Barisan Friendly Reps

[USJ27Resident]

What is wrong with these elected reps... are the voters getting taken for a ride again?
Kinda sickening to think that when these fellas cannot toe the line, they leapfrog so bloody fast, that you wonder if these fellas were humans or frogs! I am pretty sure that when these fellas was voted in, they were voted in based on the party or ideology that they were going to represent, and not on their personality or good looks....
Seems to me.... these fellas are a bunch of opportunistic people with no principles, willing to hold the current state govt to ransom...

[Chia Hak Soon]

Biasa lah, the carrot is too good to ignore. These are not frogs , they are wolves in the sheep skin . Same like those in mca too.

[besitai2007]

Mistake for PKR was to rush and get any one who wants to stand as candidiate to be nominated. PKR didn't expect the tsunami of 2008! Now we are getting the effects of all the rubbish that have been washed ashore.

[okang]

PKR should date the pre-signed resignation letter now and present to Speaker Teng so that he can inform the EC of vacancy. See whether the latter will again rule against any by-election.

[lohmee]

PKR should date the pre-signed resignation letter now and present to Speaker Teng so that he can inform the EC of vacancy. See whether the latter will again rule against any by-election.

I remember reading the newspaper during the early stages of the Perak debacle that the A-G office (or is it the EC, cannot remember for sure) ruled that such letters are not valid.

The Pakatan Parlimentarians should now push for a Bill (or Amendment) to the EC Act, to rule out frog-jumping and any such incidents should automatically trigger a new by-election and the incumbent is allowed to re-contest again. This will then be a fair test and give the choice back to the rakyat - SADLY, I don't see any Pakatan Parlimentarian even talking about it !!! KILL ALL THE POTENTIAL FROGGING FOR OUR FUTURE :)

(except for Karpal Singh at that time - maybe he should table for one - or his son - oh yah - forgot -suspended )

[zinglicious]

No lah, they are froggie lah - cold blooded. At least the wolves in sheep clothing would not eat thier own kind. :eek:
And the worst is they wont give up thier seat because they said the people like him and elected him. If so, what's wrong about contesting to see his head or hair still can charm the pants of the voters again?
In other words, let have reality show " do you think you can be voted, again" :p

[jaysubra]

I voted for the party not the candidate.....this so-called YB's should understand that.

There were many good BN candidate who got booted out at GE 12 (2008) because they were representing BN. Eg. Sharizat, Koh Tsu Koon and others.

If this ADUN thinks he is so good, resign and stand for election again like what Shahrir did before ...(opps....no cannot because BN ammended the law prohibiting it!!!!)

Note: One more potential frog, Zulkifli Nordin (followed by Hasan Ali?)

[lohmee]

No lah, they are froggie lah - cold blooded. At least the wolves in sheep clothing would not eat thier own kind. :eek:
And the worst is they wont give up thier seat because they said the people like him and elected him. If so, what's wrong about contesting to see his head or hair still can charm the pants of the voters again?
In other words, let have reality show " do you think you can be voted, again" :p

Zing,

If I am not mistaken, the current EC Act forbids the incumbent to stand for re-election for 5 years if he resigns - that's why, all frogged it instead of resigning and give the lame excuses we hear today ...

What disappoints me, is why doesn't any PR Parlimentarian table a motion etc to get this changed ? Why the deafening silence ? I know DSAI tried to get the Sarawak/Sabahans to frog over to PR last year and believe me, I don't agree with that, he should have waited for us to decide in GE13 (2012-2013) - and since then don't tell me, PR now also condone frogging ? If that is the case, PR and BN on this matter (frogging) is 2X5 and 5X2 = both are just as bad in misleading their constituents :mad:

[Sentinel]

What disappoints me, is why doesn't any PR Parlimentarian table a motion etc to get this changed ? Why the deafening silence ? How could an opposition with just 82 seats in Parliament table a motion and get it passed? Can you please tell me how so I can tell PR how to do it and not maintain this deafening silence???

[zinglicious]

So the characteristic of the politicians would be smiling tiger when speaking to voters, shed tears like crocodile when they asked to resigned, laughed like a hyena when get BN funding when they jumped like frogs, and they smelled like dead crabs once they try to fish the voters next round. :D

[lohmee]

How could an opposition with just 82 seats in Parliament table a motion and get it passed? Can you please tell me how so I can tell PR how to do it and not maintain this deafening silence???

