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Sparrow
11-10-2009, 10:06 AM
Received this information - wax-coated on instant noodle. We should avoid as much as possible.

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Dear instant noodle lovers,
Make sure you break for at least 3 days after one session of instant noodles before you eat your next packet! Please read the info shared to me by a doctor. My family stopped eating instant noodles more than 5 years ago after hearing about the wax coating the noodles - the wax is not justin the Styrofoam containers but it coats the noodles. This is why the instant noodles do not stick to each other when cooking.

If one were to examine the ordinary Chinese yellow noodles in the market, one will notice that, in their uncooked state the noodles are oily. This layer of oil prevents the noodles from sticking together.

Want on noodles in their uncooked state have been dusted with flour to prevent them sticking together. When the hawker cooks the noodles, notice he cooks them in hot water and then rinses them in cold water before cooking them in hot water again. This process is repeated several times before the noodles are ready to be served. The cooking and rinsing process prevents noodles from sticking together.

The hawker then 'lowers the noodles in oil and sauce to prevent the noodles from sticking if they are to be served dry. Cooking instructions for spaghetti require oil or butter to be added in the water when boiling the spaghetti to prevent the pasta from sticking together. Otherwise, one gets a big clump of spaghetti!

Therewas an SBC (now TCS) actor some years ago, who at a busy time of his career had no time to cook, resorted to eating instant noodles everyday. He got cancer later on. His doctor told him about the wax in instant noodles. The doctor told him that our body will need up to 2days to clear the wax. There was also an SIA steward who after moving out from his mother's house into his own house, did not cook but ate instant noodles almost every meal. He had cancer, and has since died from it.

Nowadays the instant noodles are referred as ' cancer noodles '.

lhct
11-10-2009, 10:30 AM
Go to http://www.snopes.com/ and search for "noodle"

patling63
11-10-2009, 12:12 PM
Heard too much instant noodles can cause kidney failure...Try soaking to rid the wax! :confused:

fRaNkY
11-10-2009, 12:31 PM
Instant noodle is a craze in Japan, Taiwan, China and even Korea...you dont see them drop dead like birds droppings... do you? :D

bslee
11-10-2009, 12:46 PM
TRY YOUR BEST TO CONSUME FRESH FOODS, not from tins, wrapped and preserved. Preserved foods all contain some form of preservative somehow and its bad anyhow. Thats perhaps one primary reason why our ancestors lived longer lives and less prone to health problems.
Yeah yeah!... I know many cannot cook lah, no time lah, hassle lah, numerous excuses BUT its your health, ultimately YOU decide whats best to consume! Malaysian made foodstuffs... I still have my reservations, despite what the packaging says. Somebody somewhere here have to DIE first before its thoroughly investigated of causes.

yvonnefoong
11-10-2009, 03:23 PM
But how come I could always boil my spaghetti and pasta just like that without getting them stuck to form a clump?

zinglicious
11-10-2009, 04:25 PM
Instant noodle is a craze in Japan, Taiwan, China and even Korea...you dont see them drop dead like birds droppings... do you? :D

But colon cancer is the highest among the Asian. Maybe not the just the wax, but MSG and High salt contents. You mean to say eating instant is healthy and nutritious.
Remember, even our Kementrian Kesihatan should not take more than 2,400 mg of salt daily which is one teaspoonful. Even the American Cancer Society and American Heart Association which comprised of leading cardiologists and oncologists are saying the same thing.Kindlly refer to the Cari Makan on Healthy with no MSG thread and start from the first page to the last.
Why people can spend thousands of dollars on supplements and yet fail to observe daily intake of good food diet practice and taking less salt than one teaspoonful daily,it just doesnt makes senses!
And at the end of the day, it sures add up to dollar and senses when the medical bill comes from cardilogists or oncologists. :eek:
Give what the body wants - something good which is nutritious to keep the engines running smoothly. Investment in good food is the best investment anybody can make otherwise think of the ultimate losses. :eek:

zinglicious
11-10-2009, 04:33 PM
By the way, the instant noodles is a recent diet and it offers the firsit class ticket to the problems of heart complications, cancer, kidney and renal failures. And people are seen with less crowning glory nowadays - baldness!

