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silver_bird
09-08-2009, 11:32 AM
Deputy Minister & Umno Youth Exco, Mukhriz Mahathir : "No need for Malaysians to state their race in most official forms and documents"

# It's OK to state if it's for special privileges of Bumiputras, while other forms are not necessary

# Columns for race should be removed

# This proposal is in line with 1Malaysia concept

http://thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2009/8/9/nation/4486522&sec=nation

Is the above proposal for real?
How about casting a vote in next Parliament sitting?
PM Najib & BN component parties should discuss this proposal if the Govt truly wish to uphold 1Malaysia concept.

kuma
09-08-2009, 12:26 PM
Does it make a Difference?....Your Name says it all!

Here's A Simple Quiz. See if you are challenged answering them.

Name................................ Race .........................Religion
Tan Ah Kow
Samad bin Ahmad
Arumugam Vadivelu
Joan Rozario
Tuan anak Bong
:D

weitatt
09-08-2009, 01:37 PM
This is as discriminatory as Official Id's in India having to indicate 'caste'

praetor
09-08-2009, 02:08 PM
Does it make a Difference?....Your Name says it all!

Kuma, what is important is that we don't see that column in official forms. It is a small but very symbolic step for us Malaysians. For instance in the U.S., if you are required to put whether you are of Hispanic or African-American descent, the Affirmative Action group will crucify the agency in the media. On the other hand in Malaysia, it is business as usual if you put your racial affiliation in official forms.

What we NEED is for us to set aside that little column that has differentiated us. Why do we need that column? I know a Kumarendran who is obviously an Indian, I know a Izruul who is obviously a Malay but we don't need a column to tell me what race I am.

Peace.

mykern
09-08-2009, 02:26 PM
Recently, it was confirmed that if a Malaysian of Chinese decent embraces Islam, he/she does not have to change his/her name, but now practices the customs of Islam and of "Malays" as per Art 160 of the Fed Consti.
What then?

USJ27Resident
09-08-2009, 03:53 PM
Does it make a Difference?....Your Name says it all!

Here's A Simple Quiz. See if you are challenged answering them.

Name................................ Race .........................Religion
Tan Ah Kow
Samad bin Ahmad
Arumugam Vadivelu
Joan Rozario
Tuan anak Bong
:D

Not necessarily... the headache comes if you are from sarawak...
one fine example: Idris bin Jala... :p
Remember the big hooooooooo-ha that came about, when the blokes found out he was a christian... (totally :confused:)
... as I see, the blokes in BN will always harp on this race/religion issue to/for their bloody benefits... and people in Berita Harian and Utusan will always print racial/seditious material & opinions with impunity, for those blokes in BN... :rolleyes:

tupai
09-08-2009, 04:00 PM
with the exception of whats required by the law (racist-slanted or otherwise)...i never put down race in the private sector form. Banks, private hospital or whatever or whoseever's form which have this .... is ignored by me, but at times, I will write down malaysian :)

My nick is tupai.. :) whats my race? :p

Yang Bangsa Binatang Berbisa latotupai :p

AaronOng
09-08-2009, 05:38 PM
with the exception of whats required by the law (racist-slanted or otherwise)...i never put down race in the private sector form. Banks, private hospital or whatever or whoseever's form which have this .... is ignored by me, but at times, I will write down malaysian :)

My nick is tupai.. :) whats my race? :p

Yang Bangsa Binatang Berbisa latotupai :p


Same goes for me.

AllUrban
10-08-2009, 11:11 AM
hehehe a taxi driver in New York was robbed in 1994.

the newspapers reported that his name was (iirc) Michael Goldberg

Race, religion, anyone?

Cheers, m

Sentinel
10-08-2009, 12:05 PM
hehehe a taxi driver in New York was robbed in 1994.

the newspapers reported that his name was (iirc) Michael Goldberg

Race, religion, anyone?

Cheers, mReminds me of a winning short story in a women's magazine some years back when I used to read whatever magazines wifey bought.

A pair of parents (in Malaysia) were so excited because the daughter had befriended a foreigner university colleague Michael Le Blanc and bringing him home to meet Mum & Dad.

The parents were so proud and told every single friend and relatives and threw a welcome home party.

On the day when the daughter brought him home, Michael Le Blanc (Blanc is white! as in Mont Blanc) turned out to be an African from Liberia, once under the French colonial government rule.

AaronOng
10-08-2009, 01:05 PM
LOL! If one day my grown up son brings back a gf by the name of Jeanne Le Blanc, gotta check too. Not that I'm against a relationship with another race but I'll let him choose who he is going to marry.

1st time I heard the name Paula Abdul I thot must be a local Muslim mat salleh celup!

bzxiao
10-08-2009, 01:10 PM
LOL!
1st time I heard the name Paula Abdul I thot must be a local Muslim mat salleh celup!

Yes. Her father is a Bruneian local and mother Ang Mo!

AaronOng
10-08-2009, 01:31 PM
Nolah. That's Paula Taylor lah. Here I'm taking about the Paula Abdul of American Idol fame.

bzxiao
10-08-2009, 01:40 PM
Nolah. That's Paula Taylor lah. Here I'm taking about the Paula Abdul of American Idol fame.

