USJ4/1-2 (AMAN) RA Community Notice Board

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Date of Notice: 14 October 2009

Dear Residents of USJ4/1A-USJ4/2,
(ALL RESIDENTS ARE INVITED TO ATTEND)

A pro-tem USJ4RA has been formed through volunteering on last meeting - full list is available during meeting (for purpose of data privacy, not displayed online until all pro-tem members agree)

Our next meeting is as follows:

Date: 17 Oct 2009 ( Saturday )
Time: 5pm – 7pm
Venue: SMK USJ4 Canteen (at Jalan USJ4/3)

Agenda:
1) USJ 4/1- 4/2 Road Block Brainstorm session
2) Others – organize flyers to inform residents, obtain consensus


All residents in the above streets are invited to attend the meetings, information can be obtained by emailing to pro-tem Secretary at usj4ra@gmail.com

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Date of Notice: 19th October 2009


USJ4RA Pro-tem Minutes of Meeting

Date: 17 Oct 2009
Time: 5:00pm – 7:00pm
Venue: SMK USJ4 Canteen

Attendees: 17 members
Mr TK Lee ( Advisor )


1. USJ 4/1-4/2 Gated and Guarded (GnG) Proposal Discussion
The discussion started with Mr JSHan’s draft proposal which eventually drew overwhelming feedback and counter-suggestions from almost everyone present. After much collective inputs, the discussion was reduced to 2 main plans, especially with regards to the handling of Jalan USJ 4/1, running parallel to Jalan Tujuan. Mr GHKok and Mr JSHan shall each recompile the ideas raised by their respective groups into draft plans by 21 Oct, for further discussion in the next meeting.

2. Registration of USJ4RA
USJ4RA has to be registered as an ROS as advised by Mr TKLee in order to run the GnG project, legally. USJ4RA has to encompass USJ 4/1 – 4/9. Mr LWCheah proposed for establishing USJ4RA to be registered with ROS, seconded by En Hamid. A vote took place with all 17 members present agreeing to it. The procedures to register USJ4RA will be undertaken in parallel as discussion goes on for the GnG proposal.
- The current 9 Protem Executive committee members ( not including street representatives ) are requested to provide copies of their ICs in the next meeting as part of the registration requirement.
- A sample set of “Undang-undang untuk Persatuan” would be reviewed by En Hamid and Ms Tan Hwee Sia for further discussion.

3. Filling vacant positions in the Pro-tem committee
Vice-chairman – En Hamid was appointed to fill this position.
Street representative for Jalan USJ4/1J was filled by Mr KWChook.
Jln USJ 4/1N and 4/1H are still unrepresented.

4. Others
- Street Representatives are advised by Mr Liu to spread the word by mouth to fellow neighbours in their streets to inform the intent to form a residents’ association and its GnG initiative.
- Mr LWCheah to put some initial thoughts into contents for flyers explaining GnG concept and to include some crime statistics. Ms Tan Hwee Sia volunteers to help to provide statistics data.

5. Next Meeting Notice

Date: 24 Oct 2009 ( Saturday )
Time: 4pm – 6pm
Venue: SMK USJ4

Agenda:
1) GnG Draft proposal Discussion
2) Others - Key Requirements for Registration of USJ4RA

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Date of Notice: 19 October 2009

Dear Residents of USJ4/1A-USJ4/2,
(ALL RESIDENTS ARE INVITED TO ATTEND)

Next Meeting Notice

Date: 24 Oct 2009 ( Saturday )
Time: 4pm – 6pm
Venue: SMK USJ4 (Secondary School) - School canteen (USJ4/3)

Agenda:
1) GnG Draft proposal Discussion
2) Others - Key Requirements for Registration of USJ4RA

Note: A list of the current pro-tem committee members is attached for download.

All residents in USJ4 (ALL STREETS) are invited to attend the meetings.
All enquiries please email to pro-tem secretary at: usj4ra@gmail.com

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Date of Notice: 22nd October 2009

The information below is pasted from the USJ Web Forum main thread - Great Community Safety Tips - posted by tupai ("borrowed" from Joe Singh). I am reposting it here for your reading in case any of the readers missed it in the main forum.

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Dear Residents,

To prevent such happenings , it is good to do and have the following :

a) CCTV ( good quality cameras with audio preferred )
b) Alarms in the house
c) Inform your neighbours if no one is in ( give them your contact nos )

d) If you see any suspicious vehicle eg.,

1) Lorry, Van, any big MPV/SUV ( tinted ) parked in front of a neighbours house, hide and observe, if you see anything suspicious, call your local police station,
even if it is a false alarm, it is OK, no cop is going to penalise you , play safe rather than be sorry later. These crooks use big vehicles to block the view of houses
in front . Try not to dry your laundry in front porch as this can also be used as a cover.

e) Keep a dog if you like pets, even a small breed can make the same noise as the big fellows. If you hear a neighbour's dog barking, please come out of your
comfort zone and take the trouble to find out what is irritating the dog , a dog only barks when he see's strangers... call the police if you suspect anything fishy.


f) ACTIVATE YOUR CAR OR HOUSE ALARM if you suspect anything. Remember, these crooks do not like attention and any sound
of alarm is not a good music for them. Other neighbours can chorus on this by activating their cal alarms in unison. More noise better MAH !

g) You can also fix a siren in your home, activate it when the need arises.

