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Sentinel
15-08-2009, 03:43 PM
This is something the superbikers have been damn pissed for the pass 2 decades... the import duty on motorcycles above 500 c.c.

Just to show you a quick example, the attached is a video on the Harley Davidson Fat Boy which is priced OTR at USD15,999 (RM56,000). In Malaysia, the list price, without insurance or road tax is already RM140,000... how much longer is the government going to tax the bikers?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=19eMvBd2SfY&feature=related

The road tax for a bike above 500 cc is RM400 per annum. This is more than what most cars on Malaysian road pay.

Why is there a discrimination against superbikers?

Maybe there is a need to find out where Pakatan Rakyat stand regarding import duty and AP on superbikes before the next GE13? :mad:

Naka
15-08-2009, 04:16 PM
For comparison, how much is this 50cc Honda cub (? spelling) or other types cost?

Sentinel
15-08-2009, 06:48 PM
For comparison, how much is this 50cc Honda cub (? spelling) or other types cost?A Honda Cub now comes in 105 cc engine ie the Honda Ex5 which is around RM7,000.

But you cannot compare a Honda Cub to a Fat Boy (1500 cc V-Twin) or a Honda Gold Wing (6-cylinder 1800cc - better than a Civic engine which is only 4 cylinder).

Sentinel
15-08-2009, 10:05 PM
This is the Yamaha Tmax - a 500cc scooter -and it would have been the perfect transport to and back from work but because of the taxes... it is priced at RM65,000....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pA4_aqxpAFw

Imagine a scooter at RM65,000? The government is crazy!

Having said that, it is one of the best-designed scooters coz its engine is located right under your front seat thus better C-G and handling, it handles like a sportsbike instead of a scooter. Most scooters have their engine around the back wheel thus there is shift of gravity to the back....

Naka
16-08-2009, 10:50 AM
This is the Yamaha Tmax - a 500cc scooter -and it would have been the perfect transport to and back from work but because of the taxes... it is priced at RM65,000....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pA4_aqxpAFw

Imagine a scooter at RM65,000? The government is crazy!

Having said that, it is one of the best-designed scooters coz its engine is located right under your front seat thus better C-G and handling, it handles like a sportsbike instead of a scooter. Most scooters have their engine around the back wheel thus there is shift of gravity to the back....


Thanks for the figures.

Wah, a scooter costs RM$65,000.00 ---unbelievable. :eek: :eek:

Imagine for this amount, you can easily get any of Honda Civic, Toyota Corrolla or Nissan Pulsa etc saloon car + auto + power steering + OTR.

In Boleh, I do not think any successive Gomen care to reduce such taxes for vehicles simply because it will damage their own budgets.

bslee
16-08-2009, 11:16 AM
Anyone would have to be seriously wealthy or money no object here, to own a desirable auto product. Ok ok...perhaps many may think they still able to fork out but bear in mind they'll end up with little savings in future. There's NO two ways about it. I mean if someone can own a luxury car but then periodically nag about its bad fuel consumption is entirely out of context. This is how life goes on in this land and I don't see it as its going to be any easier. Its very apparent and clear the gahmen thrives on heavy taxes all the while and the rakyat are cornered to endure it all till kingdom come. These are facts, and for a better quality life, one just have to seek a greener pasture elsewhere if able.

Sentinel
16-08-2009, 12:32 PM
Thanks for the figures.

Wah, a scooter costs RM$65,000.00 ---unbelievable. :eek: :eek:

Imagine for this amount, you can easily get any of Honda Civic, Toyota Corrolla or Nissan Pulsa etc saloon car + auto + power steering + OTR.

In Boleh, I do not think any successive Gomen care to reduce such taxes for vehicles simply because it will damage their own budgets.Do you believe that this same scooter cost only S$11,000 OTR in Singapore? Thats only RM27,000... can you now imagine how this government is taxing everything to fund its super-inefficient and wasteful projects? This scooter would be a nice commode in and out of KL from Subang, don't cha think?

