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Jey
12-12-2009, 06:04 PM
Just hypothetically speaking, if you had a choice to leave the country and migrate somewhere, which one would be your best choice and why? :D

I was thinking about the US sometime ago, but heard bad stories about crime rates etc. New Zealand is another choice, since it has low population to land ratio and actually encourage people to migrate there. London and Paris had crossed my mind too. Any other ideas?

tupai
12-12-2009, 06:27 PM
- LOS: cheap cost of living. Level playing field in almost all aspects. No pendatang-insult.
- Education for children in SiN and second choice Oz and third choice Germany.

Q.E.D.

Yang Berfikir kuatkuat latotupai :rolleyes:

Sentinel
12-12-2009, 07:08 PM
Australia - Melbourne or Sydney.

mykern
12-12-2009, 07:23 PM
- LOS: cheap cost of living. Level playing field in almost all aspects. No pendatang-insult.
Yang Berfikir kuatkuat latotupai :rolleyes:

Yang akan berhijrah kawan blur tupai ... vart is "LOS"?

Jey
12-12-2009, 07:36 PM
Los Angeles :D

Or is it Laos? :confused:

waga
12-12-2009, 07:40 PM
Thailand has always been my choice as tupai has just said....cheap n good living plus other positive factors.....not to work but as a retirement venue.

For the children.....OZ n SIN......quality education and world standard wages

Jey
12-12-2009, 07:40 PM
- LOS: cheap cost of living. Level playing field in almost all aspects. No pendatang-insult.
- Education for children in SiN and second choice Oz and third choice Germany.

Q.E.D.

Yang Berfikir kuatkuat latotupai :rolleyes:

Problem with living in S'pore is that there's just not much you can enjoy or own like owning houses / cars, etc. due to limited space and other scarcity. But I like this part though...
LOS: cheap cost of living. Level playing field in almost all aspects. No pendatang-insult.

Jey
12-12-2009, 07:42 PM
Australia - Melbourne or Sydney.

What made this your choice?

Raikonen
12-12-2009, 07:57 PM
Australia - Melbourne or Sydney.

Sydney better ;)

Sentinel
12-12-2009, 08:22 PM
What made this your choice?
Healthy lifestyles, nice weather, also good for doing business.

Sentinel
12-12-2009, 08:24 PM
Sydney better ;)
Agree. Weather-wise more tolerable than Melbourne.

klutch
12-12-2009, 09:24 PM
Los Angeles :D

Or is it Laos? :confused:

LOS = Land of Smiles, Thailand ;)

I prefer Sydney because they have a better quality of life & I got family there too :D

Jey
12-12-2009, 09:45 PM
LOS = Land of Smiles, Thailand ;)

I prefer Sydney because they have a better quality of life & I got family there too :D

aahhh... ok, heard alot of good stuffs abt the land of smiles too :D
for starters, they dont have tolls like here.

kuma
13-12-2009, 03:07 AM
Bali

Why?

Still can afford a maid, now I will be able to afford a supir [driver]....nice villa probably by the beach...great place to retire and enjoy life.

Good food and drink if you know where to go, nice people AND...

S'pore/KL/Perth just hours away. Airasia got cheap flight, even to Aussie land from there.

chin_wan
13-12-2009, 08:52 AM
Penang Island!

Sentinel
13-12-2009, 12:42 PM
Penang Island!
Welcome bro... there are some nice houses by the beach going cheap in the market if you are interested...

Jey
13-12-2009, 04:35 PM
I see a general consensus of Aussie as a good choice.
What about Kiwiland? Any thoughts....?

Naka
13-12-2009, 04:45 PM
I see a general consensus of Aussie as a good choice.
What about Kiwiland? Any thoughts....?

Those who cannot afford it, go to Kiwiland. It's easier to get a PR there.

tupai
13-12-2009, 08:40 PM
Welcome bro... there are some nice houses by the beach going cheap in the market if you are interested...

I am interested...we move to the next step when u next in town? Or I can ride up.

Just now, i went rondaing around my area. I looked at a semi-d for sale and jotted down the no. An old guy approached me and blahblahablah...then he told me that he just came back from melb,Oz after 'migrating' (as opposed to 'immigrating') there for 5yrs. He cited 101 reasons why he came back with his wife. HHAHAHAHAH...
:D nuthin' like bolehland with its warts, pimples, social-econ 'injustices', of course pendatang remarks aside. :mad:

Yang Bercinta LOS kap latotupai :D

fRaNkY
13-12-2009, 08:57 PM
Brisbane.... next choice NZ ... but must NZ visit first.

Zipper
13-12-2009, 09:44 PM
what about perth? at least it is much nearer to bolehland. Just 4 1/2 hours by flight.

klutch
13-12-2009, 09:50 PM
what about perth? at least it is much nearer to bolehland. Just 4 1/2 hours by flight.

From my experience, Perth is a quiet place; not a happening place. I'm a young man, so Sydney is the place for me. :D My relatives, however prefer Melbourne because its a good place to semi-retire (their opinion!!). Perth is equivalent to a country-side; good place to fully retire & enjoy good wine!

