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jeffooi
05-11-2002, 08:56 AM
THE STAR
Tuesday, November 05, 2002

<FONT SIZE="+1">Highway speed limit to remain at 110kph</FONT>

KUALA LUMPUR: The Transport Ministry has turned down a suggestion by the Works Ministry to raise the speed limit on highways from 110kph to 120kph.

Transport Ministry parliamentary secretary Donald Lim said studies have shown that the 120kph speed limit was not suitable for Malaysian highways.

“Some local cars such as the Perodua models have smaller horsepower and such a high speed may be dangerous,” he said.


FULL STORY:
http://thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2002/11/5/nation/ytspeed&sec=nation

inertia
06-11-2002, 01:33 AM
In a trip down south to Johor Bahru along the highway, my dad was travelling at 110kmh and then came along this Mercedes, which I found out is the S500 model. The driver is driving very fast, travelling at around 130 kmh, thus overtaking us. I don't mind this super powerful car travelling at this speed, but then, when I looked further I saw a Kancil behind the Merc, and it's on the right lane, chasing after the Merc and trying to overtake the Merc.

Nevertheless, the MERCEDES S500 gave way to the Kancil which insisted on chasing and overtaking the Merc.

I was just wondering what kind of engine the Kancil is using and I doubt it's stability and speed. I could see the car shaking heavily while overtaking the Merc. (then Kancil looks as if is about to fly off)

Whatever it is, I would urge all Malaysians to drive safely. Think of the consequences of an accident. :)

joker2107
06-11-2002, 12:28 PM
many moons ago i was doing 140kmh in a subaru travelling from PD to s'ban. a little white dot appeared in my rear view mirror and soon it zoomed past me without effort. needless tosay, it was a kancil.
the point is not so much how fast a vehicle can run but how safe a vehicle is. for a kancil, its not safe, even at 80kph. at 120kph, even passengers in a volvo, bmw, merc benz are not safe if there is a crash.

shali
06-11-2002, 01:01 PM
I see someone had commented on the Kancil speeding at 130km/h or so. I don't mean to sound mendacious, but at 130km for a souped up Kancil is not that fast. A works Kancil can zap you at or near 160km/h.

Now on a different note:

The usual speed limit of a given road stretch is determined when you take into account of an extremely bad and vicious thunder storm - ribut taufan, when you are driving. After driving in such difficult conditions, try going faster than 110 and you get the picture.

So don't easily say 110km is too slow (I know it's irritating, I have tried 225km/h in a Porche). It was set on the assumption that you were driving on that stretch during a very bad weather, with water pool everywhere. If you drive over 110km in bad downpour, you will aquaplane and...simply...die, ABS or not.:cool:

joker2107
07-11-2002, 12:49 PM
speed fiends like me is only one side of the coin. more importantly is the drivers who think that as long as they do not exceed the speed limit they are god. they do not realise that doing 70 on a 110 stretch is as dangerous as doing 160. i would daringly blame road hoggers for more accidents than speedsters. within the city i speed to catch up on time wasted behind drivers who can't decide if they wanna go straight or make a turn or to beat the idiots who crawl approaching a green light and then speed up to just beat the red.

for the average car on msian roads, top speed may be well over 150kph. but such speed ability does not have corresponding and supporting road holding dynamics cos the vehicles are simply not meant for it. try taking a 20 degree curve at 110 even on dry roads (not in shali's porsche). capable speeds are much higher than normal operating speeds so that the engine does not have to slog at extreme limits whence life span is threatened.

since shali mentioned thunder storms, to all readers who still use their hazard lights while driving in the rain, please please please disconnect your hazard lights immediately after reading this. its not only illegal, but running hazard lights causes dis-illusions and are more dangerous than running 120 on wet roads with purpose built wet rubbers.

shali
07-11-2002, 01:25 PM
Joker2107 - I can't put it better than you. I suspect that you are a knowlegeable chap, and who knows, we might meet one fine day.

Correction though - I do NOT own a Porche. It was a friend's 911 Carera and I have tried all, but failed to steal the car :):p

xweird
07-11-2002, 01:31 PM
What would you say if this person going slow in the city is because he/she is not familiar with the roads? Maybe it's his/her first time there? Maybe lar...

As for hazard lights, yes I agree that they should only be used if your car is stationary. But recently going on PLUS highway in a heavy rain, I notice that even when car lights are switched on, they can barely be seen (rear lights). Maybe this is why some people put hazard lights on.

As for going 70 on a 110 stretch, it's OK, provided you stay at the slow lane.

RM0.02

inertia
07-11-2002, 08:29 PM
Something about hazard lights... I have seen cars of some big shots. Located at the bumper of the car, you will be able to see that they have this badge to indicate that they are ahli parlimen or a car belonging to a judge (some mahkamah thing..... , anyone seen this b4?) They are not accompanied by any police.

I have seen these cars of big shots travelling at fast speed (around 140 kmh)and with hazard lights switched on. Not raining. and it's night time. To keep it short, they are driving fast, hazard lights are on, and they keep on flashing their lights to ask others to make way.

mamma mia. I think KL to JB in 2 hours time ?? :p

About slow drivers, I agree with xweird. If they are on the fast lane, it's dangerous !! Some people just don't know they are slow perhaps. That's why fast drivers should be wary at all times, and therefore, don't speed coz they are such drivers around.
:rolleyes:

kwchang
07-11-2002, 11:20 PM
One more sen on the hazard light maniacs who are, I believe, very frightened people in driving rain wishing and hoping that some idiot express bus won't run them down just because their tiny tail lights are practically invisible in a heavy downpour.

The solution, however, is not to flash the hazard lights BUT simply to affix a REAR FOG-LAMP. Take note of BMWs and Mercs (and maybe Volvos too)- they are all fitted with this extra red tail-light that is exceptionally bright. This only comes on if the driver switches on his fog-lamps. In heavy rain (or fog), this is highly efficient to help in being noticed. It does not flash to create the illusion of a broken down vehicle.

