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Carolrasiah
27-09-2009, 11:27 PM
Straight As student dies after snatch theft

http://www.thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2009/9/27/nation/4793239&sec=nation

jimmyay
28-09-2009, 10:12 AM
It's sad, angry & frustration when we see this type of news.

There is a few more today:-
The son of veteran comedian Norlia Ghani fell to his death when he tried to catch an intruder at Jalan Gurney in Sentul (the intruder is not scared of it at all)

An American engineer was shot in the chest when he went to the aid of a 70-year-old woman who was struggling with a snatch thief at Plaza Mount Kiara. (the snatch thief had a gun? OMG)



http://www.thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2009/9/28/nation/4796534&sec=nation

bslee
28-09-2009, 10:58 AM
These petty crimes are now serious and very alarming, so should we shout out for stiffer penalties or keep quiet on police brutality to them flers when these robbers and thieves are caught?

sarawakian
28-09-2009, 11:01 AM
Actually...the best way so far as far as I am concerned and exeprienced are these:

a. strong community
b. vigilantes who whack the buggers and then start going after these scums
c. wait and set traps for them and wait to whack them off their bikes.

Yeah...we need to do it ourselves as these issues will never go away as they will always come back and hurt us...the only way is FULL ERADICATION of such rats :mad:

Raikonen
28-09-2009, 11:15 AM
Actually...the best way so far as far as I am concerned and exeprienced are these:

a. strong community
b. vigilantes who whack the buggers and then start going after these scums
c. wait and set traps for them and wait to whack them off their bikes.

Yeah...we need to do it ourselves as these issues will never go away as they will always come back and hurt us...the only way is FULL ERADICATION of such rats :mad:

Point 1, yes...

No No to point 2 and 3...we are not ruled by law of the jungle yet...So it is a bad idea to whack and resort to violence...Someone may end up dead as highlighted above posts...Worse still you get charged in court and end up getting jail time...

The police must still be the primary party responsible for security...If the govt, home minister or whoever in charge is not bothered to do their proper jobs and bz making hay while the sun shines, we change all of them come 2013.

sarawakian
28-09-2009, 11:17 AM
actually...that is waht we have in mind...question is....would the people in uniform cahnge? :D

Also, i think sometimes the men in unform do not take petty crimes seriously.... Cause it is not so important.. sad but true if they think like that

yeah...I would like to see the next round where some socialist group start getting better and gives us an alternative.

dragonfly
28-09-2009, 12:12 PM
Actually...the best way so far as far as I am concerned and exeprienced are these:

a. strong community
b. vigilantes who whack the buggers and then start going after these scums
c. wait and set traps for them and wait to whack them off their bikes.Yeah...we need to do it ourselves as these issues will never go away as they will always come back and hurt us...the only way is FULL ERADICATION of such rats :mad:
I think the most effective way is to set traps/bait to nap the culprits. PDRM should seriously set up an anti-snatch theft squad to deal solely with this crime. The officers could disguise as potential victims and loiter around places of high risk. When caught, these cases should be highlighted in the press so that the thief would hesitate whether he is being led into a trap.

But this is bolehland.........where the cops are deployed in numbers and strength against peaceful protests.

Raikonen
28-09-2009, 12:16 PM
actually...that is waht we have in mind...question is....would the people in uniform cahnge? :D
Also, i think sometimes the men in unform do not take petty crimes seriously.... Cause it is not so important.. sad but true if they think like that

yeah...I would like to see the next round where some socialist group start getting better and gives us an alternative.

Difficult to change now as the whole system is in tatters...Need to focus on the recruitment process GIGO...and also the salaries...Our civil servants a re quite lowly paid...Our PM only get like...RM500K in salary annually? Spore PM Singa dollar 4 million..but no topups of course... :D

sarawakian
28-09-2009, 12:34 PM
hahahhahahahhahha...RM5....on paper plus extra extra..hahahhahahahhahaha

vsat
28-09-2009, 12:44 PM
Guys, why is there laughter when it is a tragic story? Her parents are in mourning and you guys are putting on smiley faces and "hahahaha" all the way. Have some respect because the thread has something to do with her death.
Senseless.

besitai2007
28-09-2009, 01:12 PM
Our police force have lost their sense of direction. I wish something can revive them to make them people that we can respect.

