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firefox
19-10-2009, 02:16 PM
These are my views..Very easy remove the bumiputra status and racial barriers, treat all malaysians on equal foothing and equal opportunities. Remove the word race. Get rid all the racial component parties and have one party.Get rid of special priviliges. Respect and be grateful to our forefathers who slogged and worked to improve the economy of this country
Let there be free choice of religion...the list can go on i will end here.


Maybe this is not what the government meant, who knows.
http://thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2009/10/19/nation/20091019134712&sec=nation

CS Chua
19-10-2009, 05:14 PM
It is not too difficult, actually. If the government is sincere, just legislate a Racial Discrimination Act (Australian) or the USA Race Relations Act which states that "it is unlawful to discriminate against a person on the grounds of race, colour, nationality, citizenship or ethnic origins."

That will mean that all citizens have the right to government contracts, MARA institutions, certain elite colleges and regiments, APs, government jobs, etc.

bslee
19-10-2009, 06:28 PM
It is not too difficult, actually.

Hahaha... now thats what i call a figment of some imagination...sorry if I'm blunt.
I believe Tunku Abdul Rahman broadly envisioned a true Malaysia for all born and bred here, perhaps even welcomed any former colonials who wished to remain here indefinitely. Things changed radically after Tunku and we're reaping the whirlwind now. Progress is only on the surface, perhaps consisting of bricks, concrete and cement just to impress the world.
Malaysia is now in repair mode..and that'll take a huge lot of sacrifice from everyone to the next generation, even then, its not guaranteed.
This country can't even RID the scourge of CORRUPTION, so lets not start of unity issues just yet.

CS Chua
19-10-2009, 08:19 PM
Hahaha... now thats what i call a figment of some imagination...sorry if I'm blunt.
I believe Tunku Abdul Rahman broadly envisioned a true Malaysia for all born and bred here, perhaps even welcomed any former colonials who wished to remain here indefinitely. Things changed radically after Tunku and we're reaping the whirlwind now. Progress is only on the surface, perhaps consisting of bricks, concrete and cement just to impress the world.
Malaysia is now in repair mode..and that'll take a huge lot of sacrifice from everyone to the next generation, even then, its not guaranteed.
This country can't even RID the scourge of CORRUPTION, so lets not start of unity issues just yet.
"It is not too difficult," means it can be done. Period. Political will is another matter. Corruption will always be there. Even the USA is plagued with corruption. Singapore too but less people want to talk about it. It is a never ending problem for all nations. At the end of the day, we have to start somewhere, even if it is just an idea or a dream. Without that, we are doomed.

bslee
19-10-2009, 08:49 PM
"It is not too difficult," means it can be done. Period. Political will is another matter. Corruption will always be there.

It takes two for a corrupt act. Its just not political will alone but the rakyat have to do their part in this all, and thats NOT really happening where there's always personal interests in mind to get things done fastest, shortest, and easy way out. The whole system, over-regulation, red tape and the hassle are currently not an encouragement either, so still hope for political will?, its not a one sided effort. No, its NOT that simple. the same goes for unity issue. My 2 sen, in short summary.

fabregas
19-10-2009, 09:09 PM
Some affirmative action is still required ie. we still need to continue giving a leg up or protection to certain groups - namely the poor and disabled(regardless of race) so that they have a fighting chance of succeeding. Another group that comes to mind are certain indigenous groups in Malaysia. One good example, the Penans in Sarawak. Look at the way they are exploited and cheated of their dignity and land.

Carolrasiah
19-10-2009, 09:15 PM
The government doesn’t care two hoots about unity as it doesn’t understand the word ‘unity’ after 50yrs.......this country is going to the dogs!

bslee
20-10-2009, 01:59 AM
Alright, lets now define UNITY.
Post your points as what you all believe it should, could be or must be.
Obviously its not just about being friendly or respecting one another or shaking hands or conveying best wishes at CNY, Hari Raya, Deepavali or Christmas, and New Years Day OR at best, abolishing the NEP.

firefox
20-10-2009, 11:56 AM
Too much of talk of 1 Malaysia and unity and shouting of slogans, so far nothing in black and white, we are still waiting for drastic changes.

zinglicious
20-10-2009, 12:09 PM
It is mind over matter! Of course, it is not black and white. The govt is making colors out of it. People get mad - green , people get angry -mad people get frustrated -blue! :p

yvonnefoong
20-10-2009, 02:48 PM
It is not too difficult, actually. If the government is sincere, just legislate a Racial Discrimination Act (Australian) or the USA Race Relations Act which states that "it is unlawful to discriminate against a person on the grounds of race, colour, nationality, citizenship or ethnic origins."