Sentinel
16-08-2009, 12:34 PM
Anyone would have to be seriously wealthy or money no object here, to own a desirable auto product. Ok ok...perhaps many may think they still able to fork out but bear in mind they'll end up with little savings in future. There's NO two ways about it. I mean if someone can own a luxury car but then periodically nag about its bad fuel consumption is entirely out of context. This is how life goes on in this land and I don't see it as its going to be any easier. Its very apparent and clear the gahmen thrives on heavy taxes all the while and the rakyat are cornered to endure it all till kingdom come. These are facts, and for a better quality life, one just have to seek a greener pasture elsewhere if able.BS, we cannot blame (and we cannot stop) people who believe that blowing themselves up with bombs will ensure them a place in heaven with 7 virgins waiting for them in paradise, can we?

Naka
16-08-2009, 12:57 PM
Do you believe that this same scooter cost only S$11,000 OTR in Singapore? Thats only RM27,000... can you now imagine how this government is taxing everything to fund its super-inefficient and wasteful projects? This scooter would be a nice commode in and out of KL from Subang, don't cha think?


Well, I am not sure of the price in Singapore but you said $S$11,000.00 & I believe you.....But you said 'Thats only RM27,000'----making it to sound sooooo cheap. :D---i dun think i can afford it.

I guess the same scooter costs abt A$8,000.00

Yes, agree with you that this scooter is a quick way out of the jams in around KL. But you can also use other cheaper motor cycles.

The elected Gomen needs more n more $$$ to fund projects.

There must be a lot of willing buyers of such scooters---plenty of rich peoples in Boleh

tupai
16-08-2009, 07:30 PM
The elected Gomen needs more n more $$$ to fund projects.

There must be a lot of willing buyers of such scooters---plenty of rich peoples in Boleh

These willing buyers contributing their hard earned moolah in vehicle sales/excise/import etc tax to the gomen are... mostly from the tin-canners! :eek: (so it best the poor sod-tincanners go fight for their rights!)

There are more than 6millions registered motorcycles but just a tad under 10,000 units for bikes above 500cc.

Tough as it may be, for the big bikeowners (if u need to know the bike price [safe to calculate as RM100 per c.c.], worry about monthly loan, sweat over roadtax&insurance, cry over 5k km services, Rm300-1000 PER tyre DLL, then Big Bike aint for u lah... But then again, the blur-image of the price tag for an engulfing passion, driven by 2wheels is itself a self-funding 100% pure ecstasy, for many a Big Biker :D

C' on...at what price is pleasure? :D

Yang Berminat Moto Beso latotupai :)

Sentinel
16-08-2009, 09:04 PM
Nothing really beat the feelin' of riding on a bike and cruisin' down the road....

Best description I heard about biking was from Yasmin Yusof... 15 years younger and less wrinkled then... when she announced the auction for a Harley Davidson Heritage Softail "Nolstalgia" model - the one that was built to commemorate Harley's 75th anniversary - she said "Ohhh... its been a long time since I have something big and black between my legs..."

Naka
16-08-2009, 09:13 PM
These willing buyers contributing their hard earned moolah in vehicle sales/excise/import etc tax to the gomen are... mostly from the tin-canners! :eek: (so it best the poor sod-tincanners go fight for their rights!)

There are more than 6millions registered motorcycles but just a tad under 10,000 units for bikes above 500cc.