EricK
28-09-2009, 02:36 PM
and people still question why many ordinary citizen are taking the initiative to safeguard their home by resorting to G & G :rolleyes: ..

zinglicious
29-09-2009, 07:34 AM
Our police force have lost their sense of direction. I wish something can revive them to make them people that we can respect.

Simple, just scrapped the formula 1 yearly expenses to buy new tyres or drivers and divert it into Polis Di Raja Malaysia , We have more speedy cars and bikes to catch the robbers. And reponse time would be upgrade from 1km / hour to 110 km/ h.
Our police force has lost the sense of direction as thier cars are fitted with celup tyres and insuffient petrol to response to 999 distress call.

xaviers
29-09-2009, 08:25 AM
Simple, just scrapped the formula 1 yearly expenses to buy new tyres or drivers and divert it into Polis Di Raja Malaysia , We have more speedy cars and bikes to catch the robbers. And reponse time would be upgrade from 1km / hour to 110 km/ h.
Our police force has lost the sense of direction as thier cars are fitted with celup tyres and insuffient petrol to response to 999 distress call.


boleh ka... we seem to be throwing tonnes on money at them still no diff.
we have still so many unsolved cases(i.e. Nurin) , this will just be another in the filing room

zinglicious
29-09-2009, 08:40 AM
In US, there are also unresolved cases but at least they are equipped with enough bullets , gasolines, and tyres to track and hunt down the criminals.
In Singapore, they are motorbikes, but what are the incident of motorbikes snatch theft or robbery there. Police are not just seen there but effectively doing thier jobs and well equipped too.

Here, the usual excuse is - Tak cukup Duit, Tak Cukup Polis, kena ambil RELA, Kerana lebih Jimat dan Murah.

But we can come up with amazing Billions / rpm !!!!!!!!!

bslee
29-09-2009, 01:03 PM
I always felt its always very tough to hunt and catch those snatch thieves on bikes who easily disappear into oblivion within the city or township. Its almost never that the onlooking public are going to give chase on foot. (might happen in a smaller town or kampung though, NOT in the busy city) I think it happens so fast that any witnesses won't even have time to note down details that can assist the police. I'm quite sure these snatch theives ain't stupid nor inexperienced and knowing very well where to hide after the crime. Many home and office video cams with video footage of crimes are known to be blurry and useless to say the least. NOT easy for PDRM..unless they have solid leads from informers or some detained suspects. I could say its nothing short of miraculous if PDRM catch the right suspect in the aftermath. My 2 sen.

Carolrasiah
29-09-2009, 01:51 PM
WHY then do we have a police men/police stations for? Are we not NOT paying them do their job – are they dressed for shows and carry a gun as a souvenir? I really don’t think we should tolerate such nonsense from them – the security of every Malaysian is at stake – i wonder if we realize that. Our self-centredness will ruin us in unexpected ways. :(

bslee
29-09-2009, 02:13 PM
WHY then do we have a police men/police stations for? Are we not NOT paying them do their job – are they dressed for shows and carry a gun as a souvenir?

Errr..I tell you who's paying for their existence. STUPID MALAYSIANS CONSTANTLY FLOUTING TRAFFIC LAWS by compounding summons.
And why not?, periodically so proud of "MILLIONS of RM" of fines collected, Periodically reminding rakyat to pay up, periodically announcing "ops XXX" to tangkap defaulters by banging at door or gate whilst you're in your pyjamas? What more can I say?.. We've ALL heard this time and again but choose to ignore anyhow.
BTW, I somehow believe a police constable of post Merdeka and current ones are a different breed. Go figure. Things are NOT the same anymore and never will be. Many moons ago I remember a speech by IGP to PDRM telling them to concentrate more on real crimes than traffic offences. Should I believe things have changed?...NOT in the next century. Meanwhile lets not believe how TV land police operate in other countries can happen here. Never will.. The mindset and attitudes are ENTIRELY DIFFERENT!. Yes, You're not entitled phonecall to your lawyer either...thats for TV land.

