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USJ27Resident
29-12-2009, 01:30 AM
Kinda made me think about it - are Msian employers taking the easy way out to increase their profits and keep overheads low by employing 'cheap' foreign labor instead of hiring locals... :rolleyes:

I was kinda suprised when I went to USJ17 7-11 and attempted to buy some stuff and when I spoke in Malay, the guy stammered and said "no speak Bahasa" only to find out that the fella was a Nepalese, working there... then I went for lunch in TGIF and guess what... the waitress was an African lady. Yup... African! For a moment I thought I was in South Africa! Went to a 5 star hotel in KL - eh.. oso got Filipina waitress...

Whats happening to Malaysia man! ...at this rate, no wonder Malaysians are running away and overstaying overseas - working there since there are no more jobs available for them here...

Question is, how are these foreigners getting employed... aren't there rules about employing foreigners or are these employers taking advantage of lax enforcement by the Immigration fellas... or have employment agencies now broaden their scope of cheap labor - with help from their 'guardian angels' :mad:

zinglicious
29-12-2009, 02:44 AM
You should have seen all those Supermarkets like Carrefour employed the foreigners instead of Malaysians. :confused:
But on the other hand, Malaysians are too pampered by thier Indo or Filipino maids to do dishes or getting dirty in the kitchen. Even carrying a tray of drinks and food are deemed degrading.

adamx
29-12-2009, 08:15 AM
there must be a complete ban on them, ZERO foreign workers, except for highly skilled workers. Then only local wont feel so degrading working as waitress or dish washer. Look to the past, 60's and 70's where got such thing as foreign workers, Malaysia is progressing way ahead of even South Korea. Is the country doing any better with all these foreign workers ? No we are not, we are now losing even to Thailand who was so far behind us. Does Thailand have any foreign workers ?

chewie
29-12-2009, 08:39 AM
i still enjoy going to alisan at sri petaling, where i can speak chinese to the waiter. i hardly see a foreign labour there.

TGIF maybe the lady is a student here who wants to earn some extra income. to me thats okie. but if a 5 star hotel and they employ a filipina people, i understand as they can speak English. I went to a hotel and enquire something at the buffet line to the waiter there, he show me hand signal ask me to wait and called his supervisor who can speak english to talk to me.


When i was in SG, i read an article why youngster do not want to work at fast food outlet or 7-11 or even at the mall. their reply just, what if my friend or relative sees me, i will loose face for working there. in my mind, you are earning legal money, and i believe no one will look down at you for working in that place. i believe many of us here also had worked in fast food outlet or even 7-11. i had worked at Hop-In before.

jimmyay
29-12-2009, 09:29 AM
Without foreign worker, we will see prices going up. Manufactured products price not competitive against China's product.

Malaysian on the other hand need to upgrade themselves by moving to middle income group. Don't stay at the lower income group. Do it via education & constant upgrading professional skills. Or even innovation market. Then only personal income will grow. This is a rat race that we are in.

zinglicious
29-12-2009, 11:10 AM
When the local franchisee kopitiams, employed foreigners to managed the outlet, it is a sign that we would be unable to go beyond oversea and brand ourselves. Whatmore, instead of offering jobs tranings, opportunities, and career advancement, we are actually training foreigners and destroying ourselves in competiveness edges for our people particularly youths.
The best jobs training is on the site training and not in school or college.What was deemed degrading when we carry food or drinks to serve customers or relative that see us doing that is that the very first lesson in life value - It is one heck of honesty. When the goings get tough, the tough gets going. :)

Firefly
29-12-2009, 11:44 AM
Am in a manufacturing company in M'sia. Back in the 70s we can hire locals and they would work for you till they retire..these days, we have 40% foreign workers, 10% long serving staff and the balance are locals who come today gone tomorrow. Mind you, they are not paid cheap..the frustration we have in training them and they do not turn up for work the next day. This is worst during festive seasons and with public holidays falling on Tuesday or Fridays. these locals just declare for themselves a longer weekends. Production suffers when a whole group of them don;t turn up for work.

I have seen locals coming for interview, saying, Wah no aircon..Wah noisy..and etc. Metal working factory, not an electronics factory what do they expect?

Even the supervisors and area managers are asking for foreign labor. At the very least they are bound by a 3 years contract. Some stay on for up to 5 years (Gov regulations).