Just as the third brake light, I think JPJ should make this a mandatory appliance in all vehicles.

jeffooi
11-11-2002, 07:09 AM
NEW SUNDAY TIMES
Sunday, November 10, 2002

Traffic fines: Raise speed limit, says Malacca CM

KUALA LUMPUR, Nov 9: BOTH had outstanding traffic fines. But while Kedah Menteri Besar Datuk Seri Syed Razak Syed Zain apologised for not paying up, Malacca Chief Minister Datuk Seri Mohd Ali Rustam wanted the speed limit raised to 160kph for luxury cars.

...In Malacca, Mohd Ali said the current speed limit of 110kph was no longer suitable, and proposed that it be capped at 160kph downwards, depending on the capacity of the cars.

He said it was not suitable for high-powered cars like Mercedes Benz and BMWs to travel at slow speed on highways.

FULL STORY:
http://www.nst.com.my/Current_News/NST/Sunday/Frontpage/20021110082239/Article/

joker2107
11-11-2002, 12:00 PM
i'd love him, that tuk mar. i'll be waiting for the autobahns down south. look forward to taking my eyes off the speedo whenever i'm between alor gajah and ayer keroh. i woudn't mind the toll then.

jeffooi
11-11-2002, 01:07 PM
Please spare a minute to take a poll at www.usj.com.my:

POLL QUESTION:
Posted on Nov 11, 2002

Must V.V.I.P.s be allowed special speed limit of 160kph on the expressways small-car owners are using?

( 1 ) Yes - they risk they pay
( 2 ) Yes - they rush as they are busy
( 3 ) No - they risk others
( 4 ) Say NO to double standards

joker2107
11-11-2002, 03:16 PM
( 5 ) Yes - the replacement for VVIPS is too slow.

PS sorry Jeff, its kind of hard for a joker to not laugh out loud.

CH
11-11-2002, 05:50 PM
Ahah! Now you are talking!

I cannot forget that between Alor Gajah and Air Keroh, the stretch is having a speed limit of 90 km/h for the reason that the stretch is having a side wind - angin lintang, which claimed to be strong and dangerous to fast moving vehicles. And not to mention a lot of people receive speeding tickets for driving 110 km/h along that stretch.

Talking about that, the indicator for the wind along that stretch has been missing for quite a while - is it because now the wind is no longer a danger to moving vehicles or our cars are more resistant to side winds?

Roy883
11-11-2002, 11:37 PM
I personally and honestly feel that instead of focussing on the debate of whether or not we should increase the speed limit to 120kph,... what the authorities should be looking at, is correcting all the absurd speed limits in some spots in the country. Along the North-South Highway, there are numerous spots that are only 90kph and honestly this doesn't seem to make sense.

Secondly, before we even consider increasing the limit to 120kph, let's first concentrate on the safety of our highways first. The trucks and lorries that travel the highway are sometimes so poorly lit that they are a hazard to other motorists. In Australia, the trucks are well-lit. Buses too travel at break-neck speeds. If JPJ can first reduce irresponsible motorists on the highways, then we can look at increasing the speed limits.

I am not against the increase but I strongly feel that some fundamentals have to be looked into first before we address secondarym issues.

jeffooi
12-11-2002, 07:13 AM
BERNAMA.COM
November 11 , 2002 15:10PM

<FONT SIZE="+1">85 Per Cent Of Motorists Say Yes To 120 kph Limit</FONT>

KUALA LUMPUR, Nov 11 (Bernama) -- A government study showed that 85 per cent of the motorists agreed for the speed limit on highways to be capped at 120 kph, said Works Ministry Parliamentary Secretary Yong Khoon Seng.

However only the Cabinet had the final say on whether to increase the speed limit from the current 110 kph, he said.

"This is up to the Cabinet," Yong said to a question from Senator Datuk Mansor Jaafar at the Dewan Negara here Monday.

Mansor wanted to know whether the speed limit on expressways would be raised after the Transport Ministry had rejected the call for the limit to be reviewed.

Yong said Norway had a speed limit of 90 kph while Cyprus,Denmark, Sweden (100 kph), United Kingdom (113 kph), Belgium, Luxermburg, Sepanyol, Finland, Hungary (120 kph) and Austria (130 kph).

He said France had dual speed limits -- 110 kph for wet roads and 130 kph for dry stretches while Germany had no speed limit.

To a question from Senator Datuk Long Jidin, Yong said the Works Ministry had prepared a Cabinet paper on the proposal to cap the speed limit on expressways for light vehicles at 120 kph.

"The paper will be submitted to the Cabinet as soon as views from the relevant agencies have been received," he said. -- BERNAMA


SOURCE:
http://www.bernama.com/B2002/news.shtml?general/ge1111_9

joker2107
12-11-2002, 12:01 PM
wow 110 in the wet - they must be using only p zero rubbers. if they have dual limits here its gonna have to be for day and night. surely u must have encountered countless vehicles, especially vehicles of the extreme sizes, whose rears are not lighted. :mad: umpteen years ago i wrote to the media and spoke to plus about having lights checking at their toll booths. i suggested they sell bulbs and fuses and vehicles not appropriately lighted be disallowed from entering the highways. no doubt it would take quite a bit of legislation to enable this proposal, but i bet my heart out that accident rate will decrease and lives will be saved.

jeffooi
12-11-2002, 12:35 PM
NEW STRAITS TIMES
Tuesday, November 12, 2002

Letters
<font size="+1">Impose minimum speed</font>

I READ with astonishment Malacca Chief Minister Datuk Seri Mohd Ali Rustam's remarks in the New Sunday Times (Nov 10) on raising the speed limit to 160kph for luxury cars.

Surprisingly, this comes from someone who lamented a few years ago that express buses were whizzing past his vehicle on the highway during balik kampung time — a grim fact of life mere citizens see every day on the roads.

I disagree with the suggestion to increase the speed limit. Driving on the highway is akin to dancing in a ballroom. Everyone has to dance to the same tune lest they step on each other's toes and bump into other couples.

If the limit is 110kph, so be it but everyone has to drive at the same speed.