Naka
14-12-2009, 04:17 AM
From my experience, Perth is a quiet place; not a happening place. I'm a young man, so Sydney is the place for me. :D My relatives, however prefer Melbourne because its a good place to semi-retire (their opinion!!). Perth is equivalent to a country-side; good place to fully retire & enjoy good wine!

That's a good description of Perth & she shares the same time zone as Boleh too. http://newenglanddigitalphotography.com/Smileys/default/iagree.gif

tupai
14-12-2009, 09:02 AM
hahahhhaha...*hands wriggling*face broadgrinning*
...Ahhhh! the prospects of all rich fellas emigrating: lower property prices, lower food cost, lower standard of competition, lower stress level to keep up with the fat cat towkays...Ah! such a bright horizon!

Hujan berlian dinegara lain. 'Ujan batu dinegara sendiri. :eek:

Yang Bummy latotupai :p

fRaNkY
14-12-2009, 09:14 AM
If got millions I dont mind going to Hawaii, land of the hula dancers :D

Lots of photography opportunities... ahem... not... the dancers... but the sceneries... Unfortunate, my films didnt survive too many long years... faded films. Cost of living is high... USD800 for a studio in 1991 :eek:

Some of the nice beaches, WWII stuffs, Aircraft Carriers (so big you dont need wide angle lens :D) , volcanoes, hula dancers, fire dances, summer time bikini contast :eek: ... etc.. wah!

jimmyay
14-12-2009, 10:01 AM
FROM UNITED NATION REPORT 2009 (compiled 2007)

Top 30 on Human Development Index Ranking (The criteria included life expectancy, literacy rates, school enrollment, and the country's economy)

1. Norway (Only know about the salmon fish...nothing else. Did Viking come from here?)
2. Australia (lot of Asian like here. And Aussie are used to Asian too)
3. Iceland (bankrupt already?)
4. Canada (damn cold country, can see lot of TVB faces here)
5. Ireland (Guinness anyone?)
6. Netherlands (??)
7. Sweden (Place where Michael Learn to Rock.... my favourite still Roxette)
8. France (LV)
9. Switzerland (nice watch maker & skiing place)
10. Japan (Konichiwa :) )
11. Luxembourg
12. Finland
13. United States
14. Austria
15. Spain
16. Denmark
17. Belgium
18. Italy
19. Liechtenstein
20. New Zealand
21. United Kingdom
22. Germany
23. Singapore (The small tiny island next to Msia)
24. Hong Kong, China (SAR)
25. Greece
26. Korea (Republic of)
27. Israel
28. Andorra
29. Slovenia
30. Brunei Darussalam

Jey
14-12-2009, 10:20 AM
Wonder what number will Thailand be in the list above? :confused:

bugbear
14-12-2009, 10:26 AM
I believe Malaysia is still the land for me. Of course it could have been better but I believe we must make a change where we are rather than to escape. Escaping is easy to do.

irisbaggins
14-12-2009, 10:45 AM
I think Malaysia is a beautiful place to live. We have beaches, forest, mountains etc. Cost of living is relatively cheap if you compare other countries. Transportation is good if you own a car but if not motorcycle will take you places too. If i have a choice I would buy a nice little house along some beach far far away from politics, busy city and polluted cities, polluted people (greedy, mad, angry).....Shouldn't be quite bad.

jan tomaswaki
14-12-2009, 10:48 AM
[QUOTE=klutch]From my experience, Perth is a quiet place; not a happening place.
It a happening place if you know where to go,pubs open until morning (blurp..hic...)lap dancers can be book in a private room of the club,wan tan mee is still delicious...with preserved green chili,fishing is available allyear round,econmy rice still availabe for ASD$6 with char siew,siew yok,BBQ chicken ,BBQ duck,steam chicken together with fried rice -$6 good for 2 pax.Anything else you find missing....But i find Netherlands good as prositution ,ganja and same sex are legal !!!

jimmyay
14-12-2009, 11:25 AM
Wonder what number will Thailand be in the list above? :confused:


66. Malaysia (Boleh?)
87. Thailand
111. Indonesia

For full list...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_Human_Development_Index

Sentinel
14-12-2009, 12:04 PM
I think Malaysia is a beautiful place to live. We have beaches, forest, mountains etc. Cost of living is relatively cheap if you compare other countries. Transportation is good if you own a car but if not motorcycle will take you places too. If i have a choice I would buy a nice little house along some beach far far away from politics, busy city and polluted cities, polluted people (greedy, mad, angry).....Shouldn't be quite bad.
There IS a little house excatly next to the beach with its own beach front at Tg Bungah here in Penang. Its an old 2nd World War villa on a 6000 sq ft of prime land. I have visiting it for the last 2 months every weekend dreaming and contemplating.... but its prime land and location.

Its the last house along a beach road so if you not pantang larang staying at the end of the road... I can show you the place.

irisbaggins
14-12-2009, 12:45 PM
There IS a little house excatly next to the beach with its own beach front at Tg Bungah here in Penang. Its an old 2nd World War villa on a 6000 sq ft of prime land. I have visiting it for the last 2 months every weekend dreaming and contemplating.... but its prime land and location.