The amount of MSG in the Maggi single packet or instant noodles would exceed the daily quota of the whole day of salt intake! :eek:

And also not sure how the wax gonna to tax on your body. :rolleyes:

zinglicious
11-10-2009, 04:36 PM
But how come I could always boil my spaghetti and pasta just like that without getting them stuck to form a clump?

Because you are doing it right - stirring constantly and at the right temperature. :)
If not, the pasta could be waxed like instant noodles! :D

bslee
11-10-2009, 04:58 PM
Because you are doing it right - stirring constantly and at the right temperature. :)
If not, the pasta could be waxed like instant noodles! :D

Ok loh.. boil the pasta for a while, throwaway the water, then cook again with new boiled water. 2 x the work but worth it. Yes, the trick to good cooked pasta is not blast boiling, and frequently stirring. But then again, salt must be added to give it some oomph otherwise it'll taste too flat.
What to do?... we can't be too particular otherwise food will not be enjoyed.
I still think the common local yellow mee, kway teow (CKT???) CCF (pig long powder) are all hazardous to health in varying degrees mainly due to large amount of oil content. IN CKT, ad MORE OIL??????? geeeeez! I try to minimize consuming it nowadays...once a while ok lah.

VeeJay
11-10-2009, 05:55 PM
I still think the common local yellow mee, kway teow (CKT???) CCF (pig long powder) are all hazardous to health in varying degrees mainly due to large amount of oil content. IN CKT, ad MORE OIL??????? geeeeez! I try to minimize consuming it nowadays...once a while ok lah.


And not forgetting the boric and benzoic acid that may have been added in it. This had been highlighted by the authorities for the last 5-6 constantly....but not sure how much compliant the resellers and manufacturers conform to?

yvonnefoong
11-10-2009, 06:05 PM
In that case both instant and non-instant noodles are not good for health when consumed excessively. I don't like the oily feeling that comes with those Chinese noodles we can get from the sundry shop and market. Feels messy and hard to keep.

cskok8
11-10-2009, 06:50 PM
[QUOTE=bslee]Thats perhaps one primary reason why our ancestors lived longer lives and less prone to health problems. [QUOTE]

Are you sure about that? Statistics show that life expectancy has been increasing from about 40+ one century ago to 70+ now. The reason is better health care, living conditions and food. And certain diseases like diabetes, high blood pressure, many cancers are diseases of old age, so if you die at 40 you are not likely to get them. Note that these diseases are not problems in Sierra Leone, Somalia or Rwanda.

This myth about our ancestors living longer is usually used by health food and supplement companies selling their products to counter the "unhealthy, chemical-laden food of today"

bslee
11-10-2009, 08:42 PM
Thats perhaps one primary reason why our ancestors lived longer lives and less prone to health problems.
Are you sure about that? Statistics show that life expectancy has been increasing from about 40+ one century ago to 70+ now.

OK..maybe doesn't generally apply to all but I gather many of my ancestors (especially my maternal side) lived to ripe old ages and I gather they didn't indulge in eating all sorts we're all exposed to nowadays. Many of the next generation (mine) my cousins and other relatives have unfortunately passed on at in their early 60's and 50's, because of health complications due to their indugence in too much outside food, alcoholic beverages, smoke, etc. Knowing many of them very well, I observed they didn't care much during their prime lah, live and let live attitudes, enjoy while the goings good. My mom and her remaining ELDER sister are still well alive and now in their mid 80's. I know they're very careful on their diet.

MasterQ
12-10-2009, 12:30 AM
By the way, the instant noodles is a recent diet and it offers the firsit class ticket to the problems of heart complications, cancer, kidney and renal failures. And people are seen with less crowning glory nowadays - baldness!

The amount of MSG in the Maggi single packet or instant noodles would exceed the daily quota of the whole day of salt intake! :eek:

And also not sure how the wax gonna to tax on your body. :rolleyes:
Kindly quote where are your sources when you rattled off all those health statements. Please justify your statement about MSG in Maggi mee which I think you are over exaggerating. I don't mind risking my life for wanting to believe in all that your saying not with a pinch of salt but rather a kilo of it.

bslee
12-10-2009, 12:39 AM
Hey, perhaps the danger is with the soup, not so much the noodles. So eat the noodles, don't down the soup, no? Then again, eating this kind of stuff too often is bad of course, no nourishment. I'm just sad from some hearsay that some people resort eating this often as a meal simply because of financial problem. Sad, very sad.