Remember : Automatic gates has a wireless frequency and there is a device from China that can read your digital code and these crooks can save it
and unlock your gate . Nothing is fool proof these days.


Remember , being a busybody can make a difference in the safety of your neighbourhood without the need to take the law into your own hands
by illegaly barricading gazetted public roads. Any road tax paying motorist can take you to court and sue you for inconvenience.
This is a fact and I am only sharing the truth of the matter.

A caring neighbourhood is a safe neighbourhood. Get to know your neighbours today , invite each other for a cuppa and exchange phone nos.

Have a safe n pleasant week.

regards

Community service

Joe Singh
SS14RA & Crime Watch Team
Community Policing with SS17 Balai Polis ( Rakan Cop )
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Date of Notice: 26th October 2009

USJ4 AMAN Minutes of Meeting

Date: 24 Oct 2009
Time: 4:00pm – 6:30pm
Venue: SMK USJ4 Canteen

Attendees: 17 members


1. Residents’ Association scope revised to USJ4/1 - 4/2, renamed USJ4 Aman
The initial intention for the RA to encompass USJ4/1 – 4/9 was revised to cover only USJ4/1- USJ4/2 for ease of management and administration. As it is, it was noted that USJ4/3 – 4/4 residents are beginning to set up their own association. Ms Tan Lee Pheng proposed the association to be named as USJ4 Aman, seconded by Ms Tan Hwee Sia and unanimously agreed by all present.

2. Replacements in Committee
Three slots previously held by committee members of USJ4/4 and USJ4/6 became vacant due to (2). These were then filled by
Mr Kok Gim Hock, Mr Alexander Anthony and Pn Mazidah Hj Abd Rahim. Pn Mazidah was also appointed as the Deputy Treasurer. Street Rep for 4/1B is changed to Mr Leong.


3. Discussion of RA constitution
Based on a sample RA constitution, Ms Tan Hwee Sia suggested a few points to be refined when establishing our own association constitution, namely
- Membership fees to be annual instead of monthly
- Election of new committee at AGM by show of hands instead of closed balloting.
En Hamid also highlighted on the need to consider clauses for membership termination to be ceased once the member is no longer a resident.
Committee members were reminded to submit copies of IC to Ms Christine Foo, Deputy Secretary assisting in the RA registration procedures. Next steps to be discussed in next meeting.

4. GnG Draft Proposal Discussion
Mr LWCheah submitted a proposal on behalf of Mr Eddie of USJ4/1A who could not attend. His concerns were noted as an implementation concern. As scheduled in the agenda for the meeting based on the last meeting minutes, Mr JSHan’s draft proposal which was circulated prior to the meeting was used as basis for discussion. After much clarification from the floor, Ms Tan Hwee Sia proposed to accept his proposal, seconded by Mr Chook. A vote took place and was agreed by all present.
The next steps are to look into the implementation part, SOP and policies, sourcing of Security companies as well as costing.

Mr Liu will assist to source for some security companies for evaluation.
Ms Tan Hwee Sia was appointed as Security Coordinator to lead in the evaluation.
Mr JSHan volunteered to come out with a draft of the SOP and policies.
Mr Sanmukam who is the Treasurer will be in charge of costing and estimation.

Meanwhile, Mr Liu and En Hamid may seek the views of our MPSJ Councillor, Mr Rajiv, on the draft plan.

5. Next Meeting Notice

Date: 31 Oct 2009 ( Saturday )
Time: 4pm – 6pm
Venue: SRK Sri Selangor, USJ4/2


Agenda:
1) GnG Discussion – SOP Policies Draft, Implementation, Security Companies
2) Registration of USJ4 AMAN – next steps
3) Others – Review of flyers
4) Committee members to submit IC copies

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Date of Notice: 28th October 2009

Dear Residents of USJ4/1A-USJ4/2,
(ALL RESIDENTS ARE INVITED TO ATTEND)

Next Meeting Notice

Date: 31 Oct 2009 ( Saturday )
Time: 4pm – 6pm
Venue: SRK Sri Selangor, USJ4/2 (Primary School)

Agenda:
1) GnG Discussion – SOP Policies Draft, Implementation, Security Companies
2) Registration of USJ4 AMAN – next steps
3) Others – Review of flyers
4) Committee members to submit IC copies

All residents in USJ4/1 - USJ4/2 are invited to attend the meetings.
All enquiries please email to pro-tem secretary at: usj4ra@gmail.com

SPECIAL NOTE: Amendment to minutes of 24/10/2009

Item 2
Three slots previously held by committee members of USJ4/4 and USJ4/6 became vacant due to (1). (and not (2) )

Item 4
Mr JSHan volunteered to come out with a draft of the SOP and policies.
=> Mr GH Kok & Mr JS Han to assist with draft of implementation plan and policies.

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Date of Notice: 29th October 2009

Dear Residents of USJ4/1-USJ4/2 (USJ4 AMAN RA)

The link below leads to an article on Guarded and Gated (G&G) from a legal perspective - This is for your reference and to further enhance your understanding. Please note that this article is by no means comprehensive and any further indepth discussions/consultations should be done with a legal firm.


http://www.hg.org/article.asp?id=6220


All enquiries please email to pro-tem secretary at: usj4ra@gmail.com

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Date of Notice: 4th November 2009

USJ4 AMAN Minutes of Meeting

Date: 31 Oct 2009
Time: 4:00pm – 6:00pm
Venue: SRK Sri Selangor, USJ4/2 (Primary School)

ALL STREEETS’ REPS, PLEASE BE PRESENT FOR THIS COMING MEETING ON 7/11. YOUR ATTENDANCE IS HIGHLY APPRECIATED.