That will mean that all citizens have the right to government contracts, MARA institutions, certain elite colleges and regiments, APs, government jobs, etc.

I agree with this one. If we can have that in the constitution, then we can begin to weed out the racist practices one by one simply because they are unconstitutional. Do we need to revive the Supreme Court for this?

Jennylim
20-10-2009, 02:57 PM
Apa itu National Unity?

United to do what?

Najid said 1Malaysia, he also said certain race must be united - united to do what?

AllUrban
20-10-2009, 03:02 PM
give your feedback at transformation.gov.my also

Cheers, m

chewie
20-10-2009, 03:06 PM
if i want to talk about it...for sure i will get banned from here immediately or even this thread will be locked....


just imagine, bumiputra can get loan/car loan even your name is blacklisted by CCRIS... now you tell me, is this 1 Malaysia ??

firefox
21-10-2009, 04:17 PM
I just recieved a sms from Celcom, want to hear my views how to achieve national unity under 1 malaysia spirit..surely they must be joking, i can write a book on it.

Raikonen
21-10-2009, 04:31 PM
I just recieved a sms from Celcom, want to hear my views how to achieve national unity under 1 malaysia spirit..surely they must be joking, i can write a book on it.

Received on both my maxis post and prepaid lines...What's the point of asking? Does it make any difference? I suppose some ministry utilising funds to do this? Hope it doesnt end up in the next year AG's report on funds abuse....

Anyway just replied with 3 words...Change the govt

sblsbl
21-10-2009, 04:49 PM
I agree with this one. If we can have that in the constitution, then we can begin to weed out the racist practices one by one simply because they are unconstitutional. Do we need to revive the Supreme Court for this?

:confused: :confused:

I think they have to mend the Constitution before they could enact those anti-racism laws in Malaysia. That's why Nazri gave up finally, no?

With extremists existing in both BN and Pakatan, I doubt this could happen for the next 100 years (by then the numbers of non-Malays would be so small that it's not even an issue...)

bslee
21-10-2009, 04:52 PM
With extremists existing in both BN and Pakatan,

What extremists?...wrong term. Its flers with questionable intelligence, short sighted. out of touch with reality and don't think of reprisals or consequences when they nag on some issue. You might as well call them idiots...both sides.

sblsbl
21-10-2009, 05:05 PM
What extremists?...wrong term. Its flers with questionable intelligence, short sighted. out of touch with reality and don't think of reprisals or consequences when they nag on some issue. You might as well call them idiots...both sides.


Hmmm, actually I was very surprised when one of my Malay friends asked me one day why Chinese hated the Government so much and why the Chinese so unhappy about.

To him (and many other Malays, I believe), Chinese and other races should just be grateful that they are allowed to stay in Malaysia at the first place, and everything that we want (equality, and stuff) is basically "racist".

Yes, he thinks the Chinese are the one being racist. So, I imagine him thinking that we are all "idiots" who are out of touch with reality as well.

HTCHONG
21-10-2009, 05:10 PM
Government just needs to treat all races equally and practice meritocracy. As Lee Kuan Yew ever said if Malaysia treats all races equally it will be on par if not surpass Singapore.

sblsbl
21-10-2009, 05:25 PM
Government just needs to treat all races equally and practice meritocracy. As Lee Kuan Yew ever said if Malaysia treats all races equally it will be on par if not surpass Singapore.

That's the problem. We Chinese like to use Lee Kuan Yew as example, while Lee Kuan Yew is the devil in so many of the urban legends among the Malays (just ask any Malays, and they will say how Singapore's government mistreating Malays).

