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pucman
02-01-2010, 04:46 PM
http://www.thestar.com.my/metro/story.asp?file=/2010/1/2/central/5382408&sec=central

AllUrban
06-01-2010, 02:38 PM
Elevated BRT...what a crazy idea. There is only one city in the world (Xiamen) that has such a system and it is a place where they manufacture buses.

The capital costs would be astronomical...and the ROI would be low...may as well build an LRT or monorail at that price.

Cheers, m

mykern
06-01-2010, 07:10 PM
The LRT system works on a timer basis ... so passengers can gauge the time to be at the stations .... they are more efficient and comfortable. ...
busses are highly unreliable and erratic ... some busses just take off just to irritate the running passenger trying to catch it ....

Joe Gomez
08-01-2010, 12:10 AM
Elevated BRT...what a crazy idea. There is only one city in the world (Xiamen) that has such a system and it is a place where they manufacture buses.

The capital costs would be astronomical...and the ROI would be low...may as well build an LRT or monorail at that price.

Cheers, mAllUrban, in the context of the LRT extension that seeks to bypass Sunway the following are yet to be answered. In fact when that fellow Datuk Adruse, the topdog of Prasarana, was asked at the taklimat session held in Subang Jaya, he evaded the question completely and feigned ignorance of such statistics :
1 ) What is the difference in incremental cost between having the line extended ( after touching Subang Jaya / USJ ) to Putra Heights as opposed to Bandar Sunway ?
2 ) What is the difference in ridership estimates between Bandar Sunway and Putra Heights ?
3 ) How many more mistresses of BN ministers are there in Putra Heights as opposed to Bandar Sunway ? :D
4 ) Did Putra Heights really really score high on these 3 numbers thus providing justification for choosing Putra Heights over Bandar Sunway ?

The Bandar Sunway LRT Task Force (BSLRTTF) was told that there were insurmountable obstacles i.e. techincal difficulties that made it tecnically "IMPOSSIBLE" to send the LRT to Bandar Sunway ......... THIS, AllUrban, IN THE AGE OF THE SMART TUNNEL THAT BORED RIGHT UNDER THE GOLDEN TRIANGLE !!! ;)

The BRT, my friend, is a mere bone cast into our midst to keep us occupied, gnawing and fighting over it, while the powers that be churn up the cauldron of mischief, as usual i.e. keep us hoping for a non-existent hope.
If they had been serious about the BRT ( which the BSLRTTF was told will cost about RM 250 million ) right from the beginning, where is the working paper ? At what stage is the approval now ?
In a word, m, this is shadow play and we in Bandar Sunway are happily gnawing at the scrap of bone thrown at us and are thanking the government for the favour somoe. :rolleyes:

Have a great 2010, m.

JoeJaffar
08-01-2010, 11:07 AM
3 ) How many more mistresses of BN ministers are there in Putra Heights as opposed to Bandar Sunway ? :D


not putra heights la. that's usj heights. G&G and secluded. PH too open.. :D

AllUrban
08-01-2010, 12:46 PM
AllUrban, in the context of the LRT extension that seeks to bypass Sunway the following are yet to be answered. In fact when that fellow Datuk Adruse, the topdog of Prasarana, was asked at the taklimat session held in Subang Jaya, he evaded the question completely and feigned ignorance of such statistics :
1 ) What is the difference in incremental cost between having the line extended ( after touching Subang Jaya / USJ ) to Putra Heights as opposed to Bandar Sunway ?
2 ) What is the difference in ridership estimates between Bandar Sunway and Putra Heights ?
3 ) How many more mistresses of BN ministers are there in Putra Heights as opposed to Bandar Sunway ? :D
4 ) Did Putra Heights really really score high on these 3 numbers thus providing justification for choosing Putra Heights over Bandar Sunway ?

The Bandar Sunway LRT Task Force (BSLRTTF) was told that there were insurmountable obstacles i.e. techincal difficulties that made it tecnically "IMPOSSIBLE" to send the LRT to Bandar Sunway ......... THIS, AllUrban, IN THE AGE OF THE SMART TUNNEL THAT BORED RIGHT UNDER THE GOLDEN TRIANGLE !!! ;)

The BRT, my friend, is a mere bone cast into our midst to keep us occupied, gnawing and fighting over it, while the powers that be churn up the cauldron of mischief, as usual i.e. keep us hoping for a non-existent hope.
If they had been serious about the BRT ( which the BSLRTTF was told will cost about RM 250 million ) right from the beginning, where is the working paper ? At what stage is the approval now ?
In a word, m, this is shadow play and we in Bandar Sunway are happily gnawing at the scrap of bone thrown at us and are thanking the government for the favour somoe. :rolleyes:

Have a great 2010, m.Joe, what did the other members of the team really say to the ElBRT proposal? If m were there (had m been invited, which is a whole other story) m would have started laughing in the most maniacal way.

m recalls suggesting to the group at the first meeting to push for a rapid transit connection or be even more specific and push for a rail connection.

a) Extension of the LRT from IOI mall to pass Sunway on the way to Shah Alam,

b) Route the Kelana Jaya LRT along KESAS to IOI Mall, or

c) a monorail system connecting IOI to Sunway and USJ...