Another news spin. Broad daylight robbery. This is Malaysia for us all.

http://thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2009/9/29/nation/20090929134046&sec=nation

zinglicious
29-09-2009, 03:29 PM
The millions of fines seem insufficient to pay enough police to patrol on the streets to battle everyday crimes. otherwise, why do we need to get RELA to help the PDRM to combat crimes where they are trained for two weeks?
Looks like what I saw in the olde western movies, where the COWBOY town would deputized people to be part of sheriff ASSitants to hunt down villians.
Giddyup! here's the badge and you are now deputized to be the law of the town.

bslee
29-09-2009, 06:32 PM
Looks like what I saw in the olde western movies, where the COWBOY town would deputized people to be part of sheriff ASSitants to hunt down villians.
Giddyup! here's the badge and you are now deputized to be the law of the town.

Ah!, lets not get carried away. Everyone expects the police to perform with satisfying results but unfortunately Malaysia diseased with all sorts of crimes and offences ranging from religious, petty, armed robberies, snatch thieves, sexual perverts, macam macam you can imagine that goes on everyday and spun in the news.
I think Malaysians are NOT clear or mostly ignorant about how to take the law into own hands or even a citizen's arrest. Its just plainly call PDRM and let them do the rest. Citizens are not allowed to abuse or beat the daylights out of a crime suspect but quickly hand them over for justice. Whack ot torture the suspect and you yourself may get into trouble. The trouble is, PDRM take so much time to arrive to the crime scene...how leh?..This simple issue is oso a long time problem, how ah???

patrick
29-09-2009, 08:18 PM
I always felt its always very tough to hunt and catch those snatch thieves on bikes who easily disappear into oblivion within the city or township. Its almost never that the onlooking public are going to give chase on foot. (might happen in a smaller town or kampung though, NOT in the busy city) I think it happens so fast that any witnesses won't even have time to note down details that can assist the police. I'm quite sure these snatch theives ain't stupid nor inexperienced and knowing very well where to hide after the crime... My 2 sen.

Yeah lah..City very difficult. Twice I chased them in my car but lost them to traffic. MY brother in law chased and fought one in Jln Alor and that bugger cut him up badly with a penknife. His thigh was slit up!

bslee
29-09-2009, 10:00 PM
Yeah lah..City very difficult.

SO!...we actually cannot deny and at wits end on soaring and most daring crime rates in Malaysia now ya?... and there's NOTHING much the rakyat can do but depend on government strategies to drastically reduce the crime rate.
I'm sure we're all NOT interested to see crime reduction by 5 to 10% annually but hope to see at least 50% reduction. HOW LEH??...
1. Severly limit or temporarily stop all foreign labor and deport illegals in large numbers, no if's and no but's.
2. Mandatory minimum 10 years jail for convicted petty robber or thief. Rotan?
3. Mandatory life or death sentence for any robber involving death of victim/s.
4. Mandatory life sentence for armed robbers (excluding those for firearms)
5. They can use ISA detention on 2,3,4 at Kamunting?..
6. What else?

xaviers
30-09-2009, 08:33 AM
The way I look at this is that, we will have to fend for ourselves for some time.
The politicians are busy safe guarding their positions, they don't care about us, they have interest in themselves...just look at the all the news articles - don't they have a common theme?

Blue Jasmine
30-09-2009, 11:20 AM
The way I look at this is that, we will have to fend for ourselves for some time.
The politicians are busy safe guarding their positions, they don't care about us, they have interest in themselves...just look at the all the news articles - don't they have a common theme?



The worst is not the snatch thieves and those that hurt ppl. Is the people around that saw this and do nothing. Albert Einsteen quoted that ''The world is not dangerous because of those who do harm but because of those who look at it without doing anything.''

bslee
30-09-2009, 11:26 AM
The way I look at this is that, we will have to fend for ourselves for some time.