We have so much misunderstanding that we really don't have a common language.

expat1609
21-10-2009, 05:31 PM
Government just needs to treat all races equally and practice meritocracy. As Lee Kuan Yew ever said if Malaysia treats all races equally it will be on par if not surpass Singapore.

IMHO, as long as every stament includes RACE, forget it...equally fair for each race blablabla... that should not even be mentioned, but that should be the case and understood as the most normal thing in the world.

the unity is achieved as soon as the word goes "for all citizens" or "all humans", as soon as the word RACE is no more in any dictionary and anybodies vocabulary on this planet...big dream, isn't it?

i was quite amused when i started travelling in asia and every immigration form was asking my race...i did not know it then !! filled in "white" or "Austria" or "unknown" :)

i had to google my race at the age of 30, coz nobody ever asked or talked about it before.

BTW. i like you malaysians exactly for that harmony and living together, put aside politics, look at the mamak stall !!!

HTCHONG
21-10-2009, 05:43 PM
That's the problem. We Chinese like to use Lee Kuan Yew as example, while Lee Kuan Yew is the devil in so many of the urban legends among the Malays (just ask any Malays, and they will say how Singapore's government mistreating Malays).

We have so much misunderstanding that we really don't have a common language.

Truth speaks for itself. Just find out how many Singapore Malays migrated to Malaysia. I am sure Malaysia is more than willing to accept Singapore Malays, after all Malaysia has accepted so many Indonesians.

sblsbl
21-10-2009, 05:53 PM
Truth speaks for itself. Just find out how many Singapore Malays migrated to Malaysia. I am sure Malaysia is more than willing to accept Singapore Malays, after all Malaysia has accepted so many Indonesians.

Truth does speak for itself, but how many people want to listen to the truth? Practically every race in malaysia just wants to listen to the things they want to hear and to see what they want to see.

Actually, instead of "living in unity and harmony", I think a more appropriate words to describe Malaysia is the Chinese proverb “same bed, but different dreams" 同床异梦。:D

HTCHONG
21-10-2009, 06:09 PM
Truth does speak for itself, but how many people want to listen to the truth? Practically every race in malaysia just wants to listen to the things they want to hear and to see what they want to see.

Actually, instead of "living in unity and harmony", I think a more appropriate words to describe Malaysia is the Chinese proverb “same bed, but different dreams" 同床异梦。:D

Precisely, people can dream and listen for what they want to listen but not for leaders. This probably explains why Malaysia has come to this stage.

Sentinel
22-10-2009, 12:46 AM
The truth is that many of the posts that many of us posted here are racist in outlook and we have to take a good look at ourself before even talking about other races being racist. The only way forward is like what Expat1609 said, treat life like the mamak stall where everybody goes there without even thinking about race. But instead we are here in this thread talking "how to improve unity" but we are spewing racist statements and insinuating at racial discriminations even as far as Singapore, which is actually not even our own business. One forumer even spoke for some of us by using the words "we Chinese".... I don't condone that and neither do I agree with such views so I hope you will just speak for yourself.

We all need to change ourself first, our viewpoints, attitude and outlook in life before even wanting to change the other races or even the government of the day, for that matter. All of us, every single one of us, have a role to play. If we continue to have the attitude of what is posted in this thread, God help us, I doubt very much this country will ever achieve unity. It takes both hands to clap, it takes every single person to adopt an open multiracial outlook, not just "them" - it has to start with us.

I mingle with the other races alot and I just think many of the views expressed here are myopic and narrow. Lets change this first, if I may have my 2 sen worth.

Sentinel
22-10-2009, 12:51 AM
Truth speaks for itself. Just find out how many Singapore Malays migrated to Malaysia. I am sure Malaysia is more than willing to accept Singapore Malays, after all Malaysia has accepted so many Indonesians.
Do you have the statistics on how many Singapore Malays migrated to and accepted by Malaysia? Do you also have the statistics on how many Indonesians migrated to and accepted by Malaysia? Do you also have the statistics for how many Chinese migrated to and accepted by the Singapore government? If you don't have these actual statistics, tell us how you ended up with a statement "truth speaks for itself" and make such conclusive statement? I really would like to see these numbers to be convinced.

