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Jennylim
31-12-2009, 12:33 AM
read on the paper, Primary schools that using Chinese as language of instruction would not be allowed to build new building(replacing or additional) unless the board of directors already have 80% of the building fund!!!

When is the government going to annouce, parents whose children studying in schools using Chinese as language of instruction only need to pay 20% of the tax payable!!!

Opera performance as part of teacher training interview!!

Is the government running out of money? Subsidy for the poor student would be reduced!!! No more milk programme!!!......

jan tomaswaki
31-12-2009, 03:03 PM
Dear,you must understand the SRJK is not fully funded by Govt.as such sometimes fun raising can turn awry when certain pledges are not paid. If your child is in such school,you have to paid,very high tution fees (afternoon class/extra class),forced to buy funfair tickets,concerts,dinners,very expensive school trips etc...and all theses are not accountable in the PIBG .I think my child in one chinese school runs into nearly a million ringgit,just like a bussiness entity.Usually in aPIBG AGM tempers flare and chairs were thrown,just like those in the political parties becoz the commitee ususally don't provide figures how the money goes....The bottom line is Govt. afraid such things were happen when targets of the amount raised were not met.Worse still parents don't bother to attend these meetings.

currymee
31-12-2009, 03:48 PM
Dear,you must understand the SRJK is not fully funded by Govt.as such sometimes fun raising can turn awry when certain pledges are not paid. If your child is in such school,you have to paid,very high tution fees (afternoon class/extra class),forced to buy funfair tickets,concerts,dinners,very expensive school trips etc...and all theses are not accountable in the PIBG .I think my child in one chinese school runs into nearly a million ringgit,just like a bussiness entity.Usually in aPIBG AGM tempers flare and chairs were thrown,just like those in the political parties becoz the commitee ususally don't provide figures how the money goes....The bottom line is Govt. afraid such things were happen when targets of the amount raised were not met.Worse still parents don't bother to attend these meetings.

Jan,

How does one get to be part of the PIBG committee? I believe we are talking about the ONE Chinese school in Subang Jaya ;) Already got a shock that Yuran-yuran for first term tahun 1 is RM112.50 this morning !! Wife said that is 4X what she read in the papers recently that Govt approved/capped .... :eek:

jan tomaswaki
31-12-2009, 04:21 PM
Yeah, this is only the begining,later computer yuran,macam macam yuran.How to join the PIBG committee is rather tricky.....the current chairman is also the B O Governor deputy chairman.Previously he was a deputy chairman then chairman then commitee (AJK) now chairman again PIBG)... :eek: :eek:

currymee
31-12-2009, 04:31 PM
Yeah, this is only the begining,later computer yuran,macam macam yuran.How to join the PIBG committee is rather tricky.....the current chairman is also the B O Governor deputy chairman.Previously he was a deputy chairman then chairman then commitee (AJK) now chairman again PIBG)... :eek: :eek:

Sounds like a fulltime politican sitting there :eek: :eek: A few parents and I are already starting to form our own little support-group and may try and get a post in committee to voice our concerns (btw, we are the BANANA and non-Chinese parents - all English speaking )

jan tomaswaki
31-12-2009, 05:12 PM
Sounds like a fulltime politican sitting there :eek: :eek: A few parents and I are already starting to form our own little support-group and may try and get a post in committee to voice our concerns (btw, we are the BANANA and non-Chinese parents - all English speaking )
The problem with the AGM is the agenda program where the election first then the enquiry of the school.Suppose if i'm outspoken with facts and parents will not be able to elect me as the election of AJK is over. :( :(

fongkimseng
02-01-2010, 03:36 PM
Currymee, are you thinking of joining the Lick Hung PIBG committee ?

besitai2007
02-01-2010, 04:24 PM
Most schools get away with the "extra" fees you have to pay by bringing it under the "umbrella" of the PIBG. I was a former principal of a secondary school and I can tell you how it works. The PIBG chairman and his cronies will use the PIBG funds to buy "presents"/cenderamata for themselves each mesyuarat agong when they were supposed to use it for the benefit of the students. Request to help students are usualy ignored. Frankly, with a student population of at least 1500, a yearly PIBG subsription well managed need not be supplemented via extra collection.

The PIBG cannot collect extra fees without the approval of the mesyuarat agong - which sadly to say, not many parents want to attend. So, when they are burdened with the extra fees they complain. It's just like the political situation in our country now. If you don't vote, don't moan and groan about injustice. Attend the mesyuarat agong every year and make your voice and vote count. You can vote out the existing chairman if there are enough parents who support you. Usually the current chairman will make sure he has enough of his supporters around to vote him into office. Subtle things are done just like a political election - I don't want to mention it here. After that, the PIBG committee does not have to refer to you as they carry out things on the "advice" of the HM (who actually has no power to stop the chairman, as I found out, as the school's PIBG constitution usually puts the PIBG chairman as the most powerful figure in the committee). The PIBG chairman signs all cheques and the HM does not countersign the cheques. The reason this was done was to separate the school and PIBG as separate entities to overcome some financial problems schools face due to caps and rules on expenditure. By going through the PIBG, schools can actually do the "sinful":rolleyes:.