What I've been ranting periodically, is WE ARE on our own basically and essentially, has been and always will be. Needless to say about those politicians really serving the rakyat with outstanding or remarkable achievements. We the rakyat are just made out to be subservient taxpayers otherwise you'd be slammed.. nothing short of it. Thats Malaysia for all...

Raikonen
30-09-2009, 03:04 PM
Not when we have polisi like this....

Cops extort money from tour guide

http://mt.m2day.org/2008/content/view/27361/84/


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bslee
30-09-2009, 04:49 PM
Not when we have polisi like this....
Cops extort money from tour guide

(should the story be true)
And the suspects are conveniently assigned to desk duty? Thats gahmen operating proceedure for you... If it was some petty thief... anyone can guess what happens next.. This can only happen in Malaysia!. Malaysia Boleh!
Many issues and operating policies NEED to overhaul or completely change. This kind of reassignement have been going on for decades and nothing seems point to change. Do something wrong and you're transferred or re-assigned, how convenient. They should be thrown into the lockup and detained indefinetely till charged in court. They can then have their day in court like any other suspect to prove their innocence.

AllUrban
30-09-2009, 05:14 PM
(should the story be true)
And the suspects are conveniently assigned to desk duty? Thats gahmen operating proceedure for you... If it was some petty thief... anyone can guess what happens next.. This can only happen in Malaysia!. Malaysia Boleh!
Many issues and operating policies NEED to overhaul or completely change. This kind of reassignement have been going on for decades and nothing seems point to change. Do something wrong and you're transferred or re-assigned, how convenient. They should be thrown into the lockup and detained indefinetely till charged in court. They can then have their day in court like any other suspect to prove their innocence.the process in any organization that receives a complaint about misconduct is to suspend with pay or move to restricted duty. Otherwise, they could also get in trouble if the allegations are unproven.

It is just the same as the idea that a suspect is innocent until proven guilty. We would expect that treatment for ourselves, and so we must expect the same thing for a person accused of misconduct. They also must have the chance to have their "day in court"

Unfortunately, some organizations do try to shift people around ... often it is because of managers trying to avoid trouble for themselves, not people trying to "protect one of their own"

Cheers, m

tmd
01-10-2009, 08:01 AM
The crux of the problem is the widening gap between rich and the poor.

zinglicious
01-10-2009, 08:46 AM
What I've been ranting periodically, is WE ARE on our own basically and essentially, has been and always will be. Needless to say about those politicians really serving the rakyat with outstanding or remarkable achievements. We the rakyat are just made out to be subservient taxpayers otherwise you'd be slammed.. nothing short of it. Thats Malaysia for all...

The police job is to protect and serve. Ironic, right?
Are Malaysian being adequately protected and which Malaysians being actually served?
It is so ridiculous when Polis Di Raja Malaysia even have to look for RELA to patrol our streets and proudly traning and enlisting them after two weeks of training!
You see Polis so cekap in arresting politicians by holding candlelights rather than Mat Rempit who have been creating havoc by carrying parangs with groups of motorbikes blaring the light of residents.

patrick
02-10-2009, 06:08 PM
SO!...we actually cannot deny and at wits end on soaring and most daring crime rates in Malaysia now ya?... and there's NOTHING much the rakyat can do but depend on government strategies to drastically reduce the crime rate.
I'm sure we're all NOT interested to see crime reduction by 5 to 10% annually but hope to see at least 50% reduction. HOW LEH??...
1. Severly limit or temporarily stop all foreign labor and deport illegals in large numbers, no if's and no but's.
2. Mandatory minimum 10 years jail for convicted petty robber or thief. Rotan?
3. Mandatory life or death sentence for any robber involving death of victim/s.
4. Mandatory life sentence for armed robbers (excluding those for firearms)
5. They can use ISA detention on 2,3,4 at Kamunting?..
6. What else?