Sorry,sorry. I got mixed up. I was thinking of the Paula Malai Ali.

AllUrban
10-08-2009, 01:44 PM
LOL! If one day my grown up son brings back a gf by the name of Jeanne Le Blanc, gotta check too. Not that I'm against a relationship with another race but I'll let him choose who he is going to marry.

1st time I heard the name Paula Abdul I thot must be a local Muslim mat salleh celup!hahahah what if her name were, say, Jean Danker?

hahaha like Aaron Aziz, Norman Hakim (ok, he's not a mix but that's his stage name), Paula Malai Ali, Cheryl Samad, and others.....


Yes. Her father is a Bruneian local and mother Ang Mo!I thought Paula Abdul's family was from the middle east but maybe Im wrong.

Cheers, m

p.s. Michael Goldberg's story is here (http://www.nytimes.com/2004/02/09/nyregion/livery-driver-is-wounded-in-a-shooting.html).

AaronOng
10-08-2009, 02:05 PM
Sorry,sorry. I got mixed up. I was thinking of the Paula Malai Ali.


Oh yeah.... soli soli soli. I also got the names mixed up. Its Paula Malai Ali, not Paula Taylor. Silly me!

AaronOng
10-08-2009, 02:12 PM
hahahah what if her name were, say, Jean Danker?

hahaha like Aaron Aziz, Norman Hakim (ok, he's not a mix but that's his stage name), Paula Malai Ali, Cheryl Samad, and others.....

I thought Paula Abdul's family was from the middle east but maybe Im wrong.

Cheers, m

p.s. Michael Goldberg's story is here (http://www.nytimes.com/2004/02/09/nyregion/livery-driver-is-wounded-in-a-shooting.html).


Yeahhhh... these names would be tough if not for the fact they are celebs. In another forum, a mat salleh in europe wanted to find out about the race of a malaysian girl he met but was too shy to ask because

1. he might be branded a racist
2. it is illegal to ask for the race in his country
3. the girl might be offended.

Fancy that!

Going back to the title of the thread, its is rare but good move by the government. We all have to start somewhere to end this racial bs.

Lets see if the powers to be really implement this soon. I hope its not gonna be another empty air like most of the bs that they blab.

tupai
10-08-2009, 03:12 PM
my xcolleague has a kinda scottish name...maximillus leopold ritchie. when he was a Ustudent in New orleans, he went for a purser job interview on the ferriswheel cruise boat...the HR director being a scot himself hollared "You ain't no laddie! U a china man!"
:eek:
I 4gotten the rest of the story....

then i have a biker brudder who curses like any old seasalt, drinks single maltwhisky like a whale, rich like hell but owes a wallet load of ccards to the max, rides like a madman even in his sarong and has a name like Yusoff Carl bin Suleiman...and he ain;t no bumiputra! Confuse the hell outta the authorities in many a nite club raid :D :D

Yang Berlumba haram latotupai :p

AaronOng
10-08-2009, 03:52 PM
Used to have a customer from the middle east. His name starts with Mohamed....

So I naturally assume he's a muslim and proceeded to take him for makan at halal places. There was a chicken and char siew rice next few doors down from the mamak shop and instead he led me to the chinese stall and had char siew rice for lunch!

He's muslim all right, but only in name. Haven't been to the mosque since he was a kid.

Richard Poh
10-08-2009, 04:26 PM
Just curious ,anybody new how rich is he ?

shthang
10-08-2009, 05:05 PM
I never trust the political rhetorics made by BN politikus. Today one BN stalwart can say something visionary about 1 Malaysia that appealing and saleable to all races. Ironically the same fella will make a U turn tomorrow and utters race slanted comments to flame hatred against the other races. Our bolehsia politikus are playing with fire everyday and pushing the country to a breaking point. Sigh...........

I am not optimistic that i can witness the real 1 Malaysia happening within my lifetime...can't i? sob...sob.....Perhaps my children or grandchildren cud see the change. no?

AaronOng
10-08-2009, 05:06 PM
Just curious ,anybody new how rich is he ?

Huh?? How rich is who???

USJ27Resident
11-08-2009, 02:02 AM
I am not optimistic that i can witness the real 1 Malaysia happening within my lifetime...can't i? sob...sob.....Perhaps my children or grandchildren cud see the change. no?

YUp... cud and shud be possible... once all the current bunch of idiots, kicks the BIG blue bucket.... :D

bslee
11-08-2009, 03:12 AM
Lets get real lah... THERE'S NO CONCRETE PLAN nor IMMEDIATE URGENCY nor POSITIVE and PROACTIVE ACTION for every single and legal rakyat Malaysia to be classified as MALAYSIAN. It'll still be Cina, India, Melayu, Sikh, Lain Lain (as far as Semenanjung Malaysia is concerned). 52 years of Independence have passed and nothings really changed... so? Race or ethinicity is still very apparent in birth certificate even this very minute... Whether it remains some idea or dream, it'll always remain "an idea" or "just another dream".
I've already given up!...long ago. (can you see me shaking my head????)

