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kuma
17-12-2009, 12:37 PM
Yet again, we are in the News...Boleh Land seems to lead when it comes to controversial news these days :D

According to this BBC News report, which incidentally is the most shared for today....

The controversial "Global Ikhlwan" polygamy club has it's origins in Malaysia and now boasts over a 1000 members worldwide.

It's creation in Indonesia has garnered a great deal of criticism since its inception, but its members think otherwise. Here's what one member says:


Quoting Dr. Puspita:
"It was difficult for me in the beginning, but I knew it was because of my emotions, my desires," she told me. "But polygamy is a way for us to find happiness and love in this world.

"There are a lot of advantages for women in polygamous marriages - we learn how to control our desires and their jealousies, and this brings us closer to Allah."

So looks like Polygamy has its virtues after all ;)

Read BBC:'Club Promotes Polygamy' (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/8412496.stm)

Sentinel
17-12-2009, 12:43 PM
I guess it just have a new member soon from the MP for Kinabatangan YB Bung Mokhtar, the one with the foul-mouth like calling YB Fong Po Kuan as "selalu bocor tiap-tiap bulan" and also making unruly sexist remarks during the debate on Air Asia's stewardess' uniforms.

Jey
17-12-2009, 01:09 PM
Another Malaysian first.. Malaysia Boleh!

bslee
17-12-2009, 01:23 PM
They can marry a dozen I really don't give a toss, but people like that in the highest office in the land and contributing to making a mess of this country making our Dewan a laughing stock ISN'T what I'd tolerate anytime.

Sentinel
17-12-2009, 02:20 PM
This is the guy, MP for Kinabatangan Bung Mokhtar Radin (with his sparring partner MB for Pahang Adnan Yakcob) - this is where our tax money goes to... watch the VIDEO (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dxy7ji65K0o) and be very angry... angry until the next election if you could...

IceCooler
17-12-2009, 02:46 PM
Quite unfair to the women , they (women) should also be allow to practise polygamy . They should take on another husband or a widowee for reason that Men uses too. Maybe a devoted Muslim here could shared their view or the Muslim 's teaching on gender equality .Especially on the right of the female to pratise polygamy .

bslee
17-12-2009, 02:54 PM
Especially on the right of the female to pratise polygamy .

SIMPLE! Its not allowed.

Sentinel
17-12-2009, 02:55 PM
Quite unfair to the women , they (women) should also be allow to practise polygamy . They should take on another husband or a widowee for reason that Men uses too. Maybe a devoted Muslim here could shared their view or the Muslim 's teaching on gender equality .Especially on the right of the female to pratise polygamy .
Polygamy in Islam is practised by men marrying up to 4 spouses. Polygamy as practised by women and espoused by you here do not exist and is a sensitive part of a sensitive religion and thus creating a highly sensitive subject.

I would advise you to cease this discussion if you do not understand the Islamic religion and show some respect to other's religious beliefs without trying to publicly make a ridicule of it. This is just an advice, its up to you.

kwchang
17-12-2009, 05:29 PM
Quite unfair to the women , they (women) should also be allow to practise polygamy ....Maybe a devoted Muslim here could shared their view....
You just showed how ignorant you are about Islam.

Please read this (Admin note - link removed due to suspected trojan in the site) article and go to #3 which explains why it was allowed to marry 4 wives.

In case you are lazy to read.... in the old days, a lot of men were killed in wars. Men were allowed to marry the widows so that they could be looked after as the widows were unable to fend for themselves. It had been misunderstood (or misused) to assume that God had allow men to have more than one wife to satisfy their desires. In fact, this was not the real reason. The permission to have more than one wife is associated with compassion for widows and orphans.

IceCooler
17-12-2009, 11:11 PM
You just showed how ignorant you are about Islam.

Please read this article and go to #3 which explains why it was allowed to marry 4 wives.

In case you are lazy to read.... in the old days, a lot of men were killed in wars. Men were allowed to marry the widows so that they could be looked after as the widows were unable to fend for themselves. It had been misunderstood (or misused) to assume that God had allow men to have more than one wife to satisfy their desires. In fact, this was not the real reason. The permission to have more than one wife is associated with compassion for widows and orphans.