Sokong, sokong, sokong! I dare not say agreed, agreed, agreed lest I be charged for plagiarism! ;-) This whole episode going on in this country is getting to be a sickening cycle. We import in much cheap labour and deprive many Malaysians of jobs due to unlevel playing field. In the course of it all, our deprived Malaysians together with other illegal immigrants start turning to crime for a living. Then the ordinary Malaysians huddle in fear and start to gate themselves up, some fearing even to allow their young ones out of their dwellings. Meanwhile, they often start to employ immigrants (ironical isnt it?) to "protect" them and guard their gates. Our freedom and friendly environment looks more like Alcatraz by the day. Is it all worth it? I agree with BS.... we should just send back all the immigrants and start to rehire our own citizens with higher wages, better benefits etc. And lose out to world competitiveness? Nonsense...we wont. It may hurt the employers' bottom line initially, and they will just make less profit. Soon enough, they will find ways and means to stay competitive. Cheap labour is just an easy way out for employers and also to benefit the middlemen who bring in the labour. Nothing more! And who are these middlemen...????

That's a brief summation of where we are today. The crime rate, the gates, the guards are all a result of some incompetent and/or greedy people who cant see the trees for the forest and driving our beloved country into the quadmire.... sadly.

zinglicious
03-10-2009, 02:00 PM
6. vote for the Govt which can bring about the change, not just having some KPI or IPK indexes and talk talk talk about it but with no action.
The freedom to walk peaceful in the neighbourhood and sleeping soundly should be the first and foremost formula parameter of the GOVT of the day instead of formula One.

Sukdershan
03-10-2009, 10:58 PM
That's a brief summation of where we are today. The crime rate, the gates, the guards are all a result of some incompetent and/or greedy people who cant see the trees for the forest and driving our beloved country into the quadmire.... sadly.[/QUOTE]

Well said Sir. I is really sickening to see our country going down the slippery slope of a failed nation.


Well just musing " How many of us do exercise our voting rights" ? :)

zinglicious
04-10-2009, 01:24 AM
In fact, I think I offer some goodies at my restaurant to get people registered before Merdeka, but guess what? Nobody turn up for the whole month. The same with the book X change. But at least it was at short notice and long holiday weekend. Last but not least, three people turn up.
I did those in response after reading the post in USJ forum but either the people dont care or my food aint good enough. :confused: :confused:
Otherwise, because of the leaderships by example, the rakyat aslo act like the ministers - NATO - No Action Talk Only.
Btw, to be fair, Some of the forumers send their moral support for the action and explain the reasons for not participating like the tupai lompat from here to Thailand jungle for some ripe bananas and others couldnt get the jet loan from Sarawakian tycoon.

jimmyay
19-10-2009, 09:50 PM
My friend passed away last week in McD, Bandar Utama. The robber stab a knife while trying to grab a notebook. He is just 30 years old. Bright and energetic young man.
The feeling i get is unimaginable....

http://www.sinchew.com.my/node/134586?tid=1

If anyone have any info that would help to get those criminal, please let me know.

patrick
19-10-2009, 10:26 PM
My friend passed away last week in McD, Bandar Utama. The robber stab a knife while trying to grab a notebook. He is just 30 years old. Bright and energetic young man.
The feeling i get is unimaginable....

http://www.sinchew.com.my/node/134586?tid=1

If anyone have any info that would help to get those criminal, please let me know.

My god...another innocent victim. And just for a laptop. This country is really going to the dogs. How many more innocent Malaysians and tourists my suffer before they act! And guys, when you carry backpack with your usual bottle of water in the sidepocket of your backpack, please be very careful. My friend who was carrying that around in Bukit Bintang area, found the cap of his water bottle a bit loose. When he examine his water bottle closely, he found some strange looking particles in his water bottle. He emptied his bottle, washed it and refill it. What would have happened if he had drank his water ? We dare to only make a guess. So...do be careful. And be suspicious of everyone and anything that goes on around it in this beloved country that goes more sick by the day. Sad.... real sad!!

Sentinel
19-10-2009, 10:37 PM
I am angry beyond words reading this... how come no one organise a peaceful demonstration on the streets of Kuala Lumpur and demand for reduced crime? All they every demonstrate for are all just political stuff?

