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silver_bird
24-07-2009, 09:50 AM
Police expect to complete probe before inquest
http://thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2009/7/24/nation/4378585&sec=nation

Glad to know an Inquest will commence next week

jaysubra
24-07-2009, 10:02 AM
An inquest is a good start but I think we need a 'comprehensive' Royal Comission of Inquiry (RCI) the current RCI announced is too shallow with a limited terms of reference.

Next, the RCI must not be buried like the Lingam RCI, government of the day must follow thru the RCI's recommendations.

Chia Hak Soon
24-07-2009, 02:39 PM
( Admin note - posting removed - emotional comments )

Sentinel
24-07-2009, 02:48 PM
[SIZE=4][FONT=Arial Narrow]I am not disrespecting the death of an individual but for an unbiased discussion, there is ablog which was created just 2 days ago and it tells the other side of the story. I am posting this to share, you make the call and you decide which side you wanna believe. Remember, KWChang is on duty :mad: :

( Admin note - blog link removed )

Raikonen
24-07-2009, 02:56 PM
TBH is a political death. In line with the sanitised nature of the forum, this thread should be locked.

kuma
24-07-2009, 03:01 PM
( Admin note - content removed -)

kwchang
24-07-2009, 03:25 PM
Just in case some of you did not understand my explanation in the other thread Investigation of Teoh Beng Hock's Death (http://www.usj.com.my/bulletin/upload/showthread.php?p=358565#post358565) let me repeat it here ...


Everyday I see a lot of commentators on this thread making their own conclusions to the case and another group of people constantly asking for action to be taken on the suspects.

All the above are not in line with investigations being undertaken. Please note that the authorities are not allowed to make any accusations or summaries to the case until the investigations are completed. If there are reasons for further inquests or a Royal Commission, I believe no unscheduled public announcements of findings will be allowed anyway because it would prejudice the outcome of the highest levels of investigations. In the end, if it moves to public prosecution (court-case), public statements will not be allowed for the same reason of prejudicing the final judgement.

For the sake of justice and for the memory of Teoh and the well-being of his family, we as responsible law-abiding citizens should stop all these public accusations. USJ dot com Forum will not be party to any form of pre-judgement. Let the authorities do their work. If anyone of you have facts to back your comments, you should be volunteering to give evidence to the case ... please do not make unsubstantiated comments based on conjecture and hear-say in this Forum. I cannot do anything if you wish to make your comments elsewhere but NOT in this Forum.

Everyone knows the locations of the alternative media (Jeff's or RajaPetra's blogs for example) - please bookmark them and go read it at your leisure. We will now stop postings of such links for the very reasons I put above.


I shall remove all political, emotional comments and links to other media/blogs

kuma
24-07-2009, 03:46 PM
Just in case some of you did not understand my explanation in the other thread Investigation of Teoh Beng Hock's Death (http://www.usj.com.my/bulletin/upload/showthread.php?p=358565#post358565) let me repeat it here ...



I shall remove all political, emotional comments and links to other media/blogs

OK...KWChang...your're the Mod and we abide...

Just 'double' checking on this....

"Everyone knows the locations of the alternative media (Jeff's or RajaPetra's blogs for example) - please bookmark them and go read it at your leisure. We will now stop postings of such links for the very reasons I put above."

Can you clarify....

Is it like we can't place links to Jeff's or RajaPetra's blogs ONLY, or ALL links, or can only place MSM links [even though their article may be speculative].

Sorry I ask...I'm a bit blur.

Thanks...this will help us be better netizens of USJ Forum.

kwchang
24-07-2009, 04:42 PM
Can you clarify....

Is it like we can't place links to Jeff's or RajaPetra's blogs ONLY, or ALL links, or can only place MSM links [even though their article may be speculative]..
In the spirit of NOT PREJUDICING the inquiries, as I had stated, we should not bring in unsubstantiated commentaries. That is why I aim to remove all opinions from blogs, fora and others in the Forum on the topic of inquiries on Teoh's demise.