P.S. I've heard people say this often, by ear or at some chat forum.. e.g. "Ok..if I buy that LCD TV.. I've to eat Maggi mee for the rest of the month." Typically or commonly local expression?

SpAwN^
12-10-2009, 03:17 AM
Speaking of noodles in general..Arent RAMEN a type of noodle too??
They are usually hand-made and taste great. - i ate them at the foodcourt few weeks ago. Not sure if ramens are sold in packets. - never cross before

Its scary sometimes that the food we eat can deterior our health in so many ways.
Forget 2 minutes of instant meals or fast food. In this incredibly fast pace in life,
im sure home cooked meals or organic food product should be adequate enough.
Main keys to a healthy lifestyle is a healthy diet and watch what you eat!!

zinglicious
12-10-2009, 06:34 AM
Kindly quote where are your sources when you rattled off all those health statements. Please justify your statement about MSG in Maggi mee which I think you are over exaggerating. I don't mind risking my life for wanting to believe in all that your saying not with a pinch of salt but rather a kilo of it.
Being one of the frequent forumer, I am surprised at your statement. By the way, it is to hard to follow the comments which was posted. I wrote kindly go to the cari Mkan on the healthy with no MSG then you would know I am not rattling with my statement like you. I dont know what is in you that you are so into MSG.
But for the benefit of those who wants the other side of the story unless you believe the glossy adver of MSG goodness, you can read all about it.
I am not a your personal; doctor nor I get the benefit of you for believe what I post. heck, I even suggest that it best to cook at home rather than promoting my restaurants as I dont believe in promoting myself. I am not selling quacky health supplements.
Anyway, kindly read the posts before you accuse me of exaggerating unless you happened to own a restaurant who uses the MSG with tons of kilo and believing it is so "good"! Or you might be the director of Aji no Motto. The statement are from the American Cancer Society, American Heart Association and Consumers of Penang.
(BTW, I am not associated with the above organisations as the two former are comprised of leading cardiologists and oncologists and people like Idris from CAP doesnt even know who the heck am I. But I am supporter of their statements made. MSG has not be not recommended and salt above 2400mg is dangerous for health. Even our Kementrian Kesihatan said that! And CAP survey show that a packet of Maggi mee has more than salt than you think than just a pinch in the booklet published by them under "How Much Salt is Hidden" and there are hundreds of pictures detailing the amount of salt in maggi mee, cintan Mee, KFC and even in hawker char kuey teow or hokkien mee or mamak mee.
Lastly, this above statements is done not for your convenience but for the benefit of new readers. And I dont have to justify for you! Take a kilo of MSG and salt for all I care.
Now do I rattle you with this exaggeration? :p

zinglicious
12-10-2009, 06:52 AM
By thw way,do you own any restaurants which strong believe in goodness of MSG because it so convenient and saves time and mask poor quality food? Or you own shares of Aji No Motto? Or are you from Nestle selling the goodness of "Maggi Mee"?
I was from Nestle and yet still proud of it as it given me the training and management skills. And I left Nestle and criticised Maggi Mee, not because of personal grudge but because of belief Healthy food cannot be this convenient!
In fact, before I left for Sterling Drug I was offered to be considered for a promotion by my boss and even he said if I was not happy , I can always see him for the job back. I said how could this be possible at Nestle? He said he left Nestle and joined Ovaltine and came back and was promoted to the current management post in charge of the whole state! He said he liked people to be factually and sincerely promoting onself or company without any expectation in return.
And he liked it when I rattled my superiors or against the Union when I felt it was not right though it could be disastrous in a big corporation like Nestle. And the head of the union was somebody from UMNO!
So, did I rattle you? Whatever it is - not that I care :p

firefox
12-10-2009, 07:29 AM
Instant food or fast food ultimately will lead you to instant death, if you dont believe me ask your living grand parents if they ever lived on instant food.

