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firefox
14-10-2009, 04:03 PM
Okay he wishes to be buried next to his grandfather and father in Sitiawan..will our government grant him at least this wish?..i doubt it, he say why its not possibe and i agree.

http://www.themalaysianinsider.com/index.php/malaysia/40347-chin-pengs-last-fight-to-be-buried-in-sitiawan

bslee
14-10-2009, 04:14 PM
Malayans suffered a lot under the Emergency era which disrupted progress. They were just terrorists stalking the jungles to an ideology and lost cause that wouldn't work here. Chin Peng got what he deserved and paying for it, exile. Anyone who looses a war pays for it naturally. The way history and media have villified him, I reckon it stays that way for a long time and eventually forgotten in a way no-one will speak any good of it.
I gather veteran British troops who were fighting other people's war here duing the emergency era have no sympathy for this man. They too paid with their lives fighting other people's war.

Sentinel
14-10-2009, 04:18 PM
But BS, though your reasoning carries some water, may I ask you about the Peace Truce Agreement signed in Haadyai by the IGP then Tun Haniff Omar and Director of Special Branch (later IGP too) Rahim Noor with Chin Peng? Don't you think an agreement is an agreement and should be honoured as sanctity?

Even Rahim Noor felt that the government should honor its agreement.

Secondly, why are the rest of the communist leaders from CPM who were non-Chinese allowed to return?

umadavid
14-10-2009, 04:23 PM
Okay he wishes to be buried next to his grandfather and father in Sitiawan..will our government grant him at least this wish?..i doubt it, he say why its not possibe and i agree.

http://www.themalaysianinsider.com/index.php/malaysia/40347-chin-pengs-last-fight-to-be-buried-in-sitiawan
The ruling should be across the bar...here we have known cases of communist who have been allowed back into the country. If others have been allowed back so should Chin Peng. The government must be impartial.

Sparrow
14-10-2009, 04:24 PM
The government is more willing to bring back a dead body of a terrorist then to allow an old man to return home.

What threat can a 80+ old man do?

bslee
14-10-2009, 04:39 PM
Sentinel: On principle, the garmen should honor the promise, which they haven't and I think they could be viewing him worse than Herman Goring, Reichsmarchall of the 3rd Reich, moreover dilly dally citing many excuses to avoid the issue, till the man is dead???
I suppose this is how things go down in this land where promises can be ignored, forgotten or distracted. I still think the man doesn't deserve to come back and he's to pay the ultimate price of exile. Some of his other henchmen (Rashid Maidin?) didn't and they'll be forgotten eventually. I suppose he's lucky the authorities didn't drag him back for war crimes and a severe penalty.

Sentinel
14-10-2009, 04:49 PM
It shows what kind of people we have as our leaders if they do not honor a truce agreement. If one cannot keep his word, one should not make a truce.

I am no supporter nor sympathiser of Chin Peng. I just feel like what many others do: let the bugger come back and honor his ancestors and let him die in Sitiawan lah.... whats the big deal?

If the govt can spend tens of thousands to send a Hercules C130 transport plane all the way to Jakarta and back to bring back a dead terrorist Nordin Mat Top... then be fair lah.

bslee
14-10-2009, 04:59 PM
I think getting the truce and surrender terms done IS the main objective, whatever the cost to end hostilities, cost of the war, and make the rakyat happy. THAT was ultimate and prime objective, just like those who get elected, then promises...WHAT promises?

I suppose Nordin top doesn't top the list of villians as much as CP. I've already said I believe and confident he's viewed worse than even Hitler or Tojo. CP waged war and terrorism for a few decades and thousands died, even the British had to be here to fight our war.

sjcc
14-10-2009, 05:30 PM
The government is more willing to bring back a dead body of a terrorist then to allow an old man to return home.