The exceptions are heavy vehicles and buses, but then they are allowed to drive at 90kph, which is tolerable because cars driving at 110kph only have a 20kph difference in velocity, making it possible to anticipate the movements of heavy vehicles. If you drive at 160kph you would have to scan the road ahead like an eagle.

In fact, many Western countries impose a minimum speed on highways. If any vehicle is moving slower, the police will force it to exit to trunk roads so as not to pose a danger to other highway users.

Furthermore, if there is a speed limit of 160kph but only for luxury cars, enforcing it would be a major task. What is considered a luxury car and what is not? Even Kancils can do more than 120kph, making us wonder whether our speedometer is working properly when they whizz past.

In any case, no one is above the law. Ali and Kedah Menteri Besar Datuk Seri Syed Razak Syed Zain should set a good example to the rest of us, not just by paying their summonses but also abiding by the speed limits.

And as my late grandfather advised, if you're late, next time go out earlier to avoid being late.

IDRIS MOKHTAR
Kuala Lumpur


SOURCE:
http://www.nst.com.my/Current_News/NST/Tuesday/Letters/20021112080352/Article/

jeffooi
12-11-2002, 12:37 PM
NEW STRAITS TIMES
Tuesday, November 12, 2002

Letters
<font size="+1">Arrogant remarks</font>

IN reference to the Malacca Chief Minister's remarks on increasing the speed limit, I would point out that speed kills. You just have to look at the carnage on the highways to appreciate the truth of that statement.

Ali's remarks are born of arrogance and ignorance. He seems to imply that a person who can afford a luxury car should also be granted special, however dangerous, privileges.

AIMAN ABDULLAH
Subang Jaya


SOURCE:
http://www.nst.com.my/Current_News/NST/Tuesday/Letters/20021112080352/Article/

jeffooi
12-11-2002, 12:39 PM
NEW STRAITS TIMES
Tuesday, November 12, 2002

Letters
<font size="+1">Speed limit increase should be minimal</font>

THE speed limit on inter-state highways is 110kph. Of late we have heard many pleas to increase the limit to 120kph. Some have even suggested 160kph.

I believe the road system in Malaysia is one of the best in Southeast Asia, but by no means comparable to the autobahn of Germany. It is true that high-performance vehicles can do up to 160kph safely as they are engineered for such performance.

However, it should not be taken for granted, as at the end of the day all depends on the captain of the ship. Just because a person drives a highperformance vehicle does not mean that he will successfully handle it at this level and ensure the safety of other road users.

I do support the plea for increasing the speed limit on inter-state highways considering that most of the current roadworthy vehicles are safer and better engineered than vehicles made 20 years ago. However, the increase should be a minimal 10kph. This may not sound significant but I believe that it will ensure a safer journey for all.

V.G.
Kuala Lumpur


SOURCE:
http://www.nst.com.my/Current_News/NST/Tuesday/Letters/20021112080221/Article/

yokeimmvivian
12-11-2002, 12:52 PM
Originally posted by CH
Talking about that, the indicator for the wind along that stretch has been missing for quite a while - is it because now the wind is no longer a danger to moving vehicles or our cars are more resistant to side winds?

...aiyoh.....cross-wind so strong, indicators got blown away-lah.

:D . so sorry i just cannot resist it.

inertia
12-11-2002, 02:55 PM
I don't drive a car. I was just wondering about the 85 percent of drivers wanting the speed limit to be increased to 120.

To drivers out there, after 'enjoying' the limit of 120 kmh, will we want the speed limit to be increased to 130 kmh in ten years to come ? Will we ever get enough of the limit? Just wondering, coz i don't drive. =)

Just because consumers owns powerful cars nowadays is not probably not an excuse to increase the speed limit. As long as they don't have the mindset of staying safe, whatever car one may have, it's the same.

jeffooi
13-11-2002, 10:56 AM
THE STAR
Wednesday, November 13, 2002

EDITORIAL
<FONT SIZE="+1">There are valid reasons to raise speed limit</FONT>

SPEEDING VIPs have revved up a storm. Reports of mentris besar, chief ministers and state exco members accumulating unsettled speeding tickets with fines amounting to thousands of ringgit over the years are revealing but hardly surprising.

...The pantomime unfortunately masks the real issue: the need to review the present speed limit on our expressways.

The current speed limit, capped at 110km per hour, was set decades ago when cars were of a different genre from the state-of-the-art driving machines on the road today.

The cars today are better designed, better engineered, better powered and safer and they are made to run.

To limit their speed at a maximum of 110km an hour is akin to running a Pentium 4 computer as just a word processor.

Granted that road accidents are mounting and that the number of people killed on the road is unacceptably high in Malaysia, the fact remains that most accidents are caused by human error.

Speeding is only a contributing factor while misjudgment, impatience, tiredness, negligence, poor maintenance or overloading are often cited as the other major causes.

It must be recognised that bad or misleading signage, which has been a subject of public complaints, can also kill as in the recent case in which a grandmother and her granddaughter died after being trapped inside a car because the driver had to stop at a junction to ask for directions.

...While the Cabinet is studying the issue and its implications, we believe there are valid reasons to raise the speed limit to 120km provided that the law is strictly enforced.

Our expressways, which provide different lanes for vehicles at different speeds, are well designed to take on a higher speed.


FULL STORY:
http://www.thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2002/11/13/nation/hbsay13&sec=nation

CH
13-11-2002, 11:34 AM
Shouldn't their license being suspended?

Just a funny thought that came across my mind.

My office was recently hot on the topic of "Mata Kejara" The demerit system that JPJ implemented for traffic offenders.

What is KEJARA (http://www.jpj.gov.my/enf2.htm)


It is a system under which demerit points are awarded to a holder of a driving licence who has been convicted of a scheduled offence or has paid the prescribed penalty under the scheduled offence of the Road Transport Act.


According to the chart, whoever have a speeding ticket will have 6 - 10 demerit points. And for those who have more than 15 demerit points, their driving license will be suspended for 6 months, and 12 months for second time, and another 12 months + rehabilation course for the third time.