<strike>the short answer is NO to ALL LINKs with the exception of links to newspaper announcements on turn of events (remember not to copy-paste as per my stand on Intellectual property rights)</strike> See post #26 for clarification

silver_bird
24-07-2009, 07:34 PM
Fresh twist in Teoh’s death case
http://thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2009/7/24/nation/20090724185402&sec=nation

bobkee
24-07-2009, 07:43 PM
Not very fresh since these allegations actually started surfacing in some known pro-UMNO blogs the day Teoh died.

Some of my less than refined thoughts are shared here:

&raquo; Has The Plot Thickened Or Is Someone Just Thick? (http://www.bobjots.org/2009/07/has-the-plot-thickened-or-is-someone-just-thick/)
&raquo; Ronnie Liu Responds To Corruption Allegations (http://www.bobjots.org/2009/07/ronnie-liu-responds-to-corruption-allegations/)

Better not risk a banana by re-posting them here :D

Oh yeah, Ronnie Liu has also responded to the allegations (I'm still waiting for the text of the rebuttal).

silver_bird
24-07-2009, 07:54 PM
Inquest to probe Teoh Beng Hock's death :
Majistrate Court, Shah Alam
July 29 to Aug 12, 2009

Jey
24-07-2009, 08:26 PM
how to know if this one wont be a linggam's korek, korek, korek! magistrate? :D :eek:

kuma
24-07-2009, 09:22 PM
In the spirit of NOT PREJUDICING the inquiries, as I had stated, we should not bring in unsubstantiated commentaries. That is why I aim to remove all opinions from blogs, fora and others in the Forum on the topic of inquiries on Teoh's demise.

the short answer is NO to ALL LINKs with the exception of links to newspaper announcements on turn of events (remember not to copy-paste as per my stand on Intellectual property rights)

So Now How?....What you mean is that as long as any news that may be Prejudicial to the inquiries, BUT, being quoted in Main Stream Media, as a 'news item' like in the Star now is OK to write about and link too?

Even though a 'Non-MSM' broke the news earlier?

Have I got that right? Good idea would be list the permitted MSM. Like Star OK, Malaysian Insider OK, Malaysia Today - No Way.

I will not re-post the link as Silver_Bird has done the link to the Star at 7.24pm - 'Fresh Twist in Teoh's Death'
This news report by the Star makes inferences to the very same Blog [blog called Truth for Teoh Beng Hock - for link see The Star report ], the link to which my earlier post carried and was summarily deleted.

BTW...no offense is meant or implied to Mod's requirements. Just guidelines, least we get embarrassed with our posts deleted....or the ultimate embarrassment, "goreng pisanged".

Raikonen
24-07-2009, 09:45 PM
So Now How?....What you mean is that as long as any news that may be Prejudicial to the inquiries, BUT, being quoted in Main Stream Media, as a 'news item' like in the Star now is OK to write about and link too?

Even though a 'Non-MSM' broke the news earlier?

Have I got that right? Good idea would be list the permitted MSM. Like Star OK, Malaysian Insider OK, Malaysia Today - No Way.

I will not re-post the link as Silver_Bird has done the link to the Star at 7.24pm - 'Fresh Twist in Teoh's Death'
This news report by the Star makes inferences to the very same Blog [blog called Truth for Teoh Beng Hock - for link see The Star report ], the link to which my earlier post carried and was summarily deleted.

BTW...no offense is meant or implied to Mod's requirements. Just guidelines, least we get embarrassed with our posts deleted....or the ultimate embarrassment, "goreng pisanged".

Why embarassed if yr posts get deleted or u get pisanged by mere mortals?? The very worst is u probably get locked in plantation for a long time lor....

Is good also to learn to toe along the lines of political correct-correct-correctness...this is after all a pro-govt forum ;)

Raikonen
24-07-2009, 09:58 PM
Fresh twist in Teoh’s death case
http://thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2009/7/24/nation/20090724185402&sec=nation

This story about the blog allowed? It's hogwash

Nick Chia
24-07-2009, 10:08 PM
That is to show how powerful these people are, even our own moderator have to monitor this forum closely.However, we must also be informed that certain articles posted and read by all must be verified. Just like the post on the other side of the story, now Ronnie have clarified in T.V. 7.