What threat can a 80+ old man do?

this statement gave me the chills and goosebums. i think that the government should embrace the 1malaysia that theyve been shouting across the table. he is a malaysian and he fought for what he think is right. i think that chinpeng is a nationalist and should be treated with respect. he's our past, our history and our bridge to learn what really happened.

i cant even start to list down why he should be allowed to come back. why are our leaders being so immature and emotional about this? do they have something to hide? or are they just a bunch of old folks yang suka berdendam?

beats me.

coleslaw
14-10-2009, 08:06 PM
asked the families whose loved ones died during that period under chin peng.
unlike him,they never got a chance to live till 85.
my father in law's whole family,relatives included, were all killed. he was saved cos he went for a movie. in just a couple of hours, he was an orphan.
i've never met my grandfather. he was killed before i was born. my late uncle was badly injured stepping on a booby trap.
so chin peng, if you are not allowed back, blame yourself not the government.

Sentinel
14-10-2009, 10:16 PM
Sure, I feel for those who lost their loved ones. I lost some of my older relatives too to the Japanese soldiers during the occupation. But hey, my favourite entertainer is Akemi Ishii lah...

If we cannot forgive and move forward, we will always hold a baggage in us. Then don't drive Honda or Toyota lor, don't watch Pokemon or Ultraman and don't use Shiseido lor...

I bet Putrajaya just don't know how to be magnanimous in victory....

Mat Bruce
15-10-2009, 12:44 AM
Don't underestimate an 80 year old man... :D

Rhiga
15-10-2009, 10:15 AM
If the body of the most-wanted terrorist can be flown back with tax payer money and buried in his home soil, then Chin Peng deserves to come back.

When he signed a peach agreement with gomen with a condition he is allowed to come back, then it is the legal obligation of the gomen to allow him to come back.

Period

tupai
15-10-2009, 11:37 AM
If the body of the most-wanted terrorist can be flown back with tax payer money and buried in his home soil, then Chin Peng deserves to come back.

When he signed a peach agreement with gomen with a condition he is allowed to come back, then it is the legal obligation of the gomen to allow him to come back.

Period


SOKONG!

'terrorists' who succeded in their cause will be eventually be celebrated & honored as Patriots in history. The losers will forever be branded terrorists.

Anyway,
Whats not honoured in a truce/peace treaty, by the bolehland gomen reflects the character of our gomen. They have been flip-flopping through out...they continue to flip-flop with us the taxpaying citizens...what more an exile?

Yang Berkecewa dgn gomen continuous lack of principles latotupai

Sentinel
15-10-2009, 11:48 AM
Tupai, you are a corporate man yourself and I am sure you must have come across the numerous times when our business partners insist the contracts disputes, if any, are to be arbitrated in Singapore courts? That tells you how much trust is there in our country / countrymen honoring their words.

firefox
15-10-2009, 12:21 PM
I do remember the emergency days once we were driving to Kajang, my father was held for several hours at the police station for having a torch light in the glove compartment of the car.
I still remember mum and us brothers and sisters all crying.

tupai
15-10-2009, 12:23 PM
...hat tells you how much trust is there in our country / countrymen honoring their words.

hahahahah! thats quite true actually. Many dishonest bizzmen learn to double and triple speak and twist & turn, they learn form our elected leaders...

tats Y, we use the #1 law firm in town! They cost an arm and a leg in retainer, BUT they earn and are worth every sen ...

Get this: ...and the icing to the very indulging rich cheese cake ~ the recalcitrant clients/suppliers MUST pay their cost! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAH! else, go str8 to jail, do not pass 'go' and worst, cannot collect the rm200 sumore! HAHAHAHAHH!

Yang Banyak #1 Loyars latotupai

p/s ...of course, top notch lawyers are for bizz etc litigation only...There are plenty of cheap 'pen-pushing' loyars to do the simple stuff like S&P etc...too much to use a sledge hammer to swat a fly lah. :p

bslee
15-10-2009, 12:48 PM
I'm just thinking, OK.. say the garmen honors the agreement and he's let in back. I'm confident he'll be celebrity for quite a while, his actual notority is not entirely an issue as he's the last relic of the emergency era. I reckon he'll be sambut like some hero from the plane (like that Lockerbie bomber), constantly at, dinners, speeches, talks, and a busy schedule more than TDM. The media, wannabe researchers will call on him. The list goes on and anything can happen.. You think the garmen is prepared for all this?.. I bet they'd be agast.
Perhaps I too will try get his autograph for collectible... :D

tupai
15-10-2009, 12:56 PM
...I reckon he'll be sambut like some hero from the plane (like that Lockerbie bomber), constantly at, dinners, speeches, talks, and a busy schedule more than TDM. The media, wannabe researchers will call on him. The list goes on and anything can happen.. You think the garmen is prepared for all this?.. I bet they'd be agast.
Perhaps I too will try get his autograph for collectible... :D

Pardon my ignorance.