Its the last house along a beach road so if you not pantang larang staying at the end of the road... I can show you the place.

Sounds nice. 6000 Sq feet doesn't sound little. I don't think I have the guts to stay there....donno who might visit during nite time....

bslee
14-12-2009, 01:56 PM
6000sq ft is roughly and comparatively to bungalow lots in some old sections of PJ like Sect 5, 11,12,14, like those lah..
My parents home was 8000+ sq ft, built up about half the area, I thought that was decent. (My own POV).
6000sq ft.. ok lah.. unlike the terraced chicken coops here in Subang/USJ.

klutch
14-12-2009, 03:12 PM
From my experience, Perth is a quiet place; not a happening place.
It a happening place if you know where to go,pubs open until morning (blurp..hic...)lap dancers can be book in a private room of the club,wan tan mee is still delicious...with preserved green chili,fishing is available allyear round,econmy rice still availabe for ASD$6 with char siew,siew yok,BBQ chicken ,BBQ duck,steam chicken together with fried rice -$6 good for 2 pax.Anything else you find missing....But i find Netherlands good as prositution ,ganja and same sex are legal !!!

Aiyah!!.. didn't know "The Village" had such recreational places. Should have brought a tour guide with me then. Nevermind, there is always a next time? :cool:

If I were to consider Bolehland; my pick would be (1) Sabah or (2) Penang Island... see how it goes before I make-up my mind. :)

Sentinel
14-12-2009, 03:15 PM
Sounds nice. 6000 Sq feet doesn't sound little. I don't think I have the guts to stay there....donno who might visit during nite time....Its a nice neighborhood and you're next to the sea... I don't fear who might visit but more of the phobia for tsunami. The last time an earthequake occurred with a tsunami was on the west coast of Sumatera... what makes you think this time won't be a direct one on the east coast? Afterall Padang recently was on the east coast (although southern tip)....

The problem here in Malaysia, people do not respect privacy... the current owner has put up a sign saying "No Trespassing... Private Property" on the beach but you still see couples appearing at night and doing their stuff on the beach... maybe I will install a powerful searchlight if I ever buy up this place... and switch it on whenever I think they are 3/4 way in their business... LOL!

Sentinel
14-12-2009, 03:18 PM
6000sq ft is roughly and comparatively to bungalow lots in some old sections of PJ like Sect 5, 11,12,14, like those lah..
My parents home was 8000+ sq ft, built up about half the area, I thought that was decent. (My own POV).
6000sq ft.. ok lah.. unlike the terraced chicken coops here in Subang/USJ.
Lots in USJ is roughly 24 x 75 in the old days = 1,800 sq ft but now mostly 20 x 60 = 1,200 sq ft. So, this land is about 4-5 times the size of a link house in USJ.

tehmc
14-12-2009, 03:21 PM
It all depends on the purpose for which you wish to migrate.
If it's for retirement I'd choose Bolehland.
If it's for children's education, I'd choose Australia.
Canada is too far and too cold.
NZ is too small, too quiet and kind of insular.
Australia is still the most popular - within easy reach, good education, mild climate, high Asian population, sound economy.

royleeken
14-12-2009, 03:35 PM
Try Hong Kong... brush-up your cantonese.... a good and safety place to challenge your inspire.....good pay for career especially for Malaysian!!!!

bslee
14-12-2009, 03:40 PM
Lots in USJ is roughly 24 x 75 in the old days = 1,800 sq ft but now mostly 20 x 60 = 1,200 sq ft. So, this land is about 4-5 times the size of a link house in USJ.

True, the fact is its shrunk so much over the decades. Its usual kampung folk own 1 acre or more in those days, granted by state government as reserve. Middle income folks in PJ can buy or own a decent 5000sq ft easily in 60's or early 70's, then the shrink began later on to common terrace homes we see now, and it shrinks further.
Ok lah.. needless to get into this, if got lots of dough, considering prices now, buy loh..if got money, otherwise we have to cough out Rm200k or more for chicken coop homes here in Malaysia, unless wanna live somewhere rural.
Hahah!.. I can imagine you with spotlights shining on those couples 3/4 way through... What?.. morality raid ah? :D

fRaNkY
14-12-2009, 04:02 PM
The USJ terrace house can be bought in Kuala Selangor and Jenjarom around RM50k :D

With all the furnitures and stuffs there are no place to move around. :(

Sentinel
14-12-2009, 04:07 PM
Why not look at Mauritius? (http://www.mauritius.net/index.php) Its a really beautiful place to stay and do business... especially those involved in international finance and investment businesses coz Mauritius is a free port status.

Jey
14-12-2009, 05:18 PM
What about Brunei?
Heard its tax free and all that...

jan tomaswaki
14-12-2009, 06:33 PM
Try Hong Kong... brush-up your cantonese.... a good and safety place to challenge your inspire.....good pay for career especially for Malaysian!!!!
Of coz with all the dim sum...but a place like your place fetch about RM3million! Think about it. I heard Andy Lau rent a place in Repulse Bay for good feng shui for about RM100,000 per month.