It make sense that why all these assumptions, it is because we see the impartial action taken by the gomen. I do not see how they can gain the people's trust . There are so many issues like the PKFZ , Lingam, TBH, Toyo.
Even OTK admitted that he is being harrassed.

Finally, as a tax paying ra ayat, is it wrong to discuss and we know that our opinion is monitored and hopefully they can feel the ra ayat's frustration and improve from here.

kuma
24-07-2009, 10:38 PM
Why embarassed if yr posts get deleted or u get pisanged by mere mortals?? The very worst is u probably get locked in plantation for a long time lor....

Is good also to learn to toe along the lines of political correct-correct-correctness...this is after all a pro-govt forum ;)

Rite On Bro!....Embarrassed is something I shouldn't be in this case ya? :D Maybe then when I get fried pisanged for being politically incorrect here, I would the first perhaps. Might even get a Datukship in the Banana Republic :D

Pro-Govt Forum?....I don't think so....Probably a :confused: Forum.....anyway the spin on that Blog is most likely Pro-Govt anyway.

Sentinel
24-07-2009, 10:56 PM
This thread, me think, was to share information on the death of TBH which many forumers are interested. Therefore, to keep abreast, we have news and update and these should be from both sides of the divide, not only links to MSM sites.

I am deeply disappointed that the link I posted above was removed. I just don't understand it Mr Chang. Why other links can be accepted and some cannot?

kuma
24-07-2009, 11:10 PM
This thread, me think, was to share information on the death of TBH which many forumers are interested. Therefore, to keep abreast, we have news and update and these should be from both sides of the divide, not only links to MSM sites.

I am deeply disappointed that the link I posted above was removed. I just don't understand it Mr Chang. Why other links can be accepted and some cannot?

I'm with you here....have already commented about this.

Come to think of it....my earlier post that got completely deleted didn't even carry the link to this controversial Blog.....I just wrote in a 'tongue-in-cheek' manner about how you beat me to post that link by mere minutes...and that I now you had left me no choice but to 'stalk' you [in reference to previous stalking indecent....BTW, lucky you!...I thought only pretty actresses get stalked :D ]

Even that got deleted.

Sentinel
24-07-2009, 11:23 PM
...and that I now you had left me no choice but to 'stalk' you [in reference to previous stalking indecent....BTW, lucky you!...I thought only pretty actresses get stalked :D ]How can you assume I am not pretty? I might not be an actress but what makes you think I am not pretty? Shish... :mad:

silver_bird
24-07-2009, 11:44 PM
A cut on Teoh Beng Hock’s wrist provides another twist to the investigation into his death.
http://thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2009/7/24/nation/20090724212007&sec=nation

kuma
24-07-2009, 11:50 PM
How can you assume I am not pretty? I might not be an actress but what makes you think I am not pretty? Shish... :mad:

Aiya!...Sorry I hurt your feelings :D ...OK, I take your word that you are 'Pretty!'

Lesson here for everyone....Never Assume!....

.....just like how we must never assume that non-MSM news items are a bunch of crap. :D

clfoo
25-07-2009, 01:01 AM
Fresh twist in Teoh’s death case
http://thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2009/7/24/nation/20090724185402&sec=nation

that is quite a funny blog, better script writer needed, now confirm spin doctor at work ... the answer is fundamental, watson, i.e. Ronnie Liu can start spending in Jan 08 even before he won the 8 March election ??

bobkee
25-07-2009, 06:56 AM
I read somewhere that it isn't really power that corrupts but fear that corrupts .. go work it out.

Anyway, since we're in the business of quoting from the mainstream media, here's a piece that might capture the unwelcome interest of some forum'ers:

&raquo; NST: Why they lust for a RCI over Teoh Boon Hock’s death (http://www.nst.com.my/Current_News/NST/articles/20090724191803/Article/index_html) (The article has since modified its title to something less warlike)

kwchang
25-07-2009, 09:46 AM
..this is after all a pro-govt forum ..
This Forum is not run by the Government.