But why would the modern malaysian society wanna be treating him like a cause celebre? the still livin' & old foggies all probably despised him...the middle age have minimum collections of what had happened. The young msian are mostly all Blur Sotongs on the commie era...

methink, Chin peng is too old to rock & roll...he just wanna come home and live out his life...I mean one can only have so much of Tom Yum Koong, Wat Po massages, Singha beer & eye candies... Betcha he misses sitiawan tau-sar peah?

Yang Bo-Putt CP latotupai

bslee
15-10-2009, 01:20 PM
Pardon my ignorance.
But why would the modern malaysian society wanna be treating him like a cause celebre? the still livin' & old foggies all probably despised him...the middle age have minimum collections of what had happened. The young msian are mostly all Blur Sotongs on the commie era...


Its just my own thinkin... knowing anything goes in this land man!.
I bet the media will be among the first to hound him to pick up news and spin whatever they like from thereon. I could think he's worth a wealth of information, knowledge and experience worth exploiting by the media. I think (I said I think!) I gathered from somewhere he's of the same calibre as Lee Kuan Yew but knowing both went different paths...I may be wrong though.

flamethrower
15-10-2009, 01:26 PM
Chin Peng a #$%^ comi. and deny the existence of GOD.

firefox
15-10-2009, 01:30 PM
Chin Peng is still no 1 enemy of the government of this country and 2nd one is Raja Petra!( he's no communist)

Sentinel
15-10-2009, 01:35 PM
Chin Peng a Fugging comi. and deny the existence of GOD.Then explain why shake hands with Hu Jintao? Isn't he a commie too? Isn't he a non-believer atheist too? Why the double standard?

flamethrower
15-10-2009, 01:58 PM
Then explain why shake hands with Hu Jintao? Isn't he a commie too? Isn't he a non-believer atheist too? Why the double standard?
You mean Razak 's son ?

tupai
15-10-2009, 02:01 PM
You mean Razak 's son ?

which razak...so many razaks in this god-fearing land lah :D

yang belum kenal 1godfearin'razak latotupai :D

Sentinel
15-10-2009, 02:03 PM
You mean Razak 's son ?You said Chin Peng is a freaking Commie. You said he does not believe in God. I assume it is for these reasons you're against letting the old soldier to return to his homeland?

Wasn't it communist China that financed the communist insurgency in SE Asia? Wasn't it Communist China that supported Ho Chin Minh to whack the daylight out of South Vietnam? Wan't it Communist China who drove fear in everyone with their 'domino theory' after the fall of Saigon when they fiddled with Cambodia?

And aren't these people commies? Aren't they atheists? If you are against freaking commies and atheists as you are against Chin Peng, why do your leaders shake hand with Mao Zedong in 1979 and again with another commie Hu Jintao this year?

Rhiga
15-10-2009, 02:16 PM
In my swallow knowledge of international politics and geology, I think Russia is also a communist country, right ?

So, why spent hundred of millions buying Russian fighter jets ?? Spent millions (part of this is my hard-earned money in the forms of taxes) tumpang a space ship to syok-sendiri ??

Sentinel
15-10-2009, 02:18 PM
In my swallow knowledge of international politics and geology, I think Russia is also a communist country, right ?

So, why spent hundred of millions buying Russian fighter jets ?? Spent millions (part of this is my hard-earned money in the forms of taxes) tumpang a space ship to syok-sendiri ??Cuba claims to be a Socialist country but its a communist country. I know "somebody VVVIP" even invested in a pharmaceutical plant there... but I love those coronas they roll in Havana okay... :D

patling63
15-10-2009, 06:18 PM
I am from Sitiawan, hometown of Chin Peng. Chin Peng's family members are all brilliant people and have contributed much to the building of this nation.

