emails, well, I can safely say that a few parents that I know mentioned that he does answer and reply but takes a while, so be patient.

Unfortunately, so far, he has not responded to a few of the emails from currymee - I wonder why ? :rolleyes: :p (PS: Fortunately, a few of the LH teachers do respond although privately and usually by emails and pm - thanks )

I guess our "cyber-PIBG" is persona non grata .... :D

[Rhiga]

.....Study hour basically remain the same. Students stay back for extra co-cu and tuition. All students have no excuse to not taking part in the afternoon pre planned activities. Anyone cannot follow the school programme will be transfered out from lick hung. There will be 4 chinese school in subang jaya by then. high performance school hm has the right to determine the placement of 20% of the students who are under perform. ( i think he meant those who cannot follow the school afternoon activities, including tuition)

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This is interesting…

[wongjie90]

]" All students have no excuse to not taking part in the afternoon pre planned activities. Anyone cannot follow the school programme will be transfered out from lick hung. There will be 4 chinese school in subang jaya by then. high performance school hm has the right to determine the placement of 20% of the students who are under perform. ( i think he meant those who cannot follow the school afternoon activities, including tuition) "[/COLOR]

I doubt on this statement. Do they have the right to send this 20% of under performance students to others school ? How to find teachers, tables , chairs and classrooms to allocate all this students because all the other 2 schools ( the 3rd one is upcoming is SJKC Tun Tan Siew Sin ) are very packed ?
Do they know why and what is the purpose 325 was held yesterday ?

[currymee]

You raised an interesting scenario.

Does the HPS status allow the Lick Hung HM to pick the best students from SJKC Chee Wen, Wawasan etc and in return the HM "dumped" the weaker LH students to the other schools in exchange ?

If YES and if he does that, I think the other SJKCs will scream for blood !!! :eek:


]" All students have no excuse to not taking part in the afternoon pre planned activities. Anyone cannot follow the school programme will be transfered out from lick hung. There will be 4 chinese school in subang jaya by then. high performance school hm has the right to determine the placement of 20% of the students who are under perform. ( i think he meant those who cannot follow the school afternoon activities, including tuition) "[/COLOR]

I doubt on this statement. Do they have the right to send this 20% of under performance students to others school ? How to find teachers, tables , chairs and classrooms to allocate all this students because all the other 2 schools ( the 3rd one is upcoming is SJKC Tun Tan Siew Sin ) are very packed ?
Do they know why and what is the purpose 325 was held yesterday ?

[sydneymak]

Hm has to answer to jpn or moe if the school is under perform. He can be transfered to another school. when there r four schools, there will not be over packed issue........anyway, the report i wrote here is what i hear n what i perceive. If anyone find it contradict to the points conveyed by the hm n president, please correct me.

[sydneymak]

You raised an interesting scenario.

Does the HPS status allow the Lick Hung HM to pick the best students from SJKC Chee Wen, Wawasan etc and in return the HM "dumped" the weaker LH students to the other schools in exchange ?

If YES and if he does that, I think the other SJKCs will scream for blood !!! :eek:

He didnt mention about weak students......he just said there are some isolated case where parents are not cooperating with the school ( i thiink he meant that parrnts are not seeing thing from macro view, just think about ownselves........maybe he refers to me coz i asked if there is any possibility to start the one morning session effectively in jan 2013 because we have own planning for yhe whole year. Difficult to change.....)

[akiyoshi]

>>1. New school block will be ready by june july. Still lack of rm 500k. One session of schooling will start around that time. School will start at 7.15 am (std 4,5,6 )n 7.30am (std 1,2,3). School will dismiss at 3 pm( std 1 & 2) , 3.30pm ( 3 & 4), 4pm ( 5 & 6)

Is this a daily regular hours or only for the days where the students need to attend co-co, say for Std 3.
Now parents have to worry about the kids' lunch ! Or the canteen will look forward to robust business !
Imagine, the whole school ( Std 1 - 6 ) need to take lunch at the canteen !! Jam-packed, for sure !

[wongjie90]

Hm has to answer to jpn or moe if the school is under perform. He can be transfered to another school. when there r four schools, there will not be over packed issue........anyway, the report i wrote here is what i hear n what i perceive. If anyone find it contradict to the points conveyed by the hm n president, please correct me.

Do you know by doing this, it will hurt so many students/parent heart and if your children is one of them, do you agree ?

[wongjie90]

A definition of a high perfomance school actually is gauge by the improvent/year and a school which shown improment every year, then he can be choosen by MOE. Every year, there are so many parent choosing their own favorite school in this area and now you want to transfer out their child, what do you think ? Further more, this tranfer will involve a lot of works and burden to teachers, how do they feel ? If all this 4 school become a high perfomance school one day, so, where to put this 20% of students ?

[currymee]

>>1. New school block will be ready by june july. Still lack of rm 500k. One session of schooling will start around that time. School will start at 7.15 am (std 4,5,6 )n 7.30am (std 1,2,3). School will dismiss at 3 pm( std 1 & 2) , 3.30pm ( 3 & 4), 4pm ( 5 & 6)

Is this a daily regular hours or only for the days where the students need to attend co-co, say for Std 3.
Now parents have to worry about the kids' lunch ! Or the canteen will look forward to robust business !
Imagine, the whole school ( Std 1 - 6 ) need to take lunch at the canteen !! Jam-packed, for sure !

I heard that the single-session will be like the private/international schools - daily regular hours.

My bug bear with this arrangement is that knowing Lick Hung teachers, ALL the extra time meant for co-curiculum will be used for homework and extra lessons!! :mad: Let's face the fact, even RIGHT NOW, in the regular schedule, music, art and PE lessons in my son's class were "replaced" with class lessons !! :mad: My son told me the last time they had any PE, music or Art were like in first few weeks of January and since then the teacher has told them that they are "replacing" these classes with lessons !!!

As for the extra tuition in the afternoon, which I disagree due to its ineffectiveness, TELL ME HOW EFFECTIVE IS A TUITION CLASS OF 50 STUDENTS ? JOKERS !! :mad:

Tuition is most effective and best conducted one-on-one or in classes of less than 10 - stupid school management don't even know what works or not in education !!!! Many Std 4, 5 and 6 parents whose children are now "FORCED" to attend LH "tuition" remarked that their children are ONLY DOING HOMEWORK or class lessons that the teachers cannot complete during normal schedule in school, and for that they are forking out RM80+ per month + canteen lunches !!!!!!

SO WHAT TUITION ARE BEING GIVEN ???? Are the weaker students being assisted or they just go along as normal .... STOP WASTING OUR CHILDREN'S TIME and MONEY !! If you want to do proper extra co-curiculum activities, I am fully agreeable and supportive BUT not all these NORMAL CLASSES in disguise as fee-paying tuition rubbish !! I am not supportive of it as I know it doesn't work !!

BTW, the tuition is NOT COMPULSARY and parents have the rights to report to JPN on this - so watch out if you think you can "bully" the parents !!

[onewira]

currymee,

It is obvious from your last few posts that you strongly disagree with the way SJKC Lick Hung is run and the methods of its teaching. The very same methods that make Lick Hung the number 1 SJKC in Malaysia !

As a teacher in the school, I do suggest that you seriously consider transfering your children out from Lick Hung since you have so much complains to another school that you like its PIBG, management or methods. Please go to the school office and we will happily process your request as fast as possible.

Your comments and posts have made the school look bad for the last few years and for your information, a lot of teachers are unhappy about them.

Thank you.

[Mommy]

currymee,

It is obvious from your last few posts that you strongly disagree with the way SJKC Lick Hung is run and the methods of its teaching. The very same methods that make Lick Hung the number 1 SJKC in Malaysia !

As a teacher in the school, I do suggest that you seriously consider transfering your children out from Lick Hung since you have so much complains to another school that you like its PIBG, management or methods. Please go to the school office and we will happily process your request as fast as possible.

Your comments and posts have made the school look bad for the last few years and for your information, a lot of teachers are unhappy about them.

Thank you.

Don't think this is what currymee meant. Every parent wants the best for their kids.

“Confidence, like art, never comes from having all the answers; it comes from being open to all the questions.”

“Education is the ability to listen to almost anything without losing your temper.”
Robert Frost quotes

[sydneymak]

currymee,

It is obvious from your last few posts that you strongly disagree with the way SJKC Lick Hung is run and the methods of its teaching. The very same methods that make Lick Hung the number 1 SJKC in Malaysia !

As a teacher in the school, I do suggest that you seriously consider transfering your children out from Lick Hung since you have so much complains to another school that you like its PIBG, management or methods. Please go to the school office and we will happily process your request as fast as possible.

Your comments and posts have made the school look bad for the last few years and for your information, a lot of teachers are unhappy about them.

Thank you.

Dear teacher of Lick Hung, we love Lick Hung thus we react in such way. Otherwise, you expect us to support blindly to the school policy just like some people support lynas because it is their noble bn government's project?

As a tutor myself, i agree the point of view of cm. Staying back for extra co-cu is good, n we support because we want our children to strive balance in lives. And as a tutor n ex-school teacher who loves teaching like you, i fully agree to cm that tuition in a big class does not help the students. The smart one being pulled back by the slow onw, the slow one can never keep up to the average one. Please listen to our voice which suggest giving tuition to those who really need it. The tuition policy also instil the dependency of children towards tuition class. Good for tutor like me, yet i protest this tuition policy. We really want to help those who r really weak. With the tuition policy, do you really help the weak one? If yes, do you think the smart oned are bored in the class that they lost their precious time to learn more outside the school syllabus?

We want to work together with the school. We are not confronting the school, we want to stand side by side. But, the school have to reciprocate nicely, not full of defensive mechanism.

Again, stay back till late afternoon for co cu is good. But not for tuition. Tuition should meant for weak students who really need more attention from teachers. Again, i m a tutor. Your tuition class will help the students to become more dependent on tuition which is a good news to me as i will have more students when they go to secondary school. Why do i protest here? Because education means real passion to me. That is why i quit from teaching in goverment school.