It may (and most likely to) get defeated by BN as you rightly said and highlighted given its lower number but this can be and should be viewed as raising a PRINCIPLE issue in Parliment that affects everyone - sometimes, you have to say what you think is right even though you know you will be defeated .....

Table the motion, if it doesn't get passed - fine, I don't expect it to .... - but PR should be seen to be doing the RIGHT thing and not just talking about it.

If we all stay silent because we know we will be defeated then we are defeated always ..... my 2 cents.

[firefox]

For me there is only one reason why a politician whould want to hop from one party to another..$$$$$ dont try to proof it otherwise. Who wont want to join a rich party where money flows like honey.

Just a general opinion.

I hope in the coming election the Political parties dont make the same mistake.

[USJ27Resident]

I voted for the party not the candidate.....this so-called YB's should understand that.
See what I mean... voters have no choice - in the end voters, believing the greater good for Malaysia and malaysians - gets screwed by the very candidate they've voted - and the only way they can see justice done, is to wait for another GE or the 'fler to have a heart attack and drop dead... or get charged & convicted :rolleyes:


If this ADUN thinks he is so good, resign and stand for election again like what Shahrir did before ...(opps....no cannot because BN ammended the law prohibiting it!!!!)
One of the very few people with conviction,principles and believes in himself. When he resigned his JB seat - he gave TDM and BN a helluva black eye - that they made sure NOBODY resigns from a party nominated seat and runs as an independent.[period!]

I just hope (and pray) that US Malaysians would remind these 'flers (or whatever you wanna call these 'flers) that we voters will remember their treachery and betrayal and come next GE - these 'flers can go to hell... :mad:

[Sentinel]

It may (and most likely to) get defeated by BN as you rightly said and highlighted given its lower number but this can be and should be viewed as raising a PRINCIPLE issue in Parliment that affects everyone - sometimes, you have to say what you think is right even though you know you will be defeated .....

Table the motion, if it doesn't get passed - fine, I don't expect it to .... - but PR should be seen to be doing the RIGHT thing and not just talking about it.

If we all stay silent because we know we will be defeated then we are defeated always ..... my 2 cents.
You are assuming Pakatan is against hopping. I don't think they are becoz they are the ones who advocated September 16, so why are you asking them to table a motion on something you believe in and not them?

As far as I know only Karpal, LKS and LGE has agreed hopping is wrong but not the rest of the coalition.

[lohmee]

You are assuming Pakatan is against hopping. I don't think they are becoz they are the ones who advocated September 16, so why are you asking them to table a motion on something you believe in and not them?

As far as I know only Karpal, LKS and LGE has agreed hopping is wrong but not the rest of the coalition.

I have to admit you are right - Sadly, I was hoping that the DAP and also certain members of PAS leaderships would be strong enough to persuade the "less-strongly-principled" PKR leaders (read: ex-UMNO) to change from their pro-frogging attitude/methods but, alas, to no avail, hence my statement, on this issue of frogging - BN=PR=2x5 and 5x2 , both just as bad to the people who voted them - trust has been breached. I am no lawyer but I wonder if we can sue them for CBT? :p

However, having said that, if any of them are reading these posts, please bear in mind, that YOU ARE OUR REPRESENTATIVES IN PARLIMENT - HEAR OUR VOICES - VOX POPULI !!

If you cannot change the country for the better, you are "useless" as our representatives and don't deserve our trust(votes) to represent us in the future ...

[patling63]

Told you these worthless frogs are into politics for the money, power and status. Who cares about the rakyat!

The very few who did enter to serve ended up either being threatened, beaten, jailed or even dead like beloved brother Teoh Beng Hock.

[Carolrasiah]

For me there is only one reason why a politician whould want to hop from one party to another..$$$$$ dont try to proof it otherwise. Who wont want to join a rich party where money flows like honey.

Just a general opinion.

I hope in the coming election the Political parties dont make the same mistake.
it is a FACT, not a opinion.