An even easier & short term solution is this:

1) BET (Bus Expressway Transit) from Alam Megah following KESAS and Maju Expressway (MEX) to KL.

Instead of coming into USJ, continue to follow KESAS to stop at the south end of Sunway, then continue along KESAS to the Bukit Jalil LRT station, then along the Maju Expressway to KL.

2) BET from Subang Mewah, which would follow Jalan Tujuan and the NPE to KL Sentral. This BET serves the north side of Bandar Sunway (Pyramid)

Elevated BRT is nonsense.

Cheers, m

Joe Gomez
08-01-2010, 08:06 PM
Joe, what did the other members of the team really say to the ElBRT proposal? .............Not much apparently ...... other than coming back with the BRT proposal to the residents of PJS 7 like it were "manna from heaven", brimming with gratitude for alms thrown in their direction ....... by the powers in the Dept of Railways ;)
They are honourable men .... allll of them ..... alll honourable men.
Except the Sunway City Bhd rep ............ WHY ?
During this briefing to the residents, that joker showered accolades on this BRT idea ( and it seemed to me purely ) because it was expected to swing over to PJS 9 ( where his precious HQ building is situated. :mad: )
............... If Jeff Cheah is happy .... All is well with the world ... ;)
Nary a thought for the low cost flats that are on the PJS 7 side ............ not a tear shed for the students of the competitors college i.e Taylors ( tho numbers here are expected to go to 15,000 by year 2015, I am told .......... ) Now if those numbers do not reflect potential ridership, may I ask what the bazookas do they reflect !!!!!:mad:

Joe Gomez
11-01-2010, 09:38 AM
This was in SUN today ...........

http://www.sun2surf.com/article.cfm?id=41893

Fabe18
11-01-2010, 11:19 AM
the Malaysian land law makes things a little more challenging in the sense that a landowner / houseowner is entitled to the piece of land on the surface right down to the core of the earth. So technically, u can build 100 basement levels deep legally within the land area u bought, if technically possible.

So the rail route has to be on federal or state land, either above land or below. And for highly developed township, it posed a challenge without making too many land acquisitions to build the stations and rail route.

If I'm not wrong, S'pore and HK do not have such land laws, so building underground subway is less legally restrictive.

AllUrban
11-01-2010, 01:27 PM
Not much apparently ...... other than coming back with the BRT proposal to the residents of PJS 7 like it were "manna from heaven", brimming with gratitude for alms thrown in their direction ....... by the powers in the Dept of Railways ;)
They are honourable men .... allll of them ..... alll honourable men.
Except the Sunway City Bhd rep ............ WHY ?
During this briefing to the residents, that joker showered accolades on this BRT idea ( and it seemed to me purely ) because it was expected to swing over to PJS 9 ( where his precious HQ building is situated. :mad: )
............... If Jeff Cheah is happy .... All is well with the world ... ;)
Nary a thought for the low cost flats that are on the PJS 7 side ............ not a tear shed for the students of the competitors college i.e Taylors ( tho numbers here are expected to go to 15,000 by year 2015, I am told .......... ) Now if those numbers do not reflect potential ridership, may I ask what the bazookas do they reflect !!!!!:mad:Joe, hope the people realize that for the moment, anything "Bus" is in the purview of the CVLB, not the DoR.

So of course the DoR would be happy to recommend BRT...then it becomes SEP for them... "somebody else's problem"

Cheers, m

AllUrban
11-01-2010, 01:31 PM
the Malaysian land law makes things a little more challenging in the sense that a landowner / houseowner is entitled to the piece of land on the surface right down to the core of the earth. So technically, u can build 100 basement levels deep legally within the land area u bought, if technically possible.

So the rail route has to be on federal or state land, either above land or below. And for highly developed township, it posed a challenge without making too many land acquisitions to build the stations and rail route.