Demerit Points Penalty
1. 15 or more demerit points for the first time Driving Licence suspended 6 months
2. 15 or more demerit points for the second time Driving Licence suspended 12 months
3. 15 or more demerit points for the third time Driving Licence suspended 12 months and has to attend a rehabilation course


If this is the case, our speeding VIPs should have their driving license suspended ...

pcyeoh
13-11-2002, 01:16 PM
http://www.jpj.gov.my/blacklist/index.shtml

Can somebody post here the car registration numbers of the VIPs (published in the news) so that we can verify at the above website whether or not these people gets preferential treatment. I got 6 demerit points after settling a summon for doing 105 kmph in the 90 kpmh zone just after the Sunway Toll along the Kesas Highway. Many were caught unaware by the camera under the flyover. I would have put on my widest smile if I have known my photo was going to be taken. But I knew my car did. Thus, I did not want to pay for the photo to verify whether it was me for I couldn't bear to see the smile on my car since I was fuming mad. I believe the demerit points are slapped on me after I dutifully paid the RM 100.00 summon. Last month, they have zeroised my demerit points. Prior to that I was s-hitting bricks when I was caught again. Thank God, this time it was the policeman and I managed to sweet talk my way out. Hey, you guys out there, besides "pick up lines" you need to learn "sorry datuk lines" Thank God, it worked as I need a car in my work unlike the VIPs who are chauffered around.

kwchang
13-11-2002, 03:02 PM
I don't think you can check the list because you need to provide BOTH the IC number and the car registration number. That's a good system as it provides a minimum level of privacy.

BTW, if someone gets their driving license suspended, how does the enforcement prevent that person from driving? I'll bet there are a lot of people on the road with no valid driving licenses (suspended or otherwise)- especially motorcyclists.

CH
13-11-2002, 05:03 PM
You only need either I/C or Car Number. Not both. In the case of IC, you should check on both New IC and old IC.

You can also SMS to find out your Kejara status. Information available at the JPJ website.

pcyeoh
13-11-2002, 06:10 PM
Aiyah....CH spoilt my pleasure in answering KW Chang. I was slow because being meticulous and "longwinded" too, I need to check out a couple of things first and here it is.

KW Chang, wannna a bigger surprise. Not only in the JPJ or PDRM website can you do a search enquiry merely using the car registration numbers, you can even use your mobile phone SMS service to check as well. All major mobile service provider have a link to this website. For MAXIS user, you do this

Access Message and Key in JPJ ENG RN <Car Plate No.>
E.g. JPJ ENG RN ABC1234
For Maxis(I don't know about postpaid) users, send to 32020.
For other operator, please check with your service provider

You must not include any space or special characters in Car Plate Number.

I did that just 10 minutes ago to check my car number and I got this as a reply in less than a minute.

RN :ABC1234
Date : 11/12/02 (their date is month/day/year format and somehow MAXIS is one day behind!!)
JPJ Blacklist : NO
PDRM Blacklist : NO
For further info, go to JPJ counter.TQ

Talk about security or privacy!!! So next time if somebody offended you "traficcally", send a SMS of his car number and see if he has been blacklisted. If yes, I suggest you add one more to his credentials. By the way, I forget to tell you this. Every enquiry will cost you 50 sen. So KW Chang, you owe me a teh tarik so settle the score for being a doubting Thomas.

kwchang
14-11-2002, 01:01 AM
OK-lah, you guys are right.
I did not try the enquiry and assumed that since there were slots to fill in IC and registration numbers, my cow sense told me that they needed both. That would have been the way I'd design the database enquiry to exclude busy-bodies. Hence I take back what I said and I'd say I had over-rated the intelligence of the DB-master! ;)

Well, we can now all go to Taipan to note down the registration plates of the people who double-park and list down all their demerits on this Forum (together with their registration numbers of course).

jeffooi
14-11-2002, 10:29 AM
Discussionon demerit system can start in a new, separate thread.
<font size="+1">Let's get back on the original topic:
Should speed limit on expressways be raised?</font>

NEW STRAITS TIMES
Thursday, November 14, 2002

<font size="+1">Change driving habits and place emphasis on safety of children</font>

WITH due deference to the office of the Chief Minister of Malacca, I was appalled by his suggestion that speed limits should be capped at 160kph downwards, depending on the capacity of the cars (NST, Nov 10).

Luxury cars, he believes, should not be forced to travel at slow speeds on highways. Being an expatriate working here in your beautiful country and with four decades of accident-free driving behind me, I am saddened daily by the sights I see on the roads. There is road hogging, road rage, overtaking on the left, tailgating, unfit vehicles (especially lorries), dangerous loads, sudden swerving out to overtake, zigzagging, poor (or no) signalling and unfit vehicle lights.

Most frightening of all is seeing children standing in the front or freely leaning over the back seats looking out. Have the parents no sense? Don't they know what will happen to their children if the brakes are applied suddenly or in case of a collision? It is so incongruous to witness these highly dangerous foibles on the highways and then actually meet the drivers at resting areas. They in fact turn out to be extremely nice and normal people! Add to all this the fact that the highway authorities seem to have forgotten that giving ample warning of obstacles ahead (road works, etc) would reduce accidents, minimise jams and assist in the free flow of traffic.

The driving culture has a long way to go before anyone driving a powerful (or any other) vehicle at 160kph can be considered safe for either himself or other road users.

The North-South Expressway is predominantly a dual carriageway. Even in European countries with highly sophisticated traffic systems, two-lane highways have strict speed limits, certainly none as high as 160kph (even in Germany).

The fabled "no speed limit" stretches in Germany are those with a minimum of three lanes. There, as in other countries, heavy vehicles are not allowed to use the third or fourth lane, providing thus at least one lane for fast moving cars. Drivers are highly adept and disciplined in lane use and in predicting distances versus speed. Even if luxury car drivers here were properly trained to handle their vehicles at this speed (which I doubt is the case, generally speaking), the roads and other road users are unquestionably not ready for this yet.