The Malaysian Government should seriously consider letting him come home. After all, did he not help fight for our independence?

Let the old man return. Which man is without sins? Can we not learn to let go of the past? How are we to become a great and progressive country if we cannot even forgive one who is our own? :rolleyes:

USJ27Resident
15-10-2009, 06:56 PM
Let the old man return. Which man is without sins? Can we not learn to let go of the past? How are we to become a great and progressive country if we cannot even forgive one who is our own? :rolleyes:

... because he is a [self censored] whereas Nordin Top was a [self censored]... mebbe the Govt will also let Chin Peng come home, AFTER he is dead... :eek: :(

... just like Nordin Top... in a box!

usehead
16-10-2009, 08:33 AM
Forgiving.... forget.

Chia Hak Soon
16-10-2009, 10:30 AM
The ones that fear Chin Peng is a coward. To forgive is divine and earn your adversary's respect.

Does the Chinese hate Japanese after the second World war?
Does the Japanese hate the Americans after they bomb Hiroshima and Nagasaki?
Does the Jews hate the Germans after the holocaust ?
Does the Blacks hate the whites for making their ancestors a slave ?
Does malaysian hate each other after May the 13th 1969 ?

The list goes on , but Ching peng is now a very old man and by dissallowing him to his death wish can only prompt younger generation to discover more about his cause and previous deeds. You talk about how many soldiers were killed by his men during the emergency but why don't you talk about how many malaysians are beheaded by the Japanese and how many jews are killed by the Nazi?

Be rational , if we go on this attitude, we will not progress. Let history be history and we should forgive and lead on to more important global economics that can save Malaysia.

alberto
16-10-2009, 12:13 PM
he will be on overnite celebrity if he is allowed to step on our soil, i doubt this will ever happen.

keny
16-10-2009, 12:49 PM
all your talks is cheap...becoz all of you are not politician. if any of you decide to run for politic, to get vote and there is ONE malay or ex-military voter you want to woo....i bet you will shut up on this Chin Peng issue!

Anwar caused malays scared of PKR when he supported Chin Peng. He must have realised his mistakes now. Only DAP can talk about Chin Peng...which scares Malay!

do you know that in all army camps in Bagan Pinang, there are talks everywhre about voting PAS/PR means voting for Chin Peng to come home.

no one has the balls to go infront of any army camps and campaign to let Chin Peng come home. you'll be shot on sight!

usehead
16-10-2009, 12:57 PM
The ones that fear Chin Peng is a coward. To forgive is divine and earn your adversary's respect.

Does the Chinese hate Japanese after the second World war?
Does the Japanese hate the Americans after they bomb Hiroshima and Nagasaki?
Does the Jews hate the Germans after the holocaust ?
Does the Blacks hate the whites for making their ancestors a slave ?
Does malaysian hate each other after May the 13th 1969 ?

The list goes on , but Ching peng is now a very old man and by dissallowing him to his death wish can only prompt younger generation to discover more about his cause and previous deeds. You talk about how many soldiers were killed by his men during the emergency but why don't you talk about how many malaysians are beheaded by the Japanese and how many jews are killed by the Nazi?

Be rational , if we go on this attitude, we will not progress. Let history be history and we should forgive and lead on to more important global economics that can save Malaysia.


The only different between our communist leader and China's Mao is one lost his war and the other won. History keeps painting our mindset: winners are heroes, losers are worst than nothing. We'll never discipline ourselves to free our conscience beyond that.

Sentinel
16-10-2009, 01:23 PM
The only different between our communist leader and China's Mao is one lost his war and the other won. History keeps painting our mindset: winners are heroes, losers are worst than nothing. We'll never discipline ourselves to free our conscience beyond that.How do you reconcile your statement with the following historical facts:

i. Adolf Hitler lost but victims of the holocaust & Jews worldwide do not hate the Germans;

ii. The Japanese lost when they dropped the A-bombs on Nagasaki & Hiroshima but the Japanese are still welcomed all over the world;

iii. The Japanese attacked Pearl Harbour in 1941 but Japanese are everywhere in the US.