Teachers make up the numbers also in the committee but they are selected by the HM and usually do not vote independently of the HM's wishes - which I found out to my horror when I was the Senior Assistant of a technical school in Melaka when I voiced out against an unpopular decision and was blasted by my HM. It's just like the politics in our country, you don't vote against your party.

So, the bottom line is - attend the mesyuarat agong every year. If you fail to do so then you have yourself to blame.

besitai2007
02-01-2010, 04:31 PM
The problem with the AGM is the agenda program where the election first then the enquiry of the school.Suppose if i'm outspoken with facts and parents will not be able to elect me as the election of AJK is over. :( :(
This is the standard procedure in any annual general meeting or mesyuarat agong (which is usually held at the end of the year usually December). The past year's committee has to withdraw for new members to be elected. Usually parents or those present take the easy way out by voting back the whole gang without thinking. If you are outspoken, make sure you have the support and are raising real issues without just trying to make yourself popular. Parents can tell if you are voicing actual issues. In a democratic country, you can voice your unhappiness and you have the right as a parent of the school. If you want to get elected into the committee, make sure enough parents support you. If you just make a lot of noise without raising relevant issues, people will see you as a trouble maker only.

jan tomaswaki
04-01-2010, 03:42 PM
This is the standard procedure in any annual general meeting or mesyuarat agong (which is usually held at the end of the year usually December).. Usually parents or those present take the easy way out by voting back the whole gang without thinking. If you are outspoken, make sure you have the support and are raising real issues without just trying to make yourself popular. Parents can tell if you are voicing actual issues. In a democratic country, you can voice your unhappiness and you have the right as a parent of the school. If you want to get elected into the committee, make sure enough parents support you. If you just make a lot of noise without raising relevant issues, people will see you as a trouble maker only.
But that school had their AGM purposely on the last week of the closing date so that accounts MUST PASS to avoid being penalise by gomen.Problems with parents is complaining "...beg sekolah too heavy..."..tandas very smelly.. in the AGM.If the agenda is about the complains earlier before the elections than parents know each other better.Most parents is also 1blur sotong.

Jennylim
06-01-2010, 12:06 AM
If your child is in such school,you have to paid,very high tution fees (afternoon class/extra class),forced to buy funfair tickets,concerts,dinners,very expensive school trips etc...and all theses are not accountable in the PIBG .I think my child in one chinese school runs into nearly a million ringgit,just like a bussiness entity.Usually in aPIBG AGM tempers flare and chairs were thrown,just like those in the political parties becoz the commitee ususally don't provide figures how the money goes....The bottom line is Govt. afraid such things were happen when targets of the amount raised were not met.Worse still parents don't bother to attend these meetings.

The tuition is not expensive compare to outside, I read the tuition notes, in fact they were very well prepared. Concert? Dinners?Expensive trips? I usually don't buy! Funfair - I will only buy RM20 - reason - I am not convince that they still need so much money.
Chairs were thrown? Attended 14 AGMs so far, never seen one. Which school had that happened?

currymee, you may want to verify the figure, my son's school fees is less than RM30, but he is buying some workbooks - that adds up to RM102.60(including one optional book my son wanted)

jan tomaswaki
06-01-2010, 06:33 AM
The tuition is not expensive compare to outside, :( I read the tuition notes, in fact they were very well prepared. Concert? Dinners?Expensive trips? I usually don't buy! Funfair - I will only buy RM20 - reason - I am not convince that they still need so much money.
Chairs were thrown? Attended 14 AGMs so far, never seen one. Which school had that happened?

currymee, you may want to verify the figure, my son's school fees is less than RM30, but he is buying some workbooks - that adds up to RM102.60(including one optional book my son wanted)
1 ) Of course the tution fee is inexpensive if you count on pupils ration.
2 ) If everybody like you buying RM20 multiply by about 3,700 pupils is whopping
3 ) SJ residents don't throw chairs in AGM - not nice,kiasu,pai seh,but some SJKC in KL did.

currymee
06-01-2010, 07:57 AM
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currymee, you may want to verify the figure, my son's school fees is less than RM30, but he is buying some workbooks - that adds up to RM102.60(including one optional book my son wanted)

Official school fees is RM24.50 - LAin-lain is RM88.00 - total is RM112.50

terisunny
06-01-2010, 10:01 AM
what I dislike most is the fact they put the 'dan lain-lain' books as 'optional', when it is not! I queried when my kid was in Std 1....but teachers are not helpful. They only tell you that it's actually a 'must-buy', just not in black and white printed copy. Fees for Std 4 is going at RM228! And I'm waiting for the afternoon tuition fees to come.....

Can you imagine my kid had 6 books for 1 subject - 1 text + 4 other so-called activity books! And whatmore 6 exercise books of the same subject! Is it necessary? It's no wonder bags are too heavy and kids have bad back these days, and they have nightmares going to school.

Much as I complain, I am dependant on the school to at least be able to teach them some things. Private school is out of budget, national school is almost going under.....we can only depend on SJKCs. Such is life in Bolehland.....