How many times have we all seen the young (and extremely inexperienced) offspring of the well-heeled spinning around in daddy's Merc or BMW? It doesn't bear thinking about if the law gave them a 007-style licence to kill, which is what such a move would surely do.

Rather than using taxpayers' money to start a bloodbath, the Chief Minister should set about changing road culture and emphasising road safety. A strictly enforced legal requirement for children to be securely belted up would be a good start!

D.M.


SOURCE:
http://www.nst.com.my/Current_News/NST/Thursday/Letters/20021114083120/Article/

jeffooi
14-11-2002, 10:34 AM
NEW STRAITS TIMES
Thursday, November 14, 2002

LETTER
<FONT SIZE="+1">Credit Ali for being honest</FONT>

I REFER to comments by both Idris Mokhtar and Aiman Abdullah (NST, Nov 12) on Malacca Chief Minister Datuk Seri Mohd Ali Rustam’s remarks (NST, Nov 10) on the raising of the highway speed limit to 160kph.

It is rather distasteful that the latter has remarked that the Malacca Chief Minister's remark was "born of arrogance and ignorance".

For those of us who know him personally, Ali is a decent, soft-spoken and upright politician. However, he is quite outspoken and direct. And what is wrong with that? When he spoke on the speed limit on present highways he was making an observation that all of us have made from time to time.

One should give credit to this man for being honest to himself and the rakyat and speaking from his heart rather than being a hypocrite, like so many of our politicians and office bearers of non-governmental organisations who "hunt with the hounds and run with the hares".

He argued on behalf of those of us using the North-South Expressway regularly who find the speed limits stated quite inexplicable and unjustifiable in "present road conditions".

Some stretches are 90kph while long stretches where neither "man nor animals move or breed" are inexplicably between 90 and 110kph.

If one is arguing from the safety aspect, Malaysian statistics will clearly show that in the majority of fatal accidents, negligence and recklessness take place more on trunk and city roads in comparison with those on the highway.

Yet, the concentration of the police speed traps and units are on the North-South Expressway and this is inexplicable! I would rather pay any speeding fine and drive fast beyond present ridiculous speed limits and get out of certain stretches speedily rather than reduce the speed and either "fall asleep at the wheel" or become a target for highway robbers or other kinds of felons Malaysia is famous for! Policymakers should not forget that the rationale behind the construction of highways is to get its users who pay for this "service" to move from point to point safely and speedily! And in Malaysia, highway usage does not come cheap either.

Between the toll chargers, the speed traps and "lurking thieves and robbers", travelling on Malaysian highways is a very expensive affair.

There is no reason for any quarter to get upset if there is a call to raise the speed limit. And raising the present speed limit to 160kph for all vehicles, except heavy vehicles, tankers and public transport, is not unreasonable, given present "ground conditions".

JACOB GEORGE
Subang Jaya


SOURCE:
http://www.nst.com.my/Current_News/NST/Thursday/Letters/20021114083450/Article/

joker2107
14-11-2002, 12:57 PM
it amazes me that d.m.'s politically correct and practically accurate and cultured response finds opposition from some learned people. do we need the more direct and apt descriptions spelled out by aiman abdullah to tell the few show offs what the rest of the world think of them? :p

in addition to road safety concerns, speeds in excess of 100kmh are generally not efficient. fuel consumption escalates logarithmatically as speed increases. this translates into wastages, not just of fuel, but the foreign exchange and govt subsidies incurred in bringing the fuel to the pump. :rolleyes:

there's also the pollution aspect - unburnt fuel that disappears into the environment to nibble away at the hole in the ozone layer. as a chief minister, i belief that agenda 21 is within his portfolio. i mean, i hope he knows what agenda 21 and rio convention etc is all about. :confused:

it would be dooms day if mankind were to give in to the whims and fancies of the extremely few who swear on their fat wallets and snigger at the majority who would never have a chance to set foot in a luxury vehicle let alone drive or own one. :( :mad: :( :mad:

kwchang
14-11-2002, 02:43 PM
:) That reminds me of the time when there was a fuel crisis and the USA imposed a speed limit of 55 mph (works out to about 90 km/h) on their freeways. The reason was purely economics - at that speed, cars in general are running at its optimal efficiency and wastes less fuel. I have tried it travelling KL-Ipoh when I was posted to Ipoh - I got consumption rates like 55 mpg (miles per gallon) just "crawling" along at 90 km/hr using my ol' Ford Laser 1.5 ! I can bet that the Protons and Wiras guzzle 35 to 40 mpg (or less?) nowadays, shooting 110 km/hr on the highways. Man, that was great (they didn't have the N-S PLUS Hi-way then).

jeffooi
15-11-2002, 09:36 AM
NEW STRAITS TIMES
Friday, November 15, 2002

Letters
<font size="+1">Leadership by example?</font>

I AM utterly amazed by the statements made by the Malacca Chief Minister concerning the speed limit issue.

Having been caught with their pants down — not only with so many summonses and, worse, they have remained unpaid for years — these leaders, instead of being ashamed of themselves for breaking the law that they are duty-bound to protect and enforce, have the temerity to suggest that people with cars that have that power and capacity should be allowed to drive up to 160kph on our highways!

Perhaps, since being elevated to power, they will not have to drive Kancils and Kelisas and, as such, have no idea what ordinary lawabiding drivers and their families go through on the highways — being bullied by buses, lorries and even high-powered VIP cars.

Not once since the NST highlighted these speed fiends has any of them apologised for their actions.

Instead, we have suggestions that our highways should be turned into autobahns like in Germany.

Ironically, not even the law-breakers from the holier-than-thou Opposition have expressed any remorse. On the other hand, they have all supported the police in their search-and-arrest operations and other methods of bringing ordinary people who failed to settle their traffic summonses on time to justice!

Why the police have not acted earlier against these VIPs is also very troubling. Are VIPs entitled to receive special treatment from ordinary Malaysians? Are they allowed to break the law and remain free, while the rest of the population faces midnight arrests, court action, incarceration, blacklisting, refusal to renew licences and other punishment?