These are all circumstances where calamities were caused yet the community forgive and forget and moved on in life. Why can't Malaysians do the same towards Ong Boon Hua (aka Chin Peng)?

bslee
16-10-2009, 01:54 PM
But then again, there's evidence and history where politicians were behind it all manupulating the events in the aftermath and held all the war mongers responsible, condemning most of them (eventhough they claimed loyalty to their leader or following orders) to appease the world. Just like those in the Nuremberg and Tokyo War crimes judgement (the Emperor was purposely spared by intervention), the leaders were made to pay ultimately for their war crimes and the world moved on. I believe Chin Peng is no exception to this phenomenon. Again, I reckon he's fortunate enough to survive or in exile todate, and no attempt to drag him back for any trials and condemn him to eternity. Many notorious Nazis (who fled after the war) were dragged back for justice, Adolf Eichmann ("the architect of the Holocaust"), Klaus Barbie and many others were condemned, eventhough they were already old.

patling63
16-10-2009, 02:41 PM
These are all circumstances where calamities were caused yet the community forgive and forget and moved on in life. Why can't Malaysians do the same towards Ong Boon Hua (aka Chin Peng)?
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Malaysians are generally very forgiving people. It is their politicians that are super hypocrites. They demonise Chin Peng for their own political interest. They said they could not forgive him for whatever suffering he has caused.

But what about the Japanese who have also caused us a lot of suffering during WWII?

When it comes to foreigners, they seem to be very forgiving.

Japanese are very welcome to do business here. Not only that, they(our politician) are also very proud to be associated with anything Japanese like using Japanese products, eating Japanese food, driving Japanese cars or sending their children to Japanese Universities.

Why the double standard? Another case of selective prosecution?

sblsbl
17-10-2009, 12:51 PM
I think the problem is that Chin Peng is labelled not just as terrorist, but a Chinese who wants to rule Tanah Melayu. If he's a Malay, I doubt the "problem" will be so huge, because Utusan Melayu won't even bother about him and porak-perandakan masalah.

The people could forgive him, but with the media keeps reminding the people, Chin Peng will forever remain a devil in many of the Malay's hearts.

bslee
17-10-2009, 12:57 PM
The people could forgive him, but with the media keeps reminding the people, Chin Peng will forever remain a devil in many of the Malay's hearts.

Hermann Goring once said this very bluntly. "The victors will always be the judges and the loosers will be the vanquished." This is fact!.
CP lost out... and the victors have their stand whether for political or rakyat interests whatever, I don't see him allowed back. Nothing more to discuss.

Sentinel
17-10-2009, 01:06 PM
Hermann Goring once said this very bluntly. "The victors will always be the judges and the loosers will be the vanquished." This is fact!.
CP lost out... and the victors have their stand whether for political or rakyat interests whatever, I don't see him allowed back. Nothing more to discuss.Are you closing the thread already? :confused:

Sparrow
17-10-2009, 01:07 PM
At the time the media hoohaa about chinpeng being communist and cannot return, it is at that time Najib went to china to bodek chinese government. China is not communist?

sblsbl
17-10-2009, 01:08 PM
Sorry to see BSLee leaving this discussion thread. :D :D

Anyway, all the talk about forgiving and forgetting la... and the WWII examples la.... but are they comparable examples?

Imagine one day, some infamous WWII Japanese warlord (who still survive until now) want to visit China, what will happen? you think Chinese people won't bising meh?

"Forgiving and forgetting"... easier is said than done.

bslee
17-10-2009, 01:11 PM
Are you closing the thread already? :confused:

No lah.. you guys carry on lah.. I'm just with an analytical view. To me I don't think he'd be allowed back, time running out and whats more to say, save for the views going in circles. These people all had their aspirations and dreams where they lost out and become history.

Sentinel
17-10-2009, 01:15 PM
Sorry to see BSLee leaving this discussion thread. :D :D

Anyway, all the talk about forgiving and forgetting la... and the WWII examples la.... but are they comparable examples?