The meeting started off by welcoming Mr Rajiv – MPSJ Councilor of Zone 3. We have also 2 new members, Mr Tony Lee & Mr KH Beh from USJ4/1H. Issues of legality & illegality was advised by Mr Rajiv. Mr Liu proposed to meet up with MPSJ – En Ismail from Perancang Unit next week, preferably in the morning. Those need to be there are Mr Liu, Mr Cheah, Mr Han, Mr GH Kok, Mr Hamid & Ms Choo or Christine.

ACTION TO BE DONE/WHO/BY WHEN

1. Fencing – to get another 2 quotes/Mr GH Kok/7/11

2. Flyers – to revise the contents./Mr Cheah/1/11 Ccommittee members to vet through the contents in the flyers and revert./ALL/3/11


3. Photocopy 800 pcs of Flyers/Christine/5/11 and ready for distribution on 7/11

4. To call street reps to be present on 7/11 meeting for briefing./Christine/this week.


5. Other matters –

a) To proceed with ROS – please submit photocopy of IC for those haven’t given. (those in the exec committee – minimum 7 ppl)


b) Also collected RM140 from the group as an initial “petty cash” to start off for the printing of flyers. Thanks to the contributors.


c) Mr Shanmugan resigned as the Treasurer & Mr Liu proposed the Deputy Treasurer- Pn Mazidah as the new Treasurer, seconded by Mr Hamid and all present.


d) Mr Hamid has passed on 4 sets of ROS (in English) for reference and follow-up.

6. Next meeting Notice:

Venue: SRK Sri Selangor, USJ4/2 (Primary School Canteen)
Date: 7th November, 2009. (Saturday)
Time: 4.00pm – 6.00pm

Agenda:
1) Briefing of Flyers
2) To get consensus on the timeline on reverting the flyers to the Committee.
3) Fencing
4) Dry run on the proposed G&G.
5) AOB- Any other business

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Date of Notice: 5th November 2009

Dear Residents of USJ4/1A-USJ4/2,
(ALL RESIDENTS ARE INVITED TO ATTEND)

Next meeting Notice:

Venue: SRK Sri Selangor, USJ4/2 (Primary School Canteen)
Date: 7th November, 2009. (Saturday)
Time: 4.00pm – 6.00pm

ALL STREEETS’ REPS, PLEASE BE PRESENT FOR THIS COMING MEETING ON 7/11. YOUR ATTENDANCE IS HIGHLY APPRECIATED.

Agenda:
1) Briefing of Flyers
2) To get consensus on the timeline on reverting the flyers to the Committee.
3) Fencing
4) Dry run on the proposed G&G.
5) AOB- Any other business


All residents in USJ4/1 - USJ4/2 are invited to attend the meetings.
All enquiries please email to pro-tem secretary at: usj4ra@gmail.com

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Date of Notice: 11th November 2009

USJ4 Aman Minutes of Meeting

Date: 7 Nov 2009
Time: 4:00pm – 6:20pm
Venue: S.K. Sri Selangor

Attendees: 15 members

1. Flyers
A big applause was given to Ms Tan for helping to print more than 600 flyers for FREE, and Mr LWCheah for drafting the flyer.

Street Rep to take note of the following of what to mention when distributing flyers. REMEMBER to put your details on EACH feedback form as the Street Rep.

- 1 household to get 1 set of flyer ( 2 sheets), 1 SJAlert Sticker and 1 SJAlert membership form
- Objective is to collect residents’ feedback on supporting GnG
- Overall approach plan is in the process of being finalized, will update resident
- Mention that fencing, 24 hours security is being proposed
- NO MENTION of fees, not even “guess-timation”,
- But do mention that the more are favourable, it will help to bring down the fees
- No crime statistics

IMPORTANT: Each Street Rep to record in the Resident List Excel worksheet based on the reply form and add 1 last column to mark ‘Y’ and ‘N’. Deadline : 22 Nov

The Street Representatives on 4/1H, 4/1G, 4/1J, 4/1K and 4/2 would be contacted by Ms Christine who would pass them the material. Ms Choo would pass to Street Rep 4/1N.

2. Fencing
Mr GHKok shared that the 3 quotations received that included fencing and 5 gates. Discussions were held on the quotations. It was suggested to reduce the number of gates from 5 to 3 or 4.

Action : Mr GHKok to ask contractors to revise quotation.

Mr GHKok will be assisted by Mr JSHan and Mr Leong as a team to look into capital expenses eg. Fencing, barriers, booths, stickers, etc.

3. Security Companies
Ms Tan shared the following quotations received from security companies which also visited the area proposed for GnG:

Paraforce
- Utilise Nepalese(conversant in Eng+Malay), Sabahan or Sarawakian guards
- 6 guards to man 3 posts plus patrolling, 12 hour shift


Eagle Eye
- Utilise Nepalese(conversant in Eng+Malay), or local guards
- 3 guards ( of which one will be a local supervisor) to man 3 posts plus patrolling, 12 hour shift


StarCMS has yet to submit quotation.

All agreed to fix requirements for 2 guards per post so 6 guards in each 12 hour shift.