Sentinel
14-12-2009, 06:39 PM
What about Brunei?
Heard its tax free and all that...
Never even think about it... I lived there for 6 years as an expat okay but to migrate there, forget it. Don't think you will be allowed in too, not easy.

bslee
14-12-2009, 06:52 PM
I say for myself. Hypothesis or daydreaming or whatever, I think my chances are zilch, not in this century or lifetime. My kids look set to live here indefinitely too. If ever I had any opportunity and ambition, I should have left here more than 2 decades ago. I didn't have the money either, so I guess I'm resigned to my fate till I kick the bucket. I better just dream of something else instead like throwing my ashes in the ocean. I really dont want any of my remains of me inside this land.

Jey
14-12-2009, 06:52 PM
Never even think about it... I lived there for 6 years as an expat okay but to migrate there, forget it. Don't think you will be allowed in too, not easy. [/FONT]

What are the reasons?

zinglicious
14-12-2009, 07:02 PM
I say for myself. Hypothesis or daydreaming or whatever, I think my chances are zilch, not in this century or lifetime. My kids look set to live here indefinitely too. If ever I had any opportunity and ambition, I should have left here more than 2 decades ago. I didn't have the money either, so I guess I'm resigned to my fate till I kick the bucket. I better just dream of something else instead like throwing my ashes in the ocean. I really dont want any of my remains of me inside this land.

Not really. I can hook you up with some American beauty, get registered and married at Las Vegas and whoopie,....you wait somewhat like 3 months and get a PR visa. After about 2 years ,you get to apply for US naturalized citizenship, voila, you sponsored your offsprings and become US citizens later. :D
If you breed some children in the US, they qualify to be the next President of United States! :)

bslee
14-12-2009, 07:07 PM
Not really.

Thanks, I'm sure you're joking. :) If I were a single person, with enough money, I could do that with some help from some friends there, minus the woman in that equation anyhow. Nevertheless I think its already too late for me.

Sentinel
14-12-2009, 07:09 PM
What are the reasons?
There is more "Ketuanan" than here in Bolehland. The civil service suxx... there is no liquor... non citizens are not allowed to own property nor register a company. Sure, cars are cheap and petrol is cheap... thats all, I can't even think of a third advantage...

Live there as an expat yes like all those retired English teachers from the UK but to live there in retirement or as a migrant, lari jauh jauh lor...

zinglicious
14-12-2009, 07:14 PM
Thanks, I'm sure you're joking. :)
The first part maybe, but the latter parts are the amazing fact and factor which I bred some offspring in USA so they are qualified to be the next President of USA. :D

Eugene Chin
14-12-2009, 09:27 PM
Never even think about it... I lived there for 6 years as an expat okay but to migrate there, forget it. Don't think you will be allowed in too, not easy. [/FONT]


Was in Brunei for 12 years - 1978 to 1990. Understand now they have relax the rules a bit. Went back last Oct to visit some old friends. You can now apply for PR if you are a director of your own company. Another friend contemplating to purchase a 2-storey banglow for B$250K negotiable. Some have applied and are either PR or citizen. A cup of coffee O still cost B$o.50

tupai
14-12-2009, 09:33 PM
many who had the opportunity to live abroad, temporary or even up to 1decade or 2 will tell you that Malaysia is a great place. A place free from natural disasters but shaken by racist politicians. Take these scums away, we have almost Utopia in the making.

Mix around, open thy eyes and thou shalt see many came back including young graduates (of all races). These young people will change our land for the better.

I have lots and lots of malay friends, many are moderate in thinking and liberal in lifestyle. If the capable minority races are not prepared to stay, stand and fight for the betterment of the future generations, then pack up and go...but i'll tell ya, anyone above 40yrs old who chose to emigrate will want to come back...

Think not that the grass is greener out there. And that the heavens do not pour diamonds, and that those who went and live a life fulla boredom, limited friends (malaysian sumore! :eek: , higher cost etcetc will regret the move when the empty nest syndrome kicks in...

Buy me dinner & a few beer@Zing and i can candidly share a story or 2 :D

Yang Berooting@bolehland & holidaying@LOS latotupai :p

p/s but then again, me too have the wander-bug genetically built in :D

pucman
14-12-2009, 09:38 PM
anyone above 40yrs old who chose to emigrate will want to come back...



Mind elaborating and giving example on this statement ?

tupai
14-12-2009, 09:51 PM
Mind elaborating and giving example on this statement ?

which part of "...buy me dinner & a few beers at Zing...", u dont understand? hahahahah. Nuthin' is free in this land of madu, susu dan racun :p


Yang Bercerita tis&tat latotupai :D

zinglicious
14-12-2009, 11:58 PM
There are duty free at KLIA and and MSG-free at Zinglicious , for real!:D

pucman
15-12-2009, 02:40 PM
which part of "...buy me dinner & a few beers at Zing...", u dont understand? hahahahah. Nuthin' is free in this land of madu, susu dan racun :p


Yang Bercerita tis&tat latotupai :D

I don't drink beer, how about chinese tea ?
:o

tupai
15-12-2009, 02:45 PM
I don't drink beer, how about chinese tea ?
:o

aiyah! Again...which part of me as in you "...buy me dinner & a few beers at Zing..." u dont understand? :confused: :confused:

U can drink char-chin, mai-pen-rai.

but...