If by pro-govt, you mean pro-BN, then you are wrong. Although "government" is popularly defined as the executive of the directives of the ruling political party, I believe any government organisation should serve the public first regardless of the political party in power. In Selangor and Penang for example, aren't the state governments providing their public services under the PKR?

I am trying to ensure that this Forum is not hijacked for political posturings. It does not matter if events organised by Hannah Yeoh are announced in this Forum. In the past Dato Lee's events were also mentioned here. Regardless of their political slants, the Forum serves the community's interests. Please do not forget this is the community's Forum. By the way, bashing authorities is not a community agenda in my book.

We will therefore not allow anyone in the community to hijack the Forum using unverified views. We have to ensure that rumors and unsubstantiated "news" do not corrupt the Forum. If we did, we will be a vehicle for slander and wrong information.

I take back my statement on allowing newspaper links. My earlier presumption was that these public media ought to be properly vetted for truthful reporting - I had forgotten that some of them also present slanted views. So? what is the next option? No more links? At this point I will take the stand that I will remove links if they are dwelling into controversies and possible unsubstantiated opinions. Failing that, I simply stop all discussions because I cannot have the time to check everything.


as a tax paying ra ayat, is it wrong to discuss and we know that our opinion is monitored and hopefully they can feel the ra ayat's frustration and improve from here. Please remember this is a community forum and not a BLOG - if you feel that by bashing the authorities, you can get them to change their views, then please write your own Blog. Do not hijack this Forum (which is a platform for many other things, not just Teoh's case) for your personal agenda.

Some people feel they are safe hiding behind a nick in a public forum. My job is to prevent this. Apart from keeping this Forum alive and relevant, I hope to educate all about being politically correct, providing substantiated news and maintaining etiquette on the web. There is a lot more but that will be enough said for now...

bugbear
25-07-2009, 10:47 AM
Is good also to learn to toe along the lines of political correct-correct-correctness...this is after all a pro-govt forum ;)
I don't think this site is set up just for its pro-government stance. I believe it is an apolitical site and this has been said by kwchang over and over again. As long as we are writing within the common decorum expected with no foul word or swearing out loud is ok. Let not put kwchang into more grief as he is over work amending all your snafus.

yvonnefoong
25-07-2009, 11:11 AM
That article in The Star is absurd. How can anyone take blog postings as evidence of corruption? I would have brushed it off with a pinch of salt if I had stumbled upon it earlier on.

I just want to know how Teoh died. Whether any corruption had taken place would not justify his death.

bslee
25-07-2009, 11:34 AM
That article in The Star is absurd. How can anyone take blog postings as evidence of corruption? I would have brushed it off with a pinch of salt if I had stumbled upon it earlier on.


Trouble is lots of rakyat don't think laterally. They're so narrow and fast mouthed with the thinking that its all gospel truth. Typical Malaysian mindset...Cheh!

Ade
25-07-2009, 12:50 PM
Fresh twist in Teoh’s death case
http://thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2009/7/24/nation/20090724185402&sec=nation

Mainstream media giving so much coverage to an anonymous blog? What's going on? So many invoices....dated Jan 2008....Ronnie Liu wasn't even voted in....hahaha...this writer must have forgotten to change the dates to Jan 2009....

Sentinel
25-07-2009, 01:07 PM
Mainstream media giving so much coverage to an anonymous blog? What's going on? So many invoices....dated Jan 2008....Ronnie Liu wasn't even voted in....hahaha...this writer must have forgotten to change the dates to Jan 2009....
Ronnie Liu was reported in the blog as ADUN Sg. Pelek, now that is one big boo boo... he is ADUN Pandamaran... want to fake also fake well lah...

Ade
25-07-2009, 06:35 PM
I think these are all propagandas to make sure the masses got hookwinked by not going to too much details...i believe there's still a large percentage of ppl who would believe these crap without investigations and there will be a group who brush off all these without investigations too..