Why should'nt I be ignorant ? I am not a Muslim.I am merely making an enquiry on how Muslim view gender equality in todays world. Using an analogy on why muslim women does not have the same rights .

I dont think it is appropriate for you to called me an ignorant and furthermore I assume you are not a Muslim and it is even more inappropriate.

I think you should apologise .

Sentinel
17-12-2009, 11:19 PM
Why should'nt I be ignorant ? I am not a Muslim.I am merely making an enquiry on how Muslim view gender equality in todays world. Using an analogy on why muslim women does not have the same rights .

I dont think it is appropriate for you to called me an ignorant and furthermore I assume you are not a Muslim and it is even more inappropriate.

I think you should apologise .
Your earlier posting showed you are not just ignorant but an ignorant fool trying to play with fire. Just stay off the topic and go to bed early and learn something wise today or go jump off some cliff but don't get this forum or other forumers into a deep cesspool ok. I will hold you personally responsible.

kwchang
18-12-2009, 12:41 AM
IceCooler, I am not a Muslim but I make it a point to be informed. That is what being Malaysian is all about. The internet and Google is there for all to use. In this day of free high tech information services, there is no excuse for anyone not being able to find out.

I am deeply disappointed that a lot of people are so blurr about everyday things that happen around them. What happened to the investigative mind that we have between our ears? Has the education system of our nation deteriorated so much that our younger generations are unable to learn on their own? Must everything be spoon-fed? If that is so, I am very sad to note that we have people who will one day be our leaders (not necessarily political leaders but industrial and commercial leaders) being unable to be knowledgeable.

I am not smart but I do read extensively, I watch documentaries, I check the internet. I could be twice your age but I am still learning.

It is our moral duty to understand each other's religion because with understanding may we live in harmony. As Sentinel had rightly said, please do not ridicule or make fun of another group's religion. What you have done in making the statement of ladies being polygamous is tantamount to ridiculing the Muslim religion. I hope you understand what I mean after my earlier explanation for the basis of Muslims being allowed to take more than one wife.

I only said "You just showed how ignorant you are about Islam" - I did not say you are an ignorant person. Those two scenarios are very different. This is not a case of calling you a name (ignorant) but a statement to say that you have announced to the world that you do not understand our brothers' Islamic religion.

decypher
18-12-2009, 01:13 AM
In case you are lazy to read.... in the old days, a lot of men were killed in wars. Men were allowed to marry the widows so that they could be looked after as the widows were unable to fend for themselves. It had been misunderstood (or misused) to assume that God had allow men to have more than one wife to satisfy their desires. In fact, this was not the real reason. The permission to have more than one wife is associated with compassion for widows and orphans.

Last I heard, Malaysia is not in a war with any other country, but some Muslims are still practicing polygamy (for whatever reason, but it's not for compassion for widows). With all due respect, should religion keep up with the times and revise the teachings a little bit?

zinglicious
18-12-2009, 01:16 AM
I support KWChang statement though he bagi saya 3 bananas. What he wrote was correctlah. Ignorant about issues and igniorant person are two big difference!
The only thing I wish to post here is when a Muslim man takes four wives nowadays, it was not out of being compassions or necessity like during the era of Prophet where wars ravage and made many widows with children sumore.
These days, we read many takes the 3 extra wives -they are young, beautiful and unmarried. :eek:

kwchang
18-12-2009, 01:17 AM
I think you flers better stop discussing the teachings of Islam. Are you trying the patience of the authorities by touching on sensitive subjects?

What I have done is to point to the fact of an original practice but in no way should we go beyond that line and try to question the religion.

zinglicious
18-12-2009, 01:29 PM
Sabah MP leading the way of polygamy - the famous Bung has met Zizie who is half of his age. One rich and infamous , the other young and famous. The combo of Bung Zizie or Zizie Bung?
BTW, he has change of new hair style as reported in the STAR. :eek:

IceCooler
18-12-2009, 01:40 PM
IceCooler, I am not a Muslim but I make it a point to be informed. That is what being Malaysian is all about. The internet and Google is there for all to use. In this day of free high tech information services, there is no excuse for anyone not being able to find out.