Please do not think that it's cheap to hire a foreign labor as the establishment have to pay for a lot of hidden cost. Logging, Insurance and now Levi are all now paid for by the company (Gov Regulation).

pucman
29-12-2009, 12:18 PM
Here are where they dominate

Construction worker - Indonesian and Bangla
Waiters, cooks in chinese kopitiam - Myanmar
Waiters, cooks in western kopitiam - North Indians
Security guards - Nepal
Maids - Indonesian
Massage (foot or body) - China chinese

That's one of the reason why the crime rate is going up especially those working in the construction line.

bslee
29-12-2009, 12:29 PM
Here are where they dominate
Security guards - Nepal



Hmmm.. makes me wonder. Nepalese could be Gurkhas, reputed in history as soldiers for their bravery and strength fighting for the British army. (read the history books lah).
Well, I suppose those here are possibly not of the same kind. I remember lots of them at kaki lima shop corridors hawking their gemstones, trinkets, rings, etc in the 60's 70's. Rarely seen or non existant now.

kwchang
29-12-2009, 12:50 PM
Hmmm.. makes me wonder. Nepalese could be Gurkhas, reputed in history as soldiers for their bravery and strength fighting for the British army. (read the history books lah)... Rarely seen or non existant now.
Not so rare - I believe the security guards in the USJ11/3 GnG are Nepalese. So are the ones at the Lakeside gated community, Puchong

bslee
29-12-2009, 12:54 PM
Not so rare - I believe the security guards in the USJ11/3 GnG are Nepalese. So are the ones at the Lakeside gated community, Puchong

Chang, Rare, as I was refering to those gurkha hawkers, not the guards. :)

jan tomaswaki
29-12-2009, 03:12 PM
[QUOTE=bslee] Nepalese could be Gurkhas, reputed in history as soldiers for their bravery and strength fighting for the British army. (read the history books lah).
There are 2 types of Nepalese guards,Gurkhas work for the British army and S'pore Gomen and are very high pay but Nepalese guards are from the Nepal gomen as mostly in condos and apartment,at first very hardworking and after a year or so they become more lazy and takut of the robbers

bslee
29-12-2009, 03:15 PM
at first very hardworking and after a year or so they become more lazy and takut of the robbers

Errr... perhaps because they're unarmed guards. If I were an unarmed guard, if there's a band of robbers, I'd think about my own life first too. :)
Whatever it is, I think there's a distint difference of work attitude between a soldier and a guard, whoever it may be. I can imagine a guard's job can be boring and monotonous. A relative of mine, retired gov servant, went to S'pore to become a guard, gave up in a year.

zinglicious
29-12-2009, 03:20 PM
I think it is from the Belacan they are taking too much in Malaysia. :D :D

jan tomaswaki
29-12-2009, 03:40 PM
I think it is from the Belacan they are taking too much in Malaysia. :D :D
No lah it's the roti canai makes them fat and sleepy (poppy seeds)Gurkhas guard are train in war combat & willing to protect the boss.During the Falklands war,when the British sent the Gurkhas,the Argies shivers.

tupai
29-12-2009, 04:16 PM
the influx of cheap foreign workers (in many sectors) is due to a gomen endorsed policy of awarding some 200+ licenses to those with 'cables'.

These companies make lot$a$$$ from both sides: the incoming labourers as well as from the employers.

My fren's co was approached for the umpteen time by these vulture-like companies offering a mere Rm1000 net per head for any imported arms&legs kinda workers (nto just country peasants/farmers, there are also many of whom are qualified in teaching, technical fields etc). The RM1000 is apid to the co who will then pay the imported labourer rm600-700 max. Theer is no epf, no insurance, no socso. etcetc...they might be provided with lodging but betcha the single bed is also on a shift basis.

Lucky my fren's is doing his "national service" by employing 100% X 200+malaysians (min pay take home RM1500+epf+cola+socso+insuran+bonus+etcetc)
And Woe be those who said locals cannot work lah, Ponteng lah!, MIA lah, ular lah etcetc...All these bad habits reflect on the lack of proper recruitment, training, managerial control etcetc over the local workers.

I am happy to be the middle man for those who need to engage hardworking, loyal, kerja halal local workers. BUT pay me!

Yang Berkhidmat utk negara yg aman latotupai

p/s Have a thought for this foreign workers when u come across one. They came a long way to earn pittance. :rolleyes: :p

zinglicious
29-12-2009, 04:21 PM
Finally with this Tupai statement can I conclude the question by USJ27- boon to the agents or ministry frends who make tons of monies and bane to the Malaysia people and economy.

bslee
29-12-2009, 04:33 PM
I just don't see much difference between the auto import AP issue and this.
Its all the doing and evils this regime allowing this country to suffer whilst the privileged few gets obscenely wealthy by all this the easy way.
Nothing more to be said, THIS LAND IS GOING OR already in the GUTTERS!
Go be proactive to GnG issues instead.

tupai
29-12-2009, 05:28 PM
I just don't see much difference between the auto import AP issue and this.
Its all the doing and evils this regime allowing this country to suffer whilst the privileged few gets obscenely wealthy by all this the easy way.
Nothing more to be said, THIS LAND IS GOING OR already in the GUTTERS!
Go be proactive to GnG issues instead.