[currymee]

currymee,

It is obvious from your last few posts that you strongly disagree with the way SJKC Lick Hung is run and the methods of its teaching. The very same methods that make Lick Hung the number 1 SJKC in Malaysia !

As a teacher in the school, I do suggest that you seriously consider transfering your children out from Lick Hung since you have so much complains to another school that you like its PIBG, management or methods. Please go to the school office and we will happily process your request as fast as possible.

Your comments and posts have made the school look bad for the last few years and for your information, a lot of teachers are unhappy about them.

Thank you.

I thank you for your "helpful" suggestion but the quality in Lick Hung has not "deteriorated" to such an extent that I need to jump ship just yet :rolleyes: . However, fyi, I am also keeping that option open but it will not be to transfer to another school rather to go full-time home-study and OUT OF THE MALAYSIAN EDUCATION SYSTEM. ;) I am seriously looking at this option of home-study for secondary school and for my children to sit for Cambridge IGCSE "O" and "A" levels (like the Mara MRSM students) rather than SPM and STPM, which is fast being "degraded".

All I am doing here are highlighting areas of weaknesses and ideas for improvements so that Lick Hung can be an outstanding school and in doing the RIGHT THINGS, THE RIGHT WAY for THE RIGHT REASONS.

The day you do not hear from me is that day you know that I don't give a "monkey" to the school.

Peace be with you ! :)

[Totoro2010]

I just realised the 2nd exam is less than 3 weeks liao

CM, have u got the past year papers?

[Mommy]

I just realised the 2nd exam is less than 3 weeks liao

CM, have u got the past year papers?

O my!! havent even got back report card of 1st term, 2nd term is on the way....more stress than my work :(

[currymee]

I just realised the 2nd exam is less than 3 weeks liao

CM, have u got the past year papers?

WALAU !!! TOTALLY SLIPPED MY MIND !!!! :eek:

Let me go and ask first .....

[currymee]

Bro Rhiga,

Let it be and move on. We have exams in 3 weeks time :eek:. Let us not sink to the same level and issue "suggestions" as well ;)

Not worth getting worked up over people who cannot see the values of what we are trying to say. I accept the fact that there will be people who will have different point of views or vested interest to protect.

As far as I am concerned, the message and point that I am trying to say and make is clear and understood, that is enough. I know that members of the PIBG AJK and HM are reading, so as long as they have noticed and take heed, that is mission accomplished.

[currymee]

Much to my surprise, I noticed that a number of Std 5 and 6 parents just now were discussing about the "ineffective" after-normal classes school PAID TUITON and many actually disagreed with the school policy/practice but kept quiet for fear of reprisals on their children. :eek:

This is BAD for the school IF parents are doing things not because they believe or think it is helpful or good, but OUT OF FEAR .... very sad indeed :(

I hope the PIBG AJK will consider asking ALL the parents for a VOTE (via reply form) as to whether they want the TUITON. At least, let the parents decide if they want to participate or not. A number of parents think it is a waste of time and money and they prefer to send their children for specific subject external tuition instead.

[nescafeADay]

Nowadays it's tough to be a good teacher. Even tougher if to become a SRJK(C) teacher with a class close to 50 children.

Same also, nowadays it's tough to be a good parent too. Even tougher if you are a working parent.

So all good people here, let's calm down and try to work out how we can help our children.

And thing gets worse when there is no one system that can help all, suit requirements from all parents/children.

May be there are parents who find the after school tuition helpful.

A vote and feedback form is great idea to collect input from parents. Saya sokong.

I am new and don't know what is the current tuition like for std 5 & 6 students.
Is it taught by the school teachers? Whether it really helps or not? May be it's helpful for those that is weak but not so much for those that is above par ?
May be the tuition class can be optional for children that is above par,
but for weak students, may be the parents have to prove they are engaging others help/alternatives to help their children if they want to opt out from the tuition class?
Or the tuition class is mandatory for weak children, and different approach is specially designed for this class to help those children to cope, like smaller class size, more personal coaching ? or can opt for tuition by subjects ?
Or may be there are other options for brilliant children since we have the space available already, we can have classes like English Drama, etc, things that we can add on to children that can take in more ?
..
I guess I just want to say best if there are many options, and each class is in smaller size, with clear objective (for both parents and teachers to know what needs to be achieved for those extra classes), and help as much children as possible, and develop potential in children that can stretch more.
... ya, just my ideal dream

[sydneymak]

Sjkc sentul have after school tuition and it is OPTIONAL. This is not hear say. It was told by the president of their school dong shi.

I second the suggestion of nescafeADay about the feedback form.

[currymee]

Sjkc sentul have after school tuition and it is OPTIONAL. This is not hear say. It was told by the president of their school dong shi.

I second the suggestion of nescafeADay about the feedback form.

It is OPTIONAL in all the schools that I have heard of because it is FEES-BASED tuition. The only exception is Lick Hung !!!

Note: I have checked with my friends in JPN Selangor yesterday and they mentioned that SCHOOL MANAGEMENT is NOT allowed to make any fees-based activities compulsary (only optional) - not only the after-school tuition, even the COMPUTER CLASS IS OPTIONAL if fees are charged !! :p I am trying to get a copy of the JPN Surat Pekeliling (Circulars) stating this fact.

This is the first GENERAL letter I found (more to come): http://www.moe.gov.my/upload/galeri_awam/pekeliling/1258597998.pdf

Interesting to note that schools are only allowed to charge minimum rate of RM3.00 for co-curiculum for primary school and RM6.00 for secondary - I doubt any of us are paying so little leh - SJ/USJ parents must be paying MAXIMUM RATE per activity !! :rolleyes:

Note 2: I am not trying to create any problems for the school (before "onewira" jumps on me again !! :p ) but to let the school knows that it should be DOING THE RIGHT THING, THE RIGHT WAY , FOR THE RIGHT REASON .... making ANY FEES-BASED ACTIVITIES COMPULSARY IS WRONG. They are OPTIONAL and please give the parents these options, if we make the wrong choice then it will be our responsibilities as parents.

[currymee]

I got an email (from an ex-LH parent - nice to hear from you again ;) ) informing me that the ONLY WAY TO CHANGE things in Lick Hung is via the PIBG AJK as the Government has "authorised" the PIBG AJK to set the quantum of all EXTRA fees for the school :eek: . He mentioned that was why he had campaigned so hard in the past and fought all the way to control the Lick Hung PIBG to stop all these nonsense but to no avail. He is no match for the "choy tan".

He said that is why the school management is so interested in having a "cooperative" PIBG AJK instead of a radical AJK !! :rolleyes:

AISEYMAN, like that .... so sad .... :(

And HOW the school management will always control the PIBG AJK: http://www.moe.gov.my/?id=168&aid=1162

[currymee]

Hahahhaa .... some parents are REALLY BLUR !!!! :D

I got an email telling me that IF I don't agree or like the after-school based TUITON - just don't go and join.

Hello !! I am NOT INTERESTED and DON'T WANT TO JOIN - but the school management is making it compulsary (so far to date), SO HOW ?

[sewlover]

I heard some SJKC having coming Monday off for Ching Ming. May I know if LH also practise day off for ching ming in the past years?

[currymee]

I heard some SJKC having coming Monday off for Ching Ming. May I know if LH also practise day off for ching ming in the past years?

As far as I know, NEVER ... but there is always a first time ...

[currymee]

OK, enough .... everytime I talk about the PIBG AJK or the school management, my BLOOD PRESSURE goes up .... not good ....

Time to focus on the REALLY important things in Lick Hung - EXAMINATIONS !!! :p

[sewlover]

I notice school these days doesn't really teach...the teachers only tell students what exercise to do without much explanation. At the end of the day, parents are the one that spend so much time and money and effort trying to make their children understand and learn. I don't remember parents sending primary school kids to tuition in the 70s-80s.
My son in std 1 came back complaining teacher not teaching PM, but busy marking their maths homework during PM period. He also mentioned teacher didn't teach them the maths calculation and so he came back not knowing how to do the homework. Lately he also came back with minimal homework too. Not sure if this is good news or bad news. I wonder if the other STD 1 classes also the same?

Worried mom :-(

[currymee]

I notice school these days doesn't really teach...the teachers only tell students what exercise to do without much explanation. At the end of the day, parents are the one that spend so much time and money and effort trying to make their children understand and learn. I don't remember parents sending primary school kids to tuition in the 70s-80s.
My son in std 1 came back complaining teacher not teaching PM, but busy marking their maths homework during PM period. He also mentioned teacher didn't teach them the maths calculation and so he came back not knowing how to do the homework. Lately he also came back with minimal homework too. Not sure if this is good news or bad news. I wonder if the other STD 1 classes also the same?

Worried mom :-(

It is not just Lick Hung, it is in every school in Malaysia :(. Not surprising at all and it gets worse as you go higher in the non-exam Std. The school only STARTS TEACHING 8 MONTHS BEFORE UPSR, until then you are on your own except for some exceptional teachers who actually CARES - rare breed ....

Now you know why I am not keen on the AFTER SCHOOL TUITION, I prefer to teach my children at home than for them to waste time in school ....

[currymee]

It is not just Lick Hung, it is in every school in Malaysia :(. Not surprising at all and it gets worse as you go higher in the non-exam Std. The school only STARTS TEACHING 8 MONTHS BEFORE UPSR, until then you are on your own except for some exceptional teachers who actually CARES - rare breed ....

Now you know why I am not keen on the AFTER SCHOOL TUITION, I prefer to teach my children at home than for them to waste time in school ....

I got a PM telling me that it is UNFAIR of me to tar all Lick Hung teachers with the same negative brush.

OK, my sincere apologises to the Lick Hung teachers that are helpful, diligent, caring and do work properly :o Like I said, they are there but rare breed. Just check your children's school work and see how the work is marked. I find my son's mistakes all marked as correct esp in the workbooks. I asked my son what is going on and he said, teacher discussed in class and told them the answers, so they just copy down. So if the children copied down incorrectly, teacher still give correct ? :confused: Then, when the children do revision on their own, they are learning all the wrong things then !! Better for the school to do LESS IN QUANTITY BUT MORE ATTENTION IN QUALITY PLEASE !!