USJ27Resident
20-10-2009, 01:25 AM
Cheap labour is just an easy way out for employers and also to benefit the middlemen who bring in the labour. Nothing more! And who are these middlemen...????

That's a brief summation of where we are today. The crime rate, the gates, the guards are all a result of some incompetent and/or greedy people who cant see the trees for the forest and driving our beloved country into the quadmire.... sadly.

you know and I know who these middle men are.... cronies and cohorts of well-connected people....

zinglicious
20-10-2009, 06:35 AM
I am angry beyond words reading this... how come no one organise a peaceful demonstration on the streets of Kuala Lumpur and demand for reduced crime? All they every demonstrate for are all just political stuff?

Sokong! Fighting crimes should be part of the politicians as we have fought and won the indepence. Safety of the citizen must be the top of the adgenda as problems exists because of the the govt policies - be it economics or the laws made.
Now, we are under siege by the terrorism of crimes where livess are lost and people fearful even in thier own neighboorhood or homes.
But then again, we have politicians taliking the same bull dungs from mathathir era until now about crime preventions.......but the same old dung again.....they just talk and talk but walk the talk? Nope.

jan tomaswaki
20-10-2009, 08:35 AM
Today The Sun paper says Beyonce is not coming this weekend-scare of terrorism although appreance fees had been paid,her father wants the gomen to guarantee her safety,and the editor Goh Ban Lee made a very interesting article,pls read it-full of common sense!!!Cheers

Chia Hak Soon
20-10-2009, 10:32 AM
It is time to impose HUDUD Laws on these scumbags. Cut off their hands

jimmyay
21-10-2009, 09:15 AM
It is time to impose HUDUD Laws on these scumbags. Cut off their hands

We have laws but poor enforcement & corrupted enforcer. Do they even care whether they are doing a good job or not? As long the rice bowl is there, why they need to work hard. Public voice is not strong and accountability is low.

But instead...
When MRR2 breaking up, finger is pointed to the Indonesian Worker.
When rape happened, the girl is blamed for dressing sexy.
When break-in happened, the public is blamed for not taking initiatives to protect own asset.
When snatch-theft happened, the public is blamed for walking close to the road.
and the list goes on........
Why our voted representatives aka MP or Minister are having low mentality?
Or they think that we Msian are sucker to accept all those nonsense?

I will put the blame to our minister. They are the person that need to take up the responsibility. They are highly paid and highly corrupted while zero accountability.... how can this be?
(When Enron & Worldwide case happened, financial officer & director are liable-go to jail/fine for those nonsense)


:mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:

zinglicious
21-10-2009, 02:38 PM
One more time, read my finger when the it is tapped, almost everything is intwined with politics....from MRR2 to Mat rempit, from stadium to courthouse collapse cracks to death in MACC building.
Yet, nobody is blamed and always comes out that it is that or this or simply act of good! :mad: :mad: :mad:
In Korea, the president committed suiside, In Malaysia , homicide is being to the witness! :p :p :p

pepsi
21-10-2009, 03:30 PM
I am angry beyond words reading this... how come no one organise a peaceful demonstration on the streets of Kuala Lumpur and demand for reduced crime? All they every demonstrate for are all just political stuff?

Yes, I agree that we should. We would get Malaysians from all political divide. Imagine the numbers. So far a lot of people concentrate on race issues and political issues but Malaysians are living in fear of criminals running free.
Our police time and resources have been busy with roadblocks for political matters.
I wonder if our PM is aware that Malaysians are concern of the crima rate ?

Sentinel
21-10-2009, 05:27 PM
I wonder if our PM is aware that Malaysians are concern of the crima rate ?Maybe thats the reason he extended the contract of the IGP for one more year, no? :mad:

gtl
21-10-2009, 10:22 PM
look at USJ, everyone is putting fences up, it is like a jail.
what choice do we have. we have to put up fences to protect ourselves.
do not blame the citizen for being upset.
it is just mad!