Sugarfree
11-08-2009, 08:18 AM
LOL! If one day my grown up son brings back a gf by the name of Jeanne Le Blanc, gotta check too. Not that I'm against a relationship with another race but I'll let him choose who he is going to marry.gotta check too? check what ah?:p :D

Sugarfree
11-08-2009, 08:22 AM
Used to have a customer from the middle east. His name starts with Mohamed. So I naturally assume he's a muslim and proceeded to take him for makan at halal places. There was a chicken and char siew rice next few doors down from the mamak shop and instead he led me to the chinese stall and had char siew rice for lunch! He's muslim all right, but only in name.'sek tak ng hoe sai' (chinese saying, 'eat whatever that's edible, don't waste') must be his motto then. :p

mWong
11-08-2009, 10:43 AM
Going back to the title of the thread, its is rare but good move by the government. We all have to start somewhere to end this racial bs.

Lets see if the powers to be really implement this soon. I hope its not gonna be another empty air like most of the bs that they blab.

I always find the phrase "the right hand does not know what's the left hand doing" so applicable for Government run agencies.

Mukhriz may have issued that statement but is he representing the Government's stand on this or is he issuing it so he, as a politician, can be popular?

I will only believe it when I see a form that does not need you to state race or religion in my next dealing with any government agency. I just have no more trust in what any politician says until I see concrete proof.

bslee
11-08-2009, 10:54 AM
I just have no more trust in what any politician says until I see concrete proof.

You, I and a minority don't trust. Thats fact. Only when one is suddenly drawn or ponders deeply analyzing the issue at hand.
Politicians make all sorts of comments, statements every now and then, true or nor, BUT believe this...."Malaysia mudah lupa". Its back to square one at the end of the day...nothings much changed.

Richard Poh
11-08-2009, 10:58 AM
Just curious ,anybody new how rich is he ?
Mukhriz Mahathir

tsd
11-08-2009, 11:05 AM
Used to have a customer from the middle east. His name starts with Mohamed....

So I naturally assume he's a muslim and proceeded to take him for makan at halal places. There was a chicken and char siew rice next few doors down from the mamak shop and instead he led me to the chinese stall and had char siew rice for lunch!

He's muslim all right, but only in name. Haven't been to the mosque since he was a kid.

hahaha... that reminds me last time when we have a visitor from Iraq with a muslim sounded name... and it was Friday. Our malay friend bring him along with them during lunch hour to the mosque. Poor fellow, they did not ask, he is actually a Chrisitian... he ends up waiting outside the mosque.

AllUrban
11-08-2009, 11:44 AM
hahaha... that reminds me last time when we have a visitor from Iraq with a muslim sounded name... and it was Friday. Our malay friend bring him along with them during lunch hour to the mosque. Poor fellow, they did not ask, he is actually a Chrisitian... he ends up waiting outside the mosque.lots of arabs are christian, some follow judaism. Many pakistanis and indians are christian too.

And yet people assume that an arab name = muslim name just as some presume that malay = muslims and non - malay = non-muslim.

Wifey's sister was once asked by her daughter about my religion and race ... and sister said "malay ... er.. actually, I dunno ... but muslim lah"

Cheers, m

bslee
11-08-2009, 11:53 AM
Hey people, enlighten me the local cantonese translation of the word Islam.
I've heard it too often as "malai kau".. isn't it?.. which I'd translate directly as "Malay religion or belief". True or not?..and why or I see it as obvious local logic?

cml
11-08-2009, 12:03 PM
Its wui kau, which I think is correct.

tupai
11-08-2009, 02:57 PM
Yes BS, u r rite.

and its Huan-Nah Kau in hokkien... the parents' 'fear' was always having the children esp the females to 'jip huan'...which i dont understand. :confused: :confused:

Yang Beh jip Huan Latotupai :p

AllUrban
11-08-2009, 06:29 PM
Yes BS, u r rite.

and its Huan-Nah Kau in hokkien... the parents' 'fear' was always having the children esp the females to 'jip huan'...which i dont understand. :confused: :confused:

Yang Beh jip Huan Latotupai :pthe fear or the jip huan?

The fear is very real - product of more misunderstandings.

I recall repeating this to wifey's family on many occasions:

"No, she does not have to become Muslim and no, she does not have to change her name. Except in Malaysia. But I am from Canada* "

*I could have also said Indonesia and the same would apply

Cheers, m

robertec
12-08-2009, 10:21 AM
I hope this is not turning into some religious thread.

AllUrban
12-08-2009, 12:36 PM
I hope this is not turning into some religious thread.Robert, the point is that for many people in Malaysia, race = religion now.

It will be interesting to see how long that will take to change.

Cheers, m

gtl
12-08-2009, 01:30 PM
it is about time we "come together" and celebrate our nation's diversity and embrace it with a good and solid policy to all.
50 years of experiment have failed, there need a change in the method used.
to continue will only mean, we will perish.