Raikonen
25-07-2009, 07:07 PM
I don't think this site is set up just for its pro-government stance. I believe it is an apolitical site and this has been said by kwchang over and over again. As long as we are writing within the common decorum expected with no foul word or swearing out loud is ok. Let not put kwchang into more grief as he is over work amending all your snafus.

Post 5- this is a political death and should not be discussed in a forum which has stated no politics to be discussed. Be consistent in enforcing the rules then, not at whims and fancy and selective targeting.

Just to add that the mod has done a good job censoring the views on the powers to be...It is good to say just good things about the power to be. A job well done!!!

Fang Su
25-07-2009, 07:09 PM
Trouble is lots of rakyat don't think laterally. They're so narrow and fast mouthed with the thinking that its all gospel truth. Typical Malaysian mindset...Cheh!

Yes. A bush fire starts and burns fast. Never for a moment assume that the vast majority of the readers of news read Malaysiakini, Malaysianinsider and blogs giving balanced news and views. Many still read the so-called main media (whether in print or online). And Star does give a balanced view. It all depends on how one looks at it and especially if one reads without any pre-formed prejudices.

If one argues that Star is pro-BN or pro-MCA, then one has to also come to terms with himself that Malaysiakini is pro-PR. It is just how it is and that is Life, with a capital 'L'.

Fang Su
25-07-2009, 07:18 PM
I think these are all propagandas to make sure the masses got hookwinked by not going to too much details...i believe there's still a large percentage of ppl who would believe these crap without investigations and there will be a group who brush off all these without investigations too..

In all seriousness, one cannot brand what another person reads and believes as crap for he/she can say the same about you. No offence.

:)

Sentinel
26-07-2009, 08:07 PM
Why don't you just tell KWChang you don't like his decision to disallow links for politics and get it over with? If banana, then be it lah....

silver_bird
26-07-2009, 08:41 PM
Why don't you just tell KWChang you don't like his decision to disallow links for politics and get it over with? If banana, then be it lah....

When I was young, my dad told me : 'Son ..., Jangan lawan Towkay".
Upon my insistence, he replied : "Mesti tak boleh menang" !!!

Sentinel
26-07-2009, 08:45 PM
When I was young, my dad told me : 'Son ..., Jangan lawan Towkay".
Upon my insistence, he replied : "Mesti tak boleh menang" !!!I am sure he also taught you about being upfront and sincere than taking small potshots, right? If you think "mesti tak boleh menang", then why are still lawan towkay by doing the other way?

I told told Chang about my disagreement and my disappointment. He made a final decision so I respected it. This is his forum anyway. He made the rules... so if we want to come into his house, we need to obey his house rules, at least most of the time.

kwchang
26-07-2009, 11:23 PM
Silverbird thinks he had found another way to post links to various blogs. I am not amused with his idea because he is in direct violation of a simple request NOT to put up anything on the controversies and let the law take its course. His numerous posts put up while I was offline for the weekend had been removed

I had also said that anyone can read the various famous blogs on their own. Just do not make USJ dot com an accessory to the various opinions which at most times lack any substantiation.

I am not at liberty to check on everything and to verify its autencity or its accuracy. Henceforth, I have decided to bar all such links.

silver_bird
27-07-2009, 08:38 AM
Silverbird thinks he had found another way to post links to various blogs
Dear kwchang,
One must know how to differentiate between 'link' and 'topic' as my posting cautioned forumer to google a topic (not a link) and read privately without discussing controversies in the forum. If you knew a juicy 'carrot' is poisonous, you should not tempt community forumer to pluck & eat it. Oh yes, the 1st & 2nd got chopped-off, but this 3rd carrot got your blessing thru your PM to me. Inorder to justify & be consistence of your action, I hereby suggest that you lock this thread immediately.
Thanks
Silver_bird

kwchang
27-07-2009, 09:12 AM
As requested by SilverBird, who started this thread (and the few previous ones), this thread (and topic) is now locked

Just to clarify, I told Silverbird that such threads are OK provided they follow the caveat I put down in the previous one. However, he himself posted links to blogs here, thus violating my directive ... by the way, keyword search using the same title as a blog is not any different from providing a hyperlink.