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kuma
17-08-2009, 03:18 PM
Looks like more challenges with the Vaccine.:(

Swine flu jab link to killer nerve disease......25 related deaths READ HERE (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1206807/Swine-flu-jab-link-killer-nerve-disease-Leaked-letter-reveals-concern-neurologists-25-deaths-America.html)

bugbear
17-08-2009, 05:10 PM
Looks like more challenges with the Vaccine.:(

Swine flu jab link to killer nerve disease......25 related deaths READ HERE (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1206807/Swine-flu-jab-link-killer-nerve-disease-Leaked-letter-reveals-concern-neurologists-25-deaths-America.html)
Interesting news. Will keep tab of this development. Unless, the vaccine is safe for use, I don't think it will be marketed.

ksj_cool
18-08-2009, 02:46 PM
i think they will test thoroughly, before releasing it.

zap188
18-08-2009, 04:04 PM
Live now DG of Health answering your questions on H1N1

http://www.nst.com.my/NSTLIVE/pix/mailmecannst/index.html

kwchang
19-08-2009, 12:18 AM
...swine flu jab link to killer nerve disease......25 related deaths READ HERE (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1206807/Swine-flu-jab-link-killer-nerve-disease-Leaked-letter-reveals-concern-neurologists-25-deaths-America.html). The way the Mail Online report was written delivered a message that the new vaccine could elicit GBS, a dangerous neurological disease.

I think we need to be careful how we read that article quoted by Kuma. Initially when I first read it, I was thinking that the hopes of a functional vaccine are dashed. However when I searched for "Guillain-Barre Syndrome H1N1 vaccine" (without the quote marks) within news.google.com (note, I did not search under the general google search service), I found a number of interesting news articles.

There was one article in Examiner.com (http://www.examiner.com/x-10438-Peace-Studies-Examiner~y2009m8d16-H1N1-vaccine-biological-weapon-of-mass-destruction-human-experimentation) which made the situation clear to me ...

In July, a letter was sent to 600 senior neurologists to alert them that the vaccine could trigger Guillian-Barre Syndrome (GBS) brain disease. Specialist doctors were also requested to report every case of GBS. One important note was that GBS was not expected to be linked to the H1N1 vaccination. This advice was given only because they had this experience in the past when another H1N1 vaccine was being created - that was in 1976. The 1976 vaccine was never used because of that.

The "leaked letter" was only asking doctors to observe for GBS, in case it mimics the incident in 1976. It did not say that there is a similar risk. However Mirror Online made it sound like there is a direct link to the new vaccine

Just because of this one news article, they have made people scared and some health workers have even said they will not want to get the vaccination when it comes out in October.

By the way, the Mirror is a tabloid in the UK and they sell their papers on sensationalisations - not unlike some of our own papers.

IMPORTANT NOTE - the way that Kuma worded his post above, it delivered a wrong message. People who did not take time to digest the news would come away with the WRONG message.

bugbear
19-08-2009, 10:04 AM
I agree with kwchang above. During this pandemic time, there are bound to be rumours and innuendos flying about. I believe we should wait for the official result of testing done before commenting about it. At the moment, the vaccine is still under trial.

besitai2007
19-08-2009, 10:30 AM
The Discovery Channel documentary on the A(H1N1) virus pandemic is very informative. Saw it on Monday 17 August in the morning and yesterday evening over Astro. Hope Astro repeats it again for those of you who missed it. All information on the virus plus potential nerve disease from vaccines are shown in the documentary. Be informed so that you know what you are up against.

Hopefully, the virus will keep changing its genetic material as it hops from one host to another and, like the spanish flu, suddenly stops spreading as it acquires a genetic mix that makes it no longer a threat. This diagram of how they virus changes can be helpful to understand why viruses suddenly become virulent and disappear. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:AntigenicShift_HiRes.png

orchipalar
20-08-2009, 02:18 AM
Err buddies...it's predicted that AIDS pandemic alone...
could kill about 31 million people in India...
n about 18 million in China in another 15 years...

Another prediction by WHO estimated that AIDS pandemic death toll in Africa may reach 100 million by the same period of 15 years time....

Orchi reads...upto 2.5 million worldwide death toll is reported annually caused by Stroke...n Heart Diseases...
or 37.5 millions by the same period of 15 years time...

Orchi reads...the worldwide death toll rate caused by diseases infected by mosquito bites...is AT LEAST 2 millions annually...
or 30 millions by the same period of 15 years time...

Orchi also reads...the worldwide death toll rate arising from road accidents only...is reported to be around 1.2 million annually...
or 18 millions by the same period of 15 years time...

Orchi reads too...worldwide...CANCER diseases would claim 7.6 million lives...
this YEAR 2009 alone.

It has now been reported that there are now about 300,000 humans worldwide being infected by H1N1 Flu in 5 months...
since its outbreak in April 2009...with death toll rate being reported as upto 1%...
or near to 3,000 deaths which would occur rapidly following the infection...so far.

IF Orchi may assume that 2 millions humans worldwide would be infected by H1N1 Flu in each year...with the death toll rate of upto 2% instead.
There could be about 40,000 H1N1 deaths each year...
or 600,000 H1N1 death in another 15 years...

So...please remember these in no particular priority order...

1. Practice Safe Sex...n pray your blood is NOT tainted with HIV...
2. Mosquito is THE #1 Killer diseases...carrier insect.
3. Drive Safe...RIDE Safe...n commune SAFELY.
4. Practice Clean Personal Hygiene.
5. Consume healthy balanced diets...
Don't consume unhealthy fatty foodstuffs...
n Don't consume food...excessively...
6. Refrain from joining crowded leisure events...
7. Get regular Medical Checkups...
8. Don't get too much uptight...or stressful...
9. Don't get drunk...or intoxicated...
10. RELAX...

maxima
20-08-2009, 11:31 AM
Facemasks do more harm than good ? :confused:

========================================

THE BEST WAY OF STAYING OUT OF H1N1 TROUBLE

RECENTLY, I saw photos in newspapers showing people wearing "surgical masks" at shopping malls, schools, mamak stalls and other public areas. I have even noticed people wearing them out in the open with no one around.

Because of this, I would like to explain why the mask may do more harm than good.

The H1N1 virus is not airborne. To be considered an airborne virus, the microorganism would have to survive or remain in the air for long periods of time. The H1N1 virus does not stay airborne.

I have noticed many people wearing masks in crowded places. However, places like airports, shopping malls and schools are full of germs and bacteria. If a small amount of bacteria gets into a hole in the mask, you will provide a breeding ground for the bacteria, which may lead to an illness or infection. The moisture you produce in your mask is perfect for bacteria and viruses, and may be a recipe for disaster.

The way to prevent exposure to H1N1 virus is to avoid physical contact with people who may be sick or infected. Also avoid commonly touched surfaces like escalator railings, poles and public toilet doorknobs.

The H1N1 virus usually spreads when someone touches surfaces with the bacteria and then touches his own nose, eyes or mouth.

Washing your hands frequently is the best defense against exposure.

And yes, the virus may travel from point A to point B in the air. But it will drop, not stay airborne.

Wearing a mask is only good at helping you not to spread your illness to others if you are infected.

Source: NST – Letter to Editor on August 7, '09 by Kiang Jau Sang Malacca

loksim
20-08-2009, 02:52 PM
I wonder why those doctors and nurses wear mask when handling suspect patient, are they sick? mislead of wearing mask? what happen if a H1N1 carrier sneeze inside a elevator or enclose area, since H1N1 is not airborne, do we get it if we don't wear mask?

orchipalar
20-08-2009, 03:18 PM
Err buddies...Malaysia is placed 8th highest worldwide...
with statistics of reported death toll...so far.

United States (46,927)[3] 480[4]
Brazil 5,767[5] 421[6]
Argentina (6,768)[7] 407[8]
Mexico 19,634[9] 164[9]
Australia 32,799[11] 128[11]
Thailand 13,019[13] 111[13]
Chile 12,104[14][15] 105(7)[14]
Malaysia 4,225[16] 68[1]
Canada (11,976)[17] 67[1]
Peru 6,121[18] 62[1]
United Kingdom (12,903)[21][1] 49[21]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_flu_pandemic

Richard Poh
20-08-2009, 03:21 PM
I wonder why those doctors and nurses wear mask when handling suspect patient, are they sick? mislead of wearing mask? what happen if a H1N1 carrier sneeze inside a elevator or enclose area, since H1N1 is not airborne, do we get it if we don't wear mask?
Why a Doctor & Nurse wear mask ? And are they sick ? Hello loksim , does your mom know you are typing in this forum. Go and watch TV ,you little brat !

firefox
20-08-2009, 03:39 PM
Its being reported that new cases are rising at a alarming rate..today itself more 550 cases...What are the government plans to stop this eperdemic from speading.?

Naka
20-08-2009, 03:53 PM
Why ppl like to mention the Goman, i think it's everyone task to prevent this pandemic.

maxima
20-08-2009, 04:02 PM
Why ppl like to mention the Goman, i think it's everyone task to prevent this pandemic.

what can gomen do beside asking us to wash hand and wear mask ?

they won't ask us to take coconut water, raw vinegar (eg. Bragg's), fruit juice, enzyme drink....

Richard Poh
20-08-2009, 04:11 PM
Why ppl like to mention the Goman, i think it's everyone task to prevent this pandemic.
Because they are paid by our hard earned money to do their specific job.

fRaNkY
20-08-2009, 05:12 PM
Err buddies...Malaysia is placed 8th highest worldwide...
with statistics of reported death toll...so far.

United States (46,927)[3] 480[4]
Brazil 5,767[5] 421[6]
Argentina (6,768)[7] 407[8]
Mexico 19,634[9] 164[9]
Australia 32,799[11] 128[11]
Thailand 13,019[13] 111[13]
Chile 12,104[14][15] 105(7)[14]
Malaysia 4,225[16] 68[1]
Canada (11,976)[17] 67[1]
Peru 6,121[18] 62[1]
United Kingdom (12,903)[21][1] 49[21]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_flu_pandemic

Wah! Malaysia Boleh! :mad:

wikipid
20-08-2009, 10:02 PM
Why a Doctor & Nurse wear mask ? And are they sick ? Hello loksim , does your mom know you are typing in this forum. Go and watch TV ,you little brat !

Hellooo Richard, control your words, how can you bring people mom in, I suppose he just wanted some correct answer for wearing mask, and he may be old enough to be you dad, so if you don't have good idea about mask, let others explain.

kuma
21-08-2009, 01:49 AM
. The way the Mail Online report was written delivered a message that the new vaccine could elicit GBS, a dangerous neurological disease.

I think we need to be careful how we read that article quoted by Kuma. Initially when I first read it, I was thinking that the hopes of a functional vaccine are dashed. However when I searched for "Guillain-Barre Syndrome H1N1 vaccine" (without the quote marks) within news.google.com (note, I did not search under the general google search service), I found a number of interesting news articles.

There was one article in Examiner.com (http://www.examiner.com/x-10438-Peace-Studies-Examiner~y2009m8d16-H1N1-vaccine-biological-weapon-of-mass-destruction-human-experimentation) which made the situation clear to me ...

In July, a letter was sent to 600 senior neurologists to alert them that the vaccine could trigger Guillian-Barre Syndrome (GBS) brain disease. Specialist doctors were also requested to report every case of GBS. One important note was that GBS was not expected to be linked to the H1N1 vaccination. This advice was given only because they had this experience in the past when another H1N1 vaccine was being created - that was in 1976. The 1976 vaccine was never used because of that.

The "leaked letter" was only asking doctors to observe for GBS, in case it mimics the incident in 1976. It did not say that there is a similar risk. However Mirror Online made it sound like there is a direct link to the new vaccine

Just because of this one news article, they have made people scared and some health workers have even said they will not want to get the vaccination when it comes out in October.

By the way, the Mirror is a tabloid in the UK and they sell their papers on sensationalisations - not unlike some of our own papers.

IMPORTANT NOTE - the way that Kuma worded his post above, it delivered a wrong message. People who did not take time to digest the news would come away with the WRONG message.

Hmm! Interesting:eek:... Mr. Chang, I like the way you chose to downplay this by sidelining it and making inference to my "wording" in the post....when in actual fact you can see that I'm just quoting the Mail.

But, its OK...accepting your reasons and need to downplay this, I concede to your desire to lay it all on ME :D

However....we cannot deny that there is genuine and valid concerns esp. in the West about having to take this vaccine....now that Mass Vaccination protocols are being drawn up and getting readied for implementation.

I'm not disputing what you wrote and you are probably right...I suppose some people might agree as well....but it looks like it has not helped ally the fears of others, even some doctors and medical personnel.

The Age of Australia [ wonder if this is a 'Sensationalized' Tabloid too :D]...reports of leading infectious disease experts calling on the Aussie Govt to abandon the planned Mass Vaccination on account of other related infectious fears.
Risks Of Infectious Disease in Swine Flu Jabs (http://www.theage.com.au/national/infectious-disease-risk-in-swine-flu-jabs-20090820-es2a.html)

In the UK where the vaccine will be offered to frontline health and social care workers coming October..... The Times [surely an accepted MSM] reports that 1 in 3 nurses decline the swine flu vaccine (http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/health/Swine_flu/article6799297.ece)....out of which 60% cite safety of vaccine as primary reason.

Now in the US...their media is currently quoting the Mail report about the 'leaked' letters....and in a TV News report - WATCH HERE (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NlLIA-GQkoM&feature=related)..... they quote a neurologist as saying that "he will never take the shot"....

The TV report goes on to say that....in 1976 1 out of 80,000 got GBS....now, you can still get it....just the odd are believed to be less - 2 out of 2,000,000....or so as these drugs companies estimate.

Well...one thing is for sure....you are only going to get those final stats, [if at all] long after the Billions have been made and many people have been vaccinated....some dead.

So how? Will you take the jab?

kuma
21-08-2009, 02:54 AM
Here is a recent interview by RT, with the President of the National Vaccine Information Center in the USA....explaining the vaccine and speaking about her fears of this Vaccine.

WATCH HERE (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LAIbuxjftBc)

WATCH ANOTHER HERE (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J4CU_xdcXog&feature=related)

[ Now you can ignore the titles in the Youtube recordings of the show....it's definitely a Youtuber's sensational attempt at getting lots of views.....

....HOWEVER, I would be cautious about branding the 24/7 English News Channel 'Russia Today' as one that capitalizes on 'sensational' news....you know the Russians, they are very sensitive when it comes to any form of criticism :D ]

firecracker
21-08-2009, 01:51 PM
Minister of Hell in Msia ,reported a speeding ascend no. deaths . ..yawn..yawn..

boring...what's new ?

Naka
21-08-2009, 02:45 PM
Because they are paid by our hard earned money to do their specific job.

Wah, like that ah, no wonder, it's speading like fire. :eek:

ksj_cool
21-08-2009, 02:59 PM
Does nayone know any clinics which are participating in the 'RM80 Tamilflu' scheme. Shd you guys know pls post, it would be of assistance to people in urgent times!

ksj_cool
22-08-2009, 11:17 AM
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/booster_shots/2009/08/swine-flu-roundup-vaccine-testing-on-track.html

kuma
22-08-2009, 12:28 PM
WHO predicts more lives are at danger as H1N1 speeds up in coming months. It goes on to say that most countries may see H1N1 cases double up every 3-4 days for several months.

This pandemic is here to stay and over 1/3 of the worls population will be infected. That's 2 Billion people!! :eek:

Some Good News: 2 Drug companies will donate 150 million doses of vaccine to poorer countries by the end of October. [ But, are we a poor country?]

Read AP report (http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5gGBK5q0LgRNjBQCvYaHi4SlH0RwgD9A75RKG0)

Also....A Must Hear Interview on the Vaccine & Updates, with Author Dr. Sherri Tenpenny on America's Favorite Talk Show 'Coast To Coast AM' - 21st Aug 2009

LISTEN CLICK HERE (http://swineflu-vaccine-update.blogspot.com/)

[Note: Should you get an 'Error Occurred Message' - Just click on the Youtube Image - it will take you straight to main site and you should be able to view/ hear it.]

ksj_cool
22-08-2009, 01:20 PM
Rumours are that in Britian, the no of infections are droping, indicating a slow down of the virus. Is this true?

kuma
22-08-2009, 02:03 PM
Rumours are that in Britian, the no of infections are droping, indicating a slow down of the virus. Is this true?

Yes this is true.

There has been a 37% drop in weekly consultations for flu like symptoms and only 10% of new tests are now showing to have the virus.

BUT....they are expecting a "second wave" of swine flu to come in the next few months when school starts there in Sept.

READ HERE (http://uk.reuters.com/article/idUKTRE57J3VX20090820)

Also Note This....

WHO now says Healthy People Who Get H1N1 DONT NEED Tamiflu.

Healthy patients with uncomplicated illness need not be treated with Tamiflu....it goes on to say that most patients infected with the H1N1 virus just get typical flu symptoms and fully recover within a week without treatment.

WHO: Healthy People Don't Need Tamiflu (http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/aug/21/tamiflu-swine-flu-healthy)

So now....where does this leave us with the Vaccine...Do we Still Need It?

ksj_cool
22-08-2009, 03:53 PM
You may look healthy, but may be carrying a hidden health problem.

tsela
23-08-2009, 05:26 AM
Will you try?

Mainland China speaks...
http://www.reuters.com/news/video?videoId=109245
http://www.examiner.com/x-9303-Miami-Health-Care-Examiner~y2009m7d30-Can-Chinese-herbs-treat-swine-flu
http://www.bernama.com/bernama/v5/newsh1n1.php?id=427649
http://www.hindu.com/2009/07/24/stories/2009072455271300.htm

H1N1 Statistics Worldwide...
http://h1n1.flu-virus.org/H1N1-statistics.php

Google translation...
lonicera japonica: 金银花
Isatis Indigodica: 板蓝根
Mentha Haplocalyx Brip: 薄荷
Glycyrrhiza Glabra:甘草

kuma
23-08-2009, 12:25 PM
Will you try?

Mainland China speaks...
http://www.reuters.com/news/video?videoId=109245
http://www.examiner.com/x-9303-Miami-Health-Care-Examiner~y2009m7d30-Can-Chinese-herbs-treat-swine-flu
http://www.bernama.com/bernama/v5/newsh1n1.php?id=427649
http://www.hindu.com/2009/07/24/stories/2009072455271300.htm

H1N1 Statistics Worldwide...
http://h1n1.flu-virus.org/H1N1-statistics.php

Google translation...
lonicera japonica: 金银花
Isatis Indigodica: 板蓝根
Mentha Haplocalyx Brip: 薄荷
Glycyrrhiza Glabra:甘草

Well, if you read the WHO news report [see earlier post]...it says that most people recover from H1N1 in about 7 days "even without medical treatment".....now the Chinese are claiming that their herbal concoction will treat the infection in 7.4 days,....

SO...go figure :D

cskok8
23-08-2009, 06:14 PM
Well, if you read the WHO news report [see earlier post]...it says that most people recover from H1N1 in about 7 days "even without medical treatment".....now the Chinese are claiming that their herbal concoction will treat the infection in 7.4 days,....

SO...go figure :D

The Koreans are claiming that kimchi also works fine. Malaysia?? Maybe tongkat ali :D

USJ27Resident
23-08-2009, 09:07 PM
Also Note This....

WHO now says Healthy People Who Get H1N1 DONT NEED Tamiflu.

Healthy patients with uncomplicated illness need not be treated with Tamiflu....it goes on to say that most patients infected with the H1N1 virus just get typical flu symptoms and fully recover within a week without treatment.

Damn... with all the hoo-ha and the rush to buy Tamiflu, little wonder why Roche stocks would have gone thru the roof.... now how??? Time to offload the shares or the excess boxes of Tamiflu ??? :confused: ;)

Naka
23-08-2009, 09:10 PM
Damn... with all the hoo-ha and the rush to buy Tamiflu, little wonder why Roche stocks would have gone thru the roof.... now how??? Time to offload the shares or the excess boxes of Tamiflu ??? :confused: ;)

I kept ours---expiry date 2012

tsela
23-08-2009, 09:27 PM
WHO (World Health Organization) reports many healthy people recovered from H1N1 flu without medical treatment. With WHO also reporting rising deaths, who (we, not the organization) would want to risk watching and waiting for their infected family member to recover without medical treatment?

CDC (Centers for Disease Control and Prevention) recommends the use of Tamiflu or Relenza for prevention/treatment of infection with H1N1 virus. I had received preventive prescription of Tamiflu for travelling to infected countries but now reckoned could add cheaper and common herbal drink to boost immune system, to supplement usual preventive measures before a safe vaccination is available. Realized that there are wisdoms in herbal medicine which is mainstream therapeutic approach in China. Had came across many people with terminal diseases mystically prolonged their lives by waking up their natural defence system.

Puzzled, countries such as Japan, Korea, China and Taiwan have high number of infected cases but lower fatality rate as compared to Malaysia.

Prevention is better than cure!

maxima
24-08-2009, 02:38 PM
Received an email saying : Most N95 respirators are designed to filter 95% particulates of 0.3µ, while the size of H1N1 virus is about 0.1µ. Hence, dependence on N95 to protect against H1N1 is like protecting against rain with an umbrella made of mosquito net.

True ?


And it is said Lampe Berger can sterilize the air,

true ?

kuma
24-08-2009, 03:49 PM
Received an email saying : Most N95 respirators are designed to filter 95% particulates of 0.3µ, while the size of H1N1 virus is about 0.1µ. Hence, dependence on N95 to protect against H1N1 is like protecting against rain with an umbrella made of mosquito net.

True ?


And it is said Lampe Berger can sterilize the air,

true ?

N95 Respirators.

This Is What CDC Says (http://www.cdc.gov/h1n1flu/masks.htm)

And Another Veiw Point (http://www.naturalnews.com/026160_preparedness_swine_flu_outbreak.html)

Lamp Berger....I thought that was about Aromatherapy :D

maxima
24-08-2009, 04:31 PM
CDC (Centers for Disease Control and Prevention) recommends the use of Tamiflu or Relenza for prevention/treatment of infection with H1N1 virus. I had received preventive prescription of Tamiflu for travelling to infected countries but now reckoned could add cheaper and common herbal drink to boost immune system, to supplement usual preventive measures before a safe vaccination is available. Realized that there are wisdoms in herbal medicine which is mainstream therapeutic approach in China. Had came across many people with terminal diseases mystically prolonged their lives by waking up their natural defence system.

Prevention is better than cure!


Tamiflu = extract of Star Anise 八角 , Licorice 甘草 . Add on to your daily cooking should help.

Since today's "conventional" medicine has already been dominated by modern western medicine, those traditional ones have long been belittled as pseudo-science... :o

kuma
26-08-2009, 09:26 PM
The Malaysian Insider is carrying a Reuters Report that more than 50% of health workers surveyed in Hong Kong are planning to decline being vaccinated against the H1N1 virus on account of side effects fears and doubt it's effectiveness.

Read The Full Report Here (http://www.themalaysianinsider.com/index.php/world/36062-hk-health-workers-baulk-at-h1n1-vaccine)

It goes on to say that the British Medical Journal is reporting that 30% of the British nurses interviewed are also planning to decline any H1N1 vaccination.

However, as with any MSM report that bears 'negative reporting'....the article goes to quote some officials who say.....that the believe is that these health care workers are perceiving the vaccine in a negative manner and that this perception will soon change....that is left to be seen ;)

kwchang
26-08-2009, 10:32 PM
....that the believe is that these health care workers are perceiving the vaccine in a negative manner... As what I posted at #5 in this thread, the way the media reported the news made a lot of people believe that the vaccine will be dangerous. I know of the 30% decline by the British nurses and now more people are declining as well.

By the way, apparently in some countries, the patient need to sign a consent form before getting any seasonal influenza vaccination - this is to absolve the doctor or organization of any liability arising from the vaccination. An example is here (http://www.lpcuwc.edu.hk/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/influenzaform.pdf) from a HongKong college.

There is a form (http://www.immunize.org/catg.d/p4068.pdf) for the heathcare workers who wish NOT to get any influenza vaccine. It is found in a website (http://www.immunize.org/) which deals with vaccination information for healthcare professionals - do find time to visit the website - it is an incredible information base on vaccinations.

ksj_cool
27-08-2009, 12:41 PM
http://www.themalaysianinsider.com/index.php/world/35482-china-firm-announces-first-safe-h1n1-vaccine

kuma
29-08-2009, 01:28 AM
In a Poll currently being run on US based Fox News the majority of respondents think that the swine flu vaccine is deadlier than the actual virus itself.

Of the 20000 or so responders, 50% felt is was more dangerous to take the vaccine.

Anyway, in a counter effort, MSM officials are getting ready to counter this and ensure the people that they should reject “conspiracy theories” about the vaccine’s safety. :confused:

MSNBC News Team & CMO Discuss The Vaccine
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Here is the Fox News Poll. Vote (http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2009/08/26/think-greater-risk/?test=latestnews)

Another recent Poll, over in the UK, conducted by Pulse Magazine & GP Magazine is showing that 50% and 60% [respectively for the 2 polls] of GP's surveyed said they did not intend to receive the jab.

Looks like this vaccine which is being rushed through to meet the coming winter is not being readily by many.
Pulse Today (http://www.pulsetoday.co.uk/story.asp?sectioncode=35&storycode=4123491&c=2#)
Healthcare Republic (http://www.healthcarerepublic.com//news/index.cfm?fuseaction=HCR.News.GP.LatestNews.Articl e&nNewsID=928737&sHashCode=#AddComment)

ksj_cool
29-08-2009, 10:08 AM
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601202&sid=aI0E9QD5wgGc

tsela
30-08-2009, 01:14 AM
Tamiflu = extract of Star Anise 八角 , Licorice 甘草 . Add on to your daily cooking should help.

Since today's "conventional" medicine has already been dominated by modern western medicine, those traditional ones have long been belittled as pseudo-science... :oPondered over your expression a little while. Apparently, Tamiflu’s secret ingredient is extracted from the common Chinese spice Star Anise 八角. Tamiflu is manufactured starting with shikimic acid that is either extracted from star anise or a special strain of E. Coli bacteria in it’s fermentation process. Professor Elias James Corey of Harvard University, Nobel Prize winner for Chemistry in 1990 worked on the synthesis of Tamiflu.

Further reading:
http://www.chm.bris.ac.uk/motm/tamiflu/synthesis.htm
http://health.howstuffworks.com/health-illness/treatment/medicine/medications/tamiflu1.htm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/4978634.stm