Imagine one day, some infamous WWII Japanese warlord (who still survive until now) want to visit China, what will happen? you think Chinese people won't bising meh?

"Forgiving and forgetting"... easier is said than done.
What about the sanctity of a treaty signed in 1989 at Haadyai between the Malaysian Govt and the CPM?

keny
17-10-2009, 07:21 PM
in next GE 13, hang banners 'Vote Pakatan Rakyat to bring Chin Peng Home'.

PAS will leave PR (there are thousand ex-military personnel in PAS)
BN will be having pre election victory celebrations.
No Malay soul will ever vote PR.
All States fall back into BN hands.

In fact i believe even Anwar will apologise for telling BBC interviewers in 2009 that Chin Peng should be allowed to return. He will explain why he actually also doesn't want Chin Peng to come.

HTCHONG
17-10-2009, 10:26 PM
This issue should not be politicised by either PR or BN. Frankly, anybody feel that if this 80 plus old man can be a threat to him, he must be damn weak. :eek:
I believe the wish of this poor old man is very hard to be granted. :(

bslee
18-10-2009, 12:39 AM
Frankly, anybody feel that if this 80 plus old man can be a threat to him, he must be damn weak. :eek:
I believe the wish of this poor old man is very hard to be granted. :(

You should realize the bigger picture. Its not his age, whether he now looks harmless but his legacy, the last relic of the Malayan Emergency, the bitter memories for those who suffered directly or indirectly, he goes down in history as the villian where the victors naturally condemned him and his acts against Malaysia. As I said, he's lucky not to face further justice in an aftermath of war. This is NOT a soccer game.

sjcc
18-10-2009, 02:00 AM
You should realize the bigger picture. Its not his age, whether he now looks harmless but his legacy, the last relic of the Malayan Emergency, the bitter memories for those who suffered directly or indirectly, he goes down in history as the villian where the victors naturally condemned him and his acts against Malaysia. As I said, he's lucky not to face further justice in an aftermath of war. This is NOT a soccer game.

im a malay and i think chin peng should be allowed to come back. in my opinion, that would be aligned with the concept of 1malaysia. why are we so scared of our history? like it or not, it will repeat itself. denying his entry is a race based politics.
think about it. 52 years from now, we (hopefully all of us here) will be looking back and think of how stupid this issue was. this is an old tactics that we are submitting ourself to - divide and conquer.
politics politics politics.. they make me want to berak (becoz of the funny feeling in the perut). i think all politicians should have a proper education (or at least take a set of test to measure IQ, EQ, etc) because some are just samseng kampung.
talk about education, i heard its good for the community. people will be less hating on others and rationalize their judgements according to a common sense. ok, back to chin peng. i seriously cant find it hard to believe that this are made into a big issue. what a waste of time. im blaming the politicians and the media who are making this into an issue to persue their political agenda. sick.
ok, i need to shleep.

sblsbl
18-10-2009, 09:54 AM
Too bad open-minded Malay like Abang Funky will be labelled as "pengkhianat" Melayu by the media.

Of course, he's a hero to the wise. :D :D

sblsbl
18-10-2009, 10:12 AM
What about the sanctity of a treaty signed in 1989 at Haadyai between the Malaysian Govt and the CPM?

Don't know. Although u know Malaysians memang suka berpegang pada "social contract" (whatever it means), we don't give a damn about these treaties.

Actually, if Hamid the Hamigua is still the minister, his excuse will be he want to protect Chin Peng from being murdered by the angry rakyat, that's why they don't let him to come back. And he only means well, of course.

HTCHONG
18-10-2009, 02:13 PM
You should realize the bigger picture. Its not his age, whether he now looks harmless but his legacy, the last relic of the Malayan Emergency, the bitter memories for those who suffered directly or indirectly, he goes down in history as the villian where the victors naturally condemned him and his acts against Malaysia. As I said, he's lucky not to face further justice in an aftermath of war. This is NOT a soccer game.