Action : Ms Tan to request requote from Eagle Eye and to follow-up with StarCMS.


4. Dry Run
As part of GnG Implementation upon engaging the security company, a dry run is to be conducted, monitored by committee members for finetuning.

5. GnG Plan Presentation to MPSJ
Mr Liu suggested to meet En Ismail of MPSJ to present the GnG plan on Wednesday 11 Nov at 9:00am with En Hamid, Ms Choo, Mr JSHan and Ms Tan.

6. ROS Registration
To request for YB Hannah Yeoh’s support to speed up processing time
- To utilise Mr Liu’s address as association address
- Annual membership as RM12, to be collected once a year
- Joining fee as RM 2

Action : En Hamid to incorporate the above info into the association constitution and
send softcopy for committee members to review by next meeting.

On a separate note, to facilitate payment collection before the RA is registered, Mr Liu suggested to have a joint account with Chairman,Secretary and Treasurer as joint account holders. To avoid cash handling, payment recommended to be made by cheque.

7. Next Meeting Notice

Date: 14 Nov 2009 ( Saturday )
Time: 4pm – 6pm
Venue: S.K. Sri Selangor

Agenda:
1) ROS updates
2) GnG Plan Presentation to MPSJ updates
3) Flyer updates
4) Fencing updates
5) Security Company updates
6) Other matters

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Date of Notice: 11th November 2009

Dear Residents of USJ4/1A-USJ4/2,
(ALL RESIDENTS ARE INVITED TO ATTEND)

Next Meeting Notice

Date: 14 Nov 2009 ( Saturday )
Time: 4pm – 6pm
Venue: S.K. Sri Selangor (Primary School Canteen)

Agenda:
1) ROS updates
2) GnG Plan Presentation to MPSJ updates
3) Flyer updates
4) Fencing updates
5) Security Company updates
6) Other matters

All residents in USJ4/1 - USJ4/2 are invited to attend the meetings.
All enquiries please email to pro-tem secretary at: usj4ra@gmail.com

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Date of Notice: 19th November 2009

Special Notice:
IMPORTANT:
ALL STREET REPS, PLEASE MAKE TIME TO ATTEND COMING MEETING AND TO UPDATE ON FLYER FEEDBACK / STATUS. YOUR ATTENDANCE IS GREATLY APPRECIATED.

If you can't make it, appreciate that you update via email or request a fellow resident to attend on your behalf. Thank you for your cooperation.

The meeting venue if not at the canteen will be at a classroom, on the ground floor of ANGGERIK block ( first block on the right as you enter the school gate ).

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USJ4 Aman Minutes of Meeting

Date: 14 Nov 2009
Time: 4:00pm – 7:15pm
Venue: S.K. Sri Selangor

Attendees: 10 members

1. ROS Updates
Ms Choo/Christine to furnish IC numbers of committee members to En Hamid to complete ROS application. Mr Liu stressed that RA registration and GnG to proceed in parallel.

2. GnG Plan Presentation to MPSJ - Updates
Mr Liu, En Hamid, Mr JSHan, Ms Tan, Ms Choo together with advisor Mr TKLee met with En Ismail Muhammad, MPSJ Director of Town Planning on 11 Nov 2009. The GnG overall approach of fencing, implementing road barriers during normal hours, school hours, night hours and Friday Solat hours were discussed. En Ismail acknowledged our plan and provided a GnG Guideline roadmap for our reference.

Ms Choo to draft letter to officially inform MPSJ on the USJ4 Aman RA’s GnG initiative.

3. Flyer Updates

Out of 14 Street Reps, only 5 attended. Updates so far are :

USJ 4/1A – 20% responded with majority favourable.
USJ 4/1B – 51% responded with majority favourable.
USJ 4/1C – 25% responded with all favourable.
USJ 4/1J - about 70% verbally favourable.
USJ 4/1M – 30% responded with majority favourable.

Out of responses received, a few unfavourable responses were highlighted.
a) current GnG is unfavourable unless state-of-the-art security system is in place
b) personal preference for high-spec fence
c) self-reliant and comfortable with current situation
d) perceive GnG as confined “in prison”
e) concerns on foreign guards credibility – security company to have a local supervisor in overseeing guards’ performance

All other street reps who couldn’t attend were urged to update status via email. Attendance of all street reps are vital in NEXT MEETING to discuss on next steps.


4. Fencing Gates Updates
The gates along the fence are to allow pedestrians/cyclists access but deterring other vehicles. All gates are opened during daytime but locked at night. The following number of gates are agreed.

1 Gate along USJ 4/1A
Preferred option to fence up between Mosque-SriComel carpark and park instead of gate to eliminate exposure

2 Gates at inner lanes along USJ 4/2, and sealed fence/gate at backlane between USJ4/1M and USJ4/2

5. Security Company Updates
Ms Tan was unable to attend but latest updates was that a third security company had submitted quotation.

6. Other Matters

- Stickers
GHKok and Lee Pheng shared some designs. LWCheah suggested using unique shapes for differentiation and ease of identification. All members were urged to submit ideas.

- Costing
All other items target to cost-in by end of November – GHKok and team.

- Treasurer post vacant
Pn Mazidah was unable to fill this or take up any committee post. Request volunteers.

- Payment Collection concerns
Concerns were raised on collection method. Mr Liu suggested payment of 6 months in advance, strictly in cheque only, to be collected by street reps in their respective streets.