People's behaviour on the road is a reflection of their citizenship responsibility. If they are allowed to break the law with impunity on the road, so often in clear visi-bility of others and still get away with it, what is there to stop them from doing worse things on the quiet when nobody is watching them? If this is the state of our society at the moment, the barometer is clearly pointing the wrong way.

And, for government leaders to behave this way is simply not acceptable.

Whatever happened to leadership by example?

J.A.
Petaling Jaya


SOURCE:
http://www.nst.com.my/Current_News/NST/Friday/Letters/20021115082728/Article/

jeffooi
15-11-2002, 09:39 AM
NEW STRAITS TIMES
Friday, Novemver 15, 2002

Letters
<font size="+1">Should motorists endanger their lives for VIPs?</font>

AFTER the hassle that ordinary people had to go through to settle their traffic summonses recently, it was disheartening to read about the numerous traffic summonses which have not been settled by VIPs who include Chief Ministers, State Executive Councillors, etc.

From the figures released, it is obvious that they are frequent offenders. But look at the amount of fines imposed.

VIPs seem to have been accorded special discounted rates. For example, for 22 summonses, the total amount imposed on Malacca Chief Minister Datuk Seri Mohd Ali Rustam was RM1,190 which averages out to be RM54 per summons.

This is a fraction of what other motorists had to fork out.

I would like to share my experience regarding VIP/VVIP cars escorted by police outriders.

On a number of occasions, I have seen police outriders escorting VIPs come charging with their sirens blasting away and rudely shout at motorists at congested traffic lights, as if telling them to scamper off.

On one occasion, I even saw an outrider kicking the side of a car. At traffic lights, it is not that motorists do not want to give way to VIPs; more often than not, there is no space to move aside.

In such a situation, I have often wondered whether ordinary motorists are supposed to endanger their lives to satisfy the ego, arrogance and impatience of VIPS and their outriders accompanying them?

W.N.L.
Malacca


SOURCE:
http://www.nst.com.my/Current_News/NST/Friday/Letters/20021115082626/Article/

edteam
16-11-2002, 08:15 AM
THE STAR
Saturday, November 16, 2002

<FONT SIZE="+1">MMA: Don’t increase highway speed limit</FONT>
By A. LETCHUMANAN and DEVID RAJAH

PETALING JAYA: The Malaysian Medical Association (MMA) has expressed concern over the government’s plans to increase the speed limit on the highways in the country.

Its president Datuk Dr N. Athimulam said the time saved by the highway users with higher speed limits could not be justified if the real possibility of an increase in road fatalities existed.

He said higher speeds also meant that the time needed for drivers to bring their vehicle to a halt would be reduced.

“Studies worldwide clearly show that speeding is the main cause of road accidents and could contribute up to 30% of all fatalities,” he said, adding that in 1996, a US study estimated 13,000 lives were lost due to speed-related incidents.

Dr Athimulam said studies had worked out that for every one kph increase in speed, there is a three per cent increase in risk of injury-related accidents.

“Thus increasing the speed limit by 10km/hr in our highways could result in a 30% rise in accident and injuries. This figure could increase by another five per cent per kph speed in adverse wet road conditions,” he said.

Dr Athimulam said the rescue mechanism for treatment and transfer to hospital in the event of a crash was also not widely established in the country.

In Malacca, the state Go Kart Club expressed support for Chief Minister Datuk Seri Mohd Ali Rustam’s proposal that the speed limit for high performance cars (HPCs) be increased.

It’s president Datuk Naim Mohamad said the current speed limit of 110kph was not practical for high-powered cars.

He said the advanced technical research, design and engine capacity of high performance cars enabled them to speed without compromising on safety features.

“Speeding is not one of the main causes of accidents but carelessness is,’’ he said, adding that with good and modern highways the current speed limit must be reviewed.

However, Naim said the current speed limit must be maintained along identified killer stretches.

He said in the case of politicians, there is a need to get to places fast, adding that those with or HPCs should be given the right to travel fast on the highways.


SOURCE:
http://www.thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2002/11/16/nation/lnmma&sec=nation

joker2107
16-11-2002, 11:04 AM
"“Studies worldwide clearly show that speeding is the main cause of road accidents and could contribute up to 30% of all fatalities,” he said, adding that in 1996, a US study estimated 13,000 lives were lost due to speed-related incidents. "

unfortunately the statement does not mention the fact that speeding is defined as exceeding legally permitted speed limits and most speed limits are a miserable 50kph. i think even bicycles can achieve this speed.

another omission is that in msia most accidents occur at speeds below 100kph. and the ratio of accidents on 110kph stretches to lower speed limit roads is profoundly against lower speed limits.

the last observation may correspond to the possibility that the design for the non 110kph roads are suspect.


"Dr Athimulam said studies had worked out that for every one kph increase in speed, there is a three per cent increase in risk of injury-related accidents.

“Thus increasing the speed limit by 10km/hr in our highways could result in a 30% rise in accident and injuries. This figure could increase by another five per cent per kph speed in adverse wet road conditions,” he said. "

these 2 statements are not consistent. the former may be true. speed does not necessary cause accidents but it inevitably adds to the severity of injuries. the 2nd statement is unsubstantiated and i'd write it off as utter garbage.

as for tok naim, i would apply aiman abdullah's comments about the mlk cm to you too. tell the world that busy (body) politicians rushing off to parliament and official openings etc are more important than doctors rushing to hospitals to save lives. i hope your wife goes into labour while you are driving and you are caught in a jam cos every is observing the round sign board which says 50. or else the surgeon is waiting to perform the ceasarean on your wife but the aneathetist is still a mile cos he was stopped for speeding at 70 in a 50kph zone.

may god bless the cocky and arrogant and those with superiority complex with brains that function like normal and compassionate human beings.

jeffooi
16-11-2002, 12:45 PM
NEW STRAITS TIMES
Saturday, November 16, 2002

Comment:
<font size="+1">High time to increase the speed limit of 110kph on Malaysian highways</font>
Sharanjit Singh

IT has been said that the only thing more dangerous than driving too fast along highways is ... driving too slow!

...However, Malacca Chief Minister Datuk Seri Mohd Ali Rustam went a step further and voiced out his exasperation over the speed limit of highways.

He lamented the current limit of 110kph was just too low and it was about time the Government raised it.

Mohd Ali proposed the limit be capped at 160kph downwards depending on the capacity of vehicles.

His proposal has drawn much response and debate over the matter.

However, one cannot just brush off what Mohd Ali has voiced out.

After all, motorists have also been lamenting how "slow" it was travelling at 110kph on the excellent highways in the country.

...This brings us to the question why the Transport Ministry is reluctant to approve the matter and the answer is best known to them only as they have yet to provide any concrete reasons.

One cannot deny there are valid reasons for the speed limit to be raised.

Topping the list — and as Mohd Ali said — is the fact that one just cannot justify driving at 110kph at all times in certain makes of cars.

It is undeniable that some cars are just better designed and more powerful and are just as safe to drive at 160kph as they would be at 110kph.

To say that speeding kills is also not true and this is evident from the many accidents which have occurred on local highways.

Just recently two people were killed after their car, which was allegedly parked in the middle of a highway near a junction, was rammed by a trailer.

Whether you want to admit it or not, cars today are much safer than they used to be.

...Actually driving the car is the only thing you need to worry about.

However based on reports, some of the tragedies have been attributed to just bad driving habits.

Some are hell bent on using mobile phones and think they can drive with just one hand on the steering wheel while others eat in their car (do you drive in your dining room?) besides having minimal driving skills.

So it is about time those in authority concentrate on improving driving skills of some motorists instead of slowing everyone else down.

The proposal to raise the speed limit definitely warrants consideration and it is hoped the matter would be "speeded" up.


FULL STORY:
http://www.nst.com.my/Current_News/NST/Saturday/National/20021116082717/Article/

jeffooi
18-11-2002, 05:22 PM
NEW STRAITS TIMES
Monday, November 18, 2002

LETTER
<FONT SIZE="+1">Increase highway speed limit to 140kph</FONT>


CARS of today are getting bigger, better and faster. They have the latest technology to give them safety, speed and comfort. Even our Malaysian-made little Kancil can touch 140kmh easily.

I believe we have the best highways in this part of the world. The best in road technology was applied to make them the safest in terms of good road holding and to provide the comfort of a smooth ride all the way.

But it is sad to note that the speed limit of between 60kph and 110kph really does not commensurate with that of a super highway.

If the Government feels that the speed of 110kph is already fast, then it should treat it as a secondary road and take over the maintenance and stop collecting toll.

We pay toll for a smooth, safe and fast journey in order to reach our destination. Not for a tortuous, slow drive to our destination.

People don't want a slow and boring drive. So they break the law by exceeding the speed limit. If the drive takes too long, they lose concentration and can even fall asleep at the wheel. These are some of the main causes of accidents. Speed is only one of the hundreds of causes of accidents.

It is, therefore, suggested that a more logical speed limit of 140kph be recommended for cars, with a 90kph speed limit remaining for buses and lorries. The two cannot be treated as equals.

COMMANDER (rtd) Dr TAN KHAI POH
Seri Manjung


SOURCE:
http://www.nst.com.my/Current_News/NST/Monday/Letters/20021118085550/Article/

edteam
20-11-2002, 06:16 AM
MALAYSIAKINI.COM
12:31pm Mon Nov 18th, 2002

<FONT SIZE="+1">Commoners nabbed, VIPs speed away from police dragnet</FONT>
K Kabilan

During the first Ops Warta in 1992, 22-year-old sales adviser Fong Ooi Lee
was arrested, handcuffed and detained for a day in a lock-up over her
failure to pay two traffic summonses.

At the police station, she was asked to remove her shoes and jewellery. She
was also subjected to a humiliating strip search.

Fong was not a wanted criminal. She had no previous criminal records. Her
only crime was having outstanding summonses for speeding and making an
illegal u-turn, for which she later paid the respective RM140 and RM130
fines at the magistrate's court.

Four years later, Fong sued the police for handcuffing her "in full view of
the public when there was no reason whatsoever for her to have been treated
in that manner".

The police admitted liability and the High Court ordered the government to
pay Fong RM30,000 as damages.

Fong was not the only one that was subjected to such degrading action. Many
others were arrested over their failure to answer traffic summonses or to
appear in court.

The arrests, under Ops Warta, was the result of a crackdown by the police to
hunt for more than 10,000 traffic violators who had failed to turn
themselves in despite repeated warnings.

However handcuffing these offenders became a controversy.

Questionable operation

This year, Ops Warta 2 was launched and police went on the hunt to get the
offenders to settle a total of 3.3 million outstanding summonses.

Errant motorists were given a May 1 deadline, later extended to May 16, by
which they must pay the maximum amount of RM300 for every summon they have
and an addition of another RM300 for ignoring the first summon.

Offenders were warned that warrants of arrest will be issued after a 14-day
grace period and if the compounded fines were still unsettled, police
officers will go to homes, public car parks and set up roadblocks to nab
them - which they did.

In the run in to the deadline, thousands of traffic offenders jammed the
payment counters, some even to the extent of queuing at police stations from
dawn.

However the police action to round up the traffic offenders came into sharp
focus when many, including the Bar Council and de facto law minister Rais
Yatim, questioned the legality of the action.

The issue was over the imposition of the additional RM300 fine as well as
the legal aspects of serving summonses to traffic offenders.

Then in September, the government announced that only about 35,000 summonses
were issued under Ops Warta 2, and from that number, 29,840 summonses were
cancelled as the offenders could not be traced. Later the government said
that a total of 850,000 old summonses were cancelled.

Ops Warta 2 came to an end at that stage. However numerous questions still
linger.

Commoners and politicians

And recent developments indicate that the problems are two-pronged. One
affects ordinary citizens and the other, the politicians who are elected by
the citizens to govern on their behalf.