From humanity stand point, you are not wrong. The problem is that it is an issue of double standard that bothered me. During the 2nd world war, the Japanese killed more people in Malaya than CPM. However, today, Japanese are welcome because they have “economic” value to the society, be it from point of investors or tourists. On the other hand, Chin Peng is just an old man with no more backup from the Chinese Communist Party, so, does it means that we can take advantage on him?

Please don’t get me wrong, I am not a supporter of Chin Peng but I find that this issue has blown out of proportion and it is very hard for his wish to be granted.

We are all the same; we are looking for our root at times. Just like me, an ex-Malaysian, wherever I go I will browse internet news of both Singapore & Malaysia. I am browsing USJ.com because I lived in USJ before. Chin Peng just wants to go back to his hometown after all he is in his 80’ and what else this old man can do. It is the root that he is looking…and nothing more than that.

tehmc
18-10-2009, 02:19 PM
It's a clear-cut case of double standards. There's no need to compare with the Japs. Ex-CPM members of another race have been allowed to return but not Chin Peng. How do you explain that?

sblsbl
18-10-2009, 07:53 PM
From humanity stand point, you are not wrong. The problem is that it is an issue of double standard that bothered me. During the 2nd world war, the Japanese killed more people in Malaya than CPM. However, today, Japanese are welcome because they have “economic” value to the society, be it from point of investors or tourists. On the other hand, Chin Peng is just an old man with no more backup from the Chinese Communist Party, so, does it means that we can take advantage on him?



Again, this is an irrelevant comparison. If he's a just a normal Japanese tourist, of course we welcome lo. If he's the Japanese warlord that has ordered one particular massacre in Malaysia, will the local Chinese still diam diam? Just pointing out that it's NOT a good example of "double standard", because you are comparing Chin Peng with real "innocent" Japanese people.

Maybe the double standard is the race thing. But come on, there's always double standards in Malaysia, even institionalized in Perlembagaan, double standards is the norm of life in Malaysia. If we have to live it, then Chin Peng also has to live with it lah, no matter how old is he.


:mad: :mad:

HTCHONG
18-10-2009, 08:48 PM
Maybe the double standard is the race thing. But come on, there's always double standards in Malaysia, even institionalized in Perlembagaan, double standards is the norm of life in Malaysia. If we have to live it, then Chin Peng also has to live with it lah, no matter how old is he.


:mad: :mad:

This is the problem, right? If double standards apply consistently throughout, probably there will be less complaining. Institutionalized into constituency should also apply to taxation. Those who have less privilege should pay lighter tax….how about that. :D :D

Isn’t this is clearly not consistent? :D

Sentinel
18-10-2009, 09:56 PM
This is the problem, right? If double standards apply consistently throughout, probably there will be less complaining. Institutionalized into constituency should also apply to taxation. Those who have less privilege should pay lighter tax….how about that. :D :D

Isn’t this is clearly not consistent? :D
Oh... has the Malaysian Income Tax Act changed? I thought it was never mentioned the different tax rates for different races unless I have lost touch? The only difference in the tax structure is between residents and non-residents...

To be fair, I think all races are treated the same under the Income Tax Act 1967... the only difference is the treatment of zakat contribution by the Muslims.

Could you explain why you are mad about the income tax system in Malaysia? It is a "progressive tax structure" whereby you pay more taxes as you earn more...

orchipalar
18-10-2009, 10:21 PM
Err buddies...the Late Harun Idris was conferred with the title Dato Seri...
perhaps for his lifetime contributions n achievement... (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harun_bin_Idris)

May be...Orchi should sokong Chin Peng's return...n be conferred...
as...a Malaysian... (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chin_Peng)

tehmc
18-10-2009, 10:55 PM
To be fair, I think all races are treated the same under the Income Tax Act 1967... the only difference is the treatment of zakat contribution by the Muslims.


I think there is a difference when it comes to enforcement against 'tax evaders'. ;)

Sentinel
18-10-2009, 10:58 PM
I think there is a difference when it comes to enforcement against 'tax evaders'. ;)Care to elaborate because I have not read or heard anything about this 'difference'...

sjcc
19-10-2009, 09:34 AM
Don't know. Although u know Malaysians memang suka berpegang pada "social contract" (whatever it means), we don't give a damn about these treaties.