[Mommy]

I got a PM telling me that it is UNFAIR of me to tar all Lick Hung teachers with the same negative brush.

OK, my sincere apologises to the Lick Hung teachers that are helpful, diligent, caring and do work properly :o Like I said, they are there but rare breed. Just check your children's school work and see how the work is marked. I find my son's mistakes all marked as correct esp in the workbooks. I asked my son what is going on and he said, teacher discussed in class and told them the answers, so they just copy down. So if the children copied down incorrectly, teacher still give correct ? :confused: Then, when the children do revision on their own, they are learning all the wrong things then !! Better for the school to do LESS IN QUANTITY BUT MORE ATTENTION IN QUALITY PLEASE !!

Yup, some of it, the kids marked themselves. Son asked for blue & red pen each for this marking. BC which is the killer subject will be a problem coz banana parent like me will not know whether the marking is correct or not

[nescafeADay]

If you read today Sin Chew newspaper , there is a coverage about a demonstration in France. The parents are demanding "NO HOMEWORK AT HOME" , which is stated in the country laws (since 1950+). They said the assignment of homework to be completed at home caused problem in the parent-child relationship at home. Not all parents are capable and have time to help their children in their homework. They claimed that the school is pushing the responsibility to teach to the parents.
Hahaha ... that is France.

Neh... I don't agree. Sufficient amount of homework is good.

But then there is one important fact here: Not all parents are capable and have time to help their children. Ya, the number of parents fall into this criteria sometimes can be a lot. And if all teachers are not teaching, then teruk lo.. What will become to our next generation? our society in future?

Another news from England, on the investigation done on the last Summer riot in the country, that involved 15 thousands people, majority youngster below 24 years old, and one common attribute found in this group of people is they are not doing well in their studies. One of the action item proposed is to punish the schools who fail to educate these people. .. cool isn't it .. hahaha.

Sigh ... it's happening everywhere... I still think the major problem is the lack of responsibility on the role a person play. teacher not teaching, school not educating, parent not bother, and many many more... it's a society problem..

So a big clap to all the teachers that are teaching, a big clap to all the parents who care and help in their children studies (trust me, still a lot don't bother and think it's school's job), please continue the good work and stay "fighting" (that is how Korean say 加油) .

[sydneymak]

There is one thing that i observe among the children in all subjects: never read instruction before doing any exercise. So parents, please caltivate this habit of reading instruction......

Fees charge by school is considered minimum. Nevertheless, i still feel that we must have the option to choose to or not to participate . Pibg n dong shi in sjkc sentul offer financial aid to those who really need the tuition yet facing financial constrain.......does lick hung have? I dun have financial problem. But if i can save on the tuition n send ny gal to learn other non academic related activity, i think i will be very happy.

Make co cu compulsory is ok, but not tuition.

The school has to issue formal notice to parents on how the one morning session being carry out, just like how letter asking for donation being issued to EVERYONE. Please dun wait till last minute just like how we get the notice on rm100 rebate........one or two days before notice is Really BAD. Yes we know we are getting the rebate, but at least let us know when.

[nescafeADay]

Better for the school to do LESS IN QUANTITY BUT MORE ATTENTION IN QUALITY PLEASE !!

Ya, we need more teachers and smaller class size. I wonder in Sekolah Kebangsaan how many students in one class normally?

My generation SRJK(C) in Kedah also 50+- students a class.
My daughters generation, here in Selangor, big city, 43.

[Mommy]

Ya, we need more teachers and smaller class size. I wonder in Sekolah Kebangsaan how many students in one class normally?

My generation SRJK(C) in Kedah also 50+- students a class.
My daughters generation, here in Selangor, big city, 43.

My niece in SRK SJ only 30-35 in a class...and only 5-6 classes for 1 Std.

[currymee]

Report Card Collection on MONDAY (2nd April 2012)

Date: Monday, 2nd April 2012
Time: 8:30 - 9:00 AM or 11:30 - 12:00 noon (I hope my blur sotong son jotted down CORRECTLY ! :p )

Announcement made by HM to the morning session.

If you need to take leave, please apply.

[currymee]

Thank you for the notification, CM...but still too late for me to apply leave, I have to apply 3 working days & before, now only 2 working days and will record as EL at my profile :o...I wonder why the school management cannot make the announcement early:confused:

Anyway, why this time have to collect report card?

It is between the RECESS periods. During RECESS, the school is "CLOSED" to visitors for security reason.

Report Card Collection on MONDAY (2nd April 2012)

Date: Monday, 2nd April 2012
Time: 8:30 - 9:00 AM or 11:30 - 12:00 noon (I hope my blur sotong son jotted down CORRECTLY ! :p )

Announcement made by HM to the morning session.

If you need to take leave, please apply.

[Totoro2010]

Thank you for the notification, CM...but still too late for me to apply leave, I have to apply 3 working days & before, now only 2 working days and will record as EL at my profile :o...I wonder why the school management cannot make the announcement early :confused::mad:

Anyway, why this time have to collect report card?

[Mommy]

Thank you for the notification, CM...but still too late for me to apply leave, I have to apply 3 working days & before, now only 2 working days and will record as EL at my profile :o...I wonder why the school management cannot make the announcement early :confused::mad:

Anyway, why this time have to collect report card?

No need to apply leave. Curi curi go out lor :)

[Totoro2010]

No need to apply leave. Curi curi go out lor :)

Cannot, I am not working near LH :o

[currymee]

Thank you for the notification, CM...but still too late for me to apply leave, I have to apply 3 working days & before, now only 2 working days and will record as EL at my profile :o...I wonder why the school management cannot make the announcement early :confused::mad:

Anyway, why this time have to collect report card?

OK :o :D now I understand your question WHY THIS "OCCASSION" has to go and collect report card .... Since I am a mischevious fellow :p , I will say probably to "psycho" the parents to cough out some more donations :D .... after all, it is short of RM500K (according to sydneymak's PIBG AGM report) to complete the new block ... will not surprise me if they do so :rolleyes:

As for earlier announcement, I am just thankful they gave more than 24 hours notice !!! :eek: As it is, I already have to reschedule one meeting.

[akiyoshi]

For my son's class, the teacher said that parents who couldn't collect can provide a letter and the child will bring the report card home. Will just do that. :)

[sydneymak]

For my son's class, the teacher said that parents who couldn't collect can provide a letter and the child will bring the report card home. Will just do that. :)

Most of the children love to see their daddy mummy to go to school to collect their report cards. Unlike secondary school teenagers. So, if the school can consider this psychological element in the education system, you are really a good.educator.责无旁贷。

[akiyoshi]

Most of the children love to see their daddy mummy to go to school to collect their report cards. Unlike secondary school teenagers. So, if the school can consider this psychological element in the education system, you are really a good.educator.责无旁贷。

Sorry, didn't quite grasp your meaning. Yes, I too think that they feel proud when they see their parents coming, especially if they did well. Come to think of it, it's a good excuse to avoid the horrendous Monday Jam to go to work.. Better jam at Lick Hung instead then have breakfast before heading for work!!

[currymee]

Advised to say "LESS NEGATIVE" things :o

Alamak !! My wife read what I had written this whole morning and she was not happy that I gave the impression that I am a "trouble-maker" for the school esp after one of the teachers had replied :eek: :eek:

She said she is worried that our son could be "singled-out" for special treatment by the school teachers if they find out. So, I have been told to back off from criticising the school. She said after reading the forum that I was so stupid to be vocal while other parents just keep quiet while I "fight" for the RIGHT THINGS, THE RIGHT WAY FOR THE RIGHT REASON and they also enjoy the benefits but looks good in the eyes of the school. Currymee is the "trouble-maker" and "problem" parent.

I told her off that it is this sort of thinking that the school management uses to cower and "bully" all the parents and everyone is hoping the next person will do the "fighting" for them.

I told her that if they dare to touch a hair of his head, I will sue the school management, PIBG AJK and the teachers till Kingdom come !!

As a result, we had a big argument just now :(

[Hiliary]

Advised to say "LESS NEGATIVE" things :o

Alamak !! My wife read what I had written this whole morning and she was not happy that I gave the impression that I am a "trouble-maker" for the school esp after one of the teachers had replied :eek: :eek:

She said she is worried that our son could be "singled-out" for special treatment by the school teachers if they find out. So, I have been told to back off from criticising the school. She said after reading the forum that I was so stupid to be vocal while other parents just keep quiet while I "fight" for the RIGHT THINGS, THE RIGHT WAY FOR THE RIGHT REASON and they also enjoy the benefits but looks good in the eyes of the school. Currymee is the "trouble-maker" and "problem" parent.

I told her off that it is this sort of thinking that the school management uses to cower and "bully" all the parents and everyone is hoping the next person will do the "fighting" for them.

I told her that if they dare to touch a hair of his head, I will sue the school management, PIBG AJK and the teachers till Kingdom come !!

As a result, we had a big argument just now :(


It is difficult to do the right thing, to stand up to the bully, but i am sure many are (silently) in your debt. Your wife should be proud of you.

A few friends have moved their children to a small private school over the past few years, now following O level sylabus.
One child was doing well at Lick Hung and continues to do well, seems to me she would do well regardless of the teacher.
Another child had to struggle to stay around average at Lick Hung, always came home miserable, hours of homework did nothing to improve results. Now at the new school, no homework, complete change of attitude and outlook on schoolwork and best of all way above average results and even top of the class in a few subjects.

[sydneymak]

[QUOTE=sydneymak;537755]Most of the children love to see their daddy mummy to go to school to collect their report cards. Unlike secondary school teenagers. So, if the school can consider this psychological element in the education system, you are really a good.educator.责无旁贷。[/QUOT

Sorry...i always cant get myself very clear in writing. I mean, if school or any education institution, before implementing any policy or make any announcement, think from the perspective of psychological of a innocent child, that is a good intitution which is led by true educator

[nescafeADay]

It is difficult to do the right thing, to stand up to the bully, but i am sure many are (silently) in your debt. Your wife should be proud of you.