7. Next Meeting Notice

Date: 21 Nov 2009 ( Saturday )
Time: 4pm – 6pm
Venue: S.K. Sri Selangor

Agenda:
1) ROS updates
2) Flyer updates
3) Fencing updates
4) Security Company updates
5) Discussion to organize gathering of USJ4/1 – 4/2 residents with YB Hannah Yeoh
6) Other Matters

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Date of Notice: 19th November 2009

Dear Residents of USJ4/1A-USJ4/2,
(ALL RESIDENTS ARE INVITED TO ATTEND)

Next Meeting Notice

Date: 21 Nov 2009 ( Saturday )
Time: 4pm – 6pm
Venue: S.K. Sri Selangor

Agenda:
1) ROS updates
2) Flyer updates
3) Fencing updates
4) Security Company updates
5) Discussion to organize gathering of USJ4/1 – 4/2 residents with YB Hannah Yeoh
6) Other Matters

All residents in USJ4/1 - USJ4/2 are invited to attend the meetings.
All enquiries please email to pro-tem secretary at: usj4ra@gmail.com

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Date of Notice: 22nd November 2009

Two suspicious motorcyclists were seen circling around the USJ4/1 area especially in the vicinty of USJ4/1A, USJ4/1F and USJ4/1G - seen at least twice by one of our residents on Friday.

It was noted by the resident that these two suspicious persons' behaviours are like those of people "checking out" the houses - looking left and right and slowly cruising.

So, residents of USJ4/1/-2 esp the streets mentioned above, PLEASE BE ALERT. Another resident, who is a forumer has highlighted the situation to SJAlert.

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Date of Notice: 26th November 2009

USJ4 Aman Minutes of Meeting (21/11/2009)

Please find attached the USJ4 Aman Minutes of Meeting (21/11/2009) in PDF format (click on icon at bottom of this post)

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Next Meeting Notice (28/11/2009)

Dear Residents of USJ4/1A-USJ4/2,
(ALL RESIDENTS ARE INVITED TO ATTEND)

Next Meeting Notice

Date: 28 Nov 2009 ( Saturday )
Time: 4pm – 6pm
Venue: S.K. Sri Selangor (Classroom 4Reds, Anggerik Block)

Agenda:

1) Flyer updates
2) Stickers updates
3) Facility updates
4) Security updates
5) Planning on GnG Briefing Gathering
( Date, VIP Guests, Sponsor, Banner, Tents, Refreshment, etc.)
6) Other Matters

[twohands]

any latest updates or minutes from the last meeting?

[usj4comm]

any latest updates or minutes from the last meeting?

The last 2 meetings was mainly focused on trying to get more responses for the feedback forms which had been sadly poor. :(

Furthermore, key members of the committee were not available due to work and personal commitment, hence delays in certain key action items. As it stands, the positive response rate of only 50+% will make the project difficult to implement. Thus members of the committee and street representatives are now endeavouring to work out a strategy to overcome the apathy.

No official minutes were taken as it was more of a gathering of volunteers discussing ways to overcome the apathy.

Thank you for your concern - it is most appreciated. For any further info please email usj4ra@gmail.com

[twohands]

The last 2 meetings was mainly focused on trying to get more responses for the feedback forms which had been sadly poor. :(

Furthermore, key members of the committee were not available due to work and personal commitment, hence delays in certain key action items. As it stands, the positive response rate of only 50+% will make the project difficult to implement. Thus members of the committee and street representatives are now endeavouring to work out a strategy to overcome the apathy.

No official minutes were taken as it was more of a gathering of volunteers discussing ways to overcome the apathy.

Thank you for your concern - it is most appreciated. For any further info please email usj4ra@gmail.com

well, maybe the poor response could be made better if the feedback forms were made known to the residents better. i personally had to require my street rep to make a visit to my home for the form (i was not in when the street rep made his visit down the street). and thankfully he was nice and kind enough to find time to come get the feedback form/consent. my parents who live in usj 4/1j also didn't get a visit from the street rep. now this makes me wonder how diligent are the street reps in trying to get the feedback/consent. perhaps another round or two by the street reps might bring more results.

this is just my personal feedback to the current stagnant situation. no offense is intended and the voluntary action of the committee and all personnel involved is very, very much appreciated. thank you all.

cheers

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Dear Residents of USJ4/1-USJ4/2,

This post is to update you on the current progress and development of our USJ4AMAN Pro-Tem Resident Association and Guarded and Gated (G&G) Project.

1) For the month of December 2009, there will be no more meetings due to the stretch of long holiday weekends, and the majority of the committee members (volunteers) will also be busy for the festive season as well as preparing their young ones for school. Official meetings will resume in January 2010.

2) As of December 1st, 2009, the POSITIVE response rate for the G&G project is just above the 50% mark, which is not good and would be extremely costly to proceed with such low level of support. The response rate is just over 60%, again insufficient for the committee to be able to make any major DEFINITE decisions.

3) The street representatives will try over the next few weeks to discuss and persuade the non-respondents to state their positions of either YES or NO for the G&G project. It has been noted that some streets have obtained very high level of support while others are very dismal. If the situation does not improve come Jan-Feb 2010, the Pro-Tem RA may have to come up with alternative strategies or schemes.

4) The application for the ROS registration of the USJ4AMAN RA is proceeding as planned.

5) The USJ4RA Pro-tem Commitee members would like to wish ALL RESIDENTS a very MERRY XMAS and HAPPY NEW YEAR !

All enquiries please email to pro-tem secretary at: usj4ra@gmail.com

[Henry T]

The good work of the USJ4AMAN RA Pro-tem committee is very much appreciated.

:)

[SARAS]

I would also like to congratulate USJ4/1 Team for coming this far. I saw that they were very organised and systematic from the beginning. Followed all the rules, got advise from others who had gone before them, got support from the leaders.

Don't lose heart with the current statistics. Everyone has to start somewhere. The others will follow when they see results. It will get better with your perseverance. Rally the reps - nothing beats going door-to-door a few rounds. The 80:20 rule will prevail.

Keep it up and Don't give up!

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Date of Notice: 1st February 2010

USJ4 Aman Minutes of Meeting

Date: 30 January 2010
Time: 4:00pm – 6:00pm
Venue: S.K. Sri Selangor

Attendees: 8 members

1) GnG Status Review
As of Dec 10, 2009 and with no new updates on the flyer response since then, it was reported that overall positive responses were less than 46%. Majority did not reply back.

Due to the discouraging response and in view of the uphill task to garner support in order to move forward, it was decided that until the residents feel more ready to adopt, the present GnG project shall be put aside.

2) Tasks

a) Flyer to inform status and decision to residents
b) Letter to thank S.K. Sri Selangor for the use of its premise for the RA meetings
c) All outputs as a result of the planning of the pro-tem committee shall be uploaded onto the USJ.com.my website as reference and for reuse in case the GnG is revived; pending permission from webmaster - (Note: The webmaster has advised against that for security and safety of the USJ4/1-2 area)

3) Pro-tem Committee Dissolved
With this meeting, the pro-tem committee for USJ4RA initiated to embark on GnG was dissolved with immediate effect.

Thank you to ALL THE VOLUNTEERS.

[usj4comm]

From the ex-USJ4 AMAN Resident Association Pro-tem Committee

Date: 1st February 2010

Dear Residents of USJ4/1-USJ4/2,

CANCELATION OF G&G PROJECT AND DISSOLUTION OF THE PRO-TEM COMMITTEE.

Despite the efforts and time spent by the volunteers to promote a Guarded and Gated (G&G) project for our area, the huge percentage of non-response by the residents and the low percentage of positive support have made the project not feasible in terms of acceptance level (less than 50%) and cost of implementation.

Thus, with deep regret and disappointment, the ex-USJ4 AMAN Resident Association (USJ4RA) Pro-tem committee has decided to abandon the G&G project altogether and dissolve the committee on the 30th January 2010.

We would like to wish all of you the best in safeguarding your own individual premises. To those residents who have responded positively, we would like to thank you for your support and encouragement throughout the duration.

Information on the minutes of meetings and discussions are made available online at www.usj.com.my; under the thread name: USJ4/1-2 (AMAN) RA Community Notice Board (http://www.usj.com.my/bulletin/upload/showthread.php?t=28304 )


With best regards from,

ex-USJ4 AMAN Resident Association Pro-tem Committee (DISSOLVED on 30th January 2010)

[SCCheah]

Thank you, thank you, thank you!!


I am so happy to hear this news. At least our USJ 4/1 is back to our senses.

Thanks to everyone. Let's get back control of our own neighbourhood instead of letting foreign guards etc control us. Let us watch out for each other.

If there is a need to do night patrols, I will volunteer. I've said this openly.

:) :) :) :)

[currymee]

Thank you, thank you, thank you!!


I am so happy to hear this news. At least our USJ 4/1 is back to our senses.

Thanks to everyone. Let's get back control of our own neighbourhood instead of letting foreign guards etc control us. Let us watch out for each other.

If there is a need to do night patrols, I will volunteer. I've said this openly.

:) :) :) :)

Actually if you were to read carefully what was written - it is the APATHY of the residents that caused the failure of the G&G in USJ4/1-2.

As for watching out for each other and doing night patrols in the area as you suggested, based on the same APATHY level, I think you will be sadly disappointed BUT do go ahead and try to arrange one, I am sure there may be a few volunteers. (BTW, someone needs to organise whatever night patrol or safety programme for the area since the pro-tem RA has dissolved)

I have just spoken to one of the ex-RA members after reading the notices here, and he said, the APATHY and TAK-KISAH (bo-chap) level is unbelievable high, so I guess, for USJ4/1-2 residents, it is everyone for him or herself - good luck - I am going to SS19 petshop and get myself an Alsatian !! :p :)

[SCCheah]

It is not bo-chup.

We know that this form of FnG- blocking here and there - will not help in the long run. It is also not sustainable because whether the anti-FnG is in the minority or majority- eventually you will face collection problem. The legality of the FnG is also an important issue.

In the case of GnG (previously we all mix up the FnG with GnG) all put it simply- residential developments that initially came with properly gated and guarded communities (like Tropicana, Gita Bayu, Aman Suria etc) people buy homes there because they want such a security system.

Everyone bought with their eyes open. So if any purchasers/residents later say that they don't want to pay the few hundred ringgit, they are morally wrong. Some have argued that some of these landed residential developments also have internal roads that are public roads and so they do not want to pay. In such a case, I feel the residents should pay as they bought their homes knowing full well that they have to share the common facilities.

The case is totally different with townships like USJ.
So to say tidak-apa attitude is wrong.

[currymee]

It is not bo-chup.

We know that this form of FnG- blocking here and there - will not help in the long run. It is also not sustainable because whether the anti-FnG is in the minority or majority- eventually you will face collection problem. The legality of the FnG is also an important issue.

In the case of GnG (previously we all mix up the FnG with GnG) all put it simply- residential developments that initially came with properly gated and guarded communities (like Tropicana, Gita Bayu, Aman Suria etc) people buy homes there because they want such a security system.

Everyone bought with their eyes open. So if any purchasers/residents later say that they don't want to pay the few hundred ringgit, they are morally wrong. Some have argued that some of these landed residential developments also have internal roads that are public roads and so they do not want to pay. In such a case, I feel the residents should pay as they bought their homes knowing full well that they have to share the common facilities.

The case is totally different with townships like USJ.
So to say tidak-apa attitude is wrong.

No point discussing or counter-point anymore for USJ4/1-2 - based on what I was told by the ex-RA member on their statistics and feedbacks, it is APATHY since the majority of residents don't even bother to fill in a form saying a simple YES/NO to the idea (with no commitments). It is not wisdom or whatever legal aspect you like to believe, maybe for a few well-informed like yourself, it is just plain old fashion apathy - that was what I was told, so no need to chew me out on this. Well, time for me to move on to a more interesting and enjoyable thread - this is a closed case liow.

[umadavid]

No point discussing or counter-point anymore for USJ4/1-2 - based on what I was told by the ex-RA member on their statistics and feedbacks, it is APATHY since the majority of residents don't even bother to fill in a form saying a simple YES/NO to the idea (with no commitments). It is not wisdom or whatever legal aspect you like to believe, maybe for a few well-informed like yourself, it is just plain old fashion apathy - that was what I was told, so no need to chew me out on this. Well, time for me to move on to a more interesting and enjoyable thread - this is a closed case liow.
100% sokong. NW might work but when they strike during day time, it is back to square one. Trust me, we tried it for several years (WE had the support - 4 to 6 men every night) but then day time robbery became rampant while nights were safe...mothers and school kids coming back in the afternoon were the target...attacked with long parangs :mad:

Now we are have 24 hr security and peace of mind. Yes, it is hard to make it work, we appreciate the dedicated committee who put in time and effort to make it successful and applaud ourselves for supporting it (yeah, the same ones who did the night beat to protect our neighbourhood families). We don't even mind supporting the 10% of free loaders (who knows what difficulties they might be facing in coming up with the RM40/per month)

Each to his own. I emphatise.

[driftingrover]

We don't even mind supporting the 10% of free loaders knows

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why r those not supportive being labelled free loaders? so what u r saying is that because u see it fit, everyone must follow?

[robertec]

I posted this in the main forum and I will repeat it here again:


KW, hope you do not mind for this post to be on the main forum for a few days. This is important information/notice for about 700 households, I was told.

I am re-posting on behalf of the ex-RA on the main forum in case there are some USJ4/1-2 residents who may miss the official notice in the G&G sub-forum - http://www.usj.com.my/bulletin/upload/showthread.php?t=28304

I can understand the frustrations.

Well at least one thing good came out of this exercise, you guys got to know a lot of other neighbours living in your area.

But why disband?? Change it to a Neighbourhood Watch Group, keep your core supporters informed with emails and information etc... besides, the situation may change.

Keep in touch with the Polis, go on patrols with them etc..

Don't let the burglars, snatch thieves, car thieves and generally BAD people win.

[currymee]

KW, since the USJ4 AMAN RA has dissolved and is no longer an existing entity - perhaps it is best for this thread (notice board) to be closed lest it gets hijacked with all sorts of unrelated posts.

[currymee]

I posted this in the main forum and I will repeat it here again:



I can understand the frustrations.

Well at least one thing good came out of this exercise, you guys got to know a lot of other neighbours living in your area.

But why disband?? Change it to a Neighbourhood Watch Group, keep your core supporters informed with emails and information etc... besides, the situation may change.

Keep in touch with the Polis, go on patrols with them etc..

Don't let the burglars, snatch thieves, car thieves and generally BAD people win.

Robert,

My neighbour and I am trying to round up some of the ex-USJ4AMAN RA that are still keen on having some form of neighbourhood community safety programmes for maybe a few streets instead of a wide area like the GnG plan - how do we go about with the NW? The NW website seems to be non-functional and KAPUT !! The latest info was like 2008 !!!

[ghkok747]

I'm an ex-committee member. I think to give a more complete picture, we must take into consideration that USJ4/1-2 is a unique area. It is probably the only area in USJ that has a row of shophouses, two petrol stations, one masjid, one huge tadika, one quite-large heavily-used padang and the whole area is adjacent to Sekolah Rendah Sri Selangor, all within an area of about 2 sq km and all those things are next to each other and there is no physical or natural separation between those things and the cluster of residences' houses, plus the fact that we are situated just off the main Persiaran Tujuan that is just before the bottleneck in SS19.

So it would have been a logistical feat to implement a GnG in this area to begin with. This could be one reason for the high percentage of "no replies" as residents ponder how it's going to work. The geography of the area makes it very difficult. That's it. Time to move on ... peacefully. Others are welcomed to start new initiatives.

[SCCheah]

Kudos to you ghkok747! Keen observation! Indeed, putting aside all other arguments about the necessity and legality of the FnG issues, USJ4/1 where I live is exactly what ghkok747 has described.