Tough as it may be, for the big bikeowners (if u need to know the bike price [safe to calculate as RM100 per c.c.], worry about monthly loan, sweat over roadtax&insurance, cry over 5k km services, Rm300-1000 PER tyre DLL, then Big Bike aint for u lah... But then again, the blur-image of the price tag for an engulfing passion, driven by 2wheels is itself a self-funding 100% pure ecstasy, for many a Big Biker :D

C' on...at what price is pleasure? :D

Yang Berminat Moto Beso latotupai :)

The poor sod-tincanners better stick to bicycles & honda cubs, & for the other 0.17% -anything goes. :D :D ---sap sap shui to them lah. :rolleyes:

gtl
17-08-2009, 07:57 AM
man..........you guys makes me want to get a big bike asap!

tupai
17-08-2009, 02:11 PM
man..........you guys makes me want to get a big bike asap!
Big Bike in spore is ponly 1/3 price of that in bolehland! :eek:

Go git! & let's RIDE!!!!!!!!!!!!


Yang Belum ada Spore bike latotupai :(

bslee
17-08-2009, 02:33 PM
Big Bike in spore is ponly 1/3 price of that in bolehland! :eek:
Go git! & let's RIDE!!!!!!!!!!!!


You sure you're offering a logical solution to anyone who's wanting to own a big bike ah? If it is...kindly spell out to me the pros and cons..I'm still virgin to this and may consider lah..

tupai
17-08-2009, 02:40 PM
You sure you're offering a logical solution to anyone who's wanting to own a big bike ah? If it is...kindly spell out to me the pros and cons..I'm still virgin to this and may consider lah..

No every1 lah bro...Only for those who currently hold Spore riding license and have a spore address, can then buy a spore registered bike.
Those who dont have usu. used their friends or relatives (with big bike license thus qualify for insurance) and then registered themselves as a second rider...BUT the laws in bolehland does not allow msian (without spore lesen) to ride a spore plated vehicle.

Many msian bikers took the risk: complications can set in an accident or an 'official' pdrm/jpj road block...

I have relatives in Spore but none holds a riding lesen...sedih tapi benar.

Yang Bo spore moto leh latotupai :(

Sentinel
17-08-2009, 06:41 PM
No every1 lah bro...Only for those who currently hold Spore riding license and have a spore address, can then buy a spore registered bike.
Those who dont have usu. used their friends or relatives (with big bike license thus qualify for insurance) and then registered themselves as a second rider...BUT the laws in bolehland does not allow msian (without spore lesen) to ride a spore plated vehicle.

Many msian bikers took the risk: complications can set in an accident or an 'official' pdrm/jpj road block...

I have relatives in Spore but none holds a riding lesen...sedih tapi benar.

Yang Bo spore moto leh latotupai :(

SSShhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.....!

PJS
18-08-2009, 02:55 AM
There are also Thai registered superbikes selling for a song in Bolehland but similar ownership condition applies. There are some takers too, even if the bike is registered to a total stranger in Thailand with the registration papers, and the buyer only 'own' the bike this side of the border, without the official ownership papers, some buyers are still willing to take a risk. At least that's what I understand, correct me if I'm wrong :o

tupai
18-08-2009, 12:34 PM
There are also Thai registered superbikes selling for a song in Bolehland but similar ownership condition applies. There are some takers too, even if the bike is registered to a total stranger in Thailand with the registration papers, and the buyer only 'own' the bike this side of the border, without the official ownership papers, some buyers are still willing to take a risk. At least that's what I understand, correct me if I'm wrong :o

Thai bikes going for a song are usu without the proper 'Green Papers'. The cheap bikes are mostly 'dropped of the back of the aeroplanes' from japan...and the heat from the jap gomen and jap interpol had recently forced the thai police to unlease a flurry of roadblocks in chiangmai, chiangrai, pataya, bangkok.
Big bikes without the proper proof of ownership, will be instantly confiscated and brought to the balai...I suspect they will also move down south to Ko Samui, Phuket and even hatyai pretty soon.

Those malaysian bikers with thai reg bikes are running a risk of having the bikes (mostly reg under the workshop name) confiscated with no recourse!

How can any m'sian spend up to 1 week in LOS to run around getting the 'proper' papers or to have a 3rd party to 'buy' your own bike outta the balai??? :eek:

Plus imagine the monthly motosai visa run for the permit....hassles to some but excuse to ride up north! hahahahaha!