If I'm not wrong, S'pore and HK do not have such land laws, so building underground subway is less legally restrictive.The idea that legally you own the land all the way down to the core of the earth ... is not exactly true but it is believed by most people ...

In the case of leasehold land, the government controls the rights to the underground space.

As for air rights (space above the building) that is usually controlled by the owner/leaseholder.

There is a loophole in the law that allows the government to expropriate the land underneath a privately owned lot without any cost or compensation, if they are willing to make the effort.

Suffice it to say that most of the time, the government is not willing to make the effort and is too busy with nonsense to actually go about amending these laws and clearing up loopholes.

Cheers, m

Fabe18
11-01-2010, 01:48 PM
The idea that legally you own the land all the way down to the core of the earth ... is not exactly true but it is believed by most people ...

In the case of leasehold land, the government controls the rights to the underground space.

As for air rights (space above the building) that is usually controlled by the owner/leaseholder.

There is a loophole in the law that allows the government to expropriate the land underneath a privately owned lot without any cost or compensation, if they are willing to make the effort.

Suffice it to say that most of the time, the government is not willing to make the effort and is too busy with nonsense to actually go about amending these laws and clearing up loopholes.

Cheers, m

From what we can observed on how all the underground LRT routes were planned and built, the impression was that the contractors don't encroach into land underneath any privately owned properties. Perhaps to build something underneath a privately owned land, it has to be much deeper and that makes it more expensive???

AllUrban
11-01-2010, 02:29 PM
From what we can observed on how all the underground LRT routes were planned and built, the impression was that the contractors don't encroach into land underneath any privately owned properties. Perhaps to build something underneath a privately owned land, it has to be much deeper and that makes it more expensive???that is a possibility but the underground LRT is quite deep as it is...

it is more likely that the reason for building so deep is to avoid disturbing the foundations of buildings rather than the cost of land aquisition.

If the builders had wanted to save money and still build underground, they could use the "cut & cover" method and build directly under the roadways and beside the river banks. For example, the Ampang LRT could have been built under Jalan Raja Laut and under Jalan Tun Perak...or extended down to the KL Railway station & Pasar Seni, then continue on to Pudu from there...instead of being built along the Gombak river and over Jalan Tun Perak...a huge mistake which led to huge traffic congestion around Masjid Jamek.

Methinks the real reason is pretty simple...the LRT were built by profit-seeking private corporations in the past and it was easier to convince the public and civil servants that the existing property laws prevented building LRT under private land or forced it to be so deep that it was cost-prohibitive ... when all they were really interested in was maximizing their profits.

Cheers, m

Joe Gomez
15-01-2010, 10:49 PM
AllUrban,

Sunway residents ( specifally PJS 7 folks ) have been taken for a ride .... yet again !!!

The stonewalling subsequent to this cockeyed decision that Prasarana'a exec's are doing now, is characteristic of gormen lackey companies that have something to hide. They are not answering questions.
When pressed these cahppies from Ppasarana deflect the question saying that theya re in touch with Sunway and particularly Goh.

Looking to Sunway City Bhd to wield some influence in this is foolish ........... since Jeff Cheah's needs wld be satisfied as long as the feeder bus service and his Free Shuttle Service together cater to the needs of the inhabitants of his corporate HQ, his Univ College, his Monsah and his hospital.
The present design puts these precious sites of his within the radius of the potential feeder buses and his shuttle service dont they, AllUrban?
btw, m, what is the radius that these buses ( ie the feeder buses I mean ) cover from an LRT station ? My arithmatic tells me that PJS 7 and its immediate vicinity is out of the ambit !!!
Betul atau tidak, m ?

AllUrban
18-01-2010, 03:35 PM
AllUrban,

Sunway residents ( specifally PJS 7 folks ) have been taken for a ride .... yet again !!!

The stonewalling subsequent to this cockeyed decision that Prasarana'a exec's are doing now, is characteristic of gormen lackey companies that have something to hide. They are not answering questions.
When pressed these cahppies from Ppasarana deflect the question saying that theya re in touch with Sunway and particularly Goh.

Looking to Sunway City Bhd to wield some influence in this is foolish ........... since Jeff Cheah's needs wld be satisfied as long as the feeder bus service and his Free Shuttle Service together cater to the needs of the inhabitants of his corporate HQ, his Univ College, his Monsah and his hospital.
The present design puts these precious sites of his within the radius of the potential feeder buses and his shuttle service dont they, AllUrban?
btw, m, what is the radius that these buses ( ie the feeder buses I mean ) cover from an LRT station ? My arithmatic tells me that PJS 7 and its immediate vicinity is out of the ambit !!!
Betul atau tidak, m ?Hi Joe. To give you an example, a proper feeder bus service should be less than 10 km total distance of travel and 10-15 minutes trip to the LRT station.