zinglicious
22-10-2009, 05:49 AM
It is mind over matter! Of course, it is not black and white. The govt is making colors out of it. People get mad - green , people get angry -mad people get frustrated -blue! :p
Although it is not considered as a primary color in color sense, Malaysians are also turning WHITE as there are afraid of going out and return safely to thier homes from crimes. Some return BLUE BLACK after being robbed outside thier gated homes. The worst for some when they found someone up in their own homes when they return! Colorless perhaps? :eek:

flamethrower
22-10-2009, 12:36 PM
Mixed marriage is worth looking at if I am the Gomen.

zinglicious
22-10-2009, 01:11 PM
Then we are looking at the next PM of Malaysia just like President of USA.
PAPA- Indo, MAMA -MynMA, GrandMA -Filipino, GrandPA -Bangla? :D

HTCHONG
22-10-2009, 06:07 PM
Do you have the statistics on how many Singapore Malays migrated to and accepted by Malaysia? Do you also have the statistics on how many Indonesians migrated to and accepted by Malaysia? Do you also have the statistics for how many Chinese migrated to and accepted by the Singapore government? If you don't have these actual statistics, tell us how you ended up with a statement "truth speaks for itself" and make such conclusive statement? I really would like to see these numbers to be convinced.

Haha…no detail information to provide but I can tell you, based on year 2000 data, 53.9% of foreign born population in Singapore came from Malaysia. By the way, China was second with 25.3%.

By the way, I tried to get the migration & immigration data from CIA about Malaysia, following is what I get... :D
“ NA
note: does not reflect net flow of an unknown number of illegal immigrants from other countries in the region (2009 est.)”

https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/my.html

flamethrower
22-10-2009, 08:15 PM
Government just needs to treat all races equally and practice meritocracy. As Lee Kuan Yew ever said if Malaysia treats all races equally it will be on par if not surpass Singapore.
Why Lion city people like to treat $%^ like their father ? ^%$ said this ,said that ..said cok cok cok ..do...lah ..say ..say..say ?

HTCHONG
22-10-2009, 09:42 PM
Why Lion city people like to treat $%^ like their father ? ^%$ said this ,said that ..said cok cok cok ..do...lah ..say ..say..say ?

Cannot understand your english leh...

sblsbl
22-10-2009, 10:50 PM
Haha…no detail information to provide but I can tell you, based on year 2000 data, 53.9% of foreign born population in Singapore came from Malaysia. By the way, China was second with 25.3%.

By the way, I tried to get the migration & immigration data from CIA about Malaysia, following is what I get... :D
“ NA
note: does not reflect net flow of an unknown number of illegal immigrants from other countries in the region (2009 est.)”

https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/my.html

Why would you even bother to reply this fellow who tries to ridicule you simply to show what a great, non-racist he claims he is? Just because he claims he "mingle with the other races a lot", and so he thinks he's the only person fit to talk about it, and that every other people is just being racist?

I will ignore these type of people if I were you. Since we are unfit to include them in our "we".

Sayonara.

Sentinel
23-10-2009, 01:27 AM
SBLSBL, if you cannot carry out a debate constructively or conduct a discourse intelectually without resorting to sarcasm or personal insinuations, I suggest you consider some "self-examinations" about your participation here. If you cannot take the heat of alternative viewpoints, thats too bad. But don't go around making silly and childish comments like what you have just posted.

tupai
23-10-2009, 09:30 AM
SBLSBL, if you cannot carry out a debate constructively or conduct a discourse intelectually without resorting to sarcasm or personal insinuations, I suggest you consider some "self-examinations" about your participation here. If you cannot take the heat of alternative viewpoints, thats too bad. But don't go around making silly and childish comments like what you have just posted.
hahahahah funny lah!

Actually Sentinel beat me to it on substantiating whats spoken as facts with numberes/stats from a reliable/govt source. Else, its a hearsay or mere personal pov.

Here's my hearsay:
My spore malay friends (mostly white collar/professional regular guys (& bikers) and their young families) are proud to be sporean. They carry this confident & 'superior-than-malaysian-attitude', a common trait with the rest of the sporeans. That should say something about their unity? no?....