YUP! This is yet another one of the scandals most likely linked to those with rich&powerful friends in putrajaya. My view: these licensed labor-import companies are just 1 rung below the vulture-human trafficking level.

rememember not too long ago when hundreds if not thousands of indian& paklistani 'workers' were strandled and housed in plywood makeshifts in the klia multistorey carpark? Scandalous to say the least...These poor sods came in on a promise, with nice paying job, only to find out that there isnt any job awaiting them. :eek: I betcha many of these pendatangs are now working illegally everywhere.

2years ago, I was thoroughly embarassed when an expat CEO told me that he and his CFO& team went with the agent, to view a warehouse to let in bkt beruntung. What he saw at the, yet to be vacated, 20,000sqft warehouse was hundreds of indian nationals living in his words: "almost squalid environment. Sleeping mats on the floor. small stoves cooking everywhere. makeshift toilets and open bathing area within the compound. Laundry hanging here & there. And the smell..."

Aisey! I so malu that our elected gomen allow this to happen time and again, in the name of fulfilling a society and developmental need. Really MALU big time. Malaysia Boleh indeed!

Yang Bersimpati with 'em foreign workers latotupai :o

currymee
29-12-2009, 11:21 PM
Done correctly and properly - it is a boon, otherwise, it will end up as a bane :(

USJ27Resident
30-12-2009, 11:07 PM
YUP! This is yet another one of the scandals most likely linked to those with rich&powerful friends in putrajaya. My view: these licensed labor-import companies are just 1 rung below the vulture-human trafficking level....
BINGO!!! right on the ball....

lets all hope that when the next GE comes - we can send all these vultures to hell... and start the real one MALAYSIA rolling....

bslee
30-12-2009, 11:26 PM
we can send all these ......... to hell... and start the real one MALAYSIA rolling....

You better pray and hope (whichever comes first) it happens, otherwise sit back and tolerate more lonsense to come. And thats only Chapter 1.

msiablueskies
31-12-2009, 01:41 AM
You better pray and hope (whichever comes first) it happens, otherwise sit back and tolerate more lonsense to come. And thats only Chapter 1.

correct correct ( sound like lingam ) :D :D :D :eek:

mohua
09-01-2010, 01:31 AM
Kinda made me think about it - are Msian employers taking the easy way out to increase their profits and keep overheads low by employing 'cheap' foreign labor instead of hiring locals... :rolleyes:

I was kinda suprised when I went to USJ17 7-11 and attempted to buy some stuff and when I spoke in Malay, the guy stammered and said "no speak Bahasa" only to find out that the fella was a Nepalese, working there... then I went for lunch in TGIF and guess what... the waitress was an African lady. Yup... African! For a moment I thought I was in South Africa! Went to a 5 star hotel in KL - eh.. oso got Filipina waitress...

Whats happening to Malaysia man! ...at this rate, no wonder Malaysians are running away and overstaying overseas - working there since there are no more jobs available for them here...

Question is, how are these foreigners getting employed... aren't there rules about employing foreigners or are these employers taking advantage of lax enforcement by the Immigration fellas... or have employment agencies now broaden their scope of cheap labor - with help from their 'guardian angels' :mad:

As a proud Malaysian, will you or any other fellow Malaysian join the construction industry & do the back-breaking job for peanut pay? Suppose all foreigners leave, how will the builders make up for that 7% discount? Foreigners are coming because there is a demand for cheap labour, as simple as that.

USJ27Resident
09-01-2010, 02:11 AM
Foreigners are coming because there is a demand for cheap labour, as simple as that.

the demand comes from employers and factories and plantations that wanna make heaps of profits... at the expense of these cheap labourers.... and unwittingly, at the expense of the average malaysia in the street.... who cannot demand/expect higher & better salaries... all jobs taken by all these foreig

tupai
09-01-2010, 08:06 PM
the demand comes from employers and factories and plantations that wanna make heaps of profits... at the expense of these cheap labourers.... and unwittingly, at the expense of the average malaysia in the street.... who cannot demand/expect higher & better salaries... all jobs taken by all these foreig

....and if the gomen withdrew the import license for all the 'unnecessary' labourers, the local manufacturers etc will have no choice but to recruit locals OR even to work on it themselves!

DO you see how many cheap labour are frying your char-kawi-teow? Working in convenient stores?in fast food outlets? in many many service sectors?

Yes, locals get higher pay and along the way, we pay more BUT then again, our bosses will also pay us more! :D

Yang Bayar lebih latotupai