[mick123]

that guy didn't frog what....he became an independent but just want to be closer to Be eNd. at least we know Be eNd would welcome anybody, especially those under performers, to be friendly to them....so it doesn't matter to Be eNd as long as they get the numbers now....anyway, how can one be an independent and at the same time be friendly to a particular party? :confused: may be in boo-leh land, we can :p :p

[USJ27Resident]

that guy didn't frog what....he became an independent but just want to be closer to Be eNd. at least we know Be eNd would welcome anybody, especially those under performers, to be friendly to them....so it doesn't matter to Be eNd as long as they get the numbers now....anyway, how can one be an independent and at the same time be friendly to a particular party? :confused: may be in boo-leh land, we can :p :p


hahahahaaaaa hahahahaaahahaaaaaa... !!! UNDER-PERFORMERS... so now we know what BN independent reps stands for... :D

Still... what irks the sh!t out of me is - even if these under-performers don't get elected in the next GE - they are ENTITLED to a bloody pencen... that you and I would be paying (contributing) for the rest of our bloody working lives... :mad:

[mick123]

Still... what irks the sh!t out of me is - even if these under-performers don't get elected in the next GE - they are ENTITLED to a bloody pencen... that you and I would be paying (contributing) for the rest of our bloody working lives... :mad:

yes this gets on my nerves as well and this can only happen in boo-lehland

[zinglicious]

Under performance for Adun from Port Klang? It is no performance with MIA- Missing In Action. If govt or private company employees or even managers are absent without reasonable cause or neglect in the duties, they can be sacked. Why can't the Adun be sacked? :confused:

[shthang]

This whole thing reminds me of STAR WARS movie series. The current event is like THE EMPIRES STRIKE BACK with their mighty machineries ($$$, institutions) and dirty tactics paving a way for snap election when the timing is right in their favour. The vengeance from the new Sith lord is clear and obvious.

Who are the RETURNING JEDIs that will get us out from this ...look into the mirror. :D

[Sentinel]

The ADUN from Port Kelang has always been a thorn in the flesh of PKR even before the GE12 proper last year. He went to the nomination without bringing any money and Ronnie Liu had to raise money on the spot to help pay for his deposit as a candidate. On the night they announced him a winner, he was at home asleep. (Read all this in RPK's blog... Malaysia-Today).

The MB didn't want him, he recommended the guy be sacked. But this ADUN resigned himself (to avoid losing his seat). So end of story lah.

If UMNO wants him, then we should all be happy about, why harp on it for so long... it doesn't change the power equation in Selangor and it is good riddance so why lose all the energy over something PKR wished for?

In the end, we get caught again with our pants down when most members of the family are not even registered as voters...

[shthang]

These resignations of PKR aduns in Perak and Selangor are good lessons learnt for DSAI on the importance of quality Aduns or MPs.

The next vulnerable on the list of PKR resignations is Kulim MP.

The controlled media will make a mountain of the mole and influence the rural folks as big chunks of the rural folks there still relying on the mainstream media as key infor source. PAS normally backfills this gap in the rural to provide a more balance infor but the recent rift at the PAS leadership will weaken this critical defence.

I will not surprise to see a snap election in a near future if DSAI and the PR is on the defending mode.

[Sentinel]

The Kulim MP Dzulkifli Nordin is also a liability and another thorn in the flesh. It doesn't matter if he resigns tomorrow and move on to UMNO. I think PKR will be happy.

Look at this ADUN from Port Klang. Do you see any DAP, PAS or PKR leaders grumbling? Its only Ezam Mohd Noor and gang enjoying making comments... just let it go lah, its just an ADUN not wanted by the party anyway.

I am sure the entire PKR central committee knows they need quality candidates next round. Hey, they didn't know and neither did anyone else okay, that they will win big and rule the state...

[kwchang]

Sorry folks, remember we don't have Arus Politik anymore?

[tupai]

Sorry folks, remember we don't have Arus Politik anymore?


I appreciate very much everyone's help in pointing out misdemeanors on the Forum but telling me how to moderate is going a bit too far... what do you flers think?
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hehheheh...from a diff thread... But in my Yang Blur view, all the same.

Political discourse can take 2 forms. Logical/rational or plain downright insulting/rude/crude approach.