A few friends have moved their children to a small private school over the past few years, now following O level sylabus.
One child was doing well at Lick Hung and continues to do well, seems to me she would do well regardless of the teacher.
Another child had to struggle to stay around average at Lick Hung, always came home miserable, hours of homework did nothing to improve results. Now at the new school, no homework, complete change of attitude and outlook on schoolwork and best of all way above average results and even top of the class in a few subjects.

Ya, my marginal target is: my girls can stay around average at the very least, until Secondary, and able to enter college/foreign university here. If they can do better than that, get a scholarship, enlighten my burden, that will be a bonus. Now working hard saving for their education fund. Private secondary school is quite impossible now, still a very very long way to go. Worse come to worse, Home School may be... No confident on government secondary school now. But then , I will be totally stressed out as I have to do all this alone. ... Will see how..

And THANK Q Currymee. Same here, your wife should be proud of you :)

[currymee]

Hiliary and nescafeADay,

Noted and thanks :)

What concerned me yesterday was that my wife who knows me well, after reading the posts got the impression that I was a "trouble maker" for the school. So you can imagine that other readers (including the school members like teachers , HM and PIBG AJK) who doesn't know me at all, may have an even more negative impression :eek:.

While I am not too bothered by what others think of me personally :p, I was concerned that because of the MESSENGER (i.e. currymee), the MESSAGE (points, issues etc ) WAS LOST & IGNORED :eek: - that will be a tragedy indeed :( .

As I have said before, I wish for this thread and sub-forum to be closed as it will mean the Lick Hung school is running "PERFECTLY" to the satisfaction of all parents. The raison d'etre of this thread is because as a parent, I think there is a lot room for Lick Hung to improve itself beyond just scoring "A"s in UPSR.

Ideally the PIBG is the proper channel to go through but for parents that have been to the AGM, we can see that it is more of a rubber-stamp tool of the school management than a channel representing the parents. Thus it is non-functioning in representing the parents.

BTW, I have also decided to boycott all future PIBG AGMs since the school HM has got a "choke-to-death-hold" on the composition of the PIBG AJK via his teachers' block vote (140 votes). I have got a lot feedbacks on the recent AGM and nothing changes :(. So, no need to waste my Sundays any more, better to wash my car instead, at least I can wash off the dirt :D !

[Rhiga]

[B]...
She said she is worried that our son could be "singled-out" for special treatment by the school teachers if they find out. So, I have been told to back off from criticising the school. She said after reading the forum that I was so stupid to be vocal while other parents just keep quiet while I "fight" for the RIGHT THINGS, THE RIGHT WAY FOR THE RIGHT REASON and they also enjoy the benefits but looks good in the eyes of the school. Currymee is the "trouble-maker" and "problem" parent.

I told her off that it is this sort of thinking that the school management uses to cower and "bully" all the parents and everyone is hoping the next person will do the "fighting" for them.

I told her that if they dare to touch a hair of his head, I will sue the school management, PIBG AJK and the teachers till Kingdom come !!

:(


Bro, rest assure you are not alone..

I think you are aware that my reply to onewira on Wed has been removed by Chang..!!
Well, he is the Moderator and I am not going to dispute his prerogative and decision..

Just to let you know that IF the school initiates any hostile response to your posts which is incorrect and not professional, please PM me..

I have no problem to face them with the available avenue as permitted by Law.

[Totoro2010]

Advised to say "LESS NEGATIVE" things :o

....My wife read what I had written this whole morning and she was not happy that I gave the impression that I am a "trouble-maker" for the school esp after one of the teachers had replied :eek: :eek:

She said she is worried that our son could be "singled-out" for special treatment by the school teachers if they find out. So, I have been told to back off from criticising the school. She said after reading the forum that I was so stupid to be vocal while other parents just keep quiet while I "fight" for the RIGHT THINGS, THE RIGHT WAY FOR THE RIGHT REASON and they also enjoy the benefits but looks good in the eyes of the school. Currymee is the "trouble-maker" and "problem" parent....

Bro CM, you are not alone...I "十扑你“(support you) :)

[currymee]

Rhiga and Totoro,

Bros, thanks for the support :) but I hope never to have to go down that "confrontational" path.

As I have said, I hope the MESSAGES are not lost & ignored just because I "delivered" them.

Just to share, I had an email exchange with a parent regarding the tuition just now. She highlighted that the school is doing a good thing to provide tuition at a subsidised rate compared to the tuition centres around LH. I replied that I do not question the MOTIVES of the school in helping the children that needed its help. So, please don't misunderstand. :)

I just ask for parents to be given an OPTION to opt out instead of making the tuition compulsary for parents who believe in better and more effective tuition outside or those that home-school like myself. TIME is a precious and limited commodity. Let us choose how we like to maximise it for our children. The school can provide an alternative choice but should not be made compulsary.

[kwchang]

...I just ask for parents to be given an OPTION to opt out instead of making the tuition compulsary for parents... should not be made compulsary.

As a parent of 2 kids who had the benefit of being in the LickHung alumni, both of my children went through the "compulsory" tuition. I do not know how it is now but then, the students had incremental tuition hours starting from Std.4 till the maximum allocation for Std.6. It was a good approach to get the students to ease into the grind. As I understood it, that was designed to prepare the kids for the Std.6 exams.

This could be viewed as the legendary vernacular schools' method of churning out results. It could be construed as being overly exam performance centric but nonetheless, it was an effective formula to get the kids tuned for the ultimate primary school finals. Coming from a banana family like mine, my kids did exceptionally well in the finals - thanks to this "tuition" program. The exams became a 'piece of cake' for most of the students and hence you can see why LH is so sought after because they give results.

Well, there are always counter views to this perspective but in the final tally, most of the parents appreciated this (including myself) because we felt that was why we chose LH. As for a more rounded (and less rote-learning) approaches, they do get that in the secondary school curriculum ... for eg, my son benefited very much from co-curricular activities in SMK USJ12 where he developed his own thinking and critique skills. Other parents with deeper pockets sent their kids to private schools (there are a number of private vernacular schools to choose from in the Klang Valley).

[Rhiga]

As a parent of 2 kids who had the benefit of being in the LickHung alumni, both of my children went through the "compulsory" tuition. I do not know how it is now but then, the students had incremental tuition hours starting from Std.4 till the maximum allocation for Std.6. It was a good approach to get the students to ease into the grind. As I understood it, that was designed to prepare the kids for the Std.6 exams.

This could be viewed as the legendary vernacular schools' method of churning out results. It could be construed as being overly exam performance centric but nonetheless, it was an effective formula to get the kids tuned for the ultimate primary school finals. Coming from a banana family like mine, my kids did exceptionally well in the finals - thanks to this "tuition" program. The exams became a 'piece of cake' for most of the students and hence you can see why LH is so sought after because they give results.

Well, there are always counter views to this perspective but in the final tally, most of the parents appreciated this (including myself) because we felt that was why we chose LH. As for a more rounded (and less rote-learning) approaches, they do get that in the secondary school curriculum ... for eg, my son benefited very much from co-curricular activities in SMK USJ12 where he developed his own thinking and critique skills. Other parents with deeper pockets sent their kids to private schools (there are a number of private vernacular schools to choose from in the Klang Valley).

I think Currymee has clearly stated that he is not against the after-school tuition.
His request is simple – the tuition should be optional, not compulsory.

I agree with him.

Personally, I strongly think the tuition should be optional because:

1. I am confident my kid does not not need the tuition to deliver the school’s UPSR expectation.
2. I don't think UPSR result is so important that I want my kid to study in a primary school from 7.30am – 4pm.

This is a Chinese-medium primary level school with parents from different background - Chinese education background, English-education background, full-time mum/dad at home, working parents, etc. Each have different priority, emphasis and constraints in preparing their kids in the primary level.

Providing after-school tuition to help students in academic performance is a noble idea and when conducted correctly, it is an excellent approach. The school can conduct the tuition after school or even in weekend whenever they deem fit, but it should be optional.

This is a basic respect to the diverse background of parents in the school.

[jan tomaswaki]

I also agree that tution is optional so is Sat. class for yr 6 .I have observe what's happennings in these trend .I fully agree with CM and Rhiga.Onewira shouldn't just tell CM if you don't like this school they will assist him to transfer his child to other school.Bear in mind that this is not your grandfather school but a Gomen school,if you don't like CM maybe you too can transfer too.This trend in just to "gossip" things happenings in L/H.Has any forummer seen the PIBG commitees engage a dialogue with the parents on how to make the school even better and better.The school must ask themself why it was so difficult to raise the last RM500K and why the UPSR results keep dropping?

[kwchang]

Just in case that the teachers and HM of the school thinks that they are being pushed to a corner here, I refer to how CM started this thread with his comments in post #1 -
...This thread is not meant to be a channel for BASHING or WALLOPING the school, management or PIBG but to share info, raise issues, Q&A and other matters of concern to us as parents, and if necessary, we will collate them to be addressed in future PIBG - the official channel for us to discuss... Taken positively, this is a good and informal sounding board from which the school authorities can gauge the sentiments of the parents (the school's clients). I would take this thread positively rather than being threatening. It also gives a lot of room for saving face if the school take steps to positively engage the parents without any face-to-face confrontation.

CM need not apologise for this thread. He has done a good job.

[currymee]

Jan and KW,

When I started the thread all those years ago, I did not know that the PIBG was non-functioning as a parent's voice and channel :eek:. I was new, innocent, first-time, "virgin school parent" and naive to school politics but I learned FAST !! Needless to say, I was very disappointed to learn later on about the REAL TRUTH of Lick Hung PIBG AJK. Since then, I realised that the only way to "engage and talk" to the PIBG AJK is via an OPEN PUBLIC DISCUSSION here as I know that the PIBG AJK, HM and school teachers monitor the thread and discussions here closely.

During each AGM, the HM keeps on telling the parents to email him but not many dared to do so for fear (real or perceived :confused: ) of victimisation of their children later on. I heard this being mentioned regularly on the five-foot ways and coffeeshops around Lick Hung. Parents were advising each other not to be crazy to talk to the school teachers and HM or else the children will suffer !! :eek: SO SAD !!!