Using the example of Subang Jaya, a feeder bus from KTM Komuter would service Subang Jaya only, one route for SS19-SS15 and one SS15-SS12

A feeder bus for PJS9 would be rather far away from the line itself which is along Jalan Jengka.

Cheers, m

Joe Gomez
18-01-2010, 11:05 PM
Hi Joe. To give you an example, a proper feeder bus service should be less than 10 km total distance of travel and 10-15 minutes trip to the LRT station...............HI m. Any idea whether that 10 km distance will cover PJS 7 and Taylors College that are at the far end of the boundary of Bdr SUnway ?

AllUrban
19-01-2010, 11:37 AM
HI m. Any idea whether that 10 km distance will cover PJS 7 and Taylors College that are at the far end of the boundary of Bdr SUnway ?The distance from Kewajipan to Sunway Pyramid is about 4km. The distance from Jengka to Sunway is about 6km

A service from the station at USJ7 to PJS7 would be about 15km in length using existing roads.

If a link from USJ1 to Sunway PJS9 is built (and it should be!) the length would be about 10km

A service from the station at SS15 to PJS7 would be about 16 km in length but the time of travel would be quite short.

One thing to consider is that Jalan Lagun Selatan can be widened on the north side from the Sunway College building all the way to Kewajipan, and on the south side from Sunway College to Jalan Lagun Timur.

So there would be space for a bus rapid transit or local tram (my preferred option)...

Also, consider that the NPE is wide enough for 2lanes to be dedicated for bus rapid transit...once we see the RapidBET route starting this week you would get a good picture of what the service can be link.

Cheers, m

Joe Gomez
02-02-2010, 08:40 AM
Thank you m.

GreyShadow
13-05-2010, 10:20 AM
Sorry to bring up this old thread, as I'm not living in Sunway/SJ area anymore

any news on the proposed LRT line?
Is it finalized? any line passing through PJS 7?

Recently I got a lot of offers for my apartment at PJS7, and the offered price has increased by 10% in the past 2 months! I smell something fishy here ;)

jan tomaswaki
13-05-2010, 10:27 AM
Recently I got a lot of offers for my apartment at PJS7, and the offered price has increased by 10% in the past 2 months! I smell something fishy here ;)
Not fishy anymore as alot of ppl buying properties in SJ/USJ/Sunway where plenty of colleges are located.My spare property in Goodyear ct 1075sq ft was offer RM230K :D .10 yrs ago it was RM133K :eek:

GreyShadow
13-05-2010, 10:30 AM
mine apartment in PJS7 5 years ago was 145k, now got offer 220k :D :D

currymee
13-05-2010, 10:34 AM
mine apartment in PJS7 5 years ago was 145k, now got offer 220k :D :D

Wah - good investement - you profit approximately 18,750 bowls of currymee at CHoy Kee - can eat for 50 years !!!!! :D

GreyShadow
13-05-2010, 10:47 AM
Wah - good investement - you profit approximately 18,750 bowls of currymee at CHoy Kee - can eat for 50 years !!!!! :D

cannot eat too much curry mee, else lau sai! :D

StonTemplePilot
13-05-2010, 10:57 AM
Not fishy anymore as alot of ppl buying properties in SJ/USJ/Sunway where plenty of colleges are located.My spare property in Goodyear ct 1075sq ft was offer RM230K :D .10 yrs ago it was RM133K :eek:


Goodyear court going at RM230K??!!! Wow...sure boh...I have a goodyear court 7 unit for sale too with 2 covered carparks, 4th flr, 1008 sqft..

Anyone interested? :D

AllUrban
14-05-2010, 11:44 AM
Sorry to bring up this old thread, as I'm not living in Sunway/SJ area anymore

any news on the proposed LRT line?
Is it finalized? any line passing through PJS 7?

Recently I got a lot of offers for my apartment at PJS7, and the offered price has increased by 10% in the past 2 months! I smell something fishy here ;)There is still no plan for the LRT extension to cover Sunway. However, there is some talk about Bus Rapid Transit instead. I have no idea of the details.

As for your apartment Id guess the inquiries are in relation to the Taylor's campus. Please note that the agreement with the BSRA & PJS7 residents is to close the entrance off Jalan PJS7/13 so people (students) living in PJS7 will not be able to walk to the campus. Whether this is the final agreement or not remains to be seen.

Cheers, m