By u banning/locking threads...u r assuming all of us in Sjaya are in the same category as the Yang Blur Sotong, Yang Biadap ,Yang Bodoh, Yang Bo-Sia, Yang Bocor?

Yang Bertanya soalan latotupai

[kwchang]

..By u banning/locking threads...u r assuming all of us in Sjaya are in the same category as the Yang Blur Sotong, Yang Biadap ,Yang Bodoh, Yang Bo-Sia, Yang Bocor? Not true. Whenever a thread is blocked, it is because of a few reasons but certainly not because I am high n mighty and having an impression that I am dealing with lesser people.

The reason to block a thread is when people violate the rules. In this case, the issue about political commentaries is not in our rule-book but we did lay down a decision to not get into politics as people tend to get carried away. Furthermore this is not a political forum.

[USJ27Resident]

In this case, the issue about political commentaries is not in our rule-book but we did lay down a decision to not get into politics as people tend to get carried away. Furthermore this is not a political forum.

how la - not to comment on politicians.... :(
everything we do... involves them decision makers...(apart from our own HOME MINISTER aka the WIVEs and the Mother in Law [kihkihkih!!] :p )... from our credit cards to our housing loans... to our schooling kids and to our income tax rates - it all is decided by these clowns... err I mean, reps that we elect...

if we can't comment on the decisions they make - how to make them be accountable for their actions, comment and behaviour...

[zinglicious]

Just can't closed one or two eyes over the things run by politicians who always try to hookwink us by Malaysia 1 , rakyat didahulu.
I am apolitical but crtical of social issues that affect us, which means me and my offsprings. Even if potshot are taken at polticians or politics, it is meant to create awareness or for others to correct my views.
Internet like usj.com where there are considerably contributors who are intelligently post responses and critical views. I agreed that some are a bit bossy in thier comments but I believe most are doing out of sheer concern over certain issues which affect them directly or indirectly. But they care enough to Kay Poh Chee.
Why along the way, the issue of politics get in the way? USJ27 resident was right on the dot. Stupid decisions made by the clowns are to be questioned. And USJ.com is the avenue rather than the paper because if it gets out of hands, even moderators would get PM from fellow forumers to shut it out. Irresponsible postings or false claims are easily identified by the readers because this forum really have professional people posting and reading.
Lastly, some of us in real sense try to make wise cracks to lighten our misery of how things were run by politicians and avoid trying to get bananas from being too obvious.
Some forums are just average or too sensational, but only forum like USJ.com.my is mean. They are read and posted by who really mean to make this world a better place. :)

[USJ27Resident]

Did anyone see today's Front Page
(http://thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2009/11/2/nation/5024686&sec=nation) of the Star...

Our 1M-PM says we should disregard racist remarks from certain leaders...
:confused: eh... I thought racist remarks can be considered seditious and could create disharmony and tension... now wouldn't certain unacceptable remarks attract police action?

Like I said earlier - sometimes how NOT TO COMMENT about politics and politicians when we get idiots making idiotic comments and remarks out in the open... :rolleyes:

[bslee]

They comment, its semua OK.. WE COMMENT, its seditious!.
You know the word "DOUBLE" have broad uses.. I thought I see double, but we have double standards are very real.

[zinglicious]

1 law for you whereas another one loh for us.
The way 1Malaysia is being said and done.........kami cakap charged seditious, BN cakap sexynya. :eek:

[Sentinel]

They comment, its semua OK.. WE COMMENT, its seditious!.
You know the word "DOUBLE" have broad uses.. I thought I see double, but we have double standards are very real.
Here's one specially dedicated to you from the late Stevie Ray Vaughn DOUBLE TROUBLE. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jnR_WWGRLIg&feature=fvst)

[besitai2007]

PKR should date the pre-signed resignation letter now and present to Speaker Teng so that he can inform the EC of vacancy. See whether the latter will again rule against any by-election.
Pakatan Rakyat can get its MPs from component parties to sign a pre-dated letter but it won't do any good. Look At Perak, even when the letters of the three frogs were submitted, the EC declared that they were not valid. I remember that in Sabah, PBS had their people sign such a document about leap-frogging, but Pairin faced the same problem when the letters were ignored. A totally useless strategy on using pre-signed pledges.