Yang Beer U BUY ME latotupai :p

Sentinel
15-12-2009, 03:28 PM
Hello Yang Amat Berilmu Latok Tupai... how much is per sq foot of land on one of those nice hills of Chiangmai?

tupai
15-12-2009, 04:16 PM
Hello Yang Amat Berilmu Latok Tupai... how much is per sq foot of land on one of those nice hills of Chiangmai?

*gulp* CNX prime land is within the moat/old gates.
A friend just bought a 5000sqft land with single storey house, just off the Superhiway enroute to Mae Rim, for under Baht23,000,000. Cheap if u asked me. The prop is registered to his thai wife...(the expensive part of the bargain :eek:

The hills yonder are cheaper, plenty of land BUT foreigners cannot own land there. Unless u have citizenship or a Thai Wife (registered as owner of title/land).

They have all kinda very strict rules & regs on property ownership. U can own condo tho more relaxed rules as its leasehold...ditto, u can set up a PLC and move on form there.


Yang Berilmu beruk latottupai :(

P/s I wanna beachland using thai relatives' names....kap. :D

royleeken
15-12-2009, 07:48 PM
Of coz with all the dim sum...but a place like your place fetch about RM3million! Think about it. I heard Andy Lau rent a place in Repulse Bay for good feng shui for about RM100,000 per month.

Repulse Bay are for Rich Tycoon. You can get a good place for around Rm 1000 (rental)....very near to Ocean Park...

Jennylim
16-12-2009, 01:21 AM
A friend had chosen US. She said the government treats everyone as equal, all(white or Asian) are immigrants, the difference - old or new!

What impressed me were,
1. No suppress on new immigrant's mother tougue, the community library conduct activities in many languages to encourage participation - korean, Mandarin, spanish, ....Communication seems to be the priority, it can be in any language.
2. Good welfare - parents don't have to worry about milk power, diapers, childcare - either free or at minimum fee.
3. Good healthcare - even include spectacles for school going children.
4. "pension" for retirement.
5. Good universities.
6. This is what the government said, "We welcome the millions of foreign visitors and immigrants who come to the U.S. each year. They add greatly to our nation's cultural, educational, and economic life. "

Other factors
- stronger currency
- close distance to many developed countries

Sukdershan
16-12-2009, 03:16 AM
A friend had chosen US. She said the government treats everyone as equal, all(white or Asian) are immigrants, the difference - old or new!

What impressed me were,
1. No suppress on new immigrant's mother tougue, the community library conduct activities in many languages to encourage participation - korean, Mandarin, spanish, ....Communication seems to be the priority, it can be in any language.
2. Good welfare - parents don't have to worry about milk power, diapers, childcare - either free or at minimum fee.
3. Good healthcare - even include spectacles for school going children.
4. "pension" for retirement.
5. Good universities.
6. This is what the government said, "We welcome the millions of foreign visitors and immigrants who come to the U.S. each year. They add greatly to our nation's cultural, educational, and economic life. "

Other factors
- stronger currency
- close distance to many developed countries
:) No lah, we just place these racist on a boat, and push them out to the Sea. Oops we give them enough of food supplies for at least 3 days.
They can "balik" from where they came from, and I suggest we also withdraw their citizenship (no point detaining them under ISA, just a waste of taxpayers money). :)

xaviers
16-12-2009, 09:26 AM
Sound like the grass is greener over there. .. sedih la saya

zinglicious
18-12-2009, 01:20 PM
Just found this article from The Star which is an interesting read. In fact, it was estimated that there are 1 million of Malaysians living abroad - permanently! And more Malays are migrating , too! :eek:
http://thestar.com.my/columnists/story.asp?file=/2009/12/4/columnists/whynot/5220846&sec=Why%20Not

Jey
18-12-2009, 01:29 PM
Lets all leave en masse and open up usj.com.my somewhere else :D ;)

.... what a wishful thinking for the new year. :rolleyes:

zinglicious
18-12-2009, 02:51 PM
Then it could be renamed Myindobangsia when we leave enmasse :eek:

ksj_cool
18-12-2009, 02:57 PM
OZ has recently started 'South Asian' bashing spree, many Indian & Paks got bashed for no fault of their. One day they may want to bash up other Asians, so is OZ really the place you guys want to go?

kwchang
18-12-2009, 05:04 PM
OZ has recently started 'South Asian' bashing spree, many Indian & Paks got bashed for no fault of their. One day they may want to bash up other Asians, so is OZ really the place you guys want to go?
I think it is important that migrants try to integrate rather than keep to themselves. I was in Melbourne once and on the commuter train I saw a bunch of South Asian kids. They were talking very loudly amongst themselves in their mother tongues. I guess such exclusive behaviour makes the native Aussies very afraid and suspicious.

tupai
18-12-2009, 05:19 PM
I think it is important that migrants try to integrate rather than keep to themselves. I was in Melbourne once and on the commuter train I saw a bunch of South Asian kids. They were talking very loudly amongst themselves in their mother tongues. I guess such exclusive behaviour makes the native Aussies very afraid and suspicious.