But as discussed, there's no way unless to change the systems (ie. PIBG mgmt), and that itself, I think will be a Herculean effort! Just like current national politics :rolleyes:

Rhiga
06-01-2010, 12:29 PM
read on the paper, Primary schools that using Chinese as language of instruction would not be allowed to build new building(replacing or additional) unless the board of directors already have 80% of the building fund!!!
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I think this thread started as to comment the biased and distorted educational policies imposed on Chinese school !!

Come on guys, gomen never give a cent or a square inch of land to build Chinese school, and now they wanted to impose a rule that school building approval will only be given unless and until the fund raised to build Chinese school is more than 80% of the building cost !!!

I am speechless

jimmyay
06-01-2010, 12:44 PM
I think this thread started as to comment the biased and distorted educational policies imposed on Chinese school !!

Come on guys, gomen never give a cent or a square inch of land to build Chinese school, and now they wanted to impose a rule that school building approval will only be given unless and until the fund raised to build Chinese school is more than 80% of the building cost !!!

I am speechless

I wonder what is the percentage of tax paid by different ethnic groups? And then look at how much development had been done for individual category.

jan tomaswaki
06-01-2010, 01:20 PM
Can you imagine my kid had 6 books for 1 subject - 1 text + 4 other so-called activity books! And whatmore 6 exercise books of the same subject! Is it necessary? It's no wonder bags are too heavy and kids have bad back these days, and they have nightmares going to school.
But as discussed, there's no way unless to change the systems (ie. PIBG mgmt), and that itself, I think will be a Herculean effort! Just like current national politics :rolleyes:
Much have been debate in PIBG AGM but the statement is ...."we'll look into it..."nothing is done .Thinking of joining PIBG...unless you know "somebody"it's all croynism... :mad: :mad:

zinglicious
06-01-2010, 01:23 PM
Leaderships by examples and there are aplenty of examples learnt from our leaders in the country. And soon the students would learn from these examples and follow the traditions. Monkeys see, monkey do :eek: :p :D

jan tomaswaki
06-01-2010, 01:26 PM
Come on guys, gomen never give a cent or a square inch of land to build Chinese school, and now they wanted to impose a rule that school building approval will only be given unless and until the fund raised to build Chinese school is more than 80% of the building cost !!

Nowadays parents are concious of contributing to the building fund after the economic slowdown,furthermore most Board of Governors are not transparent enough and having sit in the board for donkey years just to be known...suppose the funds did not reach the target amount then it's the pressure to the kids to tell ibu and ayah to top up. :D :D I think the gomen is putting this to stop

Rhiga
06-01-2010, 01:42 PM
Nowadays parents are concious of contributing to the building fund after the economic slowdown,furthermore most Board of Governors are not transparent enough and having sit in the board for donkey years just to be known...suppose the funds did not reach the target amount then it's the pressure to the kids to tell ibu and ayah to top up. :D :D I think the gomen is putting this to stop

Jan tomaswaki,

I donít think this is the reason.

It is another form of biased policies imposed on Chinese school.

Back to the fundamental, we (tax payers) should not raise fund or donate fee to build Chinese school as other national schools are fully funded by gomen.

If you read Chinese papers, there is an article in Sin Chew Jit Poh today highlighting the man-made obstacles in the development of Chinese schools in this country.

zinglicious
07-01-2010, 04:06 AM
I think it was acknowledged by TuN Dr Mahathir that Malaysian Chinese are the biggest contributors to taxes but how come no allocation for the schools? :confused: :confused: :confused:

Rhiga
07-01-2010, 09:47 AM
I think it was acknowledged by TuN Dr Mahathir that Malaysian Chinese are the biggest contributors to taxes but how come no allocation for the schools? :confused: :confused: :confused:

There is allocation, only before GE.. Like giving 10 cents to a beggar and hope the beggar can survive for 5 years !!!

Jennylim
07-01-2010, 12:21 PM
Read from the paper, government's annual allocation for each students:

SK about RM2000/pax
SJK(T) more than RM600/pax
SJKC slightly over RM200/pax

This explained why parents have to contribute to the schools - donations after donations.....

Please, blaiming the SJKC schools is the last thing we parents should do, though I also want to know how the money collected were spent.

It is not easy managing a school, teachers, results, etc. HM emphasizes too much on workbooks, parents not happy, school relax, result dropped - people laughing at the performance. When you have children at SMK, you would realise how difficult it is to get a good school for your children. This year, I have heard of people tranferring their children out from SMK USJ 12 - suppose to be the best school in USJ just 2 years before!!!

jan tomaswaki
07-01-2010, 12:31 PM
Please, blaiming the SJKC schools is the last thing we parents should do, though I also want to know how the money collected were spent.
. This year, I have heard of people tranferring their children out from SMK USJ 12 - suppose to be the best school in USJ just 2 years before!!!
I think SMK USJ 12 has 12 classes with about 52 pax per class ,just same as SMK Seafield! How can parents transfer them out ? Want to know how your money goes to after every donation drive.It's like asking Petronas accounts going public or EPF where they spent on their investment.