zinglicious
12-10-2009, 09:06 AM
Convience food like Maggi Mee or noodles convenient mixed with boric acid and benzoic acid are done to the convenience of the manufacturers. Why, they cann keep the stock longer, the food taste better, the costs is cheaper to replace and exchange.
Just talk to one prospective customer of mine and mind you , we talked until 3 a.m from 12.30.a.m., he is only 36 but was told by his own doctor who was doing a routine check up with his mother , his mother health is better than him! Asked him why do you think that heis doctor said the insulting remark - he said probably he worked hard and probably smoke a little. Asked what her mother regular diet was as compared to his. His remark was maggi mee in the morning or roti canai in the morning, nasi lemak in the afternoon, and probably mamak mee in the evening and sometimes would take Mac donald and KFC especially with the 5.95 value meals with his kids. I showed him a copy of the CAP and he was shocked when he read the statement about exceeding salt over 2400m.g. or just a teaspoonful of salt daily may be the source of his problem. Instead of encouraging him to eat at my shop, I said why doesnt he boiled some chicken bones and some garlic and onions, and add in the pasta or meehoon, throw some sawi with just a quater of teaspoonful of salt, voila - breakfast for himself and for the kids, too! And how many dads can do that? It enhances bonding with the children and most important giving everybody the nutrition where food is suppose to be.
Now that is cool and not a lame excuse to reach for Maggi Mee or going to KFC with his children. :cool:
But if you are being getting stroke or cardiac complications inconvenience, there is always the 24 hours polyclinics where you can get your supply of twice a day medications, too! :D
He slapped his forehead and said he never wanted to get stroke and work so hard to pay for his medical bills at SJMC. Neither does he wants his kids to look like him at 36! For the record, he is Encik Z and he was thankful for the discussions which was quoted from the CAP booklet of "How much salt is hidden" which shows images of Maggi Mee was was prominently place at the front of my restuarant.
Material or financial gains - not really, just one deep satisfaction where a guy is convinced of getting healthy food which is naturally good for him. And his kids can see a more healthy radiant father cooking meals for them.
Now that is healthy, yet tasty!
Btw, this guy was still working and I said a healthy lifestyle also consists of adequate sleep and exercise. Not just good food.

pucman
12-10-2009, 09:08 PM
Instant noodle is a craze in Japan, Taiwan, China and even Korea...you dont see them drop dead like birds droppings... do you? :D

If it is really harmful, it would have been taken off the shelve by now. Don't you think ?

Why do they keep on advertising Maggi mee (memang sedap) on TV ? Why there are no health warnings like cigarrettes ?

Our health ministry is sleeping or it's not really harmful. ;)

pucman
12-10-2009, 09:14 PM
- he said probably he worked hard and probably smoke a little.

Smoking, lack of exercise and not taking vege/fruits are the main danger to health.

And yet I see so many people puffing away even though nicotine is the most poisonous poison around.

I won't say instant noodles is good but it's not as dangerous as smoking. Fresh food is always better than preserved food.

I see a lot of people barbeque meat which are cancerous and yet people never complain ?

VeeJay
12-10-2009, 11:39 PM
And yet I see so many people puffing away even though nicotine is the most poisonous poison around.
?

BTW why do you say nicotine is poisonous...its the smoke from ciggie that kills and not the nicotine...

pucman
12-10-2009, 11:58 PM
BTW why do you say nicotine is poisonous...its the smoke from ciggie that kills and not the nicotine...

There are many poisonous stuff in a ciggie but the most poisonous is nicotine.

Nicotine is used as a pesticide.

60 mg of nicotine can kill an adult.

Read

http://health.howstuffworks.com/nicotine7.htm

http://health.howstuffworks.com/nicotine5.htm

VeeJay
13-10-2009, 12:18 AM
The nicotine contain in a ciggie is only about 1.7X mg and you are quoting 60mg...obviously, that amount of percentage, any food intake would become poisonous as well :)

zinglicious
13-10-2009, 12:43 AM
If it is really harmful, it would have been taken off the shelve by now. Don't you think ?