... Or in the very very quiet semi-dees suburb of melb, the bollywood music blasting outta the car stereo , parked along the common driveway and a gang of louder half naked south indian teenagers, on any given weekend! :eek: Police was called on a number of occasions but the din never went away...The Oz senior citizens there are getting really exasperated and I expect troubles. :eek:

Maybe Bolehlander loud, crude and Bo-Chap neighbours should emigrate en masse there, to balance out the din?

Yang Best nya senyap kat ss17 latotupai :p

Jennylim
18-12-2009, 10:08 PM
Sound like the grass is greener over there. .. sedih la saya

Imaging this;
a couple; drop out from secondary school, having 4 young children, two children having learning difficulties. What kind of life would the family have in Malaysia? House, food, childcare(RM400/child), diapers, milk powder, etc..
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In US, the children go to government run childcare centre, go to public elementary school(may not be as good as SRJKC here), milk powder, diaper all taken care of by the centre.

The husband does renovation works -earn a few thousand dollars a month, wife does welfare jobs for free, staying in a detached house. Don't have to worry about health care, children's education, overseas study and so on. Don't have to work long hours to earn and save money for children's education. They are living a simple and normal life.

jan tomaswaki
19-12-2009, 12:11 PM
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In US, the children go to government run childcare centre, go to public elementary school(may not be as good as SRJKC here), milk powder, diaper all taken care of by the centre.

The husband does renovation works -earn a few thousand dollars a month, wife does welfare jobs for free, staying in a detached house. Don't have to worry about health care, children's education, overseas study and so on. Don't have to work long hours to earn and save money for children's education. They are living a simple and normal life.
You must remember ,they pay very high tax and if you don't pay ,go to jail.Not like here "boleh di runding"

Jey
19-12-2009, 12:38 PM
Anyway, the US is not really to my liking as the unemployment condition there is worsening even for the locals so how would immigrants fare? The crime rate is more alarming than here due to worsening unemployment. Also the economy has been spiraling downward steadily for the past 10 years. The dollar has been weakening so much that many countries are formulating doing business in other common currencies, especially the Middle East countries. The new currency for Middle eastern gulf members was already approved by IMF as far back in 2005 and will begin officially in 2010 replacing the dollar.
Read here http://www.theinsider.org/news/article.asp?id=0243
Imagine the situation when the demand for USD drops like a brick in 2010 once the gulf states start using the new currency. The gold is expected to shoot up even more due to the weakening dollar as these two are inversely correlated. No matter how much of stimulus injections are going to prop up the US economy its an uphill task.

The Australian economy is far more stable and their currency much stronger as they are commodities based. Anyway, these are just my own outlook and my own opinions. :D

jimmyay
19-12-2009, 04:19 PM
You must remember ,they pay very high tax and if you don't pay ,go to jail.Not like here "boleh di runding"

Working people cannot runding. 90% of what you earn are stated clearly in the EA form. Only those undeclared income are not under the radar.

Jennylim
19-12-2009, 05:09 PM
The crime rate is more alarming than here due to worsening unemployment. :D

Actually, I don't know much about US, just sharing some info I heard. My American friend staying in New York thinks generally it is safer in US, as long as you don't go to the 'black' area. Of cause pick pocket at subway is still rampant. New York police are really effcient according to him, if you call the police and inform them that the robbers has weapon, they will reach yr place in 5 min, otherwise in 10 minutes. This is their KPI.

Malaysia is no longer a safe place, I have 10 neighbours in the same street, 4 were robbed over the last few years. That's 40 % hitting rate!!! I don't even dare to walk to mamak store near my house at night. When I drive home I will always look around before get out of the car, if there is bike or car behind me, I wouldn't park, I would go a big round then come back. If there is man walking by, I would stay in the car. Remember? Canny Ong was killed in Malaysia!

fongkimseng
19-12-2009, 09:43 PM
I have been to both Australia and NZ, equally nice, if I really do want to emigrate, most probably to Sydney, Australia.

zinglicious
20-12-2009, 12:55 PM
But they have people like Pauline Hanson there! Oops, almost forget she got burnt in the last election. So if you are migrating because of racial leaders here, wait until 2010! Perhaps the racists leaders would get burnt like her :D :) :D

Sentinel
20-12-2009, 12:58 PM
I have been to both Australia and NZ, equally nice, if I really do want to emigrate, most probably to Sydney, Australia.Yes, we can smoke cigars and sip our espresso kau kau together on the side of Darling Harbour...

okang
20-12-2009, 08:06 PM
My choice is definitely Hong kong.

A great place for business and finance. HK has excellent infrastructure, robust legal system, low crime environment, freedom of speech and most importantly good food.