It is in military term an indefensible area- there are four through roads with many public amenities. There are also two kindergartens - including a big one (blue roof). This big kindergarten has so many kids that flashy cars (Mercs, Alphaard, BMWs) form a long queue every day just to pick up the tiny tots. Many of them come from other areas. Can you imagine when you block off the roads?!

And oh yes, although I am semi-retired, my kids are still in primary school. If USJ4/1 is blocked off (blocking the two back roads and the one leading to the shophouses) with only one narrow access road (from Persiaran Tujuan), I can't imagine the bottle neck. As it is everyday is already a bottleneck! People in frantic rush to drive in and out may just accidentally ram the guard house or the guards.
My wife and I take turns to fetch kids to Lick Hung every morning and we have to leave our house before 6.50am otherwise we can forget about reaching the school on time. The traffic outside at Persiaran Tujuan is horrendous.

This is exactly what I have been trying to say- in the haste and enthusiasm to be vigilantes and defend your so-called safety, people have become very selfish. They think everyone is for FnG.

Those who support FnG may also comprise some youngsters or retired people who may not run chores like we do. We have to fetch kids at odd hours- they study till 4pm, sometimes till 1pm.

As ghkok747 rightly pointed out there is also a fairly big mosque here. How do you control the traffic and check the people coming in and out of the mosque? An Indonesian robber (example) can pretend that he is going to the mosque for prayers etc.

USJ4/1's big playground is heavily used. It is one of the better playgrounds with many shady trees and undulating terrain that makes for a pleasant landscape. My kids and I go cycling there. We like our USJ4/1 area and that's why we have been living here since 1990.

[ghkok747]

Well SCCheah, the way I would look at this is that, despite the overwhelming geographical odds, there are people in our community who despite having to struggle with all the daily nightmares of shuttling kids to school, doing daily chores and all the other things you spoke about above and some of us even have to make our way to work to earn a living, and yet we pulled ourselves together to try to think of a way to tackle the crime situation by way of GnG. Well, the sacrifice is not as much as what Martin Luther King did for the civil rights movement but it's a lot more than what most people are willing to do. So, regardless of how you choose to look at it, that's the way I would look at it. Let's just move on ...

[SCCheah]

Yes, move on.


Indeed, there are many people who have to do daily chores like me. So no point tormenting ourselves and others further with blocked roads etc and make our lives more miserable.

Just like illnesses, accidents, robberies etc. There's so much one can do., no point going to extremes and live like a frightened rabbit.

Now the police have got their pay rise. Let's hope they will be all out catching the criminals. There is also a nice, big police station in USJ8. The car park is really big. Such good facilities for our police. Let's see results.

Blocking roads and fencing up are not the right way to do things. Just look across our area- the dozen or so oil drums put up in the USJ2 bungalow area..just off Persiaran Tujuan.

Staying in a condo also has its problems.

The most secured (also not 100 per cent guarantee) are those upmarket landed strata developments or very high-end condos but the monthly maintenance charges are very high... some as high as RM1,000 a month!.

[ghkok747]

Yes there are accidents, illnesses, etc in life but we don't sit back and do nothing. We buy insurance, take evasive action, fortify our health, etc. Same as the crime situation. We were trying to respond to the threat to our community. We were trying to fortify our defences via GnG. We're proud that we tried doing something. Not doing anything is cowardice. It's irresponsible to ourselves and to our community. Waiting for the police to do something is even worse - we're not getting results that's why we got together to do something.

Ok, I've got work to do, so this is my last post.

[SCCheah]

Yes, that's what I am saying. There's so much one can do.

We buy health insurance in case we fall seriously ill.

We save money so that we can retire fairly peacefully without borrowing and kids have enough money for a decent education.

There's a famous late tycoon in Penang who is so afraid of air crash that he refused to fly.

Indeed, it's a good thing people are responding to the crime situation by thinking out ways to fight crimes. I didn't say it's wrong but do it properly.

If you have read my previous comments, instead of keeping quiet after my house was burgled, I managed to set up four backlane gates. We got almost 100 per cent support but we have to go around "begging" (3 of us) for 6 weeks. Not a word of thanks but we don't mind. Just like you...in the RA committee but after thinking it through properly you all have come to a wise decision.

Thanks kok. OK, I also got to fetch my daughter.

[robertec]

Robert,

My neighbour and I am trying to round up some of the ex-USJ4AMAN RA that are still keen on having some form of neighbourhood community safety programmes for maybe a few streets instead of a wide area like the GnG plan - how do we go about with the NW? The NW website seems to be non-functional and KAPUT !! The latest info was like 2008 !!!

Sorry about the Neighbourhood Watch Website, we have some issues with the web based program that runs the NWatch Website and I never could find the time to update it because of the tech issues and my various other Community commitments. Thousand apologies.

We intend to take ownership of the website in the near future as the historial data on the website goes back quite a number of years.

Why don't you start off with gathering these ex-Aman members and setting up a Protem Neighbourhood Watch Committee, things will fall in place once this has been done.

I am not saying that it is going to be easy, it needs a lot of dedication and time.

You could well see a change in the attitude, when you go around to see the same people you saw the last time.

If you so desire, you can use the Neighbourhood Watch Logo with our blessings.

In the meantime, I will lock this thread up and you start another afresh.