I also found out that many of their parents/and grand parents have migrated (like seasonal birds) to bolehland for 'semi-retirement', without giving up their spore citizenship. And like most chinese sporeans, they have family ties in bolehland.... Sorry no stats to back this up.

Yang Berspekulasi latotupai

flamethrower
23-10-2009, 01:12 PM
Cannot understand your english leh...
It is ok. We are not native speaker neither are we english speaking white .
There will be bound to be a little problem. (at least for me.)

Note.
My statemeny assume you are not white . If you are oriental , be proud that you dont have to speak and write like a white american or an a white english .

Jennylim
23-10-2009, 04:10 PM
Hmmm, actually I was very surprised when one of my Malay friends asked me one day why Chinese hated the Government so much and why the Chinese so unhappy about.

To him (and many other Malays, I believe), Chinese and other races should just be grateful that they are allowed to stay in Malaysia at the first place, and everything that we want (equality, and stuff) is basically "racist".

Yes, he thinks the Chinese are the one being racist. So, I imagine him thinking that we are all "idiots" who are out of touch with reality as well.

I think he knew too little history about Malaysian,Tanah Melayu and pre- Tanah Melayu. Many of us also has little awareness on our history. As a result, some happily being bullied, some happily bullying others.

Though our history book did not reflect all truth about what happened in the past, there are some basic information you could pick up. Putting pre-history aside, this place started with Hindu-Buddha civilisation, proof can be found at Bujang Valley, Paramewara came into picture only in 1400. As layman, you would be able to find what is left more than 1000 years ago, but I couldn't find anything meaningful(real stuff) from 1400 to 1800 after went to several museums and historical sites, except a Chinese cemetery,a wall, a well and building left behind by the westerners in Melaka. After 1800, more developments took place, you can find proof(real stuff like buildings, railways) of such developments even till today. Who are the peoples contributed to all these developments? Without these peoples, this place would probably like PNG, Soloman Island, Bandar Aceh? You should be a pround Malaysian if your forefather has contributed to this country, it would be truely a shame if the descendents choose to live under the shadow of immigrant - and we can not blame others if they treated you like one if we don't respect ourselves and our forefather as the one who contributed to this country and bring this country to what it is today. Peoples who are enjoying the fruits of our forefathers and existing tax payers' hardworks should be more grateful not hateful.

Christopher Columbus' men were the first documented settlers from the Old World to land in the territory of what is now the United States when they arrived in Puerto Rico during their second voyage in the year 1493.
What have USA achieved today is a lot more than since Parameswara landed in this land.
Why?

HTCHONG
23-10-2009, 08:44 PM
It is ok. We are not native speaker neither are we english speaking white .
There will be bound to be a little problem. (at least for me.)

Note.
My statemeny assume you are not white . If you are oriental , be proud that you dont have to speak and write like a white american or an a white english .
At first I was thinking to ignore you but after second thought I think I should reply your posting for the following reasons.

First of all, I am proud of whom I am. I have never exerted any superiority upon others unless they have inferiority complex within themselves.


Why Lion city people like to treat $%^ like their father ? ^%$ said this ,said that ..said cok cok cok ..do...lah ..say ..say..say ?
Secondly, look at your above posting. I truly cannot understand your language which I presumed it is rude. I have no intention to be offensive in my earlier posting which stated “Government should treat all races equally and practice meritocracy” (unless you don’t agree with this statement). I quoted Lee Kuan Yew as he is a respectable statesman not only in Singapore but globally. It was you who put signs and using words in your posting that are not friendly.

By the way, in my reply to you, I used the word “leh” which Caucasian will never use it. It is truly oriental. :D :D

Nevertheless, I will like to stop here as the thread is about “national unity”.

I apologize for being off thread. :)

Sentinel
24-10-2009, 01:26 AM
Why Lion city people like to treat $%^ like their father ? ^%$ said this ,said that ..said cok cok cok ..do...lah ..say ..say..say ?You claim to be from Singapore so what not you tell us... (remember if you're truly in Singapore, your IP address is being shown here... how, ada berani?)

p.s. Your IP actually shows southern part of Malaysia lah... :D

flamethrower
24-10-2009, 10:44 AM
You claim to be from Singapore so what not you tell us... (remember if you're truly in Singapore, your IP address is being shown here... how, ada berani?)

p.s. Your IP actually shows southern part of Malaysia lah... :D
Its my personal opinion about Lion city . Lion pepole tends tp brag too much on LKY . Cant really sell such thought in to days world unless you are living in North Korea. Silly !