The extra is that it enjoys almost 6 months of nice cool weather.

tupai
20-12-2009, 08:28 PM
many mistaken emigrant's lifestyle versus 'I went for a Xdays/months holiday lifestyle"...plenty made Blur sotong's judgement, then regret like hell! hahahahah. :D

If got lotsa$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$, Bolehland is the best!

Cari makan 6months bolehland, then 1mth Oz (only Mel+Sdy), 1 mth NZ, 1 month Rio (down to Patagonia), 1 mth Seattle (up to Alaska), 1 month LOS (preferbly sunny south), balance 1 week to recover in any other country of choice. :D

Yang Bermimpi the dream latotupai :p

Sentinel
20-12-2009, 08:33 PM
If got lotsa$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$, Bolehland is the best!

Cari makan 6months bolehland, then 1mth Oz (only Mel+Sdy), 1 mth NZ, 1 month Rio (down to Patagonia), 1 mth Seattle (up to Alaska), 1 month LOS (preferbly sunny south), balance 1 week to recover in any other country of choice (Mauritius - count money...) :D ) :D

Yang Bermimpi the dream latotupai :p
My dream too Yang Amat Bermimpi Lato, my dream too... except I will replace LOS with French Riviera or Paris... and may our dreams come true together! Just one last lap....

And Bolehland shall be my home F O R E V E R !

kwchang
20-12-2009, 11:08 PM
My choice is definitely Hong kong...The extra is that it enjoys almost 6 months of nice cool weather.
You obviously do not know which country named hurricanes as typhoons ("Typhoon" is anglicised Cantonese for 'big wind').

jan tomaswaki
21-12-2009, 06:39 AM
Cari makan 6months bolehland, then 1mth Oz (only Mel+Sdy), 1 mth NZ, 1 month Rio (down to Patagonia), 1 mth Seattle (up to Alaska), 1 month LOS (preferbly sunny south), balance 1 week to recover in any other country of choice. :
Yang Bermimpi the dream latotupai :p
mmm.....nice idea...haven't you think of south america where most of the beauty queen came from...and during the hot summer days in northern Brazil the samba factory girls wore bikinis to work.....

zinglicious
21-12-2009, 07:26 AM
In USA betterlah, you get to to see waitress dressed to be feast on at Hooters. Qualification is simply with big assets need to apply. So even the food may not taste good compared to other joints, it is immaterial as you get a guaranteed feast for eyes presentation.
Incidentally, I feel hungry already. All I wanted for Christmas is my two front seats at Hooters where I take Jan with me. :D

dwch
21-12-2009, 07:41 AM
There is so much talk about migrating and being choosy which country you like best. So before doing that, test yourself here whether you can qualify to obtain 120 points for the Skilled Independent Migration Program before Australia will accept you.

http://www.acacia-au.com/skilled-migration-points-test.php

okang
21-12-2009, 08:50 AM
Chang Sir, I have personally experienced these typhoons, sap sap sui lah.

2009 was quite benign as far as typhoon occurence is concerned. 2008 was frequent, maybe in concurrence with world financial crisis. :eek:

When I was not in HK and typhoon were to strike, my HK employee would gleefully skype me to inform the hoisting of flag number 8 as this would be holiday for them. :)

Naka
21-12-2009, 09:10 AM
Office staffs like typhoons, they can leave early and relax at homes. :D

zinglicious
21-12-2009, 03:17 PM
Still you cannot beat Malaysia for having the nost official holidays in the world! :D :) :D

tupai
21-12-2009, 09:08 PM
mmm.....nice idea...haven't you think of south america where most of the beauty queen came from...and during the hot summer days in northern Brazil the samba factory girls wore bikinis to work.....

Aiyahyah! Anuther Blur sotong...which part of "1 month Rio (down to Patagonia)" u dont undercanstand lah??? ...aiyah, geographically its from Rio de Janeiro to the most southern part of Argentina & chile...passing B.Aires sumore ;)

Am awaiting some realy good news about some deals lah ;)

Yang Buenos Aires pi latotupai :p

Sentinel
22-12-2009, 12:28 AM
Aiyahyah! Anuther Blur sotong...which part of "1 month Rio (down to Patagonia)" u dont undercanstand lah??? ...aiyah, geographically its from Rio de Janeiro to the most southern part of Argentina & chile...passing B.Aires sumore ;)

Am awaiting some realy good news about some deals lah ;)

Yang Buenos Aires pi latotupai :p
.... and take a Russian icecutter down Antartica just for sake of having done it... last I check USD22,500.... tak boleh lah... manyak mahal oh!

tupai
22-12-2009, 10:24 AM
.... and take a Russian icecutter down Antartica just for sake of having done it... last I check USD22,500.... tak boleh lah... manyak mahal oh!

Yup...tats part of the deal :D cost is relative, no?

Rm80K can buy an experience of a lifetime :D A brrrrrr...journey to the end of the earth with a sizzling hot latino female co and u will coming back with more than a grin :D

Yang Bera latotupai :p

zinglicious
22-12-2009, 11:31 AM
But remember to destruct all evidence of grins and all images of hot and spicy sambal mammaries. This wood be avoided with the tiger being struck by the swinging iron 6 .Otherwise the usj.com would be abuzzed with a thread on tupaigate scandal. :D

tupai
22-12-2009, 12:09 PM
But remember to destruct all evidence of grins and all images of hot and spicy sambal mammaries. This wood be avoided with the tiger being struck by the swinging iron 6 .Otherwise the usj.com would be abuzzed with a thread on tupaigate scandal. :D

..and u believe everything i posted? :eek: Mother of Gawd! *horror of horrors*! :eek: :eek:

Yang Bercerita tinggi latotupai :D

zinglicious
22-12-2009, 12:19 PM
Aiyah, should have read the fine print under your nick as a wannabe attorney. :o :eek: :o
Luckily, I was not scammed of monies like some fools in the Nigeria or Negara internet scams.

Sentinel
22-12-2009, 04:35 PM
Yup...tats part of the deal :D cost is relative, no?

Rm80K can buy an experience of a lifetime :D A brrrrrr...journey to the end of the earth with a sizzling hot latino female co and u will coming back with more than a grin :D

Yang Bera latotupai :p
Am contemplating of gathering about 6-8 buddies and organize a special trip with the ice cutter including one round the entire Antartica... LOL! One day it will happen, perhaps one day....

Flew over the edge once in an Air New Zealand tour once but the glass were frosted up too much to really enjoy the sights. :mad:

jan tomaswaki
22-12-2009, 04:46 PM
[QUOTE=Sentinel][SIZE=3][FONT=Arial Narrow]Am contemplating of gathering about 6-8 buddies and organize a special trip with the ice cutter including one round the entire Antartica... LOL! One day it will happen, perhaps one day....
A friend of mine went biking thru s/america -
Peru,Uruguay,Paraguay,Arg.,Brazil,and Bolivia for 2 months,b4 they left home they went for a cruise to Antartica for USD$3000.This type of trip had to be book 2 years in advance!My friend was lucky as last minute pull out by an American couple.It's really once in a lifetime trip.

Sentinel
22-12-2009, 07:20 PM
[QUOTE=Sentinel]Am contemplating of gathering about 6-8 buddies and organize a special trip with the ice cutter including one round the entire Antartica... LOL! One day it will happen, perhaps one day....
A friend of mine went biking thru s/america -
Peru,Uruguay,Paraguay,Arg.,Brazil,and Bolivia for 2 months,b4 they left home they went for a cruise to Antartica for USD$3000.This type of trip had to be book 2 years in advance!My friend was lucky as last minute pull out by an American couple.It's really once in a lifetime trip.I know Jan, it will be a real lifetime treat / thrill. Five things I still dream of doing before the guy upstairs think my use-by date is up:

i) antartica;
ii) a ride on a fat boy from Canada to Mexico along Route 55;
iii) a river cruise all the way up to the source of the Nile;
iv) alaskan cruise around the giant glaciers, and;
v) whitewater rafting down Grand Canyon.

Have to work very much harder I guess.... :(

tupai
22-12-2009, 07:51 PM
I know Jan, it will be a real lifetime treat / thrill. Five things I still dream of doing before the guy upstairs think my use-by date is up:

i) antartica;
ii) a ride on a fat boy from Canada to Mexico along Route 55;
iii) a river cruise all the way up to the source of the Nile;
iv) alaskan cruise around the giant glaciers, and;
v) whitewater rafting down Grand Canyon.

Have to work very much harder I guess.... :(

Huh? I tot U pension leow? Also emigrated to Pearl of Orient and residing in a high end condo, with a sea view and every evening watching sunset, sipping gin and chewing cigar? :confused:

Yang Blur sotong latotupai :p

Sentinel
22-12-2009, 09:49 PM
Huh? I tot U pension leow? Also emigrated to Pearl of Orient and residing in a high end condo, with a sea view and every evening watching sunset, sipping gin and chewing cigar? :confused:

Yang Blur sotong latotupai :p
Ha Ha Ha not until like that lah... I will rot and deteriorate faster living until like that... those are occasional indulgences.

Still need to cari makan now and then to keep the brain cells active. Sudoku Level 5 alone won't do...

jan tomaswaki
22-12-2009, 10:43 PM
I know Jan, it will be a real lifetime treat / thrill. Five things I still dream of doing before the guy upstairs think my use-by date is up:

i) antartica;
ii) a ride on a fat boy from Canada to Mexico along Route 55;
iii) a river cruise all the way up to the source of the Nile;
iv) alaskan cruise around the giant glaciers, and;
v) whitewater rafting down Grand Canyon.

Have to work very much harder I guess.... :(
Maybe a song resung by Anne Murray "OLD CAPE COD will capture the moments of River Nile

zinglicious
23-12-2009, 01:37 AM
Just found out from one of the forumers that his family is migrating to Down Under next year :(
Guess we would be missing two of the crosses in the 2010 election. :eek:
Nevertheless, bon voyage. :)