I am deeply disappointed that a lot of people are so blurr about everyday things that happen around them. What happened to the investigative mind that we have between our ears? Has the education system of our nation deteriorated so much that our younger generations are unable to learn on their own? Must everything be spoon-fed? If that is so, I am very sad to note that we have people who will one day be our leaders (not necessarily political leaders but industrial and commercial leaders) being unable to be knowledgeable.

I am not smart but I do read extensively, I watch documentaries, I check the internet. I could be twice your age but I am still learning.

It is our moral duty to understand each other's religion because with understanding may we live in harmony. As Sentinel had rightly said, please do not ridicule or make fun of another group's religion. What you have done in making the statement of ladies being polygamous is tantamount to ridiculing the Muslim religion. I hope you understand what I mean after my earlier explanation for the basis of Muslims being allowed to take more than one wife.

I only said "You just showed how ignorant you are about Islam" - I did not say you are an ignorant person. Those two scenarios are very different. This is not a case of calling you a name (ignorant) but a statement to say that you have announced to the world that you do not understand our brothers' Islamic religion.


Your point noted.

IceCooler
18-12-2009, 01:51 PM
For En Buang .Is it Love at first sight (any sort of love like puppy love..etc) , career interest ,hoppy interest ...etc.? http:// Hope it is not only physical -sexual only otherwise it is just my lovable all the time horny golden retriver .!

AllUrban
23-12-2009, 05:15 PM
What I have done is to point to the fact of an original practice but in no way should we go beyond that line and try to question the religion.m thinks that since Islam is the state religion in Malaysia, every Malaysian citizen has the right to ask questions and be informed and curious about Islam...and the differences between Islam as practised in Malaysia as compared to Indonesia and the rest of the world.

I recognize the position that the mods might be in (real or perceived) but frankly, simple questioning and curiousity does not amount to heresy or insulting or going over the line.

It is certainly worth mentioning that there havent been a lot of Malaysian muslim men dying in wars recently. That is not questioning the original concept but the way that it is being applied today, here in Malaysia...and that is a legitimate question.

Yes, there are widows who may become 2nd wives in order to get support from men. But I am quite sure that some of those would prefer to get support from the government instead. And there are likely many people looking for / to be 2nd wives for other reasons.

A large majority of Muslims do not support polygamy and do not believe that it is necessary if governments can provide welfare for families. In many Muslims countries, polygamy is forbidden or strictly limited.

For example, in one Muslim country in Africa, the 1st wife must agree in writing to the possibility of polygamy before the 1st marriage can even be completed...and she must give permission subsequently, in writing, for each additional marriage.

The limit of "up to 4 wives" in the original teachings had a focus on "up to" rather than "4 wives" and the emphasis is clearly on monogamy.

Cheers, m

cskok8
25-12-2009, 09:45 PM
There is nothing wrong with this Kinabatangan guy marrying a second wife. But he LIED when he denied the "rumours". :mad:

Sentinel
26-12-2009, 01:19 AM
There is nothing wrong with this Kinabatangan guy marrying a second wife. But he LIED when he denied the "rumours". :mad:Thats the kind of people we have holding public office who will not hesitate to lie to the public and still get away scot free. Not only the public, imagine members of his family as well.

What I was surprised was the amount of space given to this story... I really do not know whats the big deal about his marrying this so-called starlet. They are so proud of it... perhaps its the old mentality.

This is Bolehland and even the PM allowed this thing to simmer in public and tolerated the spectacle. I guess he cannot comment too with the kind of baggages he is carrying himself... shish! Imagine, what kind of blardy country is this... the police said cannot mention the name of a dead Mongolian lady in a by-election, what kind of nonsense is this country getting into?

besitai2007
27-12-2009, 01:00 PM
Are forumers aware of the fact that during the early times of Yap Ah Loy and the Chinese Kapitans, i.e. the era of the Chinese migrants to Malaya, rich Chinese towkays were taking more than one wife? Polygamy was practiced in China then by the rich towkays, because they can afford it and for reasons known to these towkays only. But there is an acceptable hierachy of wives. The number one wife is the "queen".

A more comprehensive discussion on polygamy and polyandry can be read at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polygamy

EricK
28-12-2009, 11:53 AM
it is started by the wife of the banned al arqam leader ... i remember reading an article the the star a few months back