FYI, one of the feedbacks that I got from parents who attended the recent PIBG AGM was that one member of the PIBG AJK told a parent that asked many questions about the upcoming single-session hours that if any parents got any "problems" with the school, the matter can be easily resolved by filling in the student transfer form :eek: :mad:. I was told that parents who heard this statement during the AGM were seething and fuming mad but none openly said anything. After that, many parents decided to keep mum and stop themselves from engaging any further discussion. (Note: I guess now I know where "onewira" got the idea and courage from :rolleyes: to ask me to consider transfering my son out ! )

The PIBG AJK apparently was so proud of the HPS (High Performance Status) that gives the school some degree of autonomy which includes the transfer of students that they are using this provision to "silence" any dissenting voice and differing opinions. When I heard this, I just shook my head in sadness :(

As for this thread, I also have got a lot of feedback that it is viewed as "dangerous and threatening" to the school's authorities' reputation. Well, all I can say is that if you are doing the right things, the right way for the right reason, you have nothing to fear ! ;) - sounds like a better motto than "to perform, to lead, to be the best" :p

Then again, I was also informed, the same thing/mess is happening in ALL SJKCs except here in SJ/USJ, "POOR UNLUCKY" Lick Hung school management has got an online forum talking about them - hahahahahahaaaa .... :D

[currymee]

Ok, enough from me about the HM, teachers and PIBG AJK, I got an EXAM ;) COMING UP IN NEXT 2 WEEKS TIME and still got NO PAST PAPERS - HELP !!!! :eek:

[fongkimseng]

When I read currymee's last few posts, I cannot help but to smile. I have to give him credit for trying even though his chances of succeeding is virtually nil. He is also a slow learner of SJKC politics :rolleyes:. Why do I say that?

I hope by now, after 3 years, currymee would have realised and understood that the school HM and members of the school PIBG committee are old-style Chinese educated teachers, Chinese style businessmen and MCA-type politicians. For those who are familiar with and went through the SJKC education system, one of the key values that are drilled into the children and stayed with them until they are old, is that one should never question or make the elders lose face.

Unfortunately, currymee has not learned this vital lesson from the last round of discussions on PIBG issues. I don't blame him as I know he is sincere in wanting to improve the school and his suggestions and ideas are some of the better ones. From what I have read of his posts in various threads, his approach reflects his English education and thinking which is more open, outspoken, liberal and confrontational. This is an almost direct contrast to the HM and PIBG committee members' education and "Chinese" political style of doing things.

Therefore, it does not surprise me one little bit if all his good intentioned messages and requests to the school management and PIBG committee were not only ignored but treated with disdain. As far as these gentlemen and ladies running Lick Hung were concerned, currymee has shown them great disrespect and cause them a great loss of face. Any acknowledgement and acceptance of his ideas and requests will be seen as a "loss of face and prestige" to them. That is a shame but that is the sad truth and reality.

This was what I had advised currymee in the past and now I am repeating again :(

Currymee, please read your emails. I have emailed you a few reading materials.

[Rhiga]

...I hope by now, after 3 years, currymee would have realised and understood that the school HM and members of the school PIBG committee are old-style Chinese educated teachers, Chinese style businessmen and MCA-type politicians. For those who are familiar with and went through the SJKC education system, one of the key values that are drilled into the children and stayed with them until they are old, is that one should never question or make the elders lose face.

Unfortunately, currymee has not learned this vital lesson from the last round of discussions on PIBG issues. I don't blame him as I know he is sincere in wanting to improve the school and his suggestions and ideas are some of the better ones. From what I have read of his posts in various threads, his approach reflects his English education and thinking which is more open, outspoken, liberal and confrontational. This is an almost direct contrast to the HM and PIBG committee members' education and "Chinese" political style of doing things.

Therefore, it does not surprise me one little bit if all his good intentioned messages and requests to the school management and PIBG committee were not only ignored but treated with disdain. As far as these gentlemen and ladies running Lick Hung were concerned, currymee has shown them great disrespect and cause them a great loss of face. Any acknowledgement and acceptance of his ideas and requests will be seen as a "loss of face and prestige" to them. That is a shame but that is the sad truth and reality.



Fong,

I am also from 'old-styled Chinese education' and I think I probably older than many of those in the LH PIBG committee including the HM !!

Anywhere, I understand where are you coming from and I think you are close to the underlying cause.

There is always a key 'universal' reason for such defensive attitude !!

But I think I should not say it in a public forum.

[currymee]

When I read currymee's last few posts, I cannot help but to smile. I have to give him credit for trying even though his chances of succeeding is virtually nil. He is also a slow learner of SJKC politics :rolleyes:. Why do I say that?

I hope by now, after 3 years, currymee would have realised and understood that the school HM and members of the school PIBG committee are old-style Chinese educated teachers, Chinese style businessmen and MCA-type politicians. For those who are familiar with and went through the SJKC education system, one of the key values that are drilled into the children and stayed with them until they are old, is that one should never question or make the elders lose face.

Unfortunately, currymee has not learned this vital lesson from the last round of discussions on PIBG issues. I don't blame him as I know he is sincere in wanting to improve the school and his suggestions and ideas are some of the better ones. From what I have read of his posts in various threads, his approach reflects his English education and thinking which is more open, outspoken, liberal and confrontational. This is an almost direct contrast to the HM and PIBG committee members' education and "Chinese" political style of doing things.

Therefore, it does not surprise me one little bit if all his good intentioned messages and requests to the school management and PIBG committee were not only ignored but treated with disdain. As far as these gentlemen and ladies running Lick Hung were concerned, currymee has shown them great disrespect and cause them a great loss of face. Any acknowledgement and acceptance of his ideas and requests will be seen as a "loss of face and prestige" to them. That is a shame but that is the sad truth and reality.

This was what I had advised currymee in the past and now I am repeating again :(

Currymee, please read your emails. I have emailed you a few reading materials.

Advices noted and reading materials read. Thank you :)

I understand your strategy and approach now.

[currymee]

reminder - today !!!

Time for me to go and collect the report card, the traffic jam is easing a bit now !!!! :D


report card collection on monday (2nd april 2012)

date: Monday, 2nd april 2012
time: 8:30 - 9:00 am or 11:30 - 12:00 noon (i hope my blur sotong son jotted down correctly ! :p )

announcement made by hm to the morning session.

If you need to take leave, please apply.

[currymee]

KAUTIM, DONE, report card taken , settled - teacher asked what are my plans to help my son to improve his BC performance ? I said let him watch more TVB and Astro Wah Lai Toi (in Mandarin, of course :D )

She got a stunned look but I said, his BM improved because of Astro Ceria and English improved because of Cartoon Network, so ..... :rolleyes: and I said it with a STRAIGHT SERIOUS FACE !!

Hehehee .... I wonder what the teacher must be thinking of me .... :p

[Mommy]

KAUTIM, DONE, report card taken , settled - teacher asked what are my plans to help my son to improve his BC performance ? I said let him watch more TVB and Astro Wah Lai Toi (in Mandarin, of course :D )

She got a stunned look but I said, his BM improved because of Astro Ceria and English improved because of Cartoon Network, so ..... :rolleyes: and I said it with a STRAIGHT SERIOUS FACE !!

Hehehee .... I wonder what the teacher must be thinking of me .... :p

now I start to worry. My son's class teacher said his result still ok and didnt ask how to improve his BC. O My, I think I better do myself :(

[currymee]

Hahahaa :D (I laugh in bewilderment !!) .... a father just related to me earlier the meeting he had with his daughter's class teacher on her performance in last exam early this morning.

He said he asked the teacher about her daughter's overall performance, the teacher glanced at her results and remarked, "It is normal for all of them to drop in Std 3 and 4 and usually all will pick up again by Std 5 and 6 just before UPSR" :eek: I asked what kind of an answer is that ? :confused:. He said he was also too shocked to reply and just nodded. :p

Aiyiyo .... don't tell me the kids are going to continue getting "slaughtered" in the exams :eek: ... they will be totally demoralised come Std 6 !!!

[Joe Lee]

hi, is the std 1 pass exam paper available here?
my daughter is having her first exam soon and we're new to the school exam system.
how is it going to be like?

[currymee]

hi, is the std 1 pass exam paper available here?
my daughter is having her first exam soon and we're new to the school exam system.
how is it going to be like?

For Std 1, just set a reasonable target above 85% or 90% for every subject. That should be achievable by most students. In fact, a lot of them will be whacking in 95% + for Std 1, so don't freak out. One boy in my son's calss in Std 1 used to score 100% for all subjects :eek:, so go figure, even in Std 3, now all above 90% !! :rolleyes: It is all down to how you set up your expectations and targets for your child.

As for past papers, please note that your child is doing the KSSR syllabus for Std 1. Unfortunately, I don't have any KSSR papers, only the old KBSR syllabus. PM me your email, and I will email you whatever I have got for Std 1.

[Totoro2010]

:eek: It is less than 2 weeks for 2nd Exam, we still don't get the past year papers :o

[Mommy]

:eek: It is less than 2 weeks for 2nd Exam, we still don't get the past year papers :o

Use their current exercise as a guide until we get the papers. In fact, notice in Std 3, exams questions is not exactly the same as in exercise even for bina ayat (BC & BM) and particularly karangan.

[currymee]

:eek: It is less than 2 weeks for 2nd Exam, we still don't get the past year papers :o

One mum (ctb - with thanks) :) has emailed BC Pemahaman paper but the other papers nothing to date.

I got 2 mums :) searching and they said, hopefully (!!!!) by this weekend, a few more papers .... :) It is going to be very very close .... fingers crossed

[sewlover]

hi, is the std 1 pass exam paper available here?
my daughter is having her first exam soon and we're new to the school exam system.
how is it going to be like?
My son's first time also...I am trying to get the pass year paper from my friend, her son in std2 this year...will let you know once I got it.