Why do they keep on advertising Maggi mee (memang sedap) on TV ? Why there are no health warnings like cigarrettes ?

Our health ministry is sleeping or it's not really harmful. ;)

You mean to stuff your family on MAGGI mee or Indo Mee or KFC because they advertise it is sedap and never carry health warning sign with gory pictures over the packaging and etc? :D

I dont wish to say what I think because I would be asked to back up my statement or overxxxxrating. :p

Anyway, Somebody did that with MacDonald in Supersized ME and detailed on the documentary. :cool:

I read The Spore govt did a study on Satay and came with an advisory that it carries cancer risks but do we expect the satay vendors to put a warning pictures over his plate :o

BTW, my brother did not smoke or drink , he died of colon cancer at age 43! :eek:

zinglicious
13-10-2009, 01:45 AM
Btw, do you think gamblings is healthy? Then why does the govt approved 3 major gambling company and three turf clubs and one big casino in Peninsula Malaysia and despite the fact it is against the religion values especially for Muslims?
In turf clubs, jockeys and trainers hands get chooped off, and people got chained up for borrowing from ah Long as they could settle the debts with them.....people jumped from building at Genting......
Sometimes the govt is not sleeping but what can they do? They have to protect the giant industry who pays revenue.
So buyers beware......read the fine prints :D
Anyway, rather than get too side track, even the fruits and veggies are waxed. So remember to wash it away. Heard about the case where the permitted pesticide residue way above safety level last 2 years at Selayang Market and countless of time veggies got rejected at Singapore Checkpopint?
And the veggies got sold off for local consumption?
Mata tutup sebelah atau dua! :D

CS Chua
13-10-2009, 10:10 AM
Received this information - wax-coated on instant noodle. We should avoid as much as possible.

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Dear instant noodle lovers,
Make sure you break for at least 3 days after one session of instant noodles b '.
The whole piece of information were taken from this link: http://www.breakthechain.org/exclusives/noodles.html It was based on an anonymous email which surfaced in 2002. In the same link, the following response was mentioned:

"According to Snopes.com, the e-mail version of this warning dates back to 2000, but the rumor has existed for decades. Original versions warned of health problems caused by wax buildup in the stomach. It told the story of an individual who died during an operation to remove the wax layer from his stomach.

This version seems to recognize the ridiculousness of surgery to remove a wax lining in your stomach, instead cautioning you to allow plenty of time between servings for your stomach to "clear the wax."

But, not to make you think that the risk is somehow lessened, this version alludes that the wax is somehow carcinogenic. Despite what this letter claims, I have not yet found anyone, other than the author of this chain that refers to instant noodles as "cancer noodles."

An anonymously authored and haphazardly forwarded e-mail warning should never replace legitimate medical resources and your physician for health advice. Break this Chain."

Well, make your own decision. Just bear in mind:

1. Nissin is the originator of instant noodles and today, their products are all over the world, consumed by millions. If it is cancer causing, how come the consumer associations in Western countries did not ask for it to be banned?
2. Many of us during college days consumed literally cartons of instant noodles. Me and my guys used to go to the factory and purchased cartons of it. Since we are still alive and kicking, does that not mean the myth is not true?

At the end of the day, excessive consumption of anything is bad. Moderation is the key. It is not that instant noodles is bad. If you eat nothing else but instant noodles, than, obviously it is bad for you. But that goes the same for CKT, wanton mee, curry mee, chicken rice etc. I bet if you eat the same dish 3 times a day for 2 years (like those McDonald's guys), your health will deteriorate drastically.

alberto
13-10-2009, 10:45 AM
This bustling life that most of us are going chasing for money is the reason why we fall prey to unhealthy food. We dont find time to think of the dangerous stuff they put in these food we eat at the resturants and stalls, till oneday when we fall ill..sad but its a fact.

pucman
13-10-2009, 11:41 AM
BTW, my brother did not smoke or drink , he died of colon cancer at age 43! :eek:

Smoking primarily affect your lungs and cause lung cancer and not colon cancer.
I find it funny that when people say they smoke 'very little', it means a few ciggie per day. :rolleyes: 'Very little' to me means one ciggie per YEAR. Whereas I've not smoked even one ciggie for my whole life.

Drinking is not as harmful as smoking unless it's excessive (drunk everyday) which will eventually destroy your liver.

Colon cancer is primarily caused by eating lots of meat everyday when compared to veggie/fruit. There was a newspaper article in the star few years back of a person who went vegetarian and managed to cure his early stage colon cancer.

EricK
13-10-2009, 12:56 PM
The nicotine contain in a ciggie is only about 1.7X mg and you are quoting 60mg...obviously, that amount of percentage, any food intake would become poisonous as well :)

i dont' think smokers limit themselves to 1 ciggie a day or even 1 pack :)

bslee
13-10-2009, 12:58 PM
i dont' think smokers limit themselves to 1 ciggie a day or even 1 pack :)

Cheh!... if you all wanna talk about nicotine and the ills..start your own threads lah. Its so off topic.

pucman
13-10-2009, 01:24 PM
You mean to stuff your family on MAGGI mee or Indo Mee

The japanese is one of the biggest consumer of instant noodle (since they invented it) and yet they have one of the highest average life expectancy at 80 years old. How do you explain that ?

Of course, I am not recommending yourself to stuff instant noodle everyday for 3 meals to replace rice. What I am saying is that it's not as dangerous as eating tons of red meat with all its bad cholesterol and yet people still happily consume these.

But once in a while if you don't have time to cook is still alright.

pucman
13-10-2009, 01:25 PM
i dont' think smokers limit themselves to 1 ciggie a day or even 1 pack :)

To many smokers, 1 pack is considered 'little' , that's why they die young.

SunwayK
13-10-2009, 01:32 PM
.... The statement are from the American Cancer Society, American Heart Association and Consumers of Penang.......

The other snide-

If MSG is so bad for you, why doesn't everyone in Asia have a headache? (http://www.guardian.co.uk/lifeandstyle/2005/jul/10/foodanddrink.features3)

The answer is not because they ate in your self-promote restaurant. :p

The article highlights that " Every government across the world that has a food licensing and testing system gives MSG - 'at normal levels in the diet' - the thumbs-up. The US Food and Drug Administration has three times, in 1958, 1991 and 1998, reviewed the evidence, tested the chemical and pronounced it genuinely recognised as safe.

Every concerned public body that ever investigated it has given it a clean bill of health, including the EU, the United Nations food agencies (which in 1988 put MSG on the list of 'safest food additives'), and the British, Japanese and Australian governments."

MSG-phobia people will tell you that MSG causes every cancer you can named in this life and probably in your next, plus any heart failure. What they do not tell you is that glutamate exists in natural food as well. You do not know?!

My point - the keyword being "at normal levels in the diet", MSG will not cause you much harm and neither will instant noodles.

bslee
13-10-2009, 02:05 PM
My point - the keyword being "at normal levels in the diet", MSG will not cause you much harm and neither will instant noodles.

I'm just generalizing, DRINK LOTS AND LOTS of PLAIN WARM WATER throughout the day. Like its said, "water is life", perhaps its a lot of truth from many view points. I think its a trend people order sweet drink or some hot beverage to go with the meal How about don't order anything else except plain water and MAKE THIS A HABIT all the time. The French and Americans drink wine with dinner, many will compliment beer with their meals.
Water is cheapest I reckon, so why not make it a good habit. Here in Malaysia, its teh, kopi, teh ais, teh o ais limau, syrup bandung, coke, sprite, Orleng chuice?...(what orleng?..1 miserable fluit and the lest is Sugar sugar water!) Oh dear!.....
So eat Maggi mee (dump the soup), never mind,...DRINK LOTS OF WATER after that.

My 2 sen!

BTW, I down 2 glasses of warm water EVERYMORNING soon after I WAKE UP!. FLUSH THE SYSTEM 1st thing in the morning before we poison our body with anything else.

AllUrban
13-10-2009, 02:43 PM
I'm just generalizing, DRINK LOTS AND LOTS of PLAIN WARM WATER throughout the day. Like its said, "water is life", perhaps its a lot of truth from many view points. I think its a trend people order sweet drink or some hot beverage to go with the meal How about don't order anything else except plain water and MAKE THIS A HABIT all the time. The French and Americans drink wine with dinner, many will compliment beer with their meals.
Water is cheapest I reckon, so why not make it a good habit. Here in Malaysia, its teh, kopi, teh ais, teh o ais limau, syrup bandung, coke, sprite, Orleng chuice?...(what orleng?..1 miserable fluit and the lest is Sugar sugar water!) Oh dear!.....
So eat Maggi mee (dump the soup), never mind,...DRINK LOTS OF WATER after that.

My 2 sen!

BTW, I down 2 glasses of warm water EVERYMORNING soon after I WAKE UP!. FLUSH THE SYSTEM 1st thing in the morning before we poison our body with anything else.When my ex-gf and I started cooking together we would always wash the instant noodles with hot water, cook the noodles, dump the water, rinse again in hot water and then cook again and eat.

A tedious process to be sure...so at one point I just said, why not buy regular fresh noodles when we want them and cook them more easily.

What a difference.

As for the 2 glasses of warm-water in the morning, it is an excellent idea for 2 reasons - first, your body has been filtering toxins all night which means that you have 200-300mL of toxic fluid ready to be released. Second, drinking water will stimulate your appetite and if you follow it with a good breakfast, you do not need to eat much for lunch or dinner.

m sustains himself during the fasting month by having (each day) 2 glasses of water & 3 buah kurma in the morning and the same in the evening with a small meal (salad or noodles + veggies) around 8pm

By the end of the 2nd week, my stomach has shrank so much I cannot even think of having 3 meals per day.

Im still fasting now...even fast at least 4-8 times per month all throughout the year just to keep the diet under control.

Cheers, m

zinglicious
13-10-2009, 02:50 PM
The other snide-

If MSG is so bad for you, why doesn't everyone in Asia have a headache? (http://www.guardian.co.uk/lifeandstyle/2005/jul/10/foodanddrink.features3)

The answer is not because they ate in your self-promote restaurant. :p

The article highlights that " Every government across the world that has a food licensing and testing system gives MSG - 'at normal levels in the diet' - the thumbs-up. The US Food and Drug Administration has three times, in 1958, 1991 and 1998, reviewed the evidence, tested the chemical and pronounced it genuinely recognised as safe.

Every concerned public body that ever investigated it has given it a clean bill of health, including the EU, the United Nations food agencies (which in 1988 put MSG on the list of 'safest food additives'), and the British, Japanese and Australian governments."

MSG-phobia people will tell you that MSG causes every cancer you can named in this life and probably in your next, plus any heart failure. What they do not tell you is that glutamate exists in natural food as well. You do not know?!

My point - the keyword being "at normal levels in the diet", MSG will not cause you much harm and neither will instant noodles.

Always read the fine print or line.The FDA says MSG is safe to be taken but it has never said that MSG is a recomended diet. MSG industry is a strong lobby with money to throw whereas consumers groups just dont have the dough. But isf you read from the thread in Healthy with no MSG thread,you could fink the link where eveen the present Obama is addressing this issue .Dont forget it takes from a guy who sued the tobacco industry and was only succeed just ten years ago.

There is nothing normal about chemically process glutamate as compared to actual occuring glutamate in our bodies or seaweeds. or tomatoes.
Do you find abnormal thirst tasting after eating some BKT laced with MSG,?
Every wonder why Vitamin C is sold as 500mg whereas we only need 60 mg daily ?

MSG phobias did tell you that MSG did exists in www.msgtruth.org! And I for one have been highlighting it often. ( kindly make fair statement because I have proven I have said it upteem times in USJ column ) :p

On the other hand, shake it like this and shake it that and add more MSG to your kids and your food since you are immune to MSG and even consider it to be nutritious. :D

zinglicious
13-10-2009, 03:16 PM
Patrick Holford, like many of MSG's foes, also talks of its possible addictive properties and he cannot explain why 'natural' glutamate, say in cheese or parma ham, should be any less addictive, or harmful, than glutamate that's been industrially produced and stabilised with salt.

The anti-additive movement (check out the excellent and informative www.truthinlabeling.org) admits that 'natural' and 'industrially produced' glutamate are chemically the same, and treated by the body similarly. So why doesn't anyone ever complain of a headache or hyperactivity after a four cheese and tomato pizza (where there's easily as much glutamate as in an MSG-enhanced chicken chow mein)?

Their answer is that the industrial fermentation process introduces contaminants.

The above is the statement post from your link.

IMHO, it is a difficult task to take on the giants industry. Thier lawyers would ask you for all sort of tests to counter thier claims. Even Pharmaceutical companies have been hiding thier clinical results which is unfavorable - the latest in Genta pharmaceutical which I was investing in Nasdaq a few years back. Luckily I smell a rat in thier public release testing proceedures - the stock plummeted from 15 dollars to nowhere. I press the button to sell and it saves my life. Otherwise, I might not have enough money to buy a ticket back to Malaysia. My losses would be 250K! Thank you, Lord.

And it is a fact , in the past infant food was laced with MSG, but was withdrawn later. If it is not for some individuals, ours kids are still fed with MSG and wouldnt have headeahes because we are so used to it. But the kids were so bloated of with obesity as evidently. :p
MAC D jsut like try to market it as healthy happy meals with adver blitz , buy that? :p

firefox
13-10-2009, 03:39 PM
Is this thread on instant noodle or on MSG, now i getting confused, i think most of us know the perils of MSG by now, why are we being lectured non stop.

SunwayK
13-10-2009, 03:46 PM
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The anti-additive movement (check out the excellent and informative www.truthinlabeling.org) admits that 'natural' and 'industrially produced' glutamate are chemically the same, and treated by the body similarly. So why doesn't anyone ever complain of a headache or hyperactivity after a four cheese and tomato pizza (where there's easily as much glutamate as in an MSG-enhanced chicken chow mein)?

Their answer is that the industrial fermentation process introduces contaminants.

The above is the statement post from your link................

And if you complete the whole statement, it goes on to say that......."This is possible, of course (it has not been proven), but it ignores the fact that whole swaths of the planet - including East Asia, where I live - do not have any problem with MSG."

It's plain that the case against MSG remains unproven and not the gospel truth. MSG-phobia will conclude that the government, science and and other mega-corporates of the food industry really are all in league with each other to poison us for a profit. And that I am really the owner of Aji-no-moto or Nestle trying to market MSG / Maggi Mee in this forum.

Or you make a different decision and recognise that glutamate exists in natural food and not every disease in this world is due to the MSG, as some would lead you to believe. The choice is for each individual to make. That is my point. My apology if it is out of topic to other forumers.

zinglicious
13-10-2009, 03:46 PM
I wonder why SunwayK choose the pharagragh thumb up fro FDa where it is recognized as generally safe.....
But if he read his post thorougly. wonder why UK writer choose to throw away his AJI No Motto and praticed what Prof Ikeda wife did, make soup with kelp and seaweed with naturally occuring MSG instead of cepat dimasak, sedap dimakan white powder. :p

Might not headaches, but sure save him a lot of heartaches in medical bills later :D

The best investment protection is our own bodies. Why work $ sweat so hard but end up to pay so much when we neglect it? :confused:

zinglicious
14-10-2009, 02:08 AM
Yeah, some chefs are just average, and some chefs are just mean. Yep, they meant by what they cook, not some artificial nice waxy noodles.
In fact, Gordon Ramsay once told his line cook - dont kill my customers with uncooked chicken. It still have (salmonella) bacteria. And countless of times on the other programmes when he was trying to revamp other restaurants in trouble.
He was mean in Hell Kitchen, but he meant what it said. But to the diners, he was the angel to provide top notch food of quality. And he sure was the angel when he successful revamp some of the dead kitchens. Your eyes were popped out at some of the kitchens conditions in terms of hygiene and quality before he revamped and "F" everybody in sight who is responsible for it either owners, chefs and staff. Some chef are average because they are plain lazy to even cook pasta correctly.
BTW, he has the the TV program called the "F" word.
Perhaps, I did stray from the wax noodles but jsut merely making my statement, I mean to stand by my statement where the crux of the waxy noodles, consumers have the rights to know the risks of eating unhealthy food - waxy or sexy induced MSG. :cool: