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Sentinel
20-12-2009, 10:03 PM
If you're not your own boss and if you're a wage-earner working for a company or a GLC or the garmen, my advice is, protect yourself by protecting your identity on this forum i.e. try not to reveal your nick.

Why am I saying this? Lets just say I have learnt a very good lesson and a few glasses of beer today with a fellow forumer from USJ this afternoon by the Ferringhi beachside confirmed some long-time suspicion lingering in my mine.

During the weeks before the March 2008 General Election, there were one or two political threads in this forum. Political debates was never curtailed. Led by a fellow forumer Joe Gomez, there were some negative threads about our then ADUN Dato Lee Hwa Beng. Due to my bad experience with this ADUN and my poor impression of his performance, I also joined in bashing Dato left-right-and-centre. I was then posting as Greenbug.

I was never ever banned as Greenbug as many thought I was. I switched my nick then because Greenbug was EXPOSED. My identity was disclosed by a fellow forumer to Dato Lee himself.

Around the time of the General Elections I was working as a COO of a public-listed company in Shah Alam. I was called in my the Group MD who told me that I should stop criticising Dato Lee as Greenbug because he is not too happy about it. My Group MD also told me Dato Lee was a friend. I got the message loud and clear. I toned down my criticism of Dato Lee and even switched my nick to Sentinel.

The question then was: Who disclosed my identity to Dato Lee?

I suspected another forumer whom I have seen regularly at the TT session who used to be working closely with Dato Lee. This chap was also close to several other politicians from different sides of the political divide including a deputy minister who was also a potential candidate as CM for Penang.

After a few beers today, a fellow forumer today confirmed to me my suspicion all along. He of course asked me not to take any drastic and rash action. Fair enough. But I told him I need to inform fellow forumers of this forumer whom I understand is still attending TT seesions and still trying to lobby for a position as a councillor with MPSJ. I just don't think our ADUN YB Hannah Yeoh is that blind not to see through this chameleon.

So fellow forumers, if you are a wage-earner or working for others and not your own boss like me now, either be very careful with what you post here or if you still want to hentam any parties or government department, do take my advice, protect your nick.

To the person who did it to me, you will never be a councillor, I will give it everything I have to make sure of that.

lord
21-12-2009, 02:00 AM
Firstly, if you have the balls to criticize or go after someone in a public forum, have the balls to see it all the way thru. Otherwise, do something else better in life. I mean, for a COO to stoop so low as to criticize an ADUN in a public forum, knowing that NOTHING really takes effect after hundreds of condemnation really leaves anyone with any cow-sense to question the kind of COO calibre we are talking about. I would look forward for a COO material to address the ADUN in a different manner and to highlight his 'achievements' latter, or to brag to the rest of us ignorants, like what 'most' braggards do in this forum. Another point to ponder, If you don't have the balls to fight for what you consider is right with the ADUN, why did you have to back down after your MD questioned you????!!!! Do you know that I personally know a lot of ppl who argue here take their arguments seriously, come what may???!!!!!! To blame someone else for your own doings is just as childish as it gets. After talking so much, even you hide behind a nick, Sentinel/Greenbug. You would have my respect if you did 'bambu' the ADUN under your own name; like Tupai, KWChang or even PCYeoh. BUt, as a COO, you hid behind your nick. That itself speaks volumes of your true credibility.

Whether you were hoodwinked by someone who had teh-tarik with you while you were having a go at it is purely your own doing. Qualify yourself cos that person did not not put things into your mouth to say it, NO?!!! You said what you wanted to and you got caught with your pants down for what you said. I mean, how come, of the hundreds of regulars here, you got into problem? While the saying goes, "empty vessel makes the most noise", it is also the same empty vessel that draws the largest attention.

Your advise to Ms. Hannah Yeoh is commendable to say the least from your experience with the concerned person, but just because YOU said it does not mean it has to be true to the iota. Ms. Hannah does not need to take your word for it just because YOU advised her.

Based on your story over 'a beer' or two, it is clear that you dug your own grave in this matter and you SHOULD be held responsible more than anyone else for the repercussions that ensued over your statements.

This forum has had hundreds of individuals with nicks who came and went and to pinpoint one person over the sh!t that you created for yourself clearly does not go well for some of us.

For someone who posts here like there's nothing else to do in life, your actions looks like you're on a witch-hunt on one particular individual. A very un-COO material, in my book for sure.

my humble observation oni..... :D don't get angry ahhh........

fongkimseng
21-12-2009, 09:11 AM
Sentinel = Greenbug - I did not know that .... and I was wondering where Greenbug went to after the last GE ; just like lohmee = currymee :) . I wonder who else has changed their nicks? Whatever your nicks, your contributions and differing point-of-views are always enlightening and eye-openers.

Nick Chia
21-12-2009, 10:02 AM
We are all aware of the consequences and for that I salute Sentinel." Those who know . buy National " - a slogan by Hagemayer , then the distributor for Matsu****a products.

kwchang
21-12-2009, 10:05 AM
Lord, in all fairness, you were calling names and flaming in your post. I am sure whatever you said could be put in a nicer way. Aiyahhhh ..... :(

I just take it that Sentinel wanted to make a Sunday confession ;) :D

lord
21-12-2009, 10:25 AM
Why do I get a feel there's biasness here? He started a topic, I responded to the topic; so?! Where did I go wrong?

Name-calling?! I believe everyone noticed the same when Patrick called the woman IDIOT and he gets away free?! C'mon lah brader Chang, be fair lah. I also post facts with merit too. I'm sure I can be treated like the rest of the 'regulars'. unless you say 'regulars' who post 20 posts on average a day get special treatment? I can't argue with that lah...

bugbear
21-12-2009, 10:39 AM
Lord, in all fairness, you were calling names and flaming in your post. I am sure whatever you said could be put in a nicer way. Aiyahhhh ..... :(

I just take it that Sentinel wanted to make a Sunday confession ;) :D
I am waiting with bated breath Sentinel reply to Lord's diatribe. :D The next episode of revenge of the sith. :D

Nick Chia
21-12-2009, 10:46 AM
Nobody expects LHB to lose in the last GE. His last term was returned without a fight on nomination day when his challenger was disqualified.

He was defeated inthe last GE by a relatively unknown video taker of the infamous lingam.due to people's power.

Anyway Lord , be careful what you post. Teh tarik sessions does not mean that you are immune to bananas :D

lord
21-12-2009, 10:50 AM
Anyway Lord , be careful what you post. Teh tarik sessions does not mean that you are immune to bananas :D

You care to elaborate, Nick? I'm a bit lost at your statement.

Jey
21-12-2009, 11:21 AM
I'm with lord on this... if he deserves the banana, everyone who name-called on that "idiotic" topic deserves one too. Including the thread starter and me as well as I responded in it too. And Chang, while you're at it give yourself one too, coz a few posts away, you even "saluted" there approving it. :eek:

Use the same yardstick to measure for everyone or else, desist. :mad:

StonTemplePilot
21-12-2009, 11:28 AM
[QUOTE=lord]Why do I get a feel there's biasness here? He started a topic, I responded to the topic; so?! Where did I go wrong?

QUOTE]

There is croynism in cyberworld too, u know? :D

Perhaps the mod gave the banana to you in anticipation of the response u will get from Sentinel... :D In all fairness, going strictly by the rules, i guessed this thread shouldn't have seen the light of day but well, the mod knows best...though i have to agree with most of the points u raised.

Nick Chia
21-12-2009, 11:28 AM
I was under the impression that those days, you used to participate in T.T. sessions with some forumners and moderators. Maybe I was wrong. :D

Fang Su
21-12-2009, 11:39 AM
I just take it that Sentinel wanted to make a Sunday confession ;) :D

You seriously and in all honesty think this was a Sunday Confession?

Penance is a sacrament of the New Law instituted by Christ in which forgiveness of sins committed after baptism is granted through the priest's absolution to those who with true sorrow confess their sins and promise to satisfy for the same. It is called a "sacrament" not simply a function or ceremony, because it is an outward sign instituted by Christ to impart grace to the soul. As an outward sign it comprises the actions of the penitent in presenting himself to the priest and accusing himself of his sins, and the actions of the priest in pronouncing absolution and imposing satisfaction. This whole procedure is usually called, from one of its parts, "confession", and it is said to take place in the "tribunal of penance", because it is a judicial process in which the penitent is at once the accuser, the person accused, and the witness, while the priest pronounces judgment and sentence. The grace conferred is deliverance from the guilt of sin and, in the case of mortal sin, from its eternal punishment; hence also reconciliation with God, justification. Finally, the confession is made not in the secrecy of the penitent's heart nor to a layman as friend and advocate, nor to a representative of human authority, but to a duly ordained priest with requisite jurisdiction and with the "power of the keys", i.e., the power to forgive sins which Christ granted to His Church.

It is a Sacrament. Kindly do not belittle the Sacrament of Penance. You are way out of line.

robertec
21-12-2009, 11:45 AM
Kindly do not use this as an opportunity to whack the moderators.

If this continues I will lockup the thread.

jan tomaswaki
21-12-2009, 11:53 AM
I think Senti was trying to warn everyone if you are working as a employee or garmen just never reveal your nick,that's all.What fuss is it all about.?Dato LWB is formally the same NGO as me,although never closer to talk politics, i only ask him to sign my karate certificates to my students.BTW he is a nice guy next door,though i know alot of coffeeshops owners don't like him when MPSJ tutup their shops for littering.

shthang
21-12-2009, 12:00 PM
when i read the first thread as a cold and neutral reader. there are 3 key messages i received:

1. open declaration of vengeance against 'informer' in a public forum
2. to warn the rest of forummers (especially wage earners) to protect the nicks if you has been whacking the political parties in this forum
3. attending TT session will expose your real identity

First two messages are explicit and the 3rd is implicit. i hv no interest in the 1st message as this is a personal feud between two men and best to take outside of this forum. For 2nd and 3rd, i have a question or dilemma here. If someone (wage earners) voiced the unhappiness or frustration against the ruling party or politicians in this forum, shud he/she attend the TT session?


On the highlighted moderation issue, i know chang has been wanted to moderate like a machine by sticking strictly to the house rules. It it technically impossible as there are far too many posts made in a day and limited resource make it tougher. I do see very few and remote cases of moderation inconsistency but i assumed it's a pure unintentional negligence as i still have the full faith in the mod.

kwchang
21-12-2009, 12:07 PM
Thank you Robert for interjecting ... however, it is not wrong if someone feels he needs to whack the moderator. I am also human and I do make mistakes. If I can dish it out, I should be able to take it as well.

I have nothing to hide and I can assure you I am not protecting Sentinel. Have you forgotten that he hates me even more than your dislike for my presence? So I have no special favour for him. I am only administering the Forum within rules and above board. Furhtermore, if Sentinel wants to tell everyone he made a mistake in the past, why should I stop him? He probably wanted to get it off his chest. Is that advantageous for him? I do not think so. If I am his good friend, I would remove this thread to protect him. So you think I am doing him a favour?

When someone uses the word 'idiot', I will review it in context. I will weigh the situation before I pronounce a banana. You may question why I do not produce a banana in all situations but it is still my opinion and my evaluation of the situation and context of the argument. Your opinion against mine, simple as that.

As for my use of the word 'confession', it was in jest but if I had offended the more orthodox religious sentiments, then I offer my sincere apologies to those of you.

jan tomaswaki
21-12-2009, 12:14 PM
Thanks Chang for explaining all.I think we all should weigh the pros and cons on any subject.Chang is also a human and make mistakes as we all forummers must be responsible for what we put up in this forum.

Jey
21-12-2009, 12:20 PM
Thank you Robert for interjecting ... however, it is not wrong if someone feels he needs to whack the moderator. I am also human and I do make mistakes. If I can dish it out, I should be able to take it as well.

I have nothing to hide and I can assure you I am not protecting Sentinel. Have you forgotten that he hates me even more than your dislike for my presence? So I have no special favour for him. I am only administering the Forum within rules and above board. Furhtermore, if Sentinel wants to tell everyone he made a mistake in the past, why should I stop him? He probably wanted to get it off his chest. Is that advantageous for him? I do not think so. If I am his good friend, I would remove this thread to protect him. So you think I am doing him a favour?

When someone uses the word 'idiot', I will review it in context. I will weigh the situation before I pronounce a banana. You may question why I do not produce a banana in all situations but it is still my opinion and my evaluation of the situation and context of the argument. Your opinion against mine, simple as that.

As for my use of the word 'confession', it was in jest but if I had offended the more orthodox religious sentiments, then I offer my sincere apologies to those of you.

Chang,

What are the "special situations" that warrant obviously rude and hateful words like "idiot" etc, which in your esteemed estimation is Okay to use in a public forum and does not necessitate the dreaded banana? I ask for the benefit of all the forumers here and especially me who am naive in this sort of "contextual" judgement.

What are the rules of the forum which talks about "name calling"? Can you elaborate?

Fang Su
21-12-2009, 12:20 PM
As for my use of the word 'confession', it was in jest but if I had offended the more orthodox religious sentiments, then I offer my sincere apologies to those of you.

I did not mean for it to come across so strong. No offence taken. Have a blessed Christmas.

Fang Su
21-12-2009, 12:29 PM
I think it has nothing to do with 'nick protection'.

It all goes back to what the moderator has warned all in one of the sticky thread that all of us should be careful and be responsible for what we post. If one sees it fit to whack some politicians (or non-politician but companies etc), then one must be prepared for repercussions. Do not start something unless you are prepared to carry it to the very end and there is always a likelihood you may not be the one standing at the end.

kwchang
21-12-2009, 12:30 PM
Chang,

What are the "special situations" that warrant obviously rude and hateful words like "idiot" etc, which in your esteemed estimation is Okay to use in a public forum and does not necessitate the dreaded banana?...
As I had said,
I will review it in context. I will weigh the situation before I pronounce a banana. You may question why I do not produce a banana in all situations but it is still my opinion and my evaluation of the situation and context of the argument. As shthang had said
i know chang has been wanted to moderate like a machine by sticking strictly to the house rules. It it technically impossible as there are far too many posts made in a day and limited resource make it tougher. I do see very few and remote cases of moderation inconsistency but i assumed it's a pure unintentional negligence so we let it be a mystery and my evaluation of the need for bananas.

Jey
21-12-2009, 12:40 PM
So it is left to your subjective decision-making and you had just admitted you were wrong earlier. And that you are a human, bla, bla, bla....With no clear guidelines (since what you consider to be wrong or not is entirely left to your own "fallible" wisdom) how do you expect forumers to know when they are in the wrong or when they are right when everything is a "mystery" now?

When you say you "read in the context", do you mean to say that if the person being name-called is deserving to be name called and that justifies it? And now the word is a good word and you will even salute the person using it?

Also if a moderator is the one doing it, then its okay and It is not name calling?

fongkimseng
21-12-2009, 01:46 PM
I would say if you are ever in doubt if a certain word/phrase may get you a banana - then best to refrain from using it, I am sure there are many ways/words to describe whatever you have in mind at that moment.

Jey
21-12-2009, 02:16 PM
Chang, since you are not able to provide any sensible answers to any of the questions posed, this just goes to show your credibility as a biased moderator and your skewed reasonings to justify it.

kwchang
21-12-2009, 02:49 PM
Chang, since you are not able to provide any sensible answers...
I have already told you the answer even before you asked. I don't have to answer everything from everyone. Nuff said

If it may please you, let me quote yr signature
Never argue with fools, they'd drag you down to their level and then beat you from their vast experience In this case, please do not argue with me because as a fool, I'll drag you down to my level ...

And let me use one of the solutions in another thread on double parking, I give you the keys and you drive this forum for me. Very easy, just go to Jeff's Blog and find his contact. Tell him you would like to have me vacate the admin position for you to take over. I will gladly give it to you. I have much better things to do in my life and there is a life outside this Forum, I assure you

zinglicious
21-12-2009, 03:14 PM
To volunteer for MPSJ to give summon for double or illegal parking, I want to tende for free, but volunteer for moderation job, aiyah, only fools wants to do it. The fools who can withstand a lot a lot of pressure and nonsense. Anybody ever dream of being coming a refree in a football match instead of being the fullback or the strike? Sometimes the refree can be seen biased in giving red cards, sometimes not. Sometimes it is not because of the crowd pressures, but rather he could not see the offence. Remember the hand of God by Maradona? :D
Btw, I used to bantal KWChang, but looking from his prespective, I can hardly blame him. That is why I dont mind getting bananas. Instead I am grateful for it, because after which I served the banarama to my guests and they loved it! :D
Lastly, he is one of the guys who would admit his oversighted mistakes and readily apologised as in this thread. ( He also apologised and even removed a banana after forumers told him that I didnt deserved a banana).

Before more comments and possibly a lockdown ,a song dedicate to the forumers by Robbie Williams in this commercial break.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DbQpSUzEn6I

lord
21-12-2009, 05:57 PM
....To the person who did it to me, you will never be a councillor, I will give it everything I have to make sure of that.

Chang, I just want you to clarify this for me cos I received a banana for saying something similar on the Gated and Guarded thread which I started. Though no name was mentioned, the whole statement is FILLED WITH MALICE!!! Come on, don't tell me you can't see that, my friend.