I have been giving my son some DST activity book to practise and found out he totally couldn't answer computer related questions! He can't understand the questions and answers cos quite hard. He can only read simple Chinese cos he couldn't read nor write until Dec last year. Tough! :-(

[fRaNkY]

KAUTIM, DONE, report card taken , settled - teacher asked what are my plans to help my son to improve his BC performance ? I said let him watch more TVB and Astro Wah Lai Toi (in Mandarin, of course :D )

She got a stunned look but I said, his BM improved because of Astro Ceria and English improved because of Cartoon Network, so ..... :rolleyes: and I said it with a STRAIGHT SERIOUS FACE !!

Hehehee .... I wonder what the teacher must be thinking of me .... :p

Good one! And lao fu tse comic...

[fRaNkY]

Hahahaa :D (I laugh in bewilderment !!) .... a father just related to me earlier the meeting he had with his daughter's class teacher on her performance in last exam early this morning.

He said he asked the teacher about her daughter's overall performance, the teacher glanced at her results and remarked, "It is normal for all of them to drop in Std 3 and 4 and usually all will pick up again by Std 5 and 6 just before UPSR" :eek: I asked what kind of an answer is that ? :confused:. He said he was also too shocked to reply and just nodded. :p

Aiyiyo .... don't tell me the kids are going to continue getting "slaughtered" in the exams :eek: ... they will be totally demoralised come Std 6 !!!

Kinda truth too, while daughter doesnt get straight A in std 3 to 5, i was surprise she done pretty well this time. Son already asked for his ninjago and beyblades toys before monday.

Might hv to source lao fu tze for son than reading ben 10 :D

[johndoe]

For KSSR (Year 1 and Year 2), now is using Penilaian Berasaskan Sekolah (PBS), there are something like instrument or latihan for teachers to test the students. This instruments are created by the school teachers themselves. You could find the examples of the instruments from the following link:

http://cid-9aab543f95409c51.office.live.com/browse.aspx/KSSR

[HTH]

Not sure whether this has been posted before, but you could check the exam results for primary students Std 3 and above in this website:
http://saps.moe.gov.my/ibubapa2/index.php

I checked my daughter's, the position in class is different from her report card. The marks are correct.

[birdy]

Not sure whether this has been posted before, but you could check the exam results for primary students Std 3 and above in this website:
http://saps.moe.gov.my/ibubapa2/index.php

I checked my daughter's, the position in class is different from her report card. The marks are correct.
Thanks for the sharing... I didn't know we can check the marks online now. This is definitely useful website.

[currymee]

Not sure whether this has been posted before, but you could check the exam results for primary students Std 3 and above in this website:
http://saps.moe.gov.my/ibubapa2/index.php

I checked my daughter's, the position in class is different from her report card. The marks are correct.

I found out the reason after sitting down for teh-tarik with my kawan-kawan from JPN during a kenduri.

In the SAPS system, class/standard position are calculated based follwoing criteria:

1) All "A"s first before 6A1B, 5A2B etc ....
2) Then percentage ranking between the all "A"s and subsequent groups/batches.

In Lick Hung ranking system, PURELY by percentage points. So, there is a possibility (actually happened to my son!!) that the student may get a high position in LH (due to high percentage point) but ranked lower due to a high "B" or a "C" compared to another student, who may get all "A" and at a lower percentage point.

NOTE: I expect that soon, all students in Selangor may have to follow the SAPS ranking system rather than the current percentage point only.

[nescafeADay]

For KSSR (Year 1 and Year 2), now is using Penilaian Berasaskan Sekolah (PBS), there are something like instrument or latihan for teachers to test the students. This instruments are created by the school teachers themselves. You could find the examples of the instruments from the following link:

http://cid-9aab543f95409c51.office.live.com/browse.aspx/KSSR

Thanks for sharing. My daughter got the exam scope for Std 1 and I check the BC scope, very similar to what is posted in the site you gave. There is one part, teacher will read the words and students to circle the correct words teacher recite.

Thanks again.

[Busy Mom]

My son's first time also...I am trying to get the pass year paper from my friend, her son in std2 this year...will let you know once I got it.

I have been giving my son some DST activity book to practise and found out he totally couldn't answer computer related questions! He can't understand the questions and answers cos quite hard. He can only read simple Chinese cos he couldn't read nor write until Dec last year. Tough! :-(
Hi sewlover,
Would like to find out from u which DST activity books u get for your son to practice? I totally 'neglect' science and also pendidikan moral subjects. All this while only concentrate on the core subjects like BC,BI,BM & Maths.

I'm also looking out for pass year paper for std 1 and so far not very successful.

[Rhiga]

Not sure whether this has been posted before, but you could check the exam results for primary students Std 3 and above in this website:
http://saps.moe.gov.my/ibubapa2/index.php

I checked my daughter's, the position in class is different from her report card. The marks are correct.

This link was posted by a forumer last year and many have discussed the plus and minus of info shown by this link..

Depend on what the parents want, the info can be an encouragement or can be heart-breaking to the kid !!

LH is a very competitive school in relative academic performance among the students i.e. the difference between the students can be very small as far as marks is concerned, but the relative difference in overall positions can be unbelievably huge..

As I mentioned before (you can checked my previous posts in this thread) – the info contains in this web is useful for parents to understand the performance of their kid and the performance of the kid’s class relative to other students and other classes, that's all.

The info is not a good gauge for academic performance due to the shear size of students or to be more precise the shear size of high-achieving students..

To me, the school report card is good enough as a gauge to know how the kid is doing in school.

[Rhiga]

I found out the reason after sitting down for teh-tarik with my kawan-kawan from JPN during a kenduri.

In the SAPS system, class/standard position are calculated based follwoing criteria:

1) All "A"s first before 6A1B, 5A2B etc ....
2) Then percentage ranking between the all "A"s and subsequent groups/batches.

In Lick Hung ranking system, PURELY by percentage points. So, there is a possibility (actually happened to my son!!) that the student may get a high position in LH (due to high percentage point) but ranked lower due to a high "B" or a "C" compared to another student, who may get all "A" and at a lower percentage point.



Bro, absolutely correct... the class and overall position is based on numbers of A first... then only the marks.

[currymee]

Bro,

Further to what you have mentioned below, I hope that the parents in LH understand the concept and importance of studying for the LONG TERM rather than just "aceing" the Lick Hung exams. It is important to build the children's mastery of the languages as early as possible beyond the LH exams. This is because the standard of BM and English (in particular) in SJKCs (including LH) are SO LOW that it is almost next to "useless" in the real world later on.

Just remember from the comparison I made in previous years between Malaysian and Singaporean English syllabuses, we are 3-4 years behind in terms of depth, vocabulary etc .... FRIGHTENING HOW MUCH WE HAVE DETERIORATED. there is no other way but to teach our children ourselves to overcome this "handicap". So doing well in LH exams may be meaningless/relative after all ... except for BC, Maths and Science - where LH standard is ABOVE everyone else !! :eek:


This link was posted by a forumer last year and many have discussed the plus and minus of info shown by this link..

Depend on what the parents want, the info can be an encouragement or can be heart-breaking to the kid !!

LH is a very competitive school in relative academic performance among the students i.e. the difference between the students can be very small as far as marks is concerned, by the relative difference in overall positions can be unbelievably huge..

As I mentioned before (you can checked my previous posts in this thread) – the info contains in this web is useful for parents to understand the performance of their kid and the performance of the kid’s class relative to other students and other classes, that's all.

The info is not a good gauge for academic performance due to the shear size of students or to be more precise the shear size of high-achieving students..

To me, the school report card is good enough as a gauge to know how the kid is doing in school.

[Totoro2010]

I am suprising that the scope of exam not yet issued, it is very near the 2nd exam liao :confused:

or

Is that no more scope of exam issued starting now:rolleyes:

[HTH]

Anyone bought the 2011 SRJKC Lick Hung CD - Greenbook Malaysia? Any idea what's inside?

I tried installing and it crashed both my PCs, now my PCs cannot even start, blue screen. Anyone has the same problem?

[Mommy]

I am suprising that the scope of exam not yet issued, it is very near the 2nd exam liao :confused:

or

Is that no more scope of exam issued starting now:rolleyes:

the Std 3 exam scope was out last Friday. Unfortunately, i dont have a copy in office to upload it.

[currymee]

I am suprising that the scope of exam not yet issued, it is very near the 2nd exam liao :confused:

or

Is that no more scope of exam issued starting now:rolleyes:


the Std 3 exam scope was out last Friday. Unfortunately, i dont have a copy in office to upload it.

Hahaha .... thanks for reminding, I have got everything ready to put online but completely forgotten after reading Cikgu Fong's PIBG comment ;)

[currymee]

Std 3 Exam 1/2 2012
http://i754.photobucket.com/albums/xx189/currymee/ExamScope1-2.jpg

[currymee]

Past Year Papers Std 3

Please PM me your email address or email to me: currymee88@gmail.com They are 2011 papers and some 2010 papers.

I have got bits and pieces (some subjects missing) and most of them still got answers, so you will have to tidy up individually since we are in a RUSH NOW and I got some of the papers late this time, no enough time to tidy up for everyone. This 1/2 exam is way TOO CLOSE !!

The good news is I also got exam 2/1 papers too - so we should be ok in July !! :D

[Totoro2010]

the Std 3 exam scope was out last Friday. Unfortunately, i dont have a copy in office to upload it.

Oh...seems my blur sotong "blur" again :o

[Totoro2010]

Std 3 Exam 1/2 2012
http://i754.photobucket.com/albums/xx189/currymee/ExamScope1-2.jpg

CM, thank you for posting the scope of exam :)

[currymee]

Anyone bought the 2011 SRJKC Lick Hung CD - Greenbook Malaysia? Any idea what's inside?

I tried installing and it crashed both my PCs, now my PCs cannot even start, blue screen. Anyone has the same problem?

What is the CD ? Is it only available for the Upper Stds ? :confused: I have not seen or heard about it until now. :o

[Totoro2010]

Past Year Papers Std 3

Please PM me your email address or email to me: currymee88@gmail.com They are 2011 papers and some 2010 papers.

I have got bits and pieces (some subjects missing) and most of them still got answers, so you will have to tidy up individually since we are in a RUSH NOW and I got some of the papers late this time, no enough time to tidy up for everyone. This 1/2 exam is way TOO CLOSE !!