Yang Beli moto disini latotupai

bugbear
18-08-2009, 01:52 PM
I don't want to talk about big bike which is a luxury item but it is the car that is also expensive. The government is only interested in earning tax on car big time and have no other mean of getting tax from elsewhere.

bslee
18-08-2009, 02:05 PM
The government is only interested in earning tax on car big time

EXACTLY! Include raking in tenders for preffered numbers. Its legit daylight ROBBERY to say the least, but people are WILLING TO PAY...or an avenue for personal gain. There's NO indication there's going to be change in the near future. We have a regime that preaches to all they care for you all, but factually they can NEVER live up to it.....PERIOD! Sorry folks but nearly EVERYTHING have to do with the regime here.

tupai
18-08-2009, 02:06 PM
I don't want to talk about big bike which is a luxury item but it is the car that is also expensive. The government is only interested in earning tax on car big time and have no other mean of getting tax from elsewhere.

...so any bright idea on how to bring the price down? Boycott new car? drive the current tin-can till it kaput to pieces? Talk to the MP to raise the high tax in the rumah ogos? migrate to another country where the tin-can is cheaper? go live 2-5yrs in wherever and then come home with an AP for a new tincan?How? how? *think*think*?

Yang Blur dunno how latotupai :o

Sentinel
18-08-2009, 02:18 PM
The root of the whole problem, as I indicated in an earlier post in this thread, is the inefficient management of the country's treasury, high wastage and the leakages (read : corruption).

When an economic system is flushed with these three main problems, the country needs more money just to keep the economy running.

Thus, not only Malaysians are paying higher prices of automobiles and motorcycles (thru higher taxes and duties), but also many other imported goods... even basic stuff like imported conserves (fruit jams lah...) made from good quality fruits with no sugar added... or any other items.

Malaysians are paying high prices to support an inefficient economy with high wastage and leakages to the system.

Its only a matter of time, if productivity do not catch up, that this country will go down to the longkang... just like our brethrens in Phillipines (under Marcos and Estrada)! and previous Indonesia under Suhartoe, Habibie, Gus Dur and Megawati....

bslee
18-08-2009, 03:02 PM
...so any bright idea on how to bring the price down? Boycott new car? drive the current tin-can till it kaput to pieces?

Its remotely possible actually but the rakyat have to cooperate entirely to achieve some result. I say again "some result".
Everyone DON'T buy new car or bike for 2-3 years. Use and maintain whatever you have. Let the industry go to a temporary standstill. Let the regime panic.

Cool it bro Sentinel... I see Chang trying to sifting through the stack to find a ripe banana... or that iron bar to pull down the roller shutter. :p :p
(as much as I agree with you entirely :) ).

tupai
18-08-2009, 03:31 PM
no logic for Mod to tutup kedai here lah.

Sentinel is drawing parallel to the mismanaged macroeconomics of a reversed Keynesianism :p

So just bcos the gomen plays the main villian-actor, doesnt mean this is a political discourse lah. :D

Yang Berlakon latotupai :p

p/s I hv repeatedly boycotted the tin-canner industry for past 10yrs...company purchase aside lah :p

Sentinel
18-08-2009, 03:44 PM
Its remotely possible actually but the rakyat have to cooperate entirely to achieve some result. I say again "some result".
Everyone DON'T buy new car or bike for 2-3 years. Use and maintain whatever you have. Let the industry go to a temporary standstill. Let the regime panic.

Cool it bro Sentinel... I see Chang trying to sifting through the stack to find a ripe banana... or that iron bar to pull down the roller shutter. :p :p
(as much as I agree with you entirely :) ).
If I cannot even offer my 2 sens on the state of the country's macroeconomics situation, then whats the point of having a community forum? What can we discuss about then? We can't be talking about prices of durian and cholesterol and what have you, right?