Actually, if Hamid the Hamigua is still the minister, his excuse will be he want to protect Chin Peng from being murdered by the angry rakyat, that's why they don't let him to come back. And he only means well, of course.

social contract is a common philosophical agreement and understanding that we give up certain rights in order to obtain a more peaceful community. eg: we are free but we are not free to kill people on the street :)

i would love to meet chin peng. i might not agree with his past agendas and what he did to achieve them, but history were written by the winning party. we dont know for sure. to me he's a rockstar of some sort - i dont necessarily listen to his songs :)

sjcc
19-10-2009, 09:44 AM
Too bad open-minded Malay like Abang Funky will be labelled as "pengkhianat" Melayu by the media.

Of course, he's a hero to the wise. :D :D

i wudnt know :P
stopped watching mainstream media since i went to the states
their media is the worst - more like tabloids on boob-tube
the only for of media for me are such as blog and forums
now thats a real impartial reporting. information given by the people for the people, not because of orders from an employers, etc.

what if we label the medias as pengkhianat bangsa and negara for reporting news based on political and personal agendas? we the people should unite, so that our voice will be louder then the plutocrats.

sjcc
19-10-2009, 09:56 AM
in next GE 13, hang banners 'Vote Pakatan Rakyat to bring Chin Peng Home'.

PAS will leave PR (there are thousand ex-military personnel in PAS)
BN will be having pre election victory celebrations.
No Malay soul will ever vote PR.
All States fall back into BN hands.

In fact i believe even Anwar will apologise for telling BBC interviewers in 2009 that Chin Peng should be allowed to return. He will explain why he actually also doesn't want Chin Peng to come.

as a progressive malay, i'll vote for whichever that will fight for what i believe for.
1. malaysian unity - for a better community
2. environmentalism
3. transparency and accountability in the state gov't

notice that theres no economic element in it? if PR have all threes, i will happily vote for them.

patling63
19-10-2009, 03:35 PM
I hope our government will be lenient to Chin Peng's application in recognition of his role to liberate this land from foreign powers.

Unlike many of his present armchair critics, at least this much misunderstood man has the guts to sacrifice the comfort of a 'normal life' to fight against the Japs and the Brits from the heart of the jungle.

In the light of the many protests to his homecoming quest, I wonder how many would be able to do what he has done for sake of our independence? :rolleyes:

bslee
19-10-2009, 03:51 PM
My take:more or less summarised.
1. The garmen won't budge or do a thing, as far as they're concerned, he's condemned to his own fate, no re-entry, even in a box....looks clear cut.
2. The younger generation don't know much about him, won't bother, won't think too much with the history or controversy behind it...Generally, THEY WON'T and DON'T CARE lah.. they've got better things to do or think about. History among youths are usually not a favourite school subject.
3. For the next 10 years or maybe more, there'll always be some groups with hatred for him, the CPM and the bitter memories of sufferance. They'll could be always the encouragement and reason for the garmen to say no.
4. Time for CP is running out.
5. You all can debate and sympathize with him indefinitely. If the garmen won't let him back, I reckon there's no other avenue. Its just unfortunate you have a garmen that ain't doing anything, sanctity or not.
6 Look, if the garmen was forgiving, CP would have returned YEARS AGO!

firefox
19-10-2009, 04:41 PM
The majority of Malaysians woudnt know much about him and dont care either. i dont know what the history books say about him nowdays.
Its better for him to spend his twilight years where he is in and enjoy while it lasts.
You cant change history and he has already explained why he will not be accepted back.

Let faith decide his future.

patling63
19-10-2009, 04:58 PM
Guess I have to agree that Chin Peng would not stand a chance in his quest to return to Malaysia with the present government in charge, no matter what his contributions are.

Admitedly, he himself has resigned to the fact he remains unwanted in a land that he was more than willing to give up his life for.

But that is the price to pay for being on the wrong side of history.

If only he had listened to his mom's advice to give up his arms struggle!