The good news is I also got exam 2/1 papers too - so we should be ok in July !! :D

PM you already, thanks :)

[currymee]

I got one "funny" mum (probably a teacher) PM me asking where I got the papers from and whether am I breaking the law by distributing LH's intellectual property (past papers) without the school written consent ? :eek:

Errrrrrrrrrrrrrr :confused: ...... I got my sources from dads and moms with kids in the TUITION CENTRES around LH, staffed by LH teachers, so go and sue them first for "leaking" the papers to the centres first, boleh .... :rolleyes: :p

[currymee]

MONEY-GENERATING IDEA for PIBG AJK - Sell Past Year Papers

Since it will be a win-win for ALL parties, I think the PIBG AJK should propose to the school management to OFFICIALLY sell Lick Hung's past year papers (just last 2 or 3 years will do - eg for 2012 academic year - just sell in a booklet form - 2010 and 2011 papers with model answers).

This will help the students to revise tremendously and even out the PLAYING FIELD for all students - after all, it is to help the students to practise the exam format and "feel" of the exams rather than spotting repeat questions. So, I don't see any reasons not to do so and it can be a good source of income for the PIBG :D

So to all the "businessmen" in LH, do think about it ....

PS: You will also put "currymee" out-of-business .... good added bonus huh !!

[nescafeADay]

Bro,

Further to what you have mentioned below, I hope that the parents in LH understand the concept and importance of studying for the LONG TERM rather than just "aceing" the Lick Hung exams. It is important to build the children's mastery of the languages as early as possible beyond the LH exams. This is because the standard of BM and English (in particular) in SJKCs (including LH) are SO LOW that it is almost next to "useless" in the real world later on.



Ooo.. is SK English better than SJKC ? My understanding is All Malaysia schools English are as bad... sigh ...

[akiyoshi]

What is the CD ? Is it only available for the Upper Stds ? :confused: I have not seen or heard about it until now. :o

You will be glad that u didn't buy it. Costed me RM15 upon succumbing to pleas from my kid. He was under the impression that the CD was something a Lick Hung student would be proud to have so we eagerly viewed it on the computer.

What a disappointment ! Just a long list of flash files, each lasting about not more than 2 mins at most, more like home video snippets from some mix and match of school performance, some totally out of tune, dance, sports, upsr announcements, "words of thanks" from some individuals of last year's STD 6 students, I suppose....with a lot of background noise, not the type that you normally get when u buy the Tadika concert done by professionals.

After 5mins, we chucked it away, not bothered to look for gems. And honestly, I think this "sales strategy" backfires. From now on, don't think anyone can entice him to buy anything produced by Lick Hung no matter how fantastic the marketing is. Truly, a pure mind learnt about a "con" product. We felt thoroughly cheated even though we meant to support the school.

[rachel sj]

I got one "funny" mum (probably a teacher) PM me asking where I got the papers from and whether am I breaking the law by distributing LH's intellectual property (past papers) without the school written consent ? :eek:

Errrrrrrrrrrrrrr :confused: ...... I got my sources from dads and moms with kids in the TUITION CENTRES around LH, staffed by LH teachers, so go and sue them first for "leaking" the papers to the centres first, boleh .... :rolleyes: :p


Hi currymee,

I agree with you most likely that comes from a teacher from the pressure-cooker school. There is no issue of IP infriengement as there is no commercial gains by you. As you have rightly pointed out, those tuition centers as well as LH teachers who give private tuition at home who distribute past year papers without consent from the school are those that breach the IP laws !

[akiyoshi]

Anyone bought the 2011 SRJKC Lick Hung CD - Greenbook Malaysia? Any idea what's inside?

I tried installing and it crashed both my PCs, now my PCs cannot even start, blue screen. Anyone has the same problem?
Oh, luckily I didn't run the setup.exe. Just list up the files and most were macromedia flash so viewed some randomly.

[fRaNkY]

I got one "funny" mum (probably a teacher) PM me asking where I got the papers from and whether am I breaking the law by distributing LH's intellectual property (past papers) without the school written consent ? :eek:

Errrrrrrrrrrrrrr :confused: ...... I got my sources from dads and moms with kids in the TUITION CENTRES around LH, staffed by LH teachers, so go and sue them first for "leaking" the papers to the centres first, boleh .... :rolleyes: :p

There is no copyright statement written on it and you do not profit out of it. In fact it is for education purposes :D

At least they have to make new ones every test else everyone get 100% korek memorizing the answer. What some of the question the teacher copied from magazine or books? :D

This issue hv not arise so no issue yet.

[currymee]

There is no copyright statement written on it and you do not profit out of it. In fact it is for education purposes :D

At least they have to make new ones every test else everyone get 100% korek memorizing the answer. What some of the question the teacher copied from magazine or books? :D

This issue hv not arise so no issue yet.


Hi currymee,

I agree with you most likely that comes from a teacher from the pressure-cooker school. There is no issue of IP infriengement as there is no commercial gains by you. As you have rightly pointed out, those tuition centers as well as LH teachers who give private tuition at home who distribute past year papers without consent from the school are those that breach the IP laws !

Phew, so glad to hear that ... I must admit that she got me worried for a moment :D And I was thinking of going "underground" as an alternative route ;)

[johndoe]

Thanks for sharing. My daughter got the exam scope for Std 1 and I check the BC scope, very similar to what is posted in the site you gave. There is one part, teacher will read the words and students to circle the correct words teacher recite.

Thanks again.

Above link has a lot of information about sjkc school teaching, for instance you could download the KSSR year 1 and year 2 text book powerpoint teaching aids created by the teachers, then you could use the computer to teach your kids at home.

And not forgetting to mention also for other subjects as well.......

Some other group about KSSR is facebook KSSR group:
http://www.facebook.com/groups/kssrgroup/
above link is for all the teachers teaching KSSR discuss about the matter regarding KSSR.

KSSR Bahasa Cina
http://www.facebook.com/groups/kssbc/

KSSR online:
http://www.facebook.com/pages/KSSROnlinecom/

http://www.kssronline.com/

[currymee]

New Block Construction -Progress !!

I "kaypoh" a bit and took the opportunity during the report card collection session to grab a sneak peek at the construction of the new block from both ground and elevated levels (hehehee :D ... since parents can "walk around" that morning, so I pretend to be a Std 5/6 parent and went up to the 2nd floor lor :rolleyes: !!)

I must say that it is fast ;), they are ALL done with the 1st and 2nd floor classes (minus touch up and interior) and was doing the 3rd floor classroom walls and starting to build the roof beams for the 4th floor. WOW !!

At the present rate, I think June/July is a REAL POSSIBLE TARGET with single-session starting by next term. One parent who saw me "kaypoh" came over and told me that the building may be up BUT not enough money, according to HM at PIBG AGM which she attended, to furnish it with table, chairs etc .... She said be ready for another round of donation request soon. Then I asked her, I saw the PIBG account, there is RM300K surplus, what is that for, if not for situation like this ? Most SJKC PIBGs don't have such a huge surplus - around RM10-20K already fatt-tatt liow !! She joked, "You don't know meh, go annual holiday to China :p !!" She laughed, winked and smiled ... hmmmm, this Std 6 mum must know something I do not leh .... :confused:

[HTH]

Oh, luckily I didn't run the setup.exe. Just list up the files and most were macromedia flash so viewed some randomly.

Pls don't run the setup.exe. On the first old computer I tried, I was thinking because the crash was due to the computer failure. But when I tried on a newer computer, the same thing happened. Something must be wrong, probably a virus. The CD will autorun (if it is enabled in your PC), so pls be careful.

[currymee]

Parents that got the Std 3 past papers - I do recommend that you let your children try the MATHS paper ASAP. It is an eye opener, not because it is difficult but very tricky, so you may want to "expose" your child to the format and sneakiness asap - just my 2 cents.

[sydneymak]

KAUTIM, DONE, report card taken , settled - teacher asked what are my plans to help my son to improve his BC performance ? I said let him watch more TVB and Astro Wah Lai Toi (in Mandarin, of course :D )

She got a stunned look but I said, his BM improved because of Astro Ceria and English improved because of Cartoon Network, so ..... :rolleyes: and I said it with a STRAIGHT SERIOUS FACE !!

Hehehee .... I wonder what the teacher must be thinking of me .... :p

Somehow or rather i agree with your approach. Why dun you try astro xiao tai yang.....325. If you want ur son to learn proper chinese, make sure u turn on the chinese subtitle....... listen to news.....

[sydneymak]

Hi sewlover,
Would like to find out from u which DST activity books u get for your son to practice? I totally 'neglect' science and also pendidikan moral subjects. All this while only concentrate on the core subjects like BC,BI,BM & Maths.

I'm also looking out for pass year paper for std 1 and so far not very successful.

Did you buy the monthly workbook by the same publisher as 3m magazine.....that is the workbook that my girl is using....quite good

[nescafeADay]

Did you buy the monthly workbook by the same publisher as 3m magazine.....that is the workbook that my girl is using....quite good

Ya. My girl uses that also. Agree. Quite good. And for Moral, I use the one from Hup Lick (合力), which has 一上 and 一下 one.

[Busy Mom]

Thanks sydneymak & nescafeADay.

Unfortunately, nope i didn't get the books other than the stipulated 3M bao. Will try to look for it in Casamac then. Probably will ask the lady boss to recommend.

Though i heard many parents say first time std 1 exams will easy but i still do get the jitters. This is the case of parents are more kan-cheong than the kids!

[currymee]

....

Though i heard many parents say first time std 1 exams will easy but i still do get the jitters. This is the case of parents are more kan-cheong than the kids!

Hahahahaa :D :D

TRUST ME - it is NORMAL !!! Even for a 3-year "veteran" parents like myself, I am also KAN-CHEONG !!! :o :o :p :p Why ? It is because we care and take their education seriously, well, maybe a tad too much at times ;)

Most importantly is for you to set "reasonable" expectation and you can only set them after the first exams where you get a feel of your child's performance vis a vis the rest of the class and the average. Roughly speaking, anything above 85% is considered good and steady in LH.