Considering the plight of ordinary citizens first, it is regrettable that
while the government had admitted that it had failed collect revenue from
its outstanding 3.3 million summonses, it is also adamant in not being
lenient to those who had paid the summonses, especially when it comes to
imposing the extra RM300 penalty per summon.

Those who had paid are claiming that they should be refunded, as it is
unfair that they alone were penalised when a majority of others were left
off the hook.

The government is totally uninterested in clarifying the status of these
offenders, as well of those whose summonses have been cancelled.

And seeking for more details only led opposition MP and DAP secretary
general Kerk Kim Hock to be suspended from attending Parliament sittings for
three days in October.

As for the politicians, it has come to public knowledge now - thanks to a
local daily- that several menteris besar, chief ministers, state secretaries
and state executive councillors have yet to settle more than 1,000 summonses
amounting to more than RM100,000.

Flimsy excuses

State leaders from Johor, Kedah, Kelantan, Melaka, Pahang, Penang, Perak and
Perlis all have outstanding traffic summonses dating back from 1999, mostly
for speeding.

Since the disclosure, these VIP traffic offenders - though willing to settle
the summonses - have been magnanimous in giving excuses for the accumulated
summonses.

Most said the summonses were not sent directly to them, but to the state
secretariats, thus denying knowledge of the summonses. Others, like Kedah MB
Syed Razak Syed Zain, admit of instructing their drivers to speed "in the
rush to get to appointments".

On the other hand, state leader like Melaka CM Mohd Ali Rustam blames the
present speed limit for the 22 summonses he had amassed and wants the speed
limit increased, depending on the capacity of cars, to 160kmph from the
present 110kmph.

He, rather condescendingly, said that it was unsuitable for high-powered
cars like a Mercedes Benz and or a BMW to travel at low speeds.

Double standards

The question that comes jumping out right now is whether the police were
practicing double standards in Ops Warta 2. This was precisely what a letter
writer in a national broadsheet asked two weeks ago. He accused the police
of failing to enforce the law without fear or favour.

Just like the letter writer, most of us want to know why were these VIP
offenders not hauled up just like the rest of us when they had missed the
May 16 deadline? After all, it will not be difficult to gain access to these
politicians.

If the police could put up roadblocks and visit other traffic offenders at
home, why can't and didn't they do the same for these VIP offenders? Is it
because they are people with power and authority? But to answer that,
politicians are not above the law and law is the same for everyone.

Even until this stage, the police are practicing double standards. While
they are unwilling to refund the extra money paid by common offenders,
politicians like Mohd Ali had to pay just RM1,190 for his 22 summonses
(mostly for speeding), meaning an average of RM54 per summon. That's cheap!

Shock treatment

It would have been an incredible sight to see the police obtaining warrants
of arrest against these politicians. Better still if they were handcuffed
like Fong and given a common criminal-type treatment.

That shock treatment would have brought these politicians down to earth,
making them realise that they are after all servants and not masters.

But to expect that to happen would be like daydreaming. Our police will
never do that for their authority and power is exclusively reserved for
commoners - you and I.

The best one can hope is that the police would take the lessons learnt from
the unsuccessful Ops Warta 1 and 2 and do a better job when they embark on
Ops Warta 3 - which they will soon - so that the law is applied justly to
everyone.


SOURCE:
http://www.malaysiakini.com/opinionsfeatures/20021118004909.php

edteam
20-11-2002, 06:20 AM
NEW STRAITS TIMES
Tuesday, November 19, 2002

<font size="+1">No special treatment for VIPs on traffic summons</font>
Firdaus Abdullah

PUTRAJAYA, Nov 19: VIPs, including Chief Ministers and Menteris Besar, do not enjoy special privileges or discounts when it comes to settling summonses issued for traffic offences.

Deputy Prime Minister Datuk Seri Abdullah Ahmad Badawi said today the amount VIPs had to fork out for their traffic summonses was no different from the compound amount payable by the public.

"There is no discount, the (rate) is the same," Abdullah, who is also Home Minister, said when asked if VIPs enjoyed special rates to settle their traffic summonses.

The Deputy Prime Minister was asked to comment on questions as to why Malacca Chief Minister Datuk Seri Mohd Ali Rustam seemed to have enjoyed a generous discount for his 22 traffic summonses.

It was reported that Ali only paid RM1,190, an average of RM54 per summon, while Kedah Chief Minister Datuk Seri Syed Razak Syed Zin paid the same amount for 11 traffic summons, an average of RM108 per summon.

Asked why the Malacca chief minister only paid RM54 per summon while the public were forced to pay RM300 (and at times an additional fine on top of the principal sum), Abdullah said he was not aware of the matter.

"I would not know, you are asking a specific question, you have to find out from the police station in Malacca...there must be a reason (why Ali only paid RM54 per summon), there is no discrimination," Abdullah stressed.

Prior to this, Abdullah had advised VIPs, especially Government leaders to settle their traffic summonses on their own as no one was above the law.


FULL STORY:
http://www.emedia.com.my/Current_News/NST/Tuesday/Frontpage/20021119180023/Article/

joker2107
29-11-2002, 03:47 PM
i just got back from the north using the old trunk road (in protest against the high toll rates despite the megabuck$ plu$ i$ continuou$ly making.

gone are the days when u are bound to come across a couple of accidents travelling btwn ipoh and kl.

this time, i did come across one tho. it was on a straight stretch, superb for doing 120, maybe 140 for a southern cm. somewhere btwn bidor and slim river if i remember right. weather was great, not blistering hot, but bright early evening about 6pm. no kancil or proton was involved. rather there was a beautiful merc with its front ruthlessly caved in.

yeah, big posh cars are safe - the passenger cabin looked intact. but i cannot say what happened to the other vehicle(s) (which were already gone b4 i came by).

is that what our arrogant big bummers want? save their skin but to hell with others?

boo boo boo

kwchang
29-11-2002, 05:20 PM
:D They probably hit a cow crossing the quiet country road. Did you check if there were any barbeque nearby?