I have always been a non-partisan in this forum. I call a spade 'spade' and leave things as it is. And I've never questioned your judgement in dishing out bananas. But Sir, I smell injustice here, now. Why, has Sentinel, by his regular posting and boasting, has won a special 'untouchable' privilige in moderation?

This thread, by reading it a couple of times, smells of character assasination towards someone, who may not be around anymore to defend his innocence. A true gentleman will get the contact details of that person and address the issue in private, not boast about his innocence, thinking that he has a set of followers who will 'nga nga' their mouth and take everything that spills out of his orrifice as perfume. And to pass a remark as above clearly contradicts the kind of person the writer has all these while portrayed himself to be, an all rounder who knows everything from the Alpha to the Omega and everything in between.

Jey
21-12-2009, 06:27 PM
Argueing? Me? :D

Chang, I dont have all day to sit in a forum and argue and I stick by my signature.

And after what you have explained, does it make sense for me to continue? I rest my case.

Happy Moderating. :D

currymee
21-12-2009, 07:17 PM
We are reaching an explosive point here .... next post may be ka-boom !!

Hope everyone will take a step back and take a deep breath before we say things we will all regret .... as community neighbours.

fongkimseng
21-12-2009, 07:54 PM
We are reaching an explosive point here .... next post may be ka-boom !!

Hope everyone will take a step back and take a deep breath before we say things we will all regret .... as community neighbours.

I agree with currymee on this. Let's not make angry statements until the USJ cyber-community disintegrates and we cannot even meet in person in teh-tarik sessions or book exchanges or whatsoever. I believe like what SHthang mentioned earlier, maybe, a lot of forumers dare not participate in these events for fear of their nicks being known and then disagreements may ensued especially if harsh things said in forum resurfaced. Maybe that is one of the reasons, why some functions do not receive actual REAL PHYSICAL support - forumers do not wish to be identified i.e. protect their nicks !

kwchang
21-12-2009, 11:34 PM
I had to close the thread earlier because I cannot work on my reply when I last checked the Forum as I had to attend a community meeting in my neighbourhood.


...Though no name was mentioned, the whole statement is FILLED WITH MALICE!!! Come on, don't tell me you can't see that, my friend. ... Why, has Sentinel, by his regular posting and boasting, has won a special 'untouchable' privilige in moderation?

This thread, by reading it a couple of times, smells of character assasination towards someone, who may not be around anymore to defend his innocence....And to pass a remark as above clearly contradicts the kind of person the writer has all these while portrayed himself to be, an all rounder who knows everything from the Alpha to the Omega and everything in between.

Gentlemen, do reflect on this one post by Lord. It says a lot.

As I had said, Sentinel does not like me ... so why do any of you think I am biased for him? All I did was to read the post in context and I see Sentinel revealing to everyone what he did wrong in the past. In that I saw a lesson that is worth learning. Therefore I let the thread stay.

Although he said he "knows" who got him in trouble and he will make sure this person cannot be Councillor, that is only his threat. Character assasination? How? Sentinel did not mention any name .. so who's character is he assasinating? He did not even leave a hint as to the person he was talking about. If you all remember, there were a lot of SJ/USJ residents who applied for the post of councillor, even gave press statements and many of them did not get selected ... can you pick out who is the person in question? I certainly cannot, just from reading the first post.

Now, anyone who posts the name of the person whom he suspects will be dragging someone's name into the mud ... would you want to do that? Sentinel did not.

So my friend, you want me to chastise Sentinel for what?

I also know (because a lot of you had told me privately in the past) that you actually hates the way Sentinel posts to the Forum (note the word 'boasting'). So do you see the golden opportunity to chastise him and perhaps ban Sentinel from the Forum ?

I'd love to remove Sentinel because I would have more peace, less PM with complaints from you lot.

However, to do that would be being biased - the very thing you are now accusing me of. I moderate on fact and situational events. This is one which did not warrant one. Take away your prejudice and hate, see the post as what it is. All I see is a confession to a mistake (about bad-mouthing a politician in the Forum) followed by a small threat. I do not think he could influence Hannah or the political party to stop someone from being a councillor. BTW, he did not promise harm or death ?

I forgot to mention ... this thread will remain closed. I have explained myself more than once. I do not have to but I did it for the benefit of people who may not see the distortion. I shall not explain again. As I had said before, tell Jeff to relieve me from this job. Only he can tell me what to do or not do.