[m2b]

Today is a terrible day !! It was raining heavily this afternoon and all parents/transporter of std 6 were only allowed to go in to pick their kids tru the small gate in front of the school ! It was a mess and horrible as we parents try to navigate one way exit n entry. The security guard was scolded left right but I do not blame her as I'm sure this MUST a directive order frm the school !!!! How utterly stupid is this !!! Ended the students were wet n we parents have to close the umbrella while entering the small gate ! Whoever who order this totally has never stand in the rain or pick their child up !!! My son told me that is for safety reason but under such a heavy rain why"LOCK" the main gate !! This is not safety but no brainer in giving such instructions under such circumstances !!!

[ctb]

Thanks sydneymak & nescafeADay.

Unfortunately, nope i didn't get the books other than the stipulated 3M bao. Will try to look for it in Casamac then. Probably will ask the lady boss to recommend.

Though i heard many parents say first time std 1 exams will easy but i still do get the jitters. This is the case of parents are more kan-cheong than the kids!

You can get latihan bulanan from big book shop taipan. The exercises covered all the syllabus, very closely to each topic that had been taught in school, like 3m magazine. You can subscribe for next term if u miss this term. But they normally get it at the end of the month.

[sewlover]

Did you buy the monthly workbook by the same publisher as 3m magazine.....that is the workbook that my girl is using....quite good
Yes, I am using the monthly assessment workbook and also the one from Hup Lik. So far Hup Lik is closest to the text book. I didn't manage to get Moral yet.

[nescafeADay]

I read this news in Sin Chew newspaper about the LINUS assessment. http://www.sinchew.com.my/node/242899?tid=1
Does Lick Hung students need to sit for LINUS assessment? It said not all schools involve in LINUS.
It mentioned, if Std 3 assessment result does not score 100% passing rate, the headmaster will be punished which includes to attend a 2-weeks course, transfered out, demotion, or even get sacked... wow, that is serious.

[currymee]

I read this news in Sin Chew newspaper about the LINUS assessment. http://www.sinchew.com.my/node/242899?tid=1
Does Lick Hung students need to sit for LINUS assessment? It said not all schools involve in LINUS.
It mentioned, if Std 3 assessment result does not score 100% passing rate, the headmaster will be punished which includes to attend a 2-weeks course, transfered out, demotion, or even get sacked... wow, that is serious.

Hahaha ... don't worry, Lick Hung HM has got "LINUS" covered .... I heard a few children had to undergo "crash-course" in the last few months.

[currymee]

"HPS Metal Arch" Taken Down

I was driving my son into the school compound this morning due to the heavy rain and I noticed that the HPS Metal Arch (aka LIGHTNING ROD) over the main school gate was taken down. It was left beside the gate wall. What happened ? :confused: Lightning strike or did it collapse due to the thunderstorm yesterday ? :confused:

Anyway, given that the weather nowadays are very stormy with plenty of lightning, I think it is a VERY GOOD STEP in terms of SAFETY for everyone :)

LH school management can "promote" themselves for getting HPS in other "safer" ways like a plaque etc. KUDOS to them for making a good SAFETY decision here. I hope they don't put something like this up again - it is dangerous.

[Busy Mom]

You can get latihan bulanan from big book shop taipan. The exercises covered all the syllabus, very closely to each topic that had been taught in school, like 3m magazine. You can subscribe for next term if u miss this term. But they normally get it at the end of the month.
Thanks for the suggestion. Another option for me to explore :)

Went to Casamac yesterday, the lady boss recommended a few workbooks. Told her daughter is studying in LH and straightaway she took out a few for me and one of them is the Moral from Hup Lik (the 一上 and 一下 one).

Another question to parents who has gotten the monthly assessment workbook from the school, you have subscribed for the whole year or only for the Term 1. Meaning for each term are we parents suppose to fill in the form again and make payment for any workbooks that we want? Too busy lately, I can't really recall about this:p

[nescafeADay]

Another question to parents who has gotten the monthly assessment workbook from the school, you have subscribed for the whole year or only for the Term 1. Meaning for each term are we parents suppose to fill in the form again and make payment for any workbooks that we want? Too busy lately, I can't really recall about this:p

Oh.. good one.. Let me check with my daughter tonight :)

[nescafeADay]

I am putting in my blog tomorrow. Just paste it here to share: I try to get Singapore syllabus English exercise books for my girls and this is one of them: Conquer Editing & Punctuation by SAP. Can check out the exercises/preview in Google Books : http://books.google.com.pe/books?id=D8WqkEScPfQC&lpg=PP1&pg=PA7#v=onepage&q&f=false

[rachel sj]

Parents that got the Std 3 past papers - I do recommend that you let your children try the MATHS paper ASAP. It is an eye opener, not because it is difficult but very tricky, so you may want to "expose" your child to the format and sneakiness asap - just my 2 cents.


Dear currymee,

i just sent an email to you for the past year paper... thanks a bunch !

[rachel sj]

If i am not mistaken, the LINUS test was done at Standard 3 last Tuesday.

My girl pulled a long face last Monday as her teacher told her class that anyone who got more than 4 wrong in the Math (LINUS) will not be allowed to participate in PE anymore, as he/ she needs to replace his/her PE classes with Maths tuition ..... see, how the teacher pressures those young kids :(

Anyhow, the next evening, she came back and told me the tests were not as hard as the school's term tests and smiling all the way ...

[currymee]

A kind fellow forumer and parent (ctb - TQ :) ) and has emailed me this revision BC exercise ( 三年级华语练习 2 (7-13) ) that she has prepared and asked me to make it available to anyone who likes to have a copy.

Please email me if you want.

[nescafeADay]

Hahaha ... don't worry, Lick Hung HM has got "LINUS" covered .... I heard a few children had to undergo "crash-course" in the last few months.

Hahaha, good also. Hopefully the 'crash-course' can help those children to catch up.

[nescafeADay]

Oh.. good one.. Let me check with my daughter tonight :)

Checked with my daughter, could not find the order form. Think has submitted to school. Will check with others and see. So far, still getting the magazine that we pay for beginning of the year. Haven't gotten any new order form.

[birdy]

A kind fellow forumer and parent (ctb - TQ :) ) and has emailed me this revision BC exercise ( 三年级华语练习 2 (7-13) ) that she has prepared and asked me to make it available to anyone who likes to have a copy.

Please email me if you want.
Hi Currymee, appreciate if you could share this with me.

[Rhiga]

Every weekday morning, there are naïve+idiotic+stupid+irresponsible+blur+selfish drivers who drive in the OPPSOITE direction to drop their kids at the side gate. (to avoid the crowded, slow moving traffic at the main gate).

These no-brainers + no heart idiots are expecting other law-abiding drivers to give way... and they really behave like it is absolutely fine to drive in this manner.. :mad:

If you are one of them, please stop such disgusting behavior – you endanger yourself/your kid(s) and other road users...:mad:.

If you know any of your friends/relatives are doing this, advise them to stop..

One day, someone will pay the price, a price that you will regret whole live....

[currymee]

Hi Currymee, appreciate if you could share this with me.

Done, please check your email :)


ctb,

Thanks for sharing the revision BC paper, my wife said it is excellent - thanks !!!! :D

[currymee]

Every weekday morning, there are naïve+idiotic+stupid+irresponsible+blur+selfish drivers who drive in the OPPSOITE direction to drop their kids at the side gate. (to avoid the crowded, slow moving traffic at the main gate).

These no-brainers + no heart idiots are expecting other law-abiding drivers to give way... and they really behave like it is absolutely fine to drive in this manner.. :mad:

If you are one of them, please stop such disgusting behavior – you endanger yourself/your kid(s) and other road users...:mad:.

If you know any of your friends/relatives are doing this, advise them to stop..

One day, someone will pay the price, a price that you will regret whole live....

I fully agree - quite a few times, I HONKED the hell out of them !!!

[jan tomaswaki]

Sometime ago,a mum park her H/Accord near the canteen small gate with her son with engine on while she rushes to collect the dotter in the main gate,but the indian guard (with no finger) drive her car with her 2-3 yr old son in it.,to make a U turn.Finding her car missing she panick and i told her the guard has driven the car as it block the road.Know what she scold her dotter " because you are late coming out ,your little brother is missing"What a stupid mum.

[nescafeADay]

Sometime ago,a mum park her H/Accord near the canteen small gate with her son with engine on while she rushes to collect the dotter in the main gate,but the indian guard (with no finger) drive her car with her 2-3 yr old son in it.,to make a U turn.Finding her car missing she panick and i told her the guard has driven the car as it block the road.Know what she scold her dotter " because you are late coming out ,your little brother is missing"What a stupid mum.

Sigh, not a good 身教 [teach others by one’s own example]. Selfish, and blaming others... sigh ... if all children are brought up that way, it will be a horrible world to live in future.

[akiyoshi]

I was told today that 10 STD 3 classes gathered at the hall for movie marathon treat, watching the whole morning except the last two periods. When I asked why, kid said that all the teachers were busy attending meeting.

Is this true ? Parents, can check with your kids ?
Perhaps onewira can help to explain.

[Mommy]

I was told today that 10 STD 3 classes gathered at the hall for movie marathon treat, watching the whole morning except the last two periods. When I asked why, kid said that all the teachers were busy attending meeting.

Is this true ? Parents, can check with your kids ?
Perhaps onewira can help to explain.

OMG!!! why couldn't they give some work to the kids for revision since next week is exams. Is it a way for them to relax before the exams or what???

[currymee]

I was told today that 10 STD 3 classes gathered at the hall for movie marathon treat, watching the whole morning except the last two periods. When I asked why, kid said that all the teachers were busy attending meeting.

Is this true ? Parents, can check with your kids ?
Perhaps onewira can help to explain.

I checked with my son and yes, ALL Std 3 kids were gathered in the hall to watch RIO and CARS2 :p (I also haven't watch - should have told me and I would have joined them leh !!!! :D ) !! No studies except for last 2 periods and loaded with homework up to the eyeballs :mad:

Reason was teachers' meeting - wow !! Maybe to streamline the exams and make it easier hahahahaa so "we" don't complain too much online :rolleyes: .... I AM DREAMING ....