No.2 . Your question : Berani ? why ? want to fight ah ? But I wont ! You know why ? I just loves all the songs that you have been posting here . It just make my day more rosy and all .Tks to you .PEACE .!

Sentinel
24-10-2009, 12:04 PM
LKY is idolised not by Singaporeans but a big part of the world as well. He might have his flaws and weaknesses but it is an accepted fact his achievements have outnumbered his failures... He has achieved statesmanship by now.

As for the "berani" dare, I wasn't challenging you to a fight, read again... I am saying you listed yourself as from Singapore, you're criticizing Singapore, but your IP address says JB. So, if you live in JB and criticse Singapore, you tak berani lah... oh, I think they will you "kiasi" in Singapore...

firefox
24-10-2009, 12:19 PM
We must understand not everyone idolises lky just like many ldolise t m, and i dont know why.

Anyway back to the topic the badjet is not for I Malaysia, being that all the races will benefit,as being reported in all the newspapers
The man on the road or the pensioners get nothing! So what are they talking about 1malaysia badjet. This is not unity...another BS!

Sentinel
24-10-2009, 12:31 PM
If I am a housewife or a retiree and do not pay taxes, how am I to benefit the rebate on broadband usage? C2pit decision if you ask me. Just cut the broadband subscription lah.... no need for the big hoo-ha in parliament....

ksj_cool
24-10-2009, 12:41 PM
Chewie is right, we cannot express our views openly here, for doing so will cause the membership in the ' banana plantation ' to go up!

flamethrower
24-10-2009, 02:11 PM
LKY is idolised not by Singaporeans but a big part of the world as well. He might have his flaws and weaknesses but it is an accepted fact his achievements have outnumbered his failures... He has achieved statesmanship by now.

As for the "berani" dare, I wasn't challenging you to a fight, read again... I am saying you listed yourself as from Singapore, you're criticizing Singapore, but your IP address says JB. So, if you live in JB and criticse Singapore, you tak berani lah... oh, I think they will you "kiasi" in Singapore...
i knew exactly what you mearnt ...anyway .opinion already stated and still am abide by it. what southern ,northern.eastern.nons..ense.waste of time lah !
How about posting some song with reference to Naji# budget ..to cheers us all. at the least for the weekend ? of course if you are up to it.

P/S :where dare to fight with you . by looking your porfolio here ,not yet fight my legs also become shakey and whole body become shorten. not mearnt to polish your shoe though...

fabregas
25-10-2009, 11:43 AM
I suspect most of the forumers here discussing this topic of unity are probably chinese. This discussion of unity will not get very far unless there is a real discussion amongst different races so that you can get a most honest perspective. I am not saying that this discussion here and now is not useful, but it would be much better if each of us had a constructive discussion with a person from another race what it truly means to be united.

Having said that, let me tell you about what happened at work a few years back. There is an indian man (a technician) who worked in my department. He started taking a lot of leaves. When his leaves ran out, according to the rules, he has to take unpaid leave. He was upset about that. Also, being transferred into my dept (age almost at 58), he was having difficulty coping with new skills. So we gave him a simple job to do. While his peers were testing and repairing complicated products, he was given the task of compiling a simple report. As with most MNC's, there is a forced ranking system. To be fair to his other colleagues, we had to rank him the lowest.

On the last day of his retirement, his wife ( a chinese ) called up and scolded us for not treating her husband respectfully, ... b'cos he is an indian. Anyway, we patiently explained to her the situation. She had said that, she is a chinese and believes chinese in general are racist (including me and the tech's manager).

Yes, there is a role for the govt to perform to promote unity, and respect for diversity. But there is also a role for each of us in our own little corner of our community.

PS. Obama made an excellent speech about volunteerism and social activism recently.
http://www.theeagle.com/local/Text-of-President-Obama-s-speech