I think just today alone at least 3-4 threads were closed on the reason of the thread being "political"...

zinglicious
18-08-2009, 03:55 PM
Sentinel,saya sokonglah. even a joke turns political bashing kena lokap. (Though no names was mentioned and even then it was spontenously written with no malicious intent as it goes with the flow of the topic.)
Luckily, got no banana for desserts.

bugbear
18-08-2009, 04:01 PM
Let not give kwchang the slightest chance to close down this thread too. I have stop buying car for a long time now. I was hoping that all of us here will do the same. We must shoe them who is the power here. If we always dance to their tune then it is no good. They will find more ways to kill us.

Naka
18-08-2009, 04:04 PM
You ppl are lucky, cos' your personal income tax is low.

Maybe your super-bikes will be cheaper if the Gomen increases your Income Tax.

Which do you want? :rolleyes:

bslee
18-08-2009, 04:10 PM
no logic for Mod to tutup kedai here lah.
Sentinel is drawing parallel to the mismanaged macroeconomics of a reversed Keynesianism :p


Agreed entirely BUT got lah!... when we talk too much, you know what I mean. We JUST CANNOT talk. Errr ...write too much here. :rolleyes:


You ppl are lucky, cos' your personal income tax is low.


Kawan, please don't confuse that taxation policy like a liver complaint with a stomach ache.

tupai
18-08-2009, 04:20 PM
You ppl are lucky, cos' your personal income tax is low.

Maybe your super-bikes will be cheaper if the Gomen increases your Income Tax.

Which do you want? :rolleyes:

lucky my derrier! U gotta be bloody KIDDING! 28% is LOW??? Dont tell me u work in scandinavia or UK...even if u did, the tincans there are sooooooo cheap! A dine for a quarter dozen actually!

Yang Bayar too MUCH bleeding cukai latotupai
:mad:

Sentinel
18-08-2009, 04:33 PM
You ppl are lucky, cos' your personal income tax is low.

Maybe your super-bikes will be cheaper if the Gomen increases your Income Tax.

Which do you want? :rolleyes:
Go do your homework first lah, my friend. 28% maximum top bracket is one of the highest in the world my man! Even the little red dot down south, with no natural resources to depend on, is at 23% max... and if you look at their benefits and deductions for tax reliefs, you will flip!

I have worked in Malaysia, Singapore and China in the last 5 years and China is worst at 35% but then that country has to pay dole to some 1 million PLA army buggers who are jobless, to create a full employment communist system....

umadavid
18-08-2009, 04:35 PM
You ppl are lucky, cos' your personal income tax is low.

Maybe your super-bikes will be cheaper if the Gomen increases your Income Tax.

Which do you want? :rolleyes:
And what makes you think that we people are lucky cos our personal income tax is low :confused: "We people" got tell you ah?

bslee
18-08-2009, 05:40 PM
Not to sidetrack, but just heard the TV news, they announced they're seriously studying the implementation of GST to increase revenue BUT yadadaydaydayada.......the obvious excuses lah...
So there you have it. Buy a bike or car...GST?.. Just have to be wealthier to afford the good things in life here in Malaysia...How else?..
Everyone DON'T buy or change car or bike for next few years..USE what you have.

bugbear
19-08-2009, 08:45 AM
Not to sidetrack, but just heard the TV news, they announced they're seriously studying the implementation of GST to increase revenue BUT yadadaydaydayada.......the obvious excuses lah...
So there you have it. Buy a bike or car...GST?.. Just have to be wealthier to afford the good things in life here in Malaysia...How else?..
Everyone DON'T buy or change car or bike for next few years..USE what you have.
I think car or motorbike is not a luxury item unless for those over say RM150,000. Otherwise, a car is essential especially when the public transport is not up to scratch. To me what the government is doing is akin to flogging a dead horse. We